How long do you think McCarthy is going to last?
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How long do you think McCarthy is going to last?
Don't really care. I honestly wish everyone in congress and the white house would just disappear and we were able to reboot and start over. Any politician that runs on racism, sexism or gender automatically gets taken off any ballots. No one in the government gets paid at all until a balanced budget is implemented that cannot be overridden unless we declare war (hot war, not a proxy war in Ukraine).
Everyone gets term limits 2 for the senate (12 years is plenty), lets say 6 for congress (12 years is plenty), 8 for pres, time as vp counts towards that. Everyone has to pass annual basic ethics tests, have the IRS crawl up their ass the entire time they are in office and everyone over 50 have to pass mental competency tests in public, and no one can serve beyond 70.
I would even drop House to 4 terms (8 is plenty).. but I wouldn't count VP as being President in the term limits.. it's a different job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Also: I don't trust our government using the IRS to selectively "crawl up their ass" in a consistent manner... or have a panel conduct mental competency tests or an annual basic ethic test. These would be too easy to target political enemies. I also wouldn't want a set age where you couldn't serve.. Ronald Reagan was a very unifying President and he was 70 when he was first elected.
I believe there is merit in certain members of the House demanding that we revert from omnibus spending bills & instead return to 12 separate appropriation bills with ample time given to read & debate each.
I would add in no more earmarks on bills. Single page is too far but clean them up. Also, if country is operating at a deficit then nobody in congress is eligible for re-election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
The system they put in place isn't working for the American people and needs to be gutted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
Instead of coming up with new and innovated ways to get more money from us, maybe they should be forced to live within a budget.
I get deficit spending is necessary sometimes.. in case of emergency.. but that debt should be cleaned up and paid for the following month/year and not just let accumulate to where the servicing of the debt is now one of the biggest line items in the entire government.
Earmarks allocate funding to specific projects in lieu of leaving it up to the federal agencies to decide the priority list. I get the practice has been distorted into lawmaker bribing to earn their support, but there is still a legislative purpose. Otherwise, the biggest Metropolitan areas would get all of the funding as defined by the Executive branch and only influenced by legislator requests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
sounds like the Dems are willing to back Gaetz play to remove mccarthy from SOTH. Things are about to get interesting in DC and I for one cant wait for Speaker Trump.
The Democrats aren't interested in backing Gaetz as much as they are for helping create chaos they can blame (rightfully) on the Republicans. Then they can watch with popcorn again as it takes even longer than it did the first time to get a new Speaker in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
While I agree with some of Gaetz & the Freedom Caucus positions on things like term limits and the budget I think he is making a mistake & putting his personal vendetta with McCarthy ahead of smart politics. The House almost passed a budget bill with roughly 8% spending cuts. Had that passed it would have forced the Senate to vote on that measure & if not passed Democrats would be the ones having to answer/justify why they are rejecting the Bill & choosing a government shutdown. Instead we are left with a 45 day CR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
McCarthy is a bit of a Rhino no doubt, but what more can Republicans really demand of him? The reality is we have Joe Biden as President & a Senate majority controlled by Democrats. In this reality I would have accepted the prior proposed House budget bill as a win. The infighting leaves Republicans in a weaker position. Democrats are unified and fall in line when they need to, and this is par for the course with the Republican Party.
100% correct, republicans eat their own while dems might not love they guy they vote for but it beats the other sides guy. You would think after all these years idiots like Gaetz and his idiot friends would clue in, but he is in a solid red district so he relishes bringing his personal vendetta to congress and burning it all down and knowing he will be reelected. He is apparently making waves that he wants to run for governor, he would get crushed, even though Florida is fairly red, it is not THAT red.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
MAGA Republicans versus Mainstream Republicans, your party has created these people and their lunatic, disruptive behaviors, so why would you be surprised when you help vote them in office. These Trump darlings are just doing what you put them into office to do, disrupt.Quote:
Originally Posted by kutter
DeSantis won his last election by 20 points.. but that's because he was extremely popular in 2022 due to Covid.. and he was going against Charlie Crist who is an extremely weak "Democrat" who everyone dislikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by kutter
It'll be interesting to see how Florida goes on the next election. I believe we've moved further right than we have been in the past, but if you get a decent Democrat and a weak Republican... could make for a nailbiter.
The world today is a radically different world than it was in 1980. The pace of technological change today vs when Reagan was president is exponentially greater year over year. It's why we get Senate hearing on TikTok and Google where they're asking about how their phone works or their personal WiFi or random questions about their kids instead of important questions. I was an infant for Reagan but even inf my life the rate of change his hard to fathom so expecting someone who's an octogenarian to be able to keep up is unlikely. Not that they don't have a role in advising and relaying their historical context to a complex system of rules and measures but I think at a certain point there needs to be an understanding that people who don't keep up or can't keep up can't really govern a world they don't understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Pretty funny to hear Boebert of Colorado voting against the vacation motion. Speaker saved her ass after she was caught on video vaping, being drunk and disorderly, and fondling a male companion that wasn't her husband at a musical production.
And the Gaetz motion passes, the Office of the Speaker is vacant. Republican infighting makes history in removing McCarthy.
Meanwhile Jamaal Bowman is a self-proclaimed socialist pulling fire alarms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
In before "I wouldn't expect someone as racist simple minded as you to be able to understand that he was just trying to get to the vote on time, and not knowing that pulling the fire alarm would trigger the fire alarm is a common mistake that literally anyone could make."Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Why am I not surprised a tool like yourself would assume I am a republican. Your ignorance is once again on full display.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
McCarthy started impeachment hearings against Biden, and then McCarthy got impeached by Republicans. This has been a big news day.
If you're not a chronically unemployed extremely retarded pedo scumbag bottom feeding welfare leeching big government cuck, then Seran will automatically consider you a far right extremist.Quote:
Originally Posted by kutter
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Anyone that is politically right of Xi Jinping is a “MAGA Republican” in Seran’s eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by kutter
Point out to me which one of the mainstream Republican talking points you spew out on a regular basis would lead anyone to believe you aren't one. I'm sure you'll spout off about being an Independent or Libertarian, but that's just an idiots way of denying they're a Republican.Quote:
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Is RFK Jr. actually a Republican since he is about to abandon the Democrat party to run as an Independent? I assure you his “talking points” are anything but mainstream Republican. About the only thing he has in common with the Rs is a mistrust in big pharma and acknowledging that the vax was ineffective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Edit: I know you it’s beyond your comprehension to imagine someone not pledge their undying loyalty to a political party, but most of us normal folks see the flaws & corruption of a broken Post-Constitutional Republic in decay.
My favorite part of Seran's post was this quote:Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
i.e. iF yOu DoN't VoTe BlUe No MaTtEr WhO tHeN yOu'Re A fAr RiGhT eXtReMiSt!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kutter
I often struggle with assessing Reagan’s presidency. On one side of the coin he saved us from imminent economic collapse, had a massive part in defeating our sworn enemy the Soviet Union, and ushered in a new age of Americana that really did wonders for the enjoyment of my childhood. On the other side of the coin his economic policies greatly eroded the middle class, his foreign policies created new future enemies, and his war on drugs while allowing anti communist freedom fighters to profit from drug trade did immeasurable harm to the poor & especially black community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean
One thing that nobody really disputes though is that at age 70 his witts were sharp as a razor blade & he can be counted in the top 5 greatest orators of the 20th Century (Hitler probably has him beat in that regard, and I’d put JFK about even).
At the beginning, most certainly. But at the end, he was struggling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Let the crying meltdowns begin. LULZQuote:
Texas Republican will nominate Trump for Speaker of the House
BY NICK ROBERTSON - 10/03/23 8:34 PM ET
Rep. Troy Nehls (R-Texas) announced late Tuesday that he will file paperwork to nominate former President Trump to be the next Speaker of the House.
“This week, when the U.S. House of Representatives reconvenes, my first order of business will be to nominate Donald J. Trump for Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives,” Nehls said in a statement. “President Trump, the greatest President of my lifetime, has a proven record of putting America First and will make the House great again.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...-of-the-house/
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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
Trump hasn't ruled it out..
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“A lot of people have been calling me about speaker,” Trump said Wednesday morning outside a New York City courthouse for the third day of New York Attorney General Letitia James’ $250 million civil fraud trial against him. “All I can say is we will do whatever is best for the country and other Republican Party and people.”
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Trump is the Speaker House Democrats deserve.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
McCarthy is a moderate that worked across the aisle to avoid and could not accept a government shutdown. For his efforts, the same Democrats voted for his removal just to cause chaos and disruption to the Republican Party without consideration to anything else.
I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would want Trump in DC, they guy is toxic. I so don't want him to be the next president because if he somehow gets elected it will be nothing but a revenge tour for all the people he 'thinks' slighted him, and for a narcissistic asshat like Trump, that list is REALLY long.
This country needs a leader that will build consensus and tear down the divisions the Obama regime opened up and have only been continued by the far left. But I doubt this will happen, this country has seen its best days and we are on the decline. I wonder if we will go gentle into that good night or will there be a stand against it?
It’s really easy to comprehend when your generation has been slapped in the face around every turn. This iteration of government is corrupt to its core and needs to be refreshed. Who better to bring in to fix a failing business then the guy who has mastered bankruptcy proceedings. We need a shrewd businessman to get back on track, not career criminals/politicians.
Edit: and Trump has legitimately had the best foreign policy the US has had in decades.
I’m curious to see who the names on the list that McCarthy submitted for potential successors are
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
That, and only Trump can cause the mentally ill Serans of the world to have the completely unhinged meltdowns that they have all day every day, and that alone is worth the price of admission.
Courting Russia and North Korea, while abusing our allies, real great foreign policy objectives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
Seran: "Biden is the best foreign policy president ever!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Also Seran: "Why does everyone think I'm retarded?"
I agree, Biden is a steaming pile of shit in every possible way. And since you enjoy eating actual shit, it makes sense that you love him and think he's the greatest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Nancy PelosiQuote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
Hakeem Jeffries
James Clyburn
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
My favorite part of this was how McCarthy sucked up to the Democrats for the passage of the stopgap spending measure... then went on the Sunday shows to say how the Democrats were standing in the way to get it passed. Democrats didn't like how he handled it.. and voted to oust him.
Anyone else would have received a Nobel prize for the Abraham accords. Remember when “peace in the Middle East” actually mattered?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Edit: and what allies? The ones who are inept, in worse shape than we are, and equally corrupt?the same ones who sanctioned Russia then turned around to buy oil from them?
Agreed. That’s why I say Trump is the Speaker that House Democrats deserve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Can you imagine all the salty tears? That might put some of them over the edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
NATO comes to mind, South Korea, Israel, Japan and dozens of others as well. They're actual allies, while Trump tried & failed to cozy up to dictators in enemy states in a misguided attempt to woo them over with his celebrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
The Abraham Accords were certainly an accomplishment.. by Israel. If you think Trump deserves a peace prize, I'd clarify you don't win a Nobel for being uninvolved. 'Not meddling in other's accomplishments' isn't a category.
Meanwhile, trying to rattle our participation in NATO, withdrawing from cooperation with the WHO? That's a Trump temper tantrum diplomacy at it's finest.
While I am genuinely exhausted with the Democrats being the ones expected to jump in and actually govern when the GOP falls into shambles, I am equally exhausted with the increasing Democratic tolerance for letting our country head to the brink before stepping in and doing something about it. Because these aren't "Republican" problems- they're American problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Having said that, I get why they didn't step in and save McCarthy. They weren't mad about him going on air and saying they were the ones blocking passage of the CR (I mean, that's not what they were primarily mad about) they were mad at him once again making deals he had no intention of honoring- this time in the form of a standalone Ukraine funding vote he had promised. And the idiot got up on TV and told everyone that he would give the Democrats zero concessions for supporting his bid as Speaker. This is a topic that has been danced around a lot in the media and among his peers, but McCarthy has a reputation for being genuinely stupid. We saw a lot of that on display over the last few days.
And McCarthy's speakership was going to be increasingly unstable and untenable even if he did survive this last round. That, plus the fact that McCarthy has done some genuinely bad things for the country in capitulation to his most extreme flank, it's hard to imagine someone else being worse for Democrats and the country. So I think Democrats figured things could only go up from here, and that they weren't actually going to be sparing the nation this chaos. Simply delaying it.
Of course, then Jim Jordan raised his hand. Oh and we've got to fund the damn government in fewer than 45 days.
So here we are, rushing towards the brink again. And the Democrats are nowhere to be found and won't be until the last minute.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.Quote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
McCarthy is from Bakersfield CA, what precisely do you expect from a man where there is as much meth and ag chemicals in the water as there is fluoride.Quote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
Oh hi. Guess we had enough Trump drama for you to grace us with your presence.Quote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
I obviously don’t share your opinion in regard to the Democrat Party being the saviors & adults expected to govern, but I can sympathize with that tired feeling. Democrats fall in line when they need to and Republicans can’t when they need to.
Didn’t step in to save?? Are you being serious right now? They voted with the so called Freedom Caucus (or whatever you wish to label Gaetz and that small minority of the House Republicans) to oust him from Speaker. That’s completely disingenuous for you to say save. They sided with the most conservative right wing of Republicans to put a knife in his back. There is a distinct difference between saving and choosing not to vote that way for whatever imaginary petty grievance.
I agree McCarthy is stupid. He is a lot smarter than many representatives, but let’s agree the bar is set real low with that standard. Thing is my position on the budget, term limits, and a couple other things align with Gaetz… but that was incredibly selfish of him. We have a Senate controlled by Democrats and Joe Biden is our President. Best House Republicans can do without shutting down the government is to make modest budget cuts, put the bill on the Senate floor, and put the heat on Democrats to pass it or answer to the American people why they allowed a shutdown. That would be smart. Unfortunately that didn’t happen thanks to the unholy bipartisan alliance, and here we are. Back to McCarthy though, and understand I don’t like him as I tell you this, but his Speakership was totally tenable if Dems didn’t go along with that. They & the Gaetz crew made it so.
So here we are, and 45 days does come fast. I agree it’s just tiresome and shitty for America. See you around next time you pop in.
McCarthy and that little chode McHenry kicking Pelosi out of her office was pretty childish. McHenry's little temper tantrum with the gavel was also pretty hilarious.
https://youtu.be/s-MKGnpcaVc?si=dmjqfKKlE8pz2Q2Y
The fact that she still had that hideaway speaks to why McCarthy had to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I think it's a lot less complex than that. The play is that if the seat if vacant there's always the possibility that a group of Republicans might crossover and offer the Democrats something or someone worth voting for. It's a calculated risk that the seat won't move further to the right but even if it does there's still the Senate and White House as a backstop.Quote:
Originally Posted by time4fun
Is it likely? No. Is it possible? Sure. As giddy as this thread is about a potential speaker Trump I'd say his nomination would make it more likely.
That being said I agree that the game of chicken with a functioning government is getting tiresome.
Because an office is somehow a threat to Republicans? Is that honestly what you're eluding to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
Yes, thats exactly what I was referring to. The hideaway was going to be the straw that finally broke our republic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
McCarthy is from California.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
Why are people suddenly realizing he is a RINO and more of a friend to the Dems than he ever was to the Conservatives?
I'm glad he has finally decided to not run again for Speaker. Hopefully, now we can get a leader that is more aligned with the Republicans.
Yeah I’m glad it’s finally in the open. The uniparty seniority said Pelosi got the office, but the times are changing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
I’ve always realized what he was and I’m also glad he decided not to run again. That being said, his ousting wasn’t cool & left the House Republicans weak & divided. What happened shouldn’t have, but it did. I do hope the next Speaker is less compromising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
And they only have themselves to blame. I don’t like how they are trying to blame the democrats and everyone else for their own shit storm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
I mostly agree, but it’s pretty fucked up that the Dems voted with him on a 45 day CR & then almost immediately after made an unholy bipartisan alliance with the Freedom Caucus to oust him over some petty imaginary slight. They got rid of a RINO willing to compromise with their party and likely won’t get that with whoever replaces his Speaker position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
He needed the Dems, and said he would not negotiate to save his job. That’s on him. While I applaud him for crossing party lines for 45 days and CR, a one time thing isn’t enough to save his job, especially after what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Dems can now blame republicans for not getting the 12 appr bills passed, drag their feet through the CR and eventually get the omnibus that they would have gotten with McCarthy anyway but with better optics for them. They still have the safeguard of a dem pres and senate. Really there wasn’t much to lose for them unless somehow Trump becomes speaker, which as much as I’d like to see happen I don’t think it will. Wouldn’t be surprised if McHenry was voted in full time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
If Trump became speaker of the house would be even more dysfunctional than it is now. We don’t need a dysfunctional Congress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
Unholy alliance? You mean voted along party lines. They owed no allegiance to McCarthy, and after he launched an impeachment inquiry the star witness immediately shot down, passed pointless go nowhere bills over and over in lieu of discussion and compromise, after the moron hearings he championed under Jordan and Comer, after his protection of Santos only to eventually fold, after he released January 6th footage to Tucker Carlson and no one else.. What exactly do you think McCarthy did to earn the support of Democrats. Tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Look how butthurt you are :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Settle down loser, you're always going to suck at life and literally everyone on the planet will always be several times smarter than you, so just accept it. And maybe get a job and take a shower once in a while too.
I’m happy they can find common ground with Matt Gaetz & the other 7 hardline conservative House Republicans when they need to. We’ll see who replaces McCarthy and how much more the Dems like working with that individual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
You make a great point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
House Republicans should have passed the budget bill with roughly 8% reduction and put it to the Senate floor for a vote. That was their best move.
Only if they actually used their heads, instead of being idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
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Originally Posted by Solkern
I'm curious if you think the Republican party will become more function, as opposed to less functional under someone like Jim Jordan who seems to be a favorite for the next Speakership. House Republican leadership has acted as if they didn't have only a handful of member majority working against a Senate and Whitehouse controlled by Democrats. If your only desire is to see the government shutdown by a new leader who see's that as the only recourse for not getting what they want, then so be it. That wasn't a winning proposition for Republicans the last three times they've done it however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Though it would have practically 0 effect on me, no I don’t particularly wish for a shutdown. To answer your question, no I don’t think it will be more functional. You are also making my point…McCarthy was a RINO and a moderate. Personal feelings aside, he was practically the most willing Republican Speaker willing to wheel & deal with House Democrats. By Dems aligning with 8 House Republicans to oust him, they are likely to get a new Speaker that is far less inclined to work with them on anything moving forward. A selfish part of me that enjoys poetic justice does look forward to the bitching festival that will ensue as a result of Dems not thinking about the consequence of their actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
But that is the problem, McCarthy spent more time placating the extremist wing of his own party and burned bridges with House Dems. There's enough moderate to near right Dems that compromise bills to see cuts and other concessions for lefty agendas likely would have seen passage despite the far left. But McCarthy didn't do that, the was so afraid of seeing himself deposed by working with the Dems he instead got nothing done and was STILL deposed for doing the right thing in the CR. I doubt the Democrats would like whomever is the next Speaker, but you're right in that they deserve whomever they get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
It must have been the burning bridges that made the Democrat pull the fire alarm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Which moderate to near right Dems in the House are you referring to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Might be referring to the Cuckservatives...Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
However one feels about it good/bad/indifferent, McCarthy wasn’t willing to let a shutdown happen. He reached across the aisle for a 45 day CR. We can both imagine what Jim Jordan would do. For McCarthy’s efforts, the same Dems that voted with him to pass a CR immediately turned on him to oust him from Speakership. I never like McCarthy. He isn’t conservative enough for me. I respect his adherence to doing what he thought was right with avoiding the shutdown. Tough to say if he understood the risk and this would happen to him, but he should have. Part of me feels bad for him and part of me agrees he deserved his fate. This is where compromising leads you in the House.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
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All of the Blue Dog Democrats for starters. Rep. Tom O’Halleran (AZ-01), Rep. Ed Case (HI-01), Rep. Stephanie Murphy (FL-07), Rep. Carolyn Bourdeaux (GA-07), Rep. Sanford Bishop (GA-02), Rep. Jim Cooper (TN-05), Rep. Lou Correa (CA-46), Rep. Jim Costa (CA-16), Rep. Charlie Crist (FL-13), Rep. Henry Cuellar (TX-28), Rep. Jared Golden (ME-02), Rep. Vicente Gonzalez (TX-15), Rep. Josh Gottheimer (NJ-05), Rep. Brad Schneider (IL-10), Rep. Kurt Schrader (OR-05), Rep. David Scott (GA-13), Rep. Mikie Sherrill (NJ-11), Rep. Abigail Spanberger (VA-07), Rep. Mike Thompson (CA-05).Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
I don’t know a lot on this list, but Vincente Gonzalez…lol. I guess it’s all relative when you say near right. Compared to AOC? Maybe. He is still very much left of center.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Hey, at least you tried to come up with a list instead of just saying "GOOGLE IT YOURSELF!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
So, let's take a look at these "moderate to near right Dems" and look at their voting record in this Congress. Let's just look at the number of times they sided with Republicans and did not vote with their own caucus:
Rep. Tom O’Halleran - No longer in Congress.
Rep. Ed Case - 0
Rep. Stephanie Murphy - No longer in Congress.
Rep. Carolyn Bourdeaux - No longer in Congress.
Rep. Sanford Bishop - 0
Rep. Jim Cooper - No longer in Congress.
Rep. Lou Correa - 0
Rep. Jim Costa - 0
Rep. Charlie Crist - No longer in Congress.
Rep. Henry Cuellar - 1
Rep. Jared Golden - 2
Rep. Vicente Gonzalez - 0
Rep. Josh Gottheimer - 0
Rep. Brad Schneider - 0
Rep. Kurt Schrader - No longer in Congress.
Rep. David Scott - 0
Rep. Mikie Sherrill - 0
Rep. Abigail Spanberger - 0
Rep. Mike Thompson - 0
So... of your big list (and I'm very impressed with your copy/paste efforts) your list of 19 members that Speaker McCarthy should have worked with.. 6 are not even in Congress.. 11 have not voted against their caucus in 2023.. BUT TWO HAVE VOTED WITH THE REPUBLICANS!
So Rep Henry Cuellar voted ONE time against his caucus.. and Jared Golden voted TWO times against his caucus.
Yea, you gave us a list of real renegades of the Democrat Party.....
AOC has voted against her caucus more times than Vincente Gonzalez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Given the amount of dogshit bills that were actually put to a vote by McCarthy in the current Congress I can't say I'm surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
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Originally Posted by Seran
It's especially tough for the 6 people you claimed McCarthy should work with to vote for his "dogshit bills" when they aren't even in office any longer......Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
So.. we can just agree that you pulled that "moderate to near right Dems" out of your ass.. then when called out for a list.. you copied something I'm guessing from last year and you didn't bother to even look if they were still in Congress...
Yikes.
And by doing so you just fling out the window the reality that McCarthy didn't attempt bipartisanship until the CR and write off the members that are in fact still in Congress. I wonder if your level of disfunction is why the Republican party is falling apart, maybe your people actually do believe typos or someone misspeaking completely overwrites what is real or what is law. It was certainly my McHenry did his best limp wisted attempt to kill the speaker's podium with the gavel. Maybe he legit thought if he hit hard enough, McCarthy would magically become speaker again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
McCarthy did not attempt to do anything like bipartisanship with the 6 members you said he should work with.. since they haven't been in Congress for as long as McCarthy had been speaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Of the 19 people you said were moderate/right Democrats that he should work with... 2 didn't vote EVERY SINGLE TIME with their caucus. One stepped out of line once. The other stepped out of line twice.
So.. where are these magical "moderate/right Democrats" that McCarthy should have reached out to harder?
Do you ever get tired of just being wrong and retarded every single day?
Maybe tomorrow, you try something new: Try to be right about something.
It's gonna take at least a dozen more posts before the part where Seran realizes that those 6 aren't in Congress. And then he'll just shut the fuck up and pretend the conversation never happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
We could only hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
LOL, McCarthy didn't do anything bipartisan with anyone in his 9 months as Speaker of the House, until his conference field to create any budget bills and he opted to pile on to the Democrat's continuing resolution offer. That sole act got him booted out of the Speaker's chair by a pack of ravenous ultra conservatives.. that he used to support and campaign for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
I'm still waiting for that list of moderate/right Democrats that actually are in Congress now.. and that actually would vote against their caucus... as you claimed there were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
In before "I already did the work for you, you can google it yourself now"Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Give me the names of the representatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
I do love how you want to die on the Retard hill even Seran ran away from.
Good.
Since we know Shirley won't / can't name his "ZOMGIGOOGLEDBLUEDOGCOALITION! ISOSMART!" members... I'll do it for the little retard:
Rep. Sanford Bishop - 0
Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez - 1
Rep. Mary Sattler Petola - 0
Rep. Jim Costa - 0
Rep. Henry Cuellar - 1
Rep. Jared Golden - 2
Rep. Vicente Gonzalez - 0
Rep. Josh Gottheimer - 0
Rep. Mike Thompson - 0
At least we have a 2023 list (thanks to me) and ONE additional vote from the "Moderate to mostly right winger" part of the Democrat Party.
Great job Shirley. You nailed it... you found ONE additional vote more than the current Retard Champion.
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Your war is bankrupting Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Any candidate running that shows further support for funding the Ukraine is dead in the water.
This is all a candidate needs to say "They give away 125 billion to Ukraine while giving $700 to American citizens who's homes burnt up in a fiery conflagration."
Bankrupting Americans.. The 2017 Trump Tax Plan capped state and local taxes at $10,000 per year and had a much higher impact on the tax obligations of Americans each year than what had gone to aid Ukraine since the beginning of the invasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
I shouldn't be responsible for people who decide to live in high tax states.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I was smart enough to move the fuck out of there.
Once again, Trump was right.
Dude aren't you like 75? If you're not collecting low tax pension, paid off your house, then there is something seriously wrong with you. For the rest of us with jobs and assets, state and local taxations are a major hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
I'm not 75, but I have no personal mortgage and haven't had one in about 20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Bro.. no one believes you when you say "us"...Quote:
For the rest of us with jobs and assets
at all...
Get a job... then you can complain about taxation.
No shit...Quote:
State and local taxations are a major hit.
Question: Why is that the federal government's problem to subsidize people who decide to live in high tax states like NY, CA, IL?
Answer: It's not. If you don't want high taxes.. stop electing Democrats who keep raising taxes.
Fine, 85 then. Amazes me that you think that so few states have combined state and local taxes which would be less than 10k. Even more, that you think deduction removal was about subsidizing your tax rate. The bulk of that went to offset massive cuts in the tax rate for our native oligarchs and corporations, not you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Let me put this plainly as possible for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Building bombs and tanks require the same natural resources it takes to build schools, roads, hospitals, sanitation infrastructure, housing, agriculture...
Bombs and tanks are made to be destroyed while our children are attending century old schoolrooms, 650,000 Americans are sleeping in the street (10% of those being Vets), a mental health epidemic, 10's of thousands of illegals crossing our border, crumbling infrastructure...
1984 isn't an instruction manual, dumbass.
No one is surprised that math is yet another skill you can't figure out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Most people with jobs or businesses were helped by the Trump tax cuts... I'm not at all surprised that someone on welfare doesn't understand where his cut is.Quote:
Amazes me that you think that so few states have combined state and local taxes which would be less than 10k. Even more, that you think deduction removal was about subsidizing your tax rate.
The bulk of that went to offset massive cuts in the tax rate for our native oligarchs and corporations, not you.
Never mind the fact that the tax cuts helped bring back a lot of money that companies were stashing offshore.
If by 'most people' then you meant the top earners and corporations who had their tax rates drop precipitously, then sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
The fact that those tax cuts alone were responsible for adding $2 trillion to the national debt was the typical terrible fiscal management the Republicans are known for. That the Republican conference, headed by President Cheeto thought a massive tax cut without balancing the budget with other cuts would be fiscally responsible is simply astounding.
We've gone over this time and time and time again. You are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
But I know.. you didn't get a big bump in your welfare check and you believe everyone is living like you are.
Getting a welfare check once a month isn't a job, and your extensive collection of used hand-me-down dildos aren't assets either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I'm surprised that Republican House members rejected Trump's public urging that they name Jim Jordan as the next Speaker. It was secret ballot, which may have been the reason.
Jordan's personal exposure of having overlooked or deliberately covered up the rape of several members of the Ohio State University men's wrestling team by his good friend and team physician Dr Strauss is alleged as a deciding factor. Not to mention he's a nut job.
https://us.yahoo.com/news/nominated-...042252544.html
GOP's Scalise ends his bid to become House speaker as Republican holdouts refuse to back the nominee
Republicans need to get their shit together.
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Originally Posted by Seran
Who remembers what happened the last time Republicans elected a former wrestling coach as Speaker?
Chances that Jim Jordan becomes the next speaker? I’m putting at a solid 0%
Time to go find a book that will take that bet now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
You know as much about politics as you do football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
I'm sure your wife is happy you are "sporty" now though.
At least 7-8 hard no's within his conference and I can't imagine any Democrats crossing party lines, so I'm betting your right. He shouldn't have helped cover up Dr Strauss's sexual abuse of that men's wrestling team in college.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Already at 7Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Edited: 9
Edited: 13 now
I feel like being a pedophile or sexual deviant makes people more likely to be elected for some reason… probably the blackmail.
I imagine they'll start screaming and pulling their hair out at any moment now wondering why in a divided House they can't force the election of an unqualified, partisan moron as Speaker. I wonder if the final tally will have Jeffries with more votes, that'd be hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Jefferies did lol, Jordan lost 20 votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Lol yeah, Jeffries almost had enough votes to have the majority and take the Speakership. Wonder if it'd be a first time that the majority party made it possible for the leader of the opposition party to be Speaker if that happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Jeffries - 212
Jordan - 200
Scalise - 7
McCarthy - 6
If anyone can fuck it up that bad, it's republicans. They're top tier when it comes to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
A simple majority is not how it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I love how you have hope Jeffries has a chance to become Speaker.
You might know even less about politics than Soykern.
Jeffries only needed 5 votes to have won the Speakership vote, where Jordan needed 17. Maybe you're just really bad at math, but using those two numbers as the barometer, Jeffries stands a better chance than Strauss's ex-boyfriend Jordan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
You're giving Seran too much credit. There's a 100% chance that he's simply repeating what he heard on The View or some shit. He has 0 thoughts of his own in regards to anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
This would also require some republicans to vote for Jeffries. Not that I'd expect you to understand such a simple concept due to how ultra retarded you are and how you can't stop shitting your pants constantly, but just try to understand anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
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Originally Posted by Seran
It's not that you are only bad at math and politics.. you are just bad at every.single.thing.you.ever.try.
Because you don't understand how this works.
Question: How many Republicans are going to vote for Jeffries for Speaker?
Even the cows on the View would know Jeffries has no chance to become Speaker in this House.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
He has to be getting his "idea" from a much dumber source.
www.seranisaretard.com
Jordans in the same boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Watch it end up back at McCarthy lol.
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Jordan's not in the same boat though.. Republicans have the majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
No Democrat will vote for a Republican Speaker and no Republican will vote for a Democrat.
Jeffries has literally no chance.
Jordan has a chance.
And we have poor Seran hoping Jeffries wins.
https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o7bt...q0Qo/giphy.gif
Seran will cry racism when it doesn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Let’s see who is going to try next.
Even worse off for Republicans thus go around as support for Jordan is shrinking. 217 is needed for the majority, so once again highest vote tally goes to the Democrats, fewer than needed to elect a speaker unfortunately by 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Jeffries - 212
Jordan - 199
McCarthy - 6
Scalise - 7
All others - 10
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Originally Posted by Seran
You might want to have someone help you with English or the math.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Probably both.
Fixed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
It took McCarthy 15 times of voting before he eventually got it. Jim Jordan will eventually get the Speakership. Just give it time and strap in for the long ride.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
It’s completely different this time. McCarthy spent a lot of his time building relationships and helping others. Jordan, on the other hand has been destroying relationships. On top of that each round of voting McCarthy gained votes so far, Jim Jordan is losing votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
We’ll see. I’m thinking they are going to temporarily expand McHenry’s powers to get through the budget. That will give Republicans enough time to resolve their in-fighting. Jim Jordan is the Speaker that House Democrats deserve after stabbing McCarthy in the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
By Democrats, you mean Gaetz and the republicans that kicked him out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Jim Jordan isn’t the speaker the country deserves or needs.
I like how every Republican blames the Democrats for their own party, removing the speaker. It’s like what? The Democrats were willing to help McCarthy if he made some concessions and he refused to make any. That’s on him. Don’t blame the democrats for your parties dysfunction.
And stabbing McCarthy in the back? He worked with the democrats a grand total of ONE fucking time. You act like because of that the democrats owe him something, when he’s NEVER worked with them before. I’m sorry, but that’s hilarious.
The only reason McCarthy worked with the Democrats is because he knows a shut down would have made him and his party look more fucking awful and dysfunctional, than they already do and they would have taken the blame. He did it for his own party not for the Democrats.
Because remember, it was his party that couldn’t even work together to come up with their own budget to stop the shutdown. Remember you guys have the majority you don’t need the Democrats. So stop blaming the Democrats for your parties failures.
I just don’t understand why zero Republicans can take any accountability for their own fuck ups. They always have to blame someone else.
Don't let that distract you from the fact that Seran unironically believes that Jeffries will somehow end up getting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
It's because he's really stupid and butthurt.
Seran doesn’t think Jeffries will get it. He was just saying by vote total he’s closer than Jordan. But he will never reach that magical number, because no Republican will ever vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Oh and don’t forget, the entire time before he worked with the democrats he was trying to pass the budget with ZERO input from them. He only went to them because his party couldn’t do it without them, while they had the majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Oh I don’t deny there is serious dysfunction in the Republican Party. It’s been that way, particularly in the House, for decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
I won’t rehash the whole thing, but Democrats were happy to work with McCarthy to prevent a shutdown. As a direct result of that bipartisan effort, Gaetz and crew took it to a vote to remove him. The same Democrats voted to remove McCarthy. That’s why I say they stabbed him in the back.
As I said before, whoever gets it next is not going to be so inclined to reach across the aisle to prevent a shutdown after what happened to McCarthy.
You underestimate how stupid Seran is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Really? Let's see what Seran said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Stop being retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I doubt you are smart enough to know this until I posted it.Quote:
He was just saying by vote total he’s closer than Jordan. But he will never reach that magical number, because no Republican will ever vote for him.
I'm not sure how someone who supposedly is in finance and has to deal with numbers on a daily basis can be so god fucking awful at math or not know the difference between debt and deficit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
There are 212 Democrats in the House. In this case, the Democrats could have easily voted to keep McCarthy in power since only 8 Republicans voted to remove him.
208 Democrats voted to remove him while only 8 Republicans voted to remove him.
SPOILER: 8 is not as big as 208.
Tell us a little bit more how you think Democrats had a duty to help keep Kevin McCarthy on as Speaker when his own party wanted him gone. Blaming Democrats for the single party motion to vacate rule? Sure..Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
They deserve whoever comes next, and the Democrats will be whining about how they wish they had someone as reasonable as McCarthy as Speaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Baseless impeachment inquiry, committee chairs uninterested in the rule of law, supporting Santos, waiting to struggle with compromise budget deals, providing January 6th footage to Tucker Carlson and no one else.. The list of reasons why Democrats should have absolutely no reason to support Kevin McCarthy is pretty epic. I think Republicans whining about how they wish they had anyone at all would be more accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Imagine if you had any self awareness at all....Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Jesus.. x2Quote:
committee chairs uninterested in the rule of law
Imagine if Democrats actually did the most basic of opponent research.. he wouldn't even be elected.Quote:
supporting Santos
That's because Democrats have never found a dollar they didn't want to spend.Quote:
waiting to struggle with compromise budget deals
Now THIS I will agree with you on. Release ALL the footage that is left after the Dems went through and destroyed most of the records from their sham committee.Quote:
providing January 6th footage to Tucker Carlson and no one else..
I don't believe anyone is saying Dems should have supported McCarthy.. but they have no one to blame but themselves if they get Jordan as Speaker.Quote:
The list of reasons why Democrats should have absolutely no reason to support Kevin McCarthy is pretty epic. I think Republicans whining about how they wish they had anyone at all would be more accurate.
Meanwhile, the only video footage to be released during Republican control of the House went to Tucker Carlson and strangely enough, a man pulling a fire alarm. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Stabbed in the back… it’s a funny choice words, because it makes no sense here. Did the McCarthy and Democrats have some kind of deal that the Democrats stabbed him in the back on? Was McCarthy some type of house speaker that consistently helped and worked with the Democrats? Or did he pretty tell them Democrats to fuck off, we don’t need you, and do everything without their input, except one time to save face? How can you expect someone to help you, when you’ve done next to nothing? He deserved what he got.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
He worked with the Democrats ONCE not because the Democrats wanted to because he needed to. And of course the Democrats were happy to work with him. He made concessions because he had to.
He made it perfectly clear that this was a one time thing as he said he will not ask the Democrats for any more help, or give the Democrats more concessions, to save his job.
He has consistently stated that he does not want to work with the Democrats, why the fuck would the Democrats care if he speaker or not?
He got kicked out, because of his ego, is that simple, he didn’t think his party was stupid enough to actually do it, he was wrong, and now he’s looking for a scapegoat to blame for his own fuck up. Remember his words? “Bring it on!”? 100% ego.
The only people you should be blaming are Gaetz and his far right wing nut jobs, and McCarthy himself for giving so many concessions to win himself speaker.
A one time thing of him working with the Democrats to save his own skin and his own parties reputation..Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
He has a history of consistently not working with the Democrats and ignoring them. He also consistently does things just to piss off the Democrats. He has said on record that he will not work with the Democrats or give them any concessions to even save his job, or in the future.
That’s not reasonable at all, in the eyes of the Democrats.
The real issue comes down to the foreign aid. Most conservatives are tired of spending abroad when we have so many issues at home and are tired of printing money we don’t have. No matter who is selected this is exactly what is going to be pressed for their votes. Jordan and Gaetz are very conservative which is going to make it harder to get them elected, typically it’s someone more in the middle that can pull the whole party together, but the aid(laundering) to Ukraine and Israel is what will be put on the table to get those last few votes.
This is also why McCarthy was ousted. He worked with the dems against the majority of his party to send more aid to Ukraine after he told people he would reel it in when he was named speaker.
Why is that? Why hasn't all the footage been released?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Tucker showed just a fraction of the amount of footage that is actually available and I'm sure he cherry picked the spots to show.
Release ALL of the footage and let the American public see what actually happened.
Poor Soykern... so confused by numbers and math..Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Except there was no aid to Ukraine in the funding bill. The 6bln was dropped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
The issue is McCarthy only worked with the Democrats because his party couldn’t do shit on their own with majority.
As I see it, the Democrats work together towards a common goal they all share. The Republicans work for their own personal agendas, and don’t give two shits about anyone else, even their own party.
The only thing democrats consider reasonable is "Give us everything we want in exchange for nothing"Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
And your last comment describes exactly what is wrong with the current 2 party system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
OUR Representatives are supposed to work towards the goals of their CONSTIUENTS... not the Party.
The fact the majority of Americans will cut off their own foot, rather than be pragmatic and reasonable when it comes to the governance of the country... and only side with their "side" out of spite for the other... is exactly why we're in this shitshow.
Again - over the past 20 years or so... and especially the last 10... the only Party calling for segregation, censorship, changing US laws and the Constitution is... the Democratic Party.
We have people all across the US actually supporting Hamas - huge rallies of them disregarding the fact that a terrorist attack occurred... If Israel were the size of the US - Had it occurred in the US, it would equate to approximately 30,000 people dead in one day.
I mentioned it for years... the "Left" are the 21st century Brown Shirts... Everyone wonders how Germany became what they did... all you have to do is watch what the "Left" is doing...
Their mental illness has spread to far at this point... the world gets to experience it all over again 80 years later.
Aren't humans great?
McCarthy keeping his job is something, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
The big issue with the Republicans, is I don’t think they even know what they want to do? Or they have an idea, but they can never agree on how to exactly accomplish it. Your party is held hostage by your extreme right in the party.
Oh don’t give me that shit with the left this and left that. It’s funny you claim you aren’t a Republican, but we all know you are. Republicans can care less about what the American people want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaps
Majority of Americans want abortion, Republicans in Congress want to completely remove it.
Majority of Americans still support sending aid to Ukraine, republicans in Congress don’t want to.
Don’t play it off as it’s just the left.
We have rallies across America, on the left and right, over a lot of stupid shit, because frankly the majority of the U.S. population knows absolutely nothing outside their own backyard. It’s called conformity.
I’m a democrat, and I 100% support Israel, and hope they continue to destroy the Gaza Strip.
I don’t think it’s extreme to advocate for congress to have term limits or to get our massive inflationary post-Covid deficit under control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
That being said, there is some truth in your statement. Democrats unify when they absolutely need to. Republicans can’t. It’s a fair criticism and an annoyance.
They can’t unify because it’s the true conservatives who are seeking the gavel when typically it’s someone more moderate who can appeal to everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Eh…abortion is fairly split but most Americans (and most Republicans) just want a compromise of making it illegal after X number of weeks. There are some on the left who wont accept anything less than casual abortion as birth control to be legal until after birth, just as there are some on the right who wont accept anything less than a woman being stoned to death for abortion at any time & for any reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
We all want Ukraine to win, but support in the sense of giving them a blank check is dwindling. They are not NATO and not an ally the same as say Israel. We need to have a clear objective and reasonable limit to our support of Ukraine.
The Democrat party and the left in general have a antisemitic & Israel problem. Yes of course there are some on the far right who hate Jews for reasons of eugenics (disgusting I might add), but that is dwarfed by mass leftist demonstrations all over the world claiming Hamas is justified & advocating for the eradication of Israel.
The big issue with republicans is they're a bunch of spineless cucks. They just happen to still be 84732942730x less cancerous than most democrats. But that doesn't mean they don't still suck major balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Meanwhile, you have ultra tards like Seran who think that all republicans are evil incarnate, and all democrats are everything that is pure and good.
Again... I'm not a Republican... I'm an Independent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Also there is a reason I make sure to say the "Left" when referring to people... and the Democrat Party when referring to their political representatives...
The Democrat Party, and the "Left", are what they are... and any rational person can see they are a destructive force.
The "Left" are not Liberals... they call themselves that, but they are anything but... they think true Liberals, like myself, are "Republican"... just like you. It's sad to watch... and as I said... we get to watch the shit show happen all over again 80 years later.
Also... the fact you just excused a lot of the actions of people because of "conformity"... proves the point I was making... Ignorant dumbasses wed to their Political Party will "conform" and spite their own livelihoods, just to oppose their "opposition".
No one believes at all you’re an independent, you can seriously stop with the bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaps
At least we get shit done!Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
I support quite a lot of Republicans, and I’ve voted Republican before. Both parties have their crazies. AOC and the squad, Boebert, Greene and others on the right.
As for your cited "statistics"... You're wrong of course...
Aid to Ukraine: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...os-2023-10-05/
" Support is falling among Americans of both major political parties for supplying Ukraine with weapons, a warning sign for Kyiv, which relies heavily on U.S. arms to fight against a Russian invasion, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll. The two-day poll, which closed on Wednesday, showed only 41% of respondents agreed with a statement that Washington "should provide weapons to Ukraine," compared to 35% who disagreed and the rest unsure."
Last I checked 41% is not a "majority".
Abortion issue: People can still get abortions... it's not outlawed... it's based upon their ELECTED LEADERS in their STATES. The power in the hands of the PEOPLE is where it's supposed to reside... as opposed to at the Federal Level.
I get your strawman argument talking points though... it's part and parcel for the Democratic Party and the Left.
The fact I'm not what you want me to be, is a you problem... not a me problem. You can keep being delusional, but it doesn't change what, and who, I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Six in 10 continue to support providing economic aid and sending additional arms and military supplies to the Ukrainian government, down slightly from a year ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaps
Continued economic support and military assistance to Ukraine was one of the most contentious issues during the budget showdown on Capitol Hill last week. Congress avoided a government shutdown by passing a temporary spending bill that will fund the government through mid-November but the omission of aid to Ukraine was notable. This happened, in part, because there is a growing rift within the Republican party on the United States’ continued support for Ukraine and a vow taken by many Republicans to oppose any stopgap measures or bills that allocate additional funding for Kyiv.
https://globalaffairs.org/research/p...licans%20agree.
No, I’m not wrong.
Getting the wrong things done, is "getting something done"... I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Quiet funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaps
WHY IS CONGRESS DEBATING WHETHER TO CONTINUE UKRAINE AID?
While public opinion polls show that most Americans still back aid for Ukraine, that support is eroding.
A relatively small but vocal group of Republicans has criticized Ukraine assistance from the start, accusing the government in Kyiv of failing to sufficiently fight corruption, which Ukrainian and U.S. officials deny. They also argue that as the United States faces steep budget deficits, the federal government should be spending money at home or to boost its ability to compete with China.
https://www.reuters.com/world/whats-...id-2023-10-03/
The majority of Americans want us to stop throwing all of our money at the rest of the world and worry about our own shit first, but democrats can't stop being obsessed with dumb shit like Ukraine and supporting millions of illegals with taxpayer money, and now we're apparently funding both Hamas and Israel, as there is a 0% chance that Hamas won't end up with the $100m Biden just announced for Gaza.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdBF_2_oFS8
Biden: "I'm not concerned about the strength of the dollar, I'm concerned about the rest of the world."
^ Why should anyone support that type of thinking? That seems to be the current democrat platform that you happily vote for.
Feel free to dig up the full video if you think that clip is being taken out of context or something.
This isn't true either. Maybe at first, sure, because people are gullible and keep trusting the government, but at this point, Ukraine support only applies to brainwashed retards like Seran.Quote:
Majority of Americans still support sending aid to Ukraine...
You showed a poll showing a "majority".Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
I showed a poll from the same time frame showing a "minority".
Polls can be whatever they want them to be... wouldn't you say?
So since one says one thing, and another says the opposite... wouldn't logic tell you it falls in the middle... which doesn't give either a "majority"?
But hey... all the polls said Hillary Clinton was going to win also...
It's all good though... I know you have some skin in the game over in that part of the world... I get you want the money to keep flowing.
Oh... and to answer your bolded question... because that is what Congress is supposed to do? Debate topics and where American Tax Payer dollars should go? Pretty simple answer, thought you'd know that.
In the states I prefer a weak dollar over a strong dollar, better for our economy, abroad I prefer a strong dollar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaps
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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Independents are really only Republicans who don't know how to spell the word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
When the "shit you get done" is fail and destruction, it's not exactly something to brag about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
I believe Shaps saying he is an Independent.
Solkern, as you previously pointed out and I conceded as fair criticism, the Republicans often don’t follow their campaign promises to constituents that got them elected. Conservatives want smaller federal government as our founding fathers intended. Most Republican politicians talk the talk but don’t walk the walk when they are in office. Some choose to work outside the party to bring about change to correct this misalignment between voters and politicians while others seek to reform from inside. We’re all sick of the NeoCon New World Order types. That’s why Trump gained the Republican nomination in 2016 and won.
You of all people are in no place to talk shit about literally anyone's spelling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l...LCr1qe6uhf.jpg
Why is a weak dollar better for our economy domestically?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
It makes Americans products cheaper to buy, which in turn boost our economy. We sell more than with a strong dollar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Or as https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/publication/FE546# puts it:
A weak US dollar increases the demand for exported commodities, which may increase domestic revenues. A weak US dollar increases the price of imported commodities, which allows locally-produced commodities a better chance to compete in the domestic market.
Or as investopedia puts it:
An international traveler might harbor for a strong domestic currency because that would make travel to Europe inexpensive. But the downside is a strong currency can exert significant drag on the economy over the long term, as entire industries are rendered noncompetitive and thousands of jobs are lost. While some might prefer a strong currency, a weak currency can result in more economic benefits.
Yeah I’m aware of the basic principles and I agree with you if you’re in the business of exports, but overall a weak dollar does more harm to our economy than it does good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
BTW: I’m currently in mandatory Regulation K training for work, and it’s making my eyes glaze over.
That’s not necessarily true, both a strong dollar and a weak dollar have positive and negative influence on the economy overall but in my opinion a weaker dollar is more beneficial to the economy than a stronger dollar. But nothing is universally agreed on and it’s all up for debate. We are the number 2 exporter in the world, and our entire economy benefits from a weaker dollar, also including tourism, a weaker dollar brings more tourist, and makes domestic tourism for Americans more attractive as well, thus increasing our economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Oh god I did that training a while back, I feel so sorry for you right now.
McHenry is going to stay speaker until January, they’ll pass the spending bills and more money for Ukraine/Israel in the short term. Kick the can.
We’re also the number 1 importer in the world and have been a net importer for decades, but fair enough. There are indeed pros and cons to both. I’d still argue that for the average US consumer, a strong dollar is much more beneficial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
A stronger dollar makes domestically produced and sold items, more expensive than imported ones, how is that beneficial to the economy? It skews the market in favor of imported products.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
A weaker dollar = more jobs, and expanded business, while a stronger currency means less domestic jobs, and tighter monetary policies within companies.
A strong dollar is more beneficial to consumers generally, as a lower base cost for goods and the transportation therein is more likely to be passed on to consumers due to retailer competition in a cost plus environment. Since we source so much of our materials overseas, cheaper input costs for domesticly consumed products may help balance the scales however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Conversely, a weak dollar does produce more demand overseas, but where automation is frequently surplanting manufacturing jobs that may see profit sharing or bonuses. Meanwhile, the additional expense of importing foreign made goods absolutely will get passed on to consumers.
Americans consume far more overseas sourced products than we do those manufactured domestically, so I believe a strong dollar is more beneficial overall.
That’s not necessary true that it makes domestic products produced and sold more expensive. In many cases we are importing the raw materials to make those products, and having a strong dollar can (potentially) make them cheaper when sold domestically. It most definitely makes those exported products more expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Generally and broadly speaking, a strong dollar hurts foreigners, export companies, and corporations with a large footprint abroad. Since our economy is generally built around US consumers & that we are a net importer, the pros outweigh the cons for having a strong dollar.
Today must be a cold day in hell or something for me to agree (mostly) with a Seran post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Edit: Now you have me doubting my own position and thinking Solkern might be right. :rofl:
That's a fucking conundrum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
On one hand.. you are agreeing with Seran... which is troubling enough...
On the other hand.. Solkern would be right if Seran is not.
Holy fuck... your head must be spinning.
I do not envy your position.
Im not sure it was Seran that actually posted it. I think he passed his phone to someone to type out a coherent response.
Full steam ahead…Quote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
Agreed and I thought the same, but even if that is the case we should encourage him to continue doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
That was legitimately funny. Solkern isn't far off though, depends on your personal belief how much materials or finish products get marked up, so it can be slightly subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Actually not really, America has some of the lowest import tax in the world and it has been for a long time. While countries that America exports too, are much much higher, and who do you think pays this, to keep our products competitive in the foreign markets? Sadly the company does, hence we do. Companies make less money when the dollar is stronger, which means they spend less on labor and other things. It’s common knowledge that a weaker dollar increases the labor force in America, which brings more jobs, and more money, which drives and fuels our economy. It’s common knowledge that a stronger dollar tightens monetary policies, doesn’t create jobs, and hurts our economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Sure we have some of the lowest import tax in the world and sure our businesses compete globally. That also drives competition in our domestic market and focuses American businesses into what we do really well, quality services & innovation. Paying our laborers comparatively more than the rest of the world isn’t a net negative either. Speaking of fueling our economy, despite being a net exporter of energy since 2019 we still very much rely on foreign oil sources. A strong dollar helps us there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
We’ll just have to disagree on which is best for America, but agree there are pros and cons to each.
Honestly it really just depends on how you view the economy and what you think are the most important factors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Oil is also pegged to the dollar, and most oil countries such as OPEC, their currencies are pegged to the U.S. dollar. So oil prices don’t change how you think based on the value of the dollar, and it has no influence on its price, as in a weaker dollar won’t make oil more expensive and vice versa.
Gotta remember, other countries currencies are pegged to our dollar. That is a huge reason why a weaker dollar in my opinion is more beneficial domestically
Any forecasts on how badly Jordan is going to lose today's Speakership vote? They canceled the last one because it looked so bad for him, I imagine if they go through today he'll have two few votes at minimum.
Are you saying he will have "too" votes at a minimum or "two"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I realize they sound the same.. but just so you know, they have different meanings.
You should have Soykern rename this thread "Problems Seran has with simple math and the English language"
Wow, I was wrong he lost five additional votes this go around and only got 194. Fucking loser ought to see the writing on the wall and drop out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran