Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Nikkisaurus
I don't want to see studies showing the harm of marijuana, I want to see studies and objective evidence showing it's more harmful than other drugs we have controlled and legalized. Show me studies that demonstrate the harm of marijuana is worse than alcohol.
Easily done! Marijuana's specific causation of schizophrenia is 5 cases per 1000 people. Every other legal drug, including alcohol but not including tobacco, has direct threats lower than that value. This does not mean the threat is 0 cases, just that is lower than 5. You mention Zoloft, we can look at Zoloft here and find that the highest threat is nausea at 4.3 per 1000. Alcohol poisoning is between 1 and 10 per 1,000,000 depending on who you ask, but obviously even at 10 per 1,000,000 it's not close.
This attitude is extremely frustrating because you think you're helping mentally ill people, but you really are not. Because it's these beliefs that keep various drugs from being able to be tested, experimented with, and synthesized into effective medicine. I'm probably biased because I'm going to be participating in a PTSD-MDMA study in 6 months in Vancouver, but it bugs the fuck out of me that people want to crusade on my behalf and people who are suffering like me and in doing so they're actually pushing effective medicine and potential cures further out of our grasp.
Strictly speaking I think I'm helping people from becoming mentally ill in the first place. Fallen has already sourced a study that says CBD is pretty much clozapine (I can go back and look for the citation if you want) which tells us two things: clearly someone's investigating these drugs somewhere somehow, and just as clearly there's no magic bullet lurking in cannabis. It's a painkiller; we already have painkillers. It's an atypical anti-psychotic; we already have those too.
I honestly don't get how Latrin can justify this and justify keeping marijuana illegal. Anything that alters brain and gut chemistry is going to have risks, period. The question is not "Is there risk" the question is whether the rewards out weigh the risk, and I want Latrin to demonstrate that they don't for marijuana using legalized drugs like alcohol and caffeine as comparisons.
I went into alcohol above, I can't find any proper studies for caffeine-generated psychosis, but this cross-sectional one concludes that "schizophrenia symptomatology
was not associated with caffeine intake" after controlling for other drug use. Do you have anything else in mind?
Quote Originally Posted by Tgo01
I've already linked studies showing that aspirin can triple your chances of developing stomach ulcers and thus doubling your chances of dying from stomach ulcers but Latrin concluded none of this mattered because aspirin "only" had a 1 in 1000 chance of killing someone while marijuana had a whooping 5 in 1000 chance of developing psychosis and since 5 is greater than 1 obviously marijuana is more dangerous.
Your source had aspirin at a 1 in 10,000 chance of killing someone. The 1 in 1000 chance was to cause stomach bleeding at all.