Russia Just Invaded Ukraine

[Suppressed Poet]

What? This is absolutely wrong. Zelensky did not attend the summit in Alaska. This summit has zero chance of any success, it was all for show.

What did he do after the summit? Pretty sure he bombed a U.S. factory, or was that before the summit?

So you think it’s wrong Trump met with Putin (and Zelensky separately in this case) to try to be an intermediary and bring this war to an end? Tell me then, what is the path to diplomacy that both parties can agree upon? What would you have done differently, and why did Biden not even attempt to give peace a chance? Are you willing for the US and/or Europe to get into direct conflict with Russia over Ukraine? If not, you do understand that as this protracted war continues Russia will continue to make incremental territorial gains?

[Solkern]

So you think it’s wrong Trump met with Putin (and Zelensky separately in this case) to try to be an intermediary and bring this war to an end? Tell me then, what is the path to diplomacy that both parties can agree upon? What would you have done differently, and why did Biden not even attempt to give peace a chance? Are you willing for the US and/or Europe to get into direct conflict with Russia over Ukraine? If not, you do understand that as this protracted war continues Russia will continue to make incremental territorial gains?

You said Trump brought two warring leaders together.

He did not.

Putin does not want peace, even the Russians know this.
Peace means the end of the war, and the singular thing keeping the Russian economy afloat.
Putin wins, he doesn’t have the money or resources to rebuild Ukraine, and his economy will collapse as well.
It’s just like Afghan, it’s too big and expensive to control.
Putin loses and he dies.
His window for the war actually ending closed years ago.

Putin will keep making incremental gains, and what? At what cost? You do banking, you should know damn well what Putin is doing to the economy can only last so long, eventually it will implode, that’s the only way this war will end.

Putin loses no matter what.

[Suppressed Poet]

Once again, I never said the allies didn’t discuss amongst themselves, other people have stated that the allies negotiated with Germany, which is factually incorrect. The allies never negotiated with Germany, whatsoever.

If you want to call Japan begging for a symbolic person to stay in power as “negotiations” that’s up to you.

And no, the war did not end with “negotiations” to be honest, it ended when Germany accepted the ultimatum. The discussion among allies, led to the end of the war, but so did D-day.

If Germany was a part of the discussions(negotiations), and the war ended with them accepting it, you would be 100% correct, but they weren’t.

The war was still raging for OVER TWO YEARS after the allies Negotiated amongst themselves and agreed that they would only accept an unconditional surrender from Germany.

January 1943 (Casablanca Conference): Roosevelt and Churchill publicly announce that only unconditional surrender would be accepted from Germany, Italy, and Japan. This was effectively the ultimatum — but it wasn’t directed at Germany in a formal diplomatic note.
• April–May 1945: As the Third Reich collapsed, the Allies demanded that German forces surrender unconditionally. There was no formal “new” ultimatum, just the already-established policy.
• May 7, 1945: German General Alfred Jodl signed the first instrument of unconditional surrender at Reims, France.
• May 8, 1945 (V-E Day): The surrender took effect. A second signing, more formal and in the presence of Soviet commanders, happened late on May 8 in Berlin.

So in short:
• Ultimatum issued: Not as a single final document, but as the Casablanca declaration (Jan 1943).
• Acceptance of unconditional surrender: May 7–8, 1945.

You are arguing semantics. I’ll give you a ceasefire was achieved with Germany’s unconditional surrender (mostly…small pockets of resistance continued) but the war in Europe did not conclude until a negotiated settlement between the Allies on what to do about Germany & Eastern Europe.

[Solkern]

So you think it’s wrong Trump met with Putin (and Zelensky separately in this case) to try to be an intermediary and bring this war to an end? Tell me then, what is the path to diplomacy that both parties can agree upon? What would you have done differently, and why did Biden not even attempt to give peace a chance? Are you willing for the US and/or Europe to get into direct conflict with Russia over Ukraine? If not, you do understand that as this protracted war continues Russia will continue to make incremental territorial gains?

Also wanted to add.

There is no path to diplomacy. Why? Putin doesn’t want peace, that should be obvious by now and what Putin is demanding, is not realistic. He purposely makes it unrealistic and keeps moving the goal post and in his demands.

If he REALLY wanted peace and the war to end, he would meet with Zelenskyy. Alaska was the perfect place to do it. Of course he didn’t and he never will.

Biden understood this. Just watch Russian Media. They don’t want peace they want to commit genocide… this is Russian state media sponsored and controlled by the government by the way.

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Joe Biden beat Putin at his own game. By supporting Ukraine to fight off Russia it put Russia in a weaker position globally economically and militarily. All without losing a single US troop.

Trump wants to cave to Putin like nothing ever happened. It's spineless, cowardice, enabling, dumb, and totally goes against the grain of American toughness.

[Solkern]

You are arguing semantics. I’ll give you a ceasefire was achieved with Germany’s unconditional surrender (mostly…small pockets of resistance continued) but the war in Europe did not conclude until a negotiated settlement between the Allies on what to do about Germany & Eastern Europe.

I’m not, the allies discussed the unconditional surrender in January 1943. Two years later Germany surrendered unconditionally. Two years buddy.


Do you know when the allies discussed what would happen to Germany after they surrendered? First in November of 1943 at the Tehran conference, than a finalization in February 1945, in The Yalta conference(nothing was changed, it was just a confirmation of what was already agreed upon). Months before the war ended.

Potsdam Conference Happened MONTHS after Germany surrendered, and the focus shifted from planning to implementation: confirming borders, setting policies (demilitarization, denazification, reparations, democratization), and managing day-to-day administration.

So your “negotiated settlement” happened years and finalized months before the war ended and months after Germany’s unconditional surrender.


The war ended a year and a half after the allies discussed what would happen post surrender.
Sorry m8, negotiations had no direct influence with Germany’s unconditional surrender, and the end of the war.

if it did, it the war would have ended at the end of 1943 or at the very beginning of 44, not a year and a half later in the middle of 1945.

[Solkern]

Joe Biden beat Putin at his own game. By supporting Ukraine to fight off Russia it put Russia in a weaker position globally economically and militarily. All without losing a single US troop.

Trump wants to cave to Putin like nothing ever happened. It's spineless, cowardice, enabling, dumb, and totally goes against the grain of American toughness.

No he didn’t, Biden was an idiot. The only thing he understood was that Putin doesn’t want peace, and there is no diplomacy with him.

He could have and should have done A LOT more, and he failed.

[Tgo01]

Joe Biden beat Putin at his own game. By supporting Ukraine to fight off Russia it put Russia in a weaker position globally economically and militarily. All without losing a single US troop.

Trump wants to cave to Putin like nothing ever happened. It's spineless, cowardice, enabling, dumb, and totally goes against the grain of American toughness.

Trump has continued the exact same thing Biden did and Trump also slapped tariffs on India for buying Russian oil and threatened to slap tariffs on other countries if they buy Russian oil. All without losing a single US troop.

What more do you fuckers want Trump to do that Biden didn't do?

[Solkern]

Trump has continued the exact same thing Biden did and Trump also slapped tariffs on India for buying Russian oil and threatened to slap tariffs on other countries if they buy Russian oil. All without losing a single US troop.

What more do you fuckers want Trump to do that Biden didn't do?

Concur, Trump has tried to do more, but hasn’t had any success to be honest, as the war is still raging on.

The problem is Trump really believes he can make peace happen, he can’t, no one can. Putin does not want peace.

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No he didn’t, Biden was an idiot. The only thing he understood was that Putin doesn’t want peace, and there is no diplomacy with him.

He could have and should have done A LOT more, and he failed.

I agree Biden understood Putin better than Trump. By standing up to Putin and showing strength is the only way to deal with him.

If by saying Biden could have done more means him agreeing to Ukraine striking inside of Russia I would agree. I'd be interested to hear what you think he could have done?