Age of Marijuana Use and Psychosis

[Tgo01]

This reminds me of the tit nazis who say the amount of women who can't breastfeed is "negligible" and never talk about it or acknowledge their campaigns seriously harm women, despite the fact that the number of women who physically are unable to breastfeed are about the same percentage wise as women who get breast cancer.

This reminded me of this video:

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

God I love that commercial. I could go on forever about the competitive and fucking stupid state of modern parenting, but I won't. There definitely are parallels when it comes to clinging to scientifically shoddy or objectively stupid ideas because of ego.

[Latrinsorm]

I don't want to see studies showing the harm of marijuana, I want to see studies and objective evidence showing it's more harmful than other drugs we have controlled and legalized. Show me studies that demonstrate the harm of marijuana is worse than alcohol.

Easily done! Marijuana's specific causation of schizophrenia is 5 cases per 1000 people. Every other legal drug, including alcohol but not including tobacco, has direct threats lower than that value. This does not mean the threat is 0 cases, just that is lower than 5. You mention Zoloft, we can look at Zoloft here and find that the highest threat is nausea at 4.3 per 1000. Alcohol poisoning is between 1 and 10 per 1,000,000 depending on who you ask, but obviously even at 10 per 1,000,000 it's not close.

This attitude is extremely frustrating because you think you're helping mentally ill people, but you really are not. Because it's these beliefs that keep various drugs from being able to be tested, experimented with, and synthesized into effective medicine. I'm probably biased because I'm going to be participating in a PTSD-MDMA study in 6 months in Vancouver, but it bugs the fuck out of me that people want to crusade on my behalf and people who are suffering like me and in doing so they're actually pushing effective medicine and potential cures further out of our grasp.

Strictly speaking I think I'm helping people from becoming mentally ill in the first place. Fallen has already sourced a study that says CBD is pretty much clozapine (I can go back and look for the citation if you want) which tells us two things: clearly someone's investigating these drugs somewhere somehow, and just as clearly there's no magic bullet lurking in cannabis. It's a painkiller; we already have painkillers. It's an atypical anti-psychotic; we already have those too.

I honestly don't get how Latrin can justify this and justify keeping marijuana illegal. Anything that alters brain and gut chemistry is going to have risks, period. The question is not "Is there risk" the question is whether the rewards out weigh the risk, and I want Latrin to demonstrate that they don't for marijuana using legalized drugs like alcohol and caffeine as comparisons.

I went into alcohol above, I can't find any proper studies for caffeine-generated psychosis, but this cross-sectional one concludes that "schizophrenia symptomatology
was not associated with caffeine intake" after controlling for other drug use. Do you have anything else in mind?

I've already linked studies showing that aspirin can triple your chances of developing stomach ulcers and thus doubling your chances of dying from stomach ulcers but Latrin concluded none of this mattered because aspirin "only" had a 1 in 1000 chance of killing someone while marijuana had a whooping 5 in 1000 chance of developing psychosis and since 5 is greater than 1 obviously marijuana is more dangerous.

Your source had aspirin at a 1 in 10,000 chance of killing someone. The 1 in 1000 chance was to cause stomach bleeding at all.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

What about risks of people who need Zoloft also having elevated risk of alcohol abuse? What about risks of people who are simply at elevated risk levels? Every single study I've seen is done on a healthy population, not people who are sick. AKA the people who receive these drugs.

And really, that's cute, that's great you're preventing people from becoming mentally ill. Maybe you could stop attempting to fuck those of us who simply are?


What purpose exactly does alcohol provide that justifies keeping it legal and available despite the harm it does to mentally ill people and otherwise healthy people? How is that purpose different than legalizing marijuana?

[Tgo01]

Your source had aspirin at a 1 in 10,000 chance of killing someone. The 1 in 1000 chance was to cause stomach bleeding at all.

[Warriorbird]

I've heard that being put in jail increases people's chances of mental illness and death. I'd love to see this investigated.

[Latrinsorm]

What about risks of people who need Zoloft also having elevated risk of alcohol abuse? What about risks of people who are simply at elevated risk levels? Every single study I've seen is done on a healthy population, not people who are sick. AKA the people who receive these drugs.

You've lost me on the first two, but it's certainly plausible that people who are ill could suffer other side effects. Do you have any specific ones in mind, for any of the drugs we're talking about?

And really, that's cute, that's great you're preventing people from becoming mentally ill. Maybe you could stop attempting to fuck those of us who simply are?

Why would I want to f*** myself? My hair's not that amazing. Okay, well it is, but... what were we talking about?

What purpose exactly does alcohol provide that justifies keeping it legal and available despite the harm it does to mentally ill people and otherwise healthy people? How is that purpose different than legalizing marijuana?

My point is not that alcohol provides more benefit than marijuana, I would guess it provides less although I haven't seen either's analgesic potential quantified. My point is that the risk of marijuana is more more than the benefit of alcohol is less, which is why I think it's so important to quantify when we can.

[Gelston]

Shut up, Latrin.

[Androidpk]

And yet alcohol kills over a hundred thousand people on a yearly basis.

[Fallen]

CBD, despite any attempts to vilify it by saying it has the same side effects of a different drug (with no proof or evidence whatsoever)has yet to be shown to have any withdrawal symptoms.

http://www.medicinalgenomics.com/wp-...aschi_2011.pdf

It's ironic that those so worried about schizophrenia would seek to mindlessly dismiss one of the most promising treatments for the disease to appear in years.

A previous case report of a teenager diagnosed with schizophrenia who experienced severe side effects after treatment with conventional antipsychotics demonstrated significant improvement of symptoms with no adverse effects after hospitalization and 4 weeks of treatment with increasing doses of CBD up to 1,500mg/day [80]. More recently, CBD monotherapy was administered to three patients with treatment-resistant schizophrenia (initial oral dose of 40 mg, increased to 1,280mg/day) for up to 4 weeks with no side effects reported, even at the highest dose [81].A similar result was observed in two patients with bipolar affective disorder who received CBD (600-1,200mg/day) for Current Drug Safety, 2011, Vol. 6, No. 4 Bergamaschi et al.up to 24 days [82]. A double-blind study with 42 patients diagnosed with schizophrenia or schizophreniform disorder(DSM-IV) in an acute episode showed that CBD (800mg)significantly reduced psychotic symptoms after 2 to 4 weeks of treatment and induced fewer side effects, such a sextrapyramidal symptoms, increased prolactin levels, and weight gain, compared to amilsupride [83].