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Really? That's like all I've seen him do the past couple of years :/Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Bothers me as much as it bothered the Democrats when they bitched at Bush doing it. Bush went ahead and quit playing golf while he was president due to the flak.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
LOL. Remember when Bush used to go to his ranch and the Dems bitched about him constantly taking vacations?Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
On a side note.. I don't care if the Pres plays golf. Frankly, it's better then him making policies. That being said.. if you combine his campaign time with his golf time... and subtract it from how long he has been president.. He has been president for only like 2 years.
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Originally Posted by Tgo01
You both know it's bullshit but continue to spew it then wonder why I said "your bias is showing".Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
The truth is bullshit now? Are you on crack dude? :/Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Are you saying Dems did NOT bitch about Bush "vacationing" and playing golf?Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
As for my "Bias" if you didn't know, I hate most politicians. So if hating pretty much all politicians is biased.. you got me.
I'm thinking we'll see the BRIC's stick together so I'm not expecting Chinese neutrality. India is on the horns of a dilemma though. I can't believe they are more comfortable throwing in with China and Russia against the USA. Brazil seems to be supporting Russia so far. That's not too surprising. They don't seem all that attached to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by RojoDisco
Almost as if Obama's apology tour did nothing :OQuote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
This is a weird thing people say. Since you offered: yes, that is the dictionary definition of biased.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
Wrong again, Terry. In the President's visit to Brazil he visited the famous Huggy Jesus statue, which with him being a Muslim is obviously a huge affront.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Hey hey hey! We have never scientifically concluded that I've been wrong even once much less wrong "again." Check your statistics then get back to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
Ze new Comical Ali, comrades. This guy should get a job at Fox.
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Moscow (AFP) - A leading anchor on Russian state television on Sunday described Russia as the only country capable of turning the United States into "radioactive ash", in an incendiary comment at the height of tensions over the Crimea referendum.
Kiselyov made the comment to support his argument that the United States and President Barack Obama were living in fear of Russia led by President Vladimir Putin amid the Ukraine crisis.
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He stood in his studio in front of a gigantic image of a mushroom cloud produced after a nuclear attack, with the words "into radioactive ash".
"Americans themselves consider Putin to be a stronger leader than Obama," he added, pointing to opinion polls which then popped up on the screen.
"Why is Obama phoning Putin all the time and talking to him for hours on end?" he asked.
Kiselyov has earned a reputation as one of Russia's most provocative television news hosts, in particularly with his often blatantly homophobic remarks.
But he is also hugely influential with his weekly news show broadcast at Sunday evening prime time.
Putin last year appointed Kiselyov head of the new Russia Today news agency that is to replace the soon to be liquidated RIA Novosti news agency with the aim of better promoting Russia's official position.
"Kiselyov made the comment to support his argument that the United States and President Barack Obama were living in fear of Russia led by President Vladimir Putin amid the Ukraine crisis." - Well it's certainly not the opposite.
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I wonder why we haven't heard from Edward Snowden and Julian Assange lately.
I guess people don't give a fuck what you do these days as long as you aren't recording their phone conversations!
Snowden has been busy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIhS9aB-qgUQuote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Assange too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMZzPCFJ8xw
I have a 3GB spreadsheet detailing the ways you've been wrong... but my computer crashed trying to open it. You win this round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
He's one letter swap away from being Kissy-Love. That's a little MSNBC for Fox's tastes.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
What are those videos all about? I got through like 30 seconds of each one and just had to close them.
We've heard from both recently. Snowden just addressed SXSW. Assange did too. A week or so ago Assange said more damaging leaks were on the way since Obama didn't listen to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
We're not living in fear of Putin. There's not much he can do to hurt the West that won't hurt him more. That's why he's barking so much and we're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
Their most recent public engagements @ SXSW. The summary is that the US Government is bad and hates you and your freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
He's not barking. He's biting. We're barking.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
State run media re-assuring the population that they can reduce the U.S.A. to nuclear ash sounds like a lot of barking to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
So we let them. No idea what business we think we have over there. Are there WMD's in Ukraine? Perhaps Ukraine is harboring Bin Laden. No wait, it's the Ukrainian oil we're after, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by RojoDisco
Actually there's an agreement in place that requires the US and pretty much all of Europe (including Russia) to help protect the Ukraine against foreign invasions on their territory. This was signed to convince Ukraine to give up their nuclear weapons and is exactly why Ukraine didn't want to give it up.
Now I'm certainly not saying there aren't natural resources we want but there is an agreement that actually requires us to take action that was in place well before any of this happened.
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"Why is Obama phoning Putin all the time and talking to him for hours on end?" he asked.
Hot world leader-on-world leader phone sex action?
Diplomatic action, at most. It was basically just a promise from Russia that they wouldn't re-annex their former territory if Ukraine gave up their weapons. Of course, all that changed when Russia claimed that the Ukrainian gov't is no longer legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by irfuji
Russia had it's finger's crossed when that all happened.
Now we have to basically resort to yelling "No take backsies!"
There really is ever only two options in regards to involvement... fuck em all, and don't do a damn thing. Or intercede. Honestly, they first is why WW II lasted as long as it did. The second is why most countries really don't like us.
Some people keep claiming we are living in different times, and we must think globally. Then these are the same people that say we shouldn't get involved in other people's affairs. (Syria and now Ukraine) Putin won't stop at Crimea. The fact that he has troops in Ukraine outside Crimea just shows that. Crimea can't support itself. It needs water and power at least. So what will Putin do? He will extend his reach within Ukraine citing his need to ensure that the people of Crimea have the resources they need to survive. Saying something along the lines of "Will you let these people starve? Will you let them live without power and water?"
He already knows he can do just about anything he wants, and EU and U.S. will not risk a conflict over it. So within 2 years, Ukraine will all be Russia. What is the EU going to do.. stop using Russia's Oil and Gas? Sanctions... they are working WONDERS in Iran. I mean, Iran stopped enriching Uranium as soon as we told them to or else.... oh wait. Frankly, the only thing we COULD do is honestly threaten real war if he continues. That certainly won't happen.
Our inaction with Georgia set the stage, and Syria drove home the point.
Secretary of State John Kerry on Friday warned of pending sanctions against Russia for its invasion of Ukraine; he gave Putin an ultimatum to halt the aggression by Monday or “serious things will happen.”
Kerry then proceeded to strike additional fear into Putin’s heart by saying talk of sanctions was not “a threat,” nor anything “personal,” of course.
“We hope President Putin will recognize that none of what we’re saying is meant as a threat, it’s not meant in a personal way.
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It is meant as a matter of respect for the international, multilateral structure that we have lived by since World War II, and for the standards of behavior about annexation, about succession, about independence, and how countries come about it.”
One can only wonder how well Vladimir Putin slept Friday night, having laughed himself to sleep.
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/03/121569-issa/
Hmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
140% of Crimeans Voted to Join Russia. Ha ha.
http://www.duffelblog.com/2014/03/crimea-vote-russia/
What about Chechnya? Even though I'm peronally okay with Russia handling that, did anyone bitch about the President anytime Russia has gone buckwild there? And I could've sworn we had some activity in Georgia when all that was going down. In this case, we've got unarmed SF guys wandering around the country with cameras and no guns. Just how much of this is our business?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
You're a Republican and a soldier. Do you support assisting nutty Muslim terrorists against a repressive dictator or not? Personally, I'd like to see Russia not get a free pass to becoming Nazi Germany 2.0 but I don't see Obama's policies as any different at all from our most recent Republican's policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
Personally, the best move would be tapping the Strategic Oil Reserve to lower prices but no President of either party would do it because we're scared of OPEC. If Obama was smart, he'd get OPEC on board because a number of them dislike Russia too and they could appreciate some strategic deals with a desperate Ukraine.
I don't think I'm a republican. And after the whole Beslan thing, I don't blame Russia at all for any response. And I agree with the opec statement. "But we're exporting more now than we ever have."Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
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Originally Posted by Warriorbird
Is this what you're talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
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The Obama administration plans to sell 5 million barrels, or less than 1 percent of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, calling the move a test of the petrol distribution system. The last time this happened was in August 1990 before the first Gulf War. ... The government rejected a connection with the turmoil in Ukraine or other geopolitical events.
It's a warning shot. An actual move would be far greater.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Dems have said numerous times that we're exporting more of our oil than ever before. It's one of those silly lines used while protesting the whole Keystone Pipeline thing. I do find it interesting that this treaty with Ukraine from back in the 1990's means NATO should technically have troops on the ground backing up Ukraine and now we're seeing sanctions on 11 people? If I was Putin, I'd almost be encouraged to continue down the path I was on. And yeah, I caught the whole "reduced the USA to ash," thing, good times.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
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The option of staying with Ukraine was not on the referendum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
It was only (A) independent & (B) join Russia
I don't understand your point. Are we becoming a net exporter of fossil fuels? Is it sustainable? How does it fit into our goals for energy independence? Are these the questions you're raising and how does it play into the situation in the Ukraine?Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
Well, that accounts for the 100% tally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlanteax
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/47317505.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
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Originally Posted by cwolff
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Originally Posted by Warriorbird
I was responding to this.
So looks like Russia is going to stop just short of out-right annexing Crimea ... and is recognizing independence along the lines of the two breakaway regions in Georgia where Russian troops are.Quote:
Russian President Vladimir Putin signed an order to recognize Crimea as a sovereign and independent state, RT reported March 17.
No, I believe that is a step towards annexing it. They aren't annexing Ukraine territory, they are annexing a sovereign state that decided to join them.
Right. "independant"
This is what happens when anti government protestors don't think things through. ... and they all laughed at me when I said I hated protestors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
I think protesters here versus protesters over there are completely different things. We have Occupy, they have people getting shot by snipers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ker_Thwap
Let's not bicker and argue over who sniped who.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
You can't triple stamp a double stamp! You can't triple stamp a double stamp! Vlad! Vlad!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
I like it when people use definite endpoints. See you in a couple years! :)Quote:
So within 2 years, Ukraine will all be Russia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y34RlJ0L0xEQuote:
Originally Posted by Ker_Thwap
My bad, let me rephrase. 2 years if Hillary Losses in 2016, otherwise within 6 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
That's probably the best thing about conversations on these boards, everyone gets the Python humor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
On a side note.. with all the Christian killing and bashing in Iran..
Why don't we just pull a Russia, and invade Iran with the intent of Protecting it's "Christians".
The people Russia is protecting aren't even Russians. They speak Russian, and are of Russian decent but are Ukrainian citizens. So... why didn't they just move to Russia?
What is the per capita rate of Christian killing and bashing in Iran?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
Why bash Christians when you can feed them to lions. Does the bashing tenderize the meat?
Ugh, uncooked Christian is so gamy. The civilized thing to do is use them as torches, then feed them to lions in the morning.
They taste like guilt. YUK!Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
What was the Per Capita rate of Russian Speaking Ukrainians being killed or or bashed in Crimea?Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
Your criteria are off. You've got the correct theory for U.S. imperialism but when we do it we say things like "The next smoking gun could be in the form of a mushroom cloud", and "we got to fight them there, so we don't have to fight 'em here".Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
I wish Reagan were still president. Even from his coffin he would get Putin to back down and would have all of Europe and Asia watching American football and drinking beer and singing Yankee Doodle dandy.
Well.. it's more about the citizens of America. We as citizens no longer have balls. We are like the guy walking down the street that sees someone getting beat up, so he crosses to the other side to avoid it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Maybe that's progress tho compared to a guy asking the guy getting beat if he needs help, and getting rid of the attacker.
I have no idea, which is why I didn't say something like "with all the RSU killing and bashing in Crimea". Will you answer the question now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
At the risk of involving myself in this discussion in a serious way. How can you pick a good guy in this contest? It's just all sorts of gray to me. We have a mob of good looking young people overthrowing a democratically elected leader. Should we side with the cheerful mob, or with DEMOCRACY? Then a powerful neighboring state is all, but our military, economic and sympathetic interests in the area, are in the thrall of these anarchists! Then the Crimean Russian speaking folk are like, let's get all "tyranny of the majority" on your ass to the ethnic minorities in that area. We voted, it's democracy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
I'm not convinced I like that actions of ANY party over in that area, it's not so easy to take sides.
That's the beauty of it, there doesn't NEED to be any. We can just fabricate it. Altho Iran does have a number of Pastors on death's row for preaching Christianity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
Actually, there are lots of Christian deaths in the middle east tho. More so in other countries, simply cause we don't hear about it in Iran doesn't mean it isn't there. That's why we need to invade.. I mean, intervene. To find out.
So, wait, you're advocating an invasion of Iran AND the Ukraine? At the tail end of a 13 year long war? Either of which could or probably will trigger a shooting war with Russia?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
People say this stuff all the time and it's always wrong. We didn't have The Balls to get into WWII until we got attacked. We had to use the Lusitania sinking to get into WWI. We faked Gulf of Tonkin to muster the will to get into Vietnam heavily. Remember the Maine? I don't but I heard about it. Guess what. We faked that shit too just to try to rile up the citizens to go to war with Spain. No, we have a long history of having no balls (as you say) which is why we've always needed something to push us into a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
We're also not a nation of pussies on a more personal level. Look at all these young people we had fighting in places like Fallujah. No one can say that those kids were all pussified because they got a participation trophy for little league football.
So what you are saying that if in our country there were protests over how horrible the country was being run, and Obama decided to step down even though he was democratically elected, any new Government would be a fraud?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ker_Thwap
I think what Ukraine should do now, since it's obvious they lost Crimea, is block it off. Cut off water, power, roads, shipping, flights, trains, and bridges to Crimea. Tell them, well fuck you all, if you are Russian, ask Russia for that stuff. Revoke their passports and bar them from entering Ukraine for life.
I'm saying nature abhors a vacuum.
That seems a neighborly thing to do, why don't you suggest it to them.
We don't need to invade Ukraine. Hell, they didn't fight when Russia invaded them. We can just show up. (sarcasm)Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
As for Iran, Personally, I just wish we could put a forcefield around the ENTIRE middle east, or figure a way to send that entire area into another dimension. Nothing we do there will ever be right, period. 99% of Iran could rise up and try to overthrow Iranian government, begging for our help. We would help, and then 5 years later they would burn our flag and say how evil we are. It's just their nature.
Other then that, we need to stop Iran from getting Nukes. Period. If that takes a war, then I think that would be a good thing. No Sane person can ever think Iran having nukes could be a good thing.
That's that whole story right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ker_Thwap
uh? Are you serious? You need to read up on the Mid East. We're in no way innocent of the shit going down over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
That's not true at all. If it were, then most of you people would be trying to figure out why my head hasn't imploded.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Did I say we were innocent?Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
-rereads his post-
Nope, I don't see where I said we were innocent.
I see what you're saying. "Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke" Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
See you have to understand. You're only allowed to interpret anybody's words if you're one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Human nature is fickle and petty, yes. But interventionism still works better than the alternative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
Worked okay for the relationship between us and the USSR, and they were full godless. At least Iranians have a god, even if it's not the right one (white Jesus).Quote:
Other then that, we need to stop Iran from getting Nukes. Period. If that takes a war, then I think that would be a good thing. No Sane person can ever think Iran having nukes could be a good thing.
Now, even I worship Putin.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
It was only a matter of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Ya know... I find it funny, no, absurd, that right wing extremists worship Putin then call liberals communists. Hypocrite much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
Or bitch about our imperial dictator Obama, then deride him for his mom pants. The dialogue is so insane that laughing and crying become one. We've reached the singularity of nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Not that I don't think Obama is not a dictator but I don't see how being a dictator and wearing mom pants are mutually exclusive.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
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Originally Posted by Tgo01
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multim...8__273890c.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Tweets from Deputy Prime Minister of Russia. Ha!
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I'd love for you to post some of these right wing extremists worshiping Putin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Since you can't thou, I'll just laugh at you instead.
LOL
It's already been posted.
Obama's reply:Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
"But...but we pushed that 'reset' button!"
Dictators knew how to dress back then. Maybe the World really is going to shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by RojoDisco
Obama didn't look into Putins soul. That superpower may only belongs to evangelicals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Someone posted clips of "Right Wing Extremists" worshiping Putin?Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
I never saw any. Link me.
I'd love to see where he got his "60% of the country thinks it's literally true".Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
I didn't even think 60% of the country was Christian anymore.
Hell, even the film company has said that the movie isn't the bible story. But it's just that a Story.
Stories are supposed to tell a message, not be literally true.
Like when big Liberals tell little liberals that they are right and conservatives are all racist and bigots. It's not true, it's just a story they tell them to get a message across.
The people telling us to argue are the real problem.
Wait.. did you mean to post that in "Dumb things Liberals Say"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
if so, yes I agree with you.
On a side note.. does anyone else think the UN is starting to get a bit ... well stupidly useless.
Russia invades Ukraine.
UN votes to denounce Russia.
Russia Vetoes the vote.
All is well.
Kinda would be like if someone gets arrested for murder in the US, and put on trial, and the Murderer goes, I veto this trial.
Then they let him go.
Maybe the country in question shouldn't be allowed to vote?
I think the shark was jumped when they put this fellow on the Security Council.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...49_306x547.jpg
I like turtlesQuote:
Originally Posted by RojoDisco
Turkey has historical tensions with Russia, nevermind the onus to put on a strong domestic/regional appearance on behalf of the Crimea Tatars as Turkey is striving to be 'the leader' of the Islamic / MiddleEastern region (as it was during the Ottoman Empire).Quote:
Originally Posted by RojoDisco
I can't get past that guy looking like one of the people from Whoville.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV...640_SY720_.jpg
Why is it better to sanction powerless people than to target sanctions on the powerful? Sanctioning the general population of Russia just reinforces Putin's anti-American narrative.
Yep, Turkey is pretty much impotent as for being able to mount any resistance to the Russians for the near future. It is a situation of 'bad timing' as pre-Erdogan, Turkey would had been able to be more assertive. However, it is fortunate that the secular forces in Turkey are containing and even rolling back Erdogan's agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by RojoDisco
So I guess there are fire fights between people in Russian uniforms and the Ukrainian troops in Simferopol now.
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Originally Posted by waywardgs
When it comes to raising their kids mothers are supposed to be dictators until the age of reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
That's the rumor. A few dead is what the Russians are saying. I have no idea what the truth is yet. But I am sure somewhere, someone is yelling, "Wolverines!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Keller
Ukrainian soldiers serving in Crimea have been authorized to use their weapons to defend themselves, according to the acting Ukrainian president's press service.
The order comes only hours after a Ukrainian serviceman was shot and killed on Tuesday at a Ukrainian base that came under attack in Crimea's main town of Simferopol and acting Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk said the Crimean conflict has now entered a "military phase."
Vladislav Seleznyov, speaking to Reuters by telephone from Crimea, said one serviceman at the base had died of his wounds. A second man, a captain, was injured.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraini...dent-1.2577236
The Russians will claim that the masked men are not their men, they are simply Concerned Crimean Citizens. cause.. you know.. everyday concerned citizens have full military gear and weapons/ammo.
What do you think is the purpose of the UN?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
As far as I can tell the purpose is to suck up billions of dollars in a quest for the never ending bickering and stalling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
And to create obscene amounts of likely useless paperwork and random diplomatic actions that accomplish nothing. And to push climate change!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Consider that 4 of the 5 deadliest battles in history occurred from 1941 to 1945 between Germany and Russia, losses of life that make the Middle East look like kindergarten. Just two of those battles caused more death than every war in the Middle East in the past 100 years combined... but the great powers of Europe have been at peace for 70 years. Coincidence? Or does the bickering and stalling work?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
You attribute that to the UN and not the trillions of dollars the US has spent in military funding to ensure everyone plays nice?Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
Get off my planet!
Nah, it was obviously the Geneva Convention that everyone adheres to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
This is really poor trolling on your part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
I think he actually believes that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlanteax
I think MAD helped to ensure peace... Just a little bit. We have had several proxy wars instead.
Typical liberal mush headed thinking. You can't spend your way out of a recession, how could you spend your way out of a war? QED, Terry. QED.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Call it whatever you like, is it incorrect?Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlanteax
Pretty sure this is the actual reason. MAD tends to make everyone pay a little more attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
The UN has done good work for refugees. The rest? Ehhh.
"The fact that we are here today with a very weak Russia - having had the entirety of the Ukraine turn away from Russia and towards the EU and having to have engaged in a panicky reaction of invasion - is a result, in part, of the United States strength on this issue. Standing with the protesters throughout that difficult period of time at the end of last year and the beginning of this year." - Democrat Senator Chris Murphy (Conn)
So Putin is so afraid that Obama had secured Ukraine’s EU-centric future, that he freaked out, overcame his fears, ignored all that supposed 'strength', and invaded? Uh...what?
Ya that's about the sum of it. The Ukraine wouldn't have had the kind of civil unrest that topples a Russian leaning government if they all wanted to get closer to Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
Yeah, like when they were collapsing in the 80s and freaked out so they did this-Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnTn1LSG9Zo
Damn. How did I never hear of that game? Also, why was a guy running towards the fight with an American Flag like it was the revolution? hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Heh, that game was so awesome. I wish they made a sequel or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
I don't know why he was though. They do it in all those things where the US is under heavy attack and stuff. Maybe he'll get a MoH.
"Comrade Obama, what should those who have neither accounts nor property abroad do? Have you not thought about it?" Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin tweeted. "I think the decree of the President of the United States was written by some joker."
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03...cmp=latestnews
Oh, it was, Comrade. It was.
YOu're late. Already psted it like it yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrathbringer
It bore repeating. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
It was pretty funny. Poor engrish and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrathbringer
So has Obama's golf game improved at all since this Ukraine crises broke out?
Probably a little.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3131143/posts
Hey, glad to see a world crisis doesn't deter Obama from going on vacation and playing golf.
I don't see the big deal. With how technology is now, he doesn't need to be sitting in the Office to be working. He does have a very stressful job, and he does need to relieve that stress in some way. His people are watching the happenings and if something major occurs, I bet he'd be all up in it instantly.
And this is for any US President.
The Germans and Russians individually ordered their soldiers to fight to the last bullet, to the last man in World War 2. Assured destruction didn't faze them then, why would it faze them coming from America? And I will remind you that America has been presided over by weak Democrats for the majority of those 70 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
You don't bring a knife to a gun fight, and you don't bring an American to a Russian fight. Logically, the only thing that has kept us safe from the Russians is the Russians sitting on the Security Council.
It did. Soviet Russia under Stalin was a lot different from Soviet Russia under the following premiers. Not to mention they were both already actively involved in Total War with each other. Who pulled the trigger first in that war? The Nazis did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
Read some Soviet accounts during the Cold War. They were just as scared of being nuked into oblivion as we were. They didn't want it anymore then we did.
Can Obummer play golf while at the same time making us even more globally irrelevant? YES, HE CAN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
I can't pass up the chance to give Democrats shit after all the shit they gave Bush. I still hear them whining every once in a while about how Bush didn't jump up and grab a rifle and spring into action when he first heard about the Twin Towers being attacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
I suppose it is a little payback.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Nukes, dude. Triton Submarines and nukes. MAD didn't mean shit until then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
And the advent of ICBMs and us having nuclear armed B52s in the air 24/7.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
We do? That's kind of a scary thought :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
A Triton holds what? 72 Warheads? There are probably two dozen of them, half of which are parked somewhere in ocean at any given time. Planes can be shot down but subs are invisible until they start using their radios and launching missiles. It's our best nuclear deterrent at this time, more nukes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
We don't keep the B52s up anymore, but during the Cold War, yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Don't think the President of Moldova gets a vote in whether Russia takes their land or not. LOL
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CHISINAU (Reuters) - The president of ex-Soviet Moldova warned Russia on Tuesday against considering any move to annex his country's separatist Transdniestria region in the same way that it has taken control of Crimea in Ukraine.
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Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
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Originally Posted by Atlanteax
Yep, quite off the mark as to why Europe has been at peace for 70 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
Now that's funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Poor Moldova, not even the landing grabbing Russians want their land.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Moldova to world: "Hey...we still exist! Remember! Remember? Please?"
Answer me this, you know so much: has Rush Limbaugh ever denied starting World War 2? Rush Limbaugh, who freely admits he is of German ancestry? Can you think of a more potent sleeper agent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Phoenicians 2:30-32: I'm telling you lad, when King Triton gets mad... how the waves will rock, rock to and fro... hold on, good luck! as down you go!Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadtheWay
Aha, but Europe hasn't been at peace. Only the great powers have; that is, those European nations with a major role in the United Nations. We didn't nuke any part of Yugoslavia, and there were even brown people there. It therefore stands to reason we wouldn't nuke France either, and the French have just as long a history of bloodthirstiness as the Germen, but they haven't waged war on any other great power. If not the UN, why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlanteax
Yo momma?Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
My mother has a much smaller audience than Rush Limbaugh.
In bed.
You know the best piece of gear in the French army? A rear view mirror so they can watch the battle. The last time the French army did something really meaning full was the American Revolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
I get sad about history education in America when I see posts like this. Who exactly did you forget?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeril
Hey! Napoleon was Corsican! Who cares that France ruled most of Europe for a decent period of time in the 1800s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
What exactly do you mean, who am I forgetting? Forgetting about what? You saying the French Army has done something meaningful since then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
Uh, yeah. It has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeril
I wonder why I always think that happened before. Maybe the order they teach things in, maybe I'll remember this time, but that still doesn't help the cause of France, 1815 was 199 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Napoleon III conquered Mexico and installed his relative as Emperor in direct contradiction and as a big fuck you to the US.
Going from the starting point on this list and down I'd say their military has done quite a bit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...olonial_Empire
Are we talking about wars or engagements? The French have won several important engagements.
Did you get that avatar off that cracked article?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
.... I plead the 5th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
I will have to question your mother, Lady Liberty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
That is some interesting reading. And don't feel bad about history education WB, my last history class was over a decade ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Hell, my history education in High School sucked. Most of the stuff I know is stuff I learned on my own time, with a few things thrown in from college. In High School, they pretty much covered the Napoleonic Wars in one day and covered the War of 1812 for most of the week.
I try to do better. I even teach the Napoleonic Wars in connection to WW1, but damn if this last 9 weeks we didn't miss like four of them because of snow. Not much I can teach them when they're not here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
And fair enough, Jeril. I thought you were like seven or eight years younger than that.
Yeah, I know it isn't the fault of my teachers in High School. They only had so much time to teach stuff that would be on the standardized tests we would have to take... And those tests are pretty much a big deal for the schools. I also understand the need for standardization, I just don't like the way they do it. And I don't really know of a better way either, I guess.
People rarely seem to get my age right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
There are better ways. The problem is both political parties are idiotic about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Will not be long until the Crimea is overwhelmingly (75%+) Russian in citizenship.Quote:
Ukraine: Crimea Seeks To Relocate Tatars
Crimea will ask Tatars living in the breakaway region to vacate land where they now live, a Crimean official said March 19, RIA Novosti reported.
http://www.frickmeout.com/wp-content...to-300x336.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeril
So those marks put on the doorways of Tatar houses at night weren't just a scare tactic. :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlanteax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deporta...Crimean_Tatars
Check out the last sentence of the article: "On March 11, 2014 the Crimean parliament recognized the deportation of Crimean Tatars as a tragic fate."
Another 'interesting' tidbit..
While Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was negotiating with US officials over Ukraine last week ... he excused himself to phone Putin for further guidance/instructions (not unusual)
Putin refused to take the call (which surprised the Obama administration)
So would seem to suggest that Putin 'already had his mind made up' ?
Meanwhile...
This on the heels of the previous one that left one Ukrainian and one Russian soldier dead.Quote:
Russia: Forces Take 2nd Ukrainian Naval Base In Crimea
Russian forces took control of a second Ukrainian naval base in western Crimea on March 19, AFP reported.
Guess despite authorization, the Ukrainians did not fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lp9-_SmnX4
edit: I know, I know, it's mostly about the Olympics....but still. I thought it was still fitting.
Moscow just announced that it will change it's stance over Iran Nukes due to the Ukraine thing.
They haven't said specifically what yet, still waiting for that.
But if they are going to say Iran can have nukes if the West doesn't let them have Ukraine... I personally think we should order the bombers to take flight and go to Defcon 1 and ask Putin if he wants to reconsider.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/...an-nuke-talks/
Wonder if Ukraine military will attempt force ... but a lot of their forces are in the Crimea and are effectively blockaded.Quote:
Ukraine: Interim President Delivers Ultimatum To Crimean Leaders
Oleksandr Turchynov, the parliament speaker and interim president of Ukraine, has given Crimean officials only a few hours to release hostages and end provocations or face "adequate measures," Interfax-Ukraine reported March 19.
Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 12:59
This. Without at least a threat of force, diplomacy is never taken seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
I agree to an extent. The ability to use force (actually having some significant military capability) and signaling the readiness to use force is a prerequisite to true diplomacy. The threat or actual implementation of economic sanctions can only go so far, as history and present day demonstrates. As Theodore Roosevelt once said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick."Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
Saw this and laughed. A little.
Attachment 6286
Sadly, the Syrian fiasco showed the world that Obama doesn't have any balls at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
BTW.. where are we with ridding Syria of it's chemical weapons? How's that going? Cwolff.. wana chime in?
You'd have complained about Obama no matter what he did.Quote:
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Voluntarily or via Impressment?Quote:
Russia: Armed Forces Absorb Ukrainian Military Officers
Russian President Vladimir Putin on March 20 signed a decree outlining the recognition of military ranks for Ukrainian officers transferring to serve in Russia's armed forces, Voice of Russia reported.
Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 05:24
No shit. These guys shit their pants when Obama talked tough on Syria. They were all like; He can't do that, he has to go to congress! I'm not fighting for Syria. wah wah wah!Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
When did Obama ever "talk tough on Syria"? And of course he'd have to go through Congress, he's a president not a dictator. Same with this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Obama talked tough. lulzQuote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
I just Googled "Obama's tough talk on Syria" and here are the first page results headlines:
Obama, Putin face tough talks on Syria at G8 summit
Obama considers tougher action against Syria
Obama, in Russia, braces for tough talks on Syria at G-20
Obama Backs Down From Tough Talk Against Syria
Elsewhere: Village's Hasidic row, Obama's tough talk
Obama: No More 'Tough Talk and Bluster' on Iran
Obama, Netanyahu prepare for tough talks | World
Obama and Putin put on a happy face during appearance at
Obama's tough talk v. Reagan's tough actions
Obama Backs Down From Tough Talk Against Syria
Looks like the toughest part for Obama was talking with other world leaders. It's completely understandable though. When people disagree with him back home he can just call them racists and move on, can't exactly do that to other world leaders.
So.. Russia's market tanked 10%. I bet that has more people worried than troops on the ground.
Obama should release more oil. He could get Putin shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Speak softly and carry a big stick?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
W
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Tupac in the Kremlin
How the martyred king of gangsta rap, a bisexual LSD-touting beat poet, and a reclusive alcoholic painter inspire a Moscow apparatchik.
BY WHITNEY KASSEL MARCH 20, 2014
When Putin's senior advisor Vladislav Surkov learned of the U.S. sanctions being levied against him in response to Russia's annexation of Crimea, he responded: "The U.S. I am interested in is*Tupac Shakur, Allen Ginsberg, and Jackson Pollock. I don't need a visa to access their work. So I lose nothing." *
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...nsberg_pollock
I really hope you're kidding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Obama is more like "Speak in circles and hope shit happens you can take credit for"
This bank sounds fucked. It's basically shut off from any portion of the U.S. system. I wonder how many of their banks we can cripple by doing this.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-crippled...100000133.htmlQuote:
He may not take shirtless horseback rides across the steppes, or have a black belt in judo, but on Thursday, President Obama sent a message to Russian president Vladimir Putin about strength. Specifically, economic strength.
The message was this: Whenever I decide to, I can pick up a pen, and kill a significant financial institution in your country.
"Bank Rossiya is not the largest bank in Russia by a long shot, but its significance lies in its clientele rather than its size. In announcing the sanctions, the Treasury Department noted that Bank Rossiya “is the personal bank for senior officials of the Russian Federation” including members of the Ozero Dacha Cooperative, an exclusive community where members of Putin’s inner circle live. In addition, it provides financial services to the single largest segment of the Russian economy – the oil, gas, and energy sector."
Sounds like a shrewd move.
Other than Reagan running the Soviet Union out of money I don't think we've had a President do anything else since Eisenhower.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnticorRifling
Pigs get fed, but hogs get slaughtered. If the vote had been 60% or even 70%, then I might have believed it. But 97% is so unlikely that I'm calling it a fraud.
How legit is throwing out the democratically elected president of Ukraine?
As legit as throwing out the POTUS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
I think you have "president" confused with "short term dictator."Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Actually, THAT's called Democracy. The people didn't like what the guy was doing, so they ousted him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
The fact that they COULD throw out the guy meant there was democracy at work. If they couldn't throw him out (Think Castro) then it's a dictatorship.
Like Putin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
LOL. I would think you know better. There is a significant difference between Democracy, and what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
It's like trying to claim that Iran has democratic elections.
So Putin's endless regime isn't dictatorial in your mind?
Thought you were referring to the election Putin held in Crimea.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
But yeah, Putin is a Dictator in most aspects. The "Vote" is always bullshit when it comes to Putin.
Russia's Harry Reid on Crimea
http://www.stratfor.com/the-hub/duma...-risk-genocide
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By EurActiv
Russia’s “brothers” in Crimea, but also in Ukraine's mainland, fear for their lives, as ultra-extremists and fascists in Ukraine are marching with torches and erecting gallows for Russians and Jews, Sergey Zheleznyak, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma, told EurActiv in an exclusive interview.
Sergei Zheleznyak, born in 1970, was elected in 2007 as member of the Duma, the lower house of Russia’s parliament, representing President Vladimir Putin's United Russia party. A former advertising, media and public relations executive, he heads the Duma's information department. Zheleznyak became Deputy Chairman of the Duma in June 2012.
He spoke to EurActiv’s Senior Editor Georgi Gotev.
With a group of Russian MPs, you visited the European Parliament in Strasbourg yesterday (12 March). What was your message to the MEPs?
Our main task was to tell the MEPs the truth about events in Ukraine and in Crimea. We came to express our worries with regard to the actions of those who took power by force in Kyiv, and who openly threaten not only the Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine, but also all those who express views different from the rhetoric of ultra-nationalists, who today control the greater part of its state bodies and media.
We also tried to explain why the citizens of Crimea, who feel that their lives and health are threatened, have turned for help and assistance to the Russian authorities, and not to those who proclaim themselves as the power in Kyiv. And to explain why we cannot turn down the requests of our Crimean brothers.
I hope we have been heard, as in the European Parliament, the relations between Russia and Crimea and the historic role of Crimea in Russian history have been a revelation. We hope that we have been able to compensate for a lack of information.
Also, we have expressed our concern about the mass human rights violations in Ukraine. Irrespective of the political processes in Ukraine, nobody has the right to violate basic human rights and freedoms, the right to life, of expression, of speaking in the mother tongue.
We would like our colleagues in the European Parliament to dispense with double standards, as they show very deep concern about citizens in Ukraine, but strangely keep their eyes shut when massive numbers of citizens of Ukraine, and in the Baltics are oppressed. Which by the way, is not a secret.
While you were delivering these messages, the leaders of the G7 appealed to your country to stop its work on a referendum in Ukraine's Crimea region, and cease all efforts to change the status of Crimea. How would you comment?
The Russian side has no relation whatsoever with the referendum to be conducted in Crimea. This is an initiative of the citizens of Crimea. Our opinion is that only the citizens of Crimea have the right to decide how they will live, and with whom they will unite. Nobody has the right to influence their positions. And the most democratic form of expression of will is the referendum. We reminded our colleagues of the European Parliament of their own position in the case of the self-proclaimed independence of Kosovo, which they do not consider a violation of international law.
So Russia considers the referendum legitimate, and you are preparing to recognise its results?
Nobody gave us a valid argument why the referendum or its results could be considered illegitimate. Of course, it is the responsibility of the people of Crimea, and the parliament of Crimea, to hold a referendum in the best possible way, so that all citizens can express their will. Only after the results of the referendum can we discuss its consequences.
If a majority will ask Crimea to become part of Russia, when will this physically happen? Is there a need for a decision by the Russian Duma?
It would be strange if I would specify dates for implementing decisions which have not yet been taken. But I can assure you that in case of a majority of citizens of Crimea asking for unification with the Russian Federation, all bodies of the Russian Federation will make everything necessary to make this decision materialise, with minimal delays according to our country’s legislation.
Isn’t Russia worried that this will trigger a new Cold War?
I think that the Russian Federation should worry more, as any other civilised country should, that millions of citizens in Ukraine find themselves under the threat of genocide. And that in case of a civilised way out from the crisis, they may simply die. I will remind you of the slogan of Ukrainian ultra-nationalists, which openly states that Crimea should be Ukrainian, or without people.
Why do you speak of genocide? Genocide is a term referring to mass murder of many thousands of people, millions as during the Holocaust…
In Crimea, there are two million Russians. In Western Ukraine and in Kiev, where marches remain ongoing, with exhortations to kill the Russian and the Jews, every person who is not a nationalist risks losing his life or his health. Not allowing genocide and Kiev’s leniency vis-à-vis the ultra-nationalists are the reasons why Crimea decided to hold the referendum.
But why is it that only the Russian side sees such extreme actions in Ukraine, as you describe them? Why does the rest of the world see a completely different picture?
That’s a question to be asked to the Western media. I would direct them to Russian-speaking journalists and journalists of Hebrew faith. They should ask them, and also ask questions to those who march with torches and erect gallows for Russians and Jews.
Why do both sides speak so much about fascism these days? On the one side, some compare President Putin with Hitler, while in Russia the new Ukraine government is described as having fascists in its ranks. How would you comment?
Russian politicians have never expressed a positive attitude vis-à-vis Nazism, fascism. Moreover, in Russia this would be a criminal offense. All Russian politicians, including President Putin, have done a lot so that the multi-national Russian people wouldn’t lurch toward the darkness of nationalism. In Ukraine, those who took power openly promote and pay tribute to those who during World War II directly participated on the side of Hitler and the SS division Galichina [SS-Volunteer Division "Galician", which incorporated Ukrainian nationals], and war criminals such as Bandera [Stepan Bandera, one of the leaders of Ukrainian national movement in Western Ukraine (Galicia), who headed the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists] and others who led punitive units, that exterminated peaceful citizens.
I read articles where the Crimea referendum is compared to the referendum conducted by Hitler in Austria after the Anschluss. What will you say?
I haven’t read such articles. The referendum in Crimea takes place on the initiative and according to the will of the people of Crimea. You can get acquainted with the census polls that have been conducted there over many years, and from there you can deduct the degree of association of those citizens with Ukraine and with Russia.
When you return to Moscow, what will you tell your electors?
I will tell them that we went to Strasbourg to tell the truth about what is happening in the Ukraine, to express our worries about the rise of neo-Nazism and its spread in Europe with the leniency of the Brussels bureaucracy, and to express our position about the defense of Russian-speaking citizens about the threat of genocide, driven by nationalism.
You said ‘Brussels bureaucracy’. Has it become an enemy for Russia?
Of course not. The EU is our strategic partner. It’s very important for us on the issue of the situation in Ukraine there be no bloodshed, that the criminals there should be punished following investigation, and that institutional reform in Ukraine be carried out according to international law, and not by the armed people who have seized power.