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    Quote Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet View Post
    When we’re talking about firearms background check let’s keep it standardized & in the context to completing an ATF form 4473 & a NICS check. The only ones that can effectively do that are registered FFLs (firearms dealers). FFLs get audited by the ATF for record keeping and such. They are required to hold onto 4473s for a period of 10 years if I am not mistaken.

    I understand the scenario you are trying to paint but let’s remove murder from the equation and just say that the ATF is investigating firearms crime. IE, they are going after people who sold guns but didn’t go through a background check with universal background check laws. Now I have a bunch of guns and sell one to somebody in a private sale outside of the FFL process. How would the ATF be able to enforce that universal background check law and go after me for that crime of selling a firearm outside of that process without a list of knowing what guns I possess?

    That’s a specific scenario. I’m referring to the guns that are used to commit crimes, or are in the hands of people who shouldn’t have them. A serial number trace can see who bought and sold the gun.

    It’s more like, you sold a gun to me, I committed a crime with it. They trace the gun back to you, if you didn’t do/get a background check before you sold it, you’d be charged. If you did do a check, you’re fine.

    I think the law is NOT to crack down on people who sell guns, it’s to ensure that the people who have the rights to have firearms can get them, and the ones that don’t have the right to get firearms don’t get firearms.

    I think private citizens should by law, be required to get a background check from the buyer, and keep it on file.
    It literally takes 10 minutes and a 24 hour wait to get a state/national background check. It’s not difficult at all, and an extremely small thing people can request/do to make sure people who shouldn’t have guns, don’t get them.

    With great power, comes great responsibility
    Last edited by Solkern; 09-29-2023 at 11:09 AM.
    The idiot award goes to…

    Quote Originally Posted by Neveragain View Post
    The Constitution is not the Declaration of Independence. (I'm not at all surprised that you don't know this)
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    "That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government." ~ The Constitution

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