Russia Just Invaded Ukraine

[Taernath]

That's the beauty of it, there doesn't NEED to be any. We can just fabricate it. Altho Iran does have a number of Pastors on death's row for preaching Christianity.

Actually, there are lots of Christian deaths in the middle east tho. More so in other countries, simply cause we don't hear about it in Iran doesn't mean it isn't there. That's why we need to invade.. I mean, intervene. To find out.

So, wait, you're advocating an invasion of Iran AND the Ukraine? At the tail end of a 13 year long war? Either of which could or probably will trigger a shooting war with Russia?

[cwolff]

Well.. it's more about the citizens of America. We as citizens no longer have balls. We are like the guy walking down the street that sees someone getting beat up, so he crosses to the other side to avoid it.

Maybe that's progress tho compared to a guy asking the guy getting beat if he needs help, and getting rid of the attacker.

People say this stuff all the time and it's always wrong. We didn't have The Balls to get into WWII until we got attacked. We had to use the Lusitania sinking to get into WWI. We faked Gulf of Tonkin to muster the will to get into Vietnam heavily. Remember the Maine? I don't but I heard about it. Guess what. We faked that shit too just to try to rile up the citizens to go to war with Spain. No, we have a long history of having no balls (as you say) which is why we've always needed something to push us into a fight.

We're also not a nation of pussies on a more personal level. Look at all these young people we had fighting in places like Fallujah. No one can say that those kids were all pussified because they got a participation trophy for little league football.

[Jarvan]

At the risk of involving myself in this discussion in a serious way. How can you pick a good guy in this contest? It's just all sorts of gray to me. We have a mob of good looking young people overthrowing a democratically elected leader. Should we side with the cheerful mob, or with DEMOCRACY? Then a powerful neighboring state is all, but our military, economic and sympathetic interests in the area, are in the thrall of these anarchists! Then the Crimean Russian speaking folk are like, let's get all "tyranny of the majority" on your ass to the ethnic minorities in that area. We voted, it's democracy!

I'm not convinced I like that actions of ANY party over in that area, it's not so easy to take sides.

So what you are saying that if in our country there were protests over how horrible the country was being run, and Obama decided to step down even though he was democratically elected, any new Government would be a fraud?

I think what Ukraine should do now, since it's obvious they lost Crimea, is block it off. Cut off water, power, roads, shipping, flights, trains, and bridges to Crimea. Tell them, well fuck you all, if you are Russian, ask Russia for that stuff. Revoke their passports and bar them from entering Ukraine for life.

[Ker_Thwap]

I'm saying nature abhors a vacuum.

That seems a neighborly thing to do, why don't you suggest it to them.

[Jarvan]

So, wait, you're advocating an invasion of Iran AND the Ukraine? At the tail end of a 13 year long war? Either of which could or probably will trigger a shooting war with Russia?

We don't need to invade Ukraine. Hell, they didn't fight when Russia invaded them. We can just show up. (sarcasm)

As for Iran, Personally, I just wish we could put a forcefield around the ENTIRE middle east, or figure a way to send that entire area into another dimension. Nothing we do there will ever be right, period. 99% of Iran could rise up and try to overthrow Iranian government, begging for our help. We would help, and then 5 years later they would burn our flag and say how evil we are. It's just their nature.

Other then that, we need to stop Iran from getting Nukes. Period. If that takes a war, then I think that would be a good thing. No Sane person can ever think Iran having nukes could be a good thing.

[cwolff]

I'm saying nature abhors a vacuum.

That seems a neighborly thing to do, why don't you suggest it to them.

That's that whole story right there.

[cwolff]

We don't need to invade Ukraine. Hell, they didn't fight when Russia invaded them. We can just show up. (sarcasm)

As for Iran, Personally, I just wish we could put a forcefield around the ENTIRE middle east, or figure a way to send that entire area into another dimension. Nothing we do there will ever be right, period. 99% of Iran could rise up and try to overthrow Iranian government, begging for our help. We would help, and then 5 years later they would burn our flag and say how evil we are. It's just their nature.

Other then that, we need to stop Iran from getting Nukes. Period. If that takes a war, then I think that would be a good thing. No Sane person can ever think Iran having nukes could be a good thing.

uh? Are you serious? You need to read up on the Mid East. We're in no way innocent of the shit going down over there.

[Jarvan]

That's that whole story right there.

That's not true at all. If it were, then most of you people would be trying to figure out why my head hasn't imploded.

[Jarvan]

uh? Are you serious? You need to read up on the Mid East. We're in no way innocent of the shit going down over there.

Did I say we were innocent?

-rereads his post-

Nope, I don't see where I said we were innocent.

[cwolff]

Did I say we were innocent?

-rereads his post-

Nope, I don't see where I said we were innocent.

I see what you're saying. "Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke" Right?