Seeing as how gay people do not procreate, I find that completely unnecessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
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Seeing as how gay people do not procreate, I find that completely unnecessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
They don’t add to the population, so that helps with the over population problem! Since they can’t have kids, they also don’t add to the population which means removing them wouldn’t hurt population growth!Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
So.. are you being sarcastic still.. or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Yeah, I’m just opposed to the whole Nazi eugenics program. Let nature do its thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Of course I am!Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Being serious now, overpopulation is a serious problem, but purposely doing something is wrong, I agree, let nature take its course. The issue is the advancement in modern medicine is a big reason for this.
I read somewhere that some ridiculous percentage, like 80-90% of all healthcare is spent on prolonging the lives of retired citizens, for an average of like 5-7 years. I don’t remember exactly.
Government Ponzi schemes will fail if there isn't a growing population of tax payers to pay for the old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
In other news I think I heard the other day that 3% of deaths in Canada are medically assisted suicides. Going to be great studies in the future about socialized medicine vs not.
It's difficult to tell when you are being sarcastic or just being dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
You should let us know... that way we don't get the "JK GUIS!" after you get called out.
I don't care one way or another what people do as adults... gay, straight, whatever... you do you...
I did hear a funny interview the other day though, where the interviewer was asking a LGBTQ+ supporter... I'm paraphrasing - but the question essentially was:
"Is LGBTQ+ "normal"?"
The person interviewed was stating "Yes, of course".
Make sense to me up to this point... then the interviewer asked...
"If it's normal, then why do LGBTQ+ people, have to adopt children... and not have their own?"
I found it an interesting question... and of course the person being interviewed didn't have a response.
The way I see it, it’s a mental disorder that likely can’t be cured. As someone with ADHD, I can sympathize. Gay people can’t help who they are and being gay isn’t immoral.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaps
Let them enter marriage contracts, so long as any church or business can deny them wedding services on the grounds of religious principles. Let them adopt children, so long as any adoption agency can choose to discriminate who they place a child with. Let them be proud of who they are & be true to themselves, so long as they don’t push sexually inappropriate vulgar displays & behavior on children. Let them identify as whatever gender they choose, so long as everyone else isn’t compelled by law to address them by their preferred pronouns. These same standards also apply to straight people.
Oh 100% man... I didn't mean for my observations to come across as anything but... I just found the concept of "normal" interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
I'm all for good people adopting kids - doesn't bother me either way, so long as the kids are cared for properly.
The concept of "normal" I guess I'm referring to is - If a person has a "desire" to "have children"... and yet their personal desires/choices in a "mating partner" doesn't allow for the conception of a "child"... Then is such behavior really normal? Or abnormal?
Up for discussion of course... Just thought was an interesting question.
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There's no shortage of children desperate for loving, supporting, and safe homes for children, your last sentence highlights the reality of it best of all.Quote:
These same standards also apply to straight people.
The NATO reassuring the world on it's continued security assistance in Ukraine, reprimand of Russian aggression and occupation, and united call for China to stop it's supply of the illegal aggressors was spectacular move. Sweden is also one step closer to joining as Turkey got what it wanted (money) to end it's opposition. Seriously glad Ukraine's membership remains conditional, the country only had a short period of stability under Zelensky before war began and there's no telling it's path after the war ends and inevitably Zelensky is replaced once his term limit is reached.
NATO membership is not about the next couple years, it's about the next handful of decades. With it's rules about unanimous commitments to add and remove member countries, all too often countries like Hungary and Turkey have gotten leaders whose ideas and beliefs are antithetical to the NATO mission.
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news...-23/index.htmlQuote:
"Ukraine’s future is in NATO," alliance members reaffirm in joint declaration at summit
NATO allies on Tuesday reaffirmed their support for Ukraine’s push for membership of the alliance, according to a final declaration issued by the 31-member group at a summit in Lithuania.
“Ukraine’s future is in NATO,” it said.
"We will be in a position to extend an invitation to Ukraine to join the alliance when allies agree and conditions are met," it added.
NATO allies also reiterated their condemnation “in the strongest terms (of) Russia’s blatant violations of international law, the Charter of the United Nations, and OSCE commitments and principles.”
“We do not and will never recognise Russia’s illegal and illegitimate annexations, including Crimea,” the statement said.
“There can be no impunity for Russian war crimes and other atrocities, such as attacks against civilians and the destruction of civilian infrastructure that deprives millions of Ukrainians of basic human services,” according to the declaration.
I got you man. What is normal often changes, but I think the question becomes is being gay natural? On one hand, homosexuality is as old as humanity itself & perhaps older since it can be observed with some other animal species. On the other hand, as you pointed out, since they can’t breed offspring that defies nature. There is still a lot we don’t know about the subject, but there is a good bit of evidence (like younger generations have more people increasingly identifying as gay) to suggest that it’s a learned behavior. My non-scientific opinion is that a smaller number of gay people are simply born that way, while for a greater number of people they become homos through life events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaps
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Originally Posted by Seran
They're not homos, they're heterosexually challenged, you bigot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Just fwiw, I know lots of gay folks that have natural born children from earlier in life. Then decided they were gay and chose a different mate.
Granted that has nothing to do with the younger generation and their identifying selves.
It’s better for themselves and everyone else they figure that out before then. I’ve got a neighbor that I suspect is a closet fag. That must be a terrible way to live.Quote:
Originally Posted by Realk
I guess I was just focusing on your point about the uptick in the younger generation identifying more, now that the stigma is being removed from it some perhaps people do not feel required for a fake life as much as say 1970.
Oh for sure. Yeah I’m sure that has something to do with it, but it doesn’t fully explain the exponential increase. Gen Z represents 20% of all identified gays according to some studies. Seems to me like some of it is learned behavior, though I admit that is just my opinion and pure speculation. Social science is often not 100% scientific.Quote:
Originally Posted by Realk
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Homosexuality isn't a learned behavior, that's pure speculation on your part which has been scientifically studied to death and disproven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
As Realk pointed out, younger generations have lost the stigma of what being gay means and they're children of a generation that decreasingly doesn't have the stigma either. Procreation is a biological necessity to any species, but for a fully sentient and sapient species like ours, it is also a choice.
Wrong. It has not been scientifically studied to death and disproven. If being gay is not a learned behavior, then how do you explain people that come out as gay but later on in life they realize they are actually not? How do you explain otherwise straight males raping each other in prison?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Being gay does not require sentience. Homosexuality has been observed in hundreds of other animal species. Even worms can be fudge packers.
i wont argue that, when i was talking about gay folks earlier that decided they were gay later in life that was both male and female. I have never and probably will never be in prison but I dont think I could rape anyone much less a dude even if was only a power move.
Short answer: Social media.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Also, LGB(T) isn't just "gay" anymore, as it includes pretty much anything now that isn't straight, 99% of which is just made up bullshit that people keep coming up with every other day now.
Also, for white people, it's a pretty effective tool to be white and still have a way to claim victimhood status while hiding behind cancel culture, and cancel culture wouldn't exist without social media.
You're a moron, I said procreation is a choice, not homosexuality to read. One of the most celebrated researchers into human sexuality, Kinsey, very clearly demonstrated that of those men and women who claimed to have been able to unlearn their homosexual nature's, were suffering from self-induced repression of their true orientation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aat7693
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0628205430.htm
Is Sexuality a Choice? An Analysis of the Facts and Factors that Influence One's ... https://digitalcommons.pcom.edu/cgi/...stone_projects
https://publications.aap.org/pediatr...eck=redirected
HOMOSEXUALITY AND BIOLOGY https://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~b...ology_burr.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5777082
Seran I know you like to tell yourself that choosing not to procreate is your own decision, but the reality is that you have absolutely nothing to offer any potential mate. Solidarity is your destiny because people find you to be repulsive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I’m sure you are aware that the scientific community is not in total consensus on this subject and you are just choosing to be dishonest. Let me get this straight though… So gender identity is totally one’s own choice, right? But sexual preference can never be someone’s decision? Seems contradictory.
I’m not talking about people praying the gay away or whatever. I’m talking about many examples where someone as a teen or young adult identified as gay, but then discovered later that is not really the case at all. For that person it was a fad, a way of rebelling, or that they just thought they couldn’t get with someone of the opposite sex & settled into homosexual activity. So you are telling me those people are just liars are repressing their true nature?
Does the + part mean pedophiles? Seems like they are being welcomed into that ever expanding club by the far left and are trying to normalize that as acceptable behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Oh and to perhaps steer this back on track to the thread topic, both Ukraine and Russia government don’t like the gays much.
Neither have I. Never gave much thought before on what I would do if I was there, but now that you mentioned it…I don’t believe I could ever rape anyone either under any circumstances. I suppose we’re both too soft for the prison life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Realk
Your total lack of evidenced based support for your argument is telling as usual. Love how you always return to inferences, colloquialisms, and anecdotal evidence to back your ridiculous claims. So go ahead, find yourself an opinion piece by Pastor Billy Bob Hatesahomo to try and back up your unsupported claims. That or just break into a rendition of, "Jesus Loves Me" and rock yourself to sleep on tears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
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Originally Posted by Seran
First of all, this is not an argument nor am I debating you. I clearly stated in a prior post that it was my opinion. You were the one to say that my opinion has been scientifically disproven. That is absolutely a false statement. The reality is, it’s still largely unknown and highly probable homosexuality in humans can be a combination of both genetics and learned behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Since you just refuse to see any discerning evidence or Google yourself, here is just one amongst many: https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...xual-behavior/
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In the new study, a team led by Brendan Zietsch of the University of Queensland, Australia, mined several massive genome data banks, including that of 23andMe and the UK Biobank (23andMe did not fund the research). They asked more than 477,000 participants whether they had ever had sex with someone of the same sex, and also questions about sexual fantasies and the degree to which they identified as gay or straight.
The researchers found five single points in the genome that seemed to be common among people who had had at least one same-sex experience. Two of these genetic markers sit close to genes linked to sex hormones and to smell—both factors that may play a role in sexual attraction. But taken together, these five markers explained less than 1 percent of the differences in sexual activity among people in the study. When the researchers looked at the overall genetic similarity of individuals who had had a same-sex experience, genetics seemed to account for between 8 and 25 percent of the behavior. The rest was presumably a result of environmental or other biological influences. The findings were published Thursday in Science.
Despite the associations, the authors say that the genetic similarities still cannot show whether a given individual is gay. “It’s the end of the ’gay gene,’” says Eric Vilain, a geneticist at Children’s National Health System in Washington, D.C., who was not involved in the study.
You tell me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WTfRS9IPrc
TLDR: Dude talks about pedophiles are bad and the immediate reaction from the Serans in the audience is "You're transphobic / homophobic!!!!"
I don't think someone being gay makes them a pedo, but only a retard like Seran would deny that the whole LGBTHDTV4K+ movement is being hijacked by pedos in clown makeup.
Point out to me in your own article that homosexuality is a learned behavior. You do understand that learned behavior and environmental influences are not identical blanket terms, right? "Your opinion" doesn't even match the article you're quoting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
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Originally Posted by Seran
Let’s explore that for a moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
If someone is gay because in their environment & that is seen as normal, that is the same as learned behavior. Take my prison example. A straight male goes to prison for 20 years. To satisfy his sexual urges he engages in homosexual activity. That behavior was learned. You are playing word semantics. The point is, there is evidence to suggest not everyone that is gay was predestined to be gay by genetics at birth. Therefore, for example, children can be groomed to be gay. Their environment plays a role on sexual preference.
There is no consensus in science. At all. When someone claims there is, it's usually to push an agenda of sorts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I'm torn here though... I believe genetics plays a big role in it, but you can't just dismiss environment either.
But when it comes to all things gay/queer/faggot... I will side with the person who has the most experience in the field.
And since Ashliana has been banned for being an extreme faggot (which no one likes).. I believe that leaves Seran as our resident expert in the field.
Again, it is not the same thing, that you're choosing to misread a single article is the issue itself and not there data. Scroll up, one study remarks specifically that there is significant 'environmental' influence for a child which is born to household with other siblings sharing the same parent being homosexual. Genetics and other biological environmental influences are the majorly predominant factors for inherent homosexuality. Your argument about a man choosing to have sex with another man as a result of being incarcerated with other men is biological incidence of homosexuality. Not everyone who goes to prison engages in same sex behavior dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
I've come to let you know this is open warfare and not hybrid warfare.
That is all.
p.s you're gay lmao
Trump speaking at a rally this weekend..
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“Congress should refuse to authorize a single additional shipment of our depleted weapons stockpiles … to Ukraine until the FBI, DOJ and IRS hand over every scrap of evidence they have on the Biden Crime Family’s corrupt business dealings,” Trump said at the rally. He added that any Republican lawmakers who didn’t join the effort should face primary challenges, a tactic he used last year to unseat Republicans who voted to impeach him for inciting the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection.
More...
I feel a flashback coming on..
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Trump's impeachment came after a formal House inquiry found that he had solicited foreign interference in the 2020 U.S. presidential election to help his re-election bid and then obstructed the inquiry itself by telling his administration officials to ignore subpoenas for documents and testimony. The inquiry reported that Trump withheld military aid[a] and an invitation to the White House to Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy in order to influence Ukraine to announce an investigation into Trump's political opponent Joe Biden and to promote a discredited conspiracy theory that Ukraine, not Russia, was behind interference in the 2016 presidential election. A phone call between Trump and Zelenskyy on July 25, 2019 was particularly important according to Congressional testimony from Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a member of the National Security Council who listened to the call from the White House Situation Room.[4][5]
More...
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In before Seran calls Oliver Stone a Nazi.
Seran when he reads this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
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President Trump was the most peaceful time president since Gerald Ford.
Largely agree, but under his presidency he did continue the plan of annihilating the Islamic State & approved the operation that took out Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. That was a justifiable & good use of military force.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
It's not a statement of an opinion.. it's a statement of fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Unless you have another President since Gerald Ford that was more peaceful?
This is when Ashliana would chime in "BUT TEH DOOOOMSDAY CLOCK MOVED CLOSER TO MIDNIGHT WHICH MEANS HE WASN'T PEACEFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and everyone with an IQ above 12 would laugh at him.
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Originally Posted by Parkbandit
^^ this is correct
Word. Not sure how peaceful is objectively quantified but I won’t argue against that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
How do you define "peaceful"? If peaceful means not starting any new armed conflicts, then Trump was a peaceful president, as was Carter. It is easier to meet that definition of peaceful when a president is in office for just one term. If peaceful means not being involved in military conflicts, then Trump was not peaceful. Trump left office with the U.S. having boots on the ground in conflict zones in Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Afghanistan. He did not remove the US from any of those conflicts while in office.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN2A22SN
Posts on social media say former U.S. President Donald Trump was “the first president in modern history” who “did not start a new war.” There have, however, been other U.S. presidents in modern history who did not enter the country into a new war. While defining military interventions can be difficult, Trump is not the only president not to start a new war during his administration.
If we consider the Koran War, the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, the war in Afghanistan and the Iraq War, Trump joins Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, John F. Kennedy and Dwight D. Eisenhower in not having officially brought the United States into a new war since 1945.
VERDICT
False. Just four of the 13 presidents in office between 1945 and 2020 -- Harry S. Truman, Lyndon B. Johnson, George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush – officially brought the country into new full-scale wars (Korea, Vietnam, the Persian Gulf, Afghanistan, Iraq). If we also consider other military interventions, Carter and Ford join Trump in not starting or escalating existing foreign conflicts with U.S. military involvement.
Trump significantly reduced troop presence in existing hotspots & set forth plans to withdraw, plus he did little to fund/aide/participate in foreign conflicts. You can say Reagan was peaceful through power, but that is discounting his aiding of anybody fighting communists. You can say Clinton was peaceful through decreasing military spending, but that would be discounting his orders to carpet bomb places like Baghdad & our involvement in hotspots like Bosnia & Somalia. Both the Bush presidents are out for obvious reasons. Obama increased our troop presence & operation in the GWOT zones. Biden has Ukraine. Carter had his own doctrine with aiding Afghanistan and the infamous Operation Eagle Claw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
While it may be difficult to objectively quantify, I agree with the statement of Trump being the most peaceful president since Ford.
Also…Biden is the dumbest president we have had since Gerald Ford, and that’s not counting his dementia & cognitive decline. George W Bush is third dumbest.
He escalated things in Syria multiple times and what not, or do those not count? He also brought Iran and America to the brink of war, that was only avoided due to secret communications behind Trump’s back, begging Iran not to respond. Does that not count?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Iran doesn’t count because nothing happenedQuote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
We were already heavily involved in Syria before Trump took office. I’ll give credit to Obama for largely being the one to start kicking the shit out of ISIS (took him long enough to act but that’s another discussion) and Trump can’t take all the credit for their demise. Do me the same courtesy of acknowledging we were already in Syria with Obama.
Of course we were, won’t deny that. But Trump ordered military strikes multiple times due to “chemical attacks” with zero evidence, much like Bush with his weapons of mass destruction. I would call that Trump participating and escalating, wouldn’t you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Regarding Iran, because something didn’t end up happening, doesn’t mean that it was a peaceful situation. Trump almost started a war, a “peaceful president” wouldn’t do such things… especially knowing it was only stopped due to people secretly doing peace saving shit behind his back and without his knowledge.
Well, if the legacy media said something is false about President Trump, we should just nod our heads in approval like Solkern here.. because our legacy media would never, ever say something incorrect... now would they.. especially when it came to President Trump....................Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Let's go through this... here's my post:
A little American history for you... Nixon, JFK, and Eisenhower were before Ford.. so let's just eliminate them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Taking into account any military interventions.. we're down to Carter, Ford and Trump. My post said "Since Gerald Ford" so we can eliminate him.
So.. was Trump more of a peaceful President than Carter? Let's look:
Soviet Union (ZOMG RUSSIA) invaded Afghanistan and Carter took the side of Afghanistan, arming the rebels there to fight the USSR.. sound familiar?
Iranian Revolution started and the US embassy was stormed and they took 66 US hostages. Carter launched Operation Eagle Claw to free them, but it was a total disaster and caused the death of 8 US soldiers.
So, it seems that I was correct when I stated:
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Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Be specific. What did Trump do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
This is almost as retarded as the Doomsday clock.Quote:
He also brought Iran and America to the brink of war, that was only avoided due to secret communications behind Trump’s back, begging Iran not to respond. Does that not count?
Don't be so retarded.
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Originally Posted by Solkern
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You are mistaken. It was Obama that was convinced of the use of chemical weapons in Syria. Back in 2014 we started bombing the shit out of Syria and then got ourselves involved in their civil war. The only good thing that came out of that is the obliteration of ISIS/ISIL which was completed under Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
On Iran, one could call Trumps words and actions with them diplomacy. Iran doesn’t want to go to war with us. Despite their military size and strength we would fuck them up in an instant. They know it and we know it.
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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
https://time.com/5240164/syria-missi...pons/?amp=true
Trump Orders Strikes on Syria Over Chemical Weapons
The Administration, however, did not present public evidence on the type of chemicals used or whether it involved the use of a powerful nerve gas
It remains unclear why the U.S. would unleash military strikes from the air and by sea if it did not have irrefutable proof that nerve agent was used. Assad has launched chlorine attacks against civilians dozens of times without U.S. reprisal, even though chemical weapons have been internationally banned after widespread use in World War I.
The operation marked the second time the U.S. struck Assad’s military. Trump ordered an attack last April against the Shayrat air base after a warplane at the base dropped bombs on another town allegedly containing the nerve agent sarin. U.S. warships launched 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles at the base.
I’m not mistaken at all, Obama and Trump both did it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/11/u...ran-trump.html
Seven Days in January: How Trump Pushed U.S. and Iran to the Brink of War
The story of that week, and the secret planning in the months preceding it, ranks as the most perilous chapter so far in President Trump’s three years in office.
Isn't the topic "started new wars" and not "participating in existing military conflicts that other presidents started"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Asking for Latrin's cold cut lady.
SP said participate, which Trump did, which is why I brought it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
If that is the metric you want to use...Trump joins Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, John F. Kennedy and Dwight D. Eisenhower in not having officially brought the United States into a new war since 1945.
If you want to include non-official wars as well, Clinton didn’t start any new wars, he just did a military strike, much like Trump did.
We're not directly involved in the war with Ukraine beyond providing economic and military aid, nice try though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Which Trump also did as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
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Originally Posted by Seran
"We're not involved, except, you know, funding it and providing the weapons."
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The use of chemical or nuclear weapons is often thrown around when a President desires public support for their military actions. It’s an easy Casus Belli. We can agree that George W Bush, Obama, and Trump all did this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Add intelligence, communications, likely target selection, logistics, training, special forces and so on, all super classified so we can't know but it sure seems to be following the Vietnam model. Back then, Lady Bird Johnson was getting the kickbacks from Bell stock, now it's through Hunter's "art" etc. Something about Democrats yelling about the the military industrial complex out of one side of their mouth and taking bribed from the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
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Originally Posted by Seran
Economic and military aid means we are certainly involved. Ask either Putin or Zelensky if we are involved in the Ukraine War. Hell we even have troops in Ukraine teaching them military tactics and how to operate the weapons & fighter jets we gave them. You can bet your ass there are special operations happening that we the public don’t know about.
Ukraine = Lend-Lease 2.0
The level of aid to Ukraine between Trump & Biden are incomparable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
You win again the award for the most retarded post the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
From your own link:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Even your link excluded Clinton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
You don't even see the retardation in your own post...
Holy fuck.
A fact conveniently forgotten by the far right that is eager to paint Trump as some peace loving saint or martyr being prosecuted for being 'the best President in US history since Abraham Lincoln.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
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Originally Posted by Seran
I'm sure when Trump is sentenced to prison, he'll have plenty of time to paint himself as the American version of Nelson Mandela.
Many thing are uncertain regarding Trump and his legal issues but mark my words now, Trump will never spend time inside a prison cell. If I’m wrong and he does, then you have my word I will admit & repent. But I’m not wrong…Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
While you are correct and it’s not comparable, does it really matter? Killing one person and killing 20, doesn’t change the fact that you are a murderer, or in this case, supporting a country with $500m or $500b, doesn’t change the fact that you supported it. He provided military and economic support to Ukraine, according to that, he’s also involved in this war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
If it does matter, where do you personally draw that line, on how much support can someone give, until they are considered involved?
So.. if Trump gave $1 and Biden gave 1 TRILLION.. they are both equally supportive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
If 1 person died vs. 100,000 people died.. it's the same thing?
Do you see where your weak argument makes you look silly.. or no?
Obviously you have trouble with reading, go back and read my very first sentence and tell me what it says.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Giving $1 and giving $1928372882 both mean you support it, does it not?
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45008
Go ahead and jump to page 32.
Foreign and Military Aid
After Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the United States began to provide higher levels of annual assistance to Ukraine across multiple accounts. From FY2015 to FY2020, State Department and USAID bilateral aid allocations to Ukraine (including foreign military financing, or FMF) totaled about $418 million a year on average (see Table 1). For FY2021, State Department and USAID allocations to Ukraine totaled about $464 million, including $115 million in FME. 162 The President's FY2022 State/USAID request for Ukraine is about $459 million.
Trump has given almost around 1.6B to Ukraine during his presidency, that’s not including his special military packages… that’s like $1 right?
You all were complaining that Biden was spending money for Ukraine, how come none of you did when Trump was doing it?
Next, you do realize that Obama provided zero lethal aid to Ukraine? It was actually Trump who started to provide lethal aid to Ukraine first. A clear sign of escalation and participation to the ongoing crisis.
Lethal and Nonlethal Security Assistance
The Obama Administration provided nonlethal security assistance to Ukraine, due to concerns about potential conflict escalation. 167 Such assistance included "body armor, helmets, vehicles, night and thermal vision devices, heavy engineering equipment, advanced radios, patrol boats, rations, tents, counter-mortar radars, uniforms, first aid equipment and supplies, and other related items. Both the Trump and Biden Administrations have provided nonlethal aid and defensive lethal weaponry to Ukraine.
Finally, the offensive aid that Biden has given to Ukraine, is strictly to take back its land, not to attack Russia.
Anyways, while I can agree, generally speaking, Trump was a relatively peaceful president, so was Clinton and others. To say he was the most peaceful since Ford or whoever, just isn’t true in my opinion.
It does matter. We give aid to countries all the time for all sorts of reasons. My objection to our aid to Ukraine isn’t a moral one. I understand our strategic interest in Ukraine as a buffer state to our NATO allies & that they are the victims of aggressive expansion, but we’re at a price tag of roughly $125 billion since the war began. That kind of spending simply isn’t justified in my opinion, especially when we already have issues at home with inflation. I suspect a lot of the motives for our involvement is not just for America’s strategic interest, but for the defense contractors that fund the campaigns of politicians from both parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
You know, during the Covid situation, when the entire economy, country and people were struggling, we were still giving Ukraine more than 400m+ a year of lethal military, and economic aid, during the Trump administration, why does it matter now, but didn’t matter before? Because NO ONE complained once about what we were giving Ukraine during Covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Why does spending all of a sudden matter now? Is it because it’s the Biden administration, or what? Our country was in a far far worse state during Covid than it is now.
Clinton reduced our military budget. Some see that as a good thing, and for that time in history I generally agree. The budget surplus really helped to give us some good years of economic prosperity in the 90s. Some would argue that it also left us open for attack (9/11) and our military was ill-equipped when GWOT (global war on terror) kicked off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Our treasury shits $400 million for breakfast. $125 billion in roughly one year is a much bigger number. We’re both in the financial service industry and understand that difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
While I 100% agree with you. Still, 400m sent to Ukraine, when we could have used that money back home to help get our country through that Covid shit storm, would have been better right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
And still 125b is what? .5% if you go against our of our GDP? Some would say that’s a drop in the bucket as well.
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Originally Posted by Parkbandit
So... no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
That's where you are incorrect. It wasn't an opinion, it was literally a statement of fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
I get that your TDS clouds your judgement, but whatever your opinion is on the subject is meaningless. I mean, you just literally stated whether they give $1 or $1928372882 they are both equally supportive.
Yes and no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Like I said, I’m not totally opposed to helping the Ukrainians in this war. Back then it was also a deterrence to war. The issue becomes at what cost. $400 million seems reasonable to me. $30 billion in aid sounds more reasonable to me since the war started. We have become Ukraine’s sugar daddy/mama.
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Originally Posted by Parkbandit
I’ll only try once, let’s see if you can do it PB.
I’m going to ask you a yes or no question, do you think you have the brain power to answer it with a yes or a no? I’m going to assume no, but let’s give it a try.
If I donate $1 to support Trump, and you donate $27637272 to support Trump, do we both support Trump?
Since I know you are not capable of answering basic questions. I’ll answer it for you.
Yes, we both support Trump.
How much we gave Trump, aren’t comparable, but that doesn’t mean we don’t both support Trump.
I know you still didn’t get it.
400 million is not even in the same zipcode as 125 billion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Let's put it in perspective for a moment. 400 million seconds from now is the year 2036. 125 billion seconds from now is the year 2390.
Now, if you want to have a discussion about the US spending billions of dollars in aid to other countries.. sign me up. I don't believe we should be spending US taxpayer dollars in some gigantic charity the way we do now.
But comparing that to what we have spent on Ukraine since Russia invaded them is.. silly.
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Originally Posted by Solkern
No. If you donate $1 vs. donating $27,736,272 is not the same support at all. It's not even close and to make that argument is retarded.
You are doing that retard shit again that you always, always fall back to when you are proven wrong... you are all "I know it's not comparable.. but it's really comparable"
It's not.
We have spent more on Ukraine's defense than all other countries combined and then some:Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/...mal/27278.jpeg
And this doesn't include weapons, ammunition or equipment.
I personally would lean on the side of at that time, the budget cuts did a lot of good for the economy and the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
You can’t predict a 9/11 thing to happen almost a year after he left office. I also don’t think his military cuts had anything to do with 9/11. 9/11 was a CIA/FBI/Homeland security thing. Not a military thing in my opinion.
When did I ever say it’s the same support?Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
I asked if we BOTH support Trump?
Like I said, basic questions are difficult for you.
I’m just not even going to bother with you anymore.
I get that it’s not me that you are asking. The answer to your question is yes from your example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
But…there is an undeniable meaningful difference between say you donating $20 to a political campaign vs George Soros campaign funding for example. You may both support the Democratic Party, but you are not equal by a long shot.
Yup, that’s why I said I 100% agree with you that it’s not comparable at all, and never said it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
I generally agree. I strongly dislike Clinton for other reasons related to his policies while in office, but on that one I can agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Better put, we were in for a massive sticker shock upgrading our military after 9/11.
We weren’t ready for WW2 either. That’s one thing I do love about America, when the time comes, we get out shit together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Times of peace should lower military spending, While looking back, I think his cuts were too big.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
I think George W Bush (more so his administration vs the man as he was a pretty decent TX governor) was a worse president than Bill Clinton if that makes any difference. I like to think of myself as a conservative leaning libertarian, but the neocons of that era are not my people.
That's a fucking retarded statement. The military has nothing to do with domestic terrorism threats, nor the lack of pre flight screening that allowed the Saudi backed branch of Al Queda to complete the 9/11 attacks. Let us not forget that they occured during the /Bush/ administration before you continue to contort history to make your moronic claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Are you one of these "some"? Or are you referring to other unnamed faceless people as "some"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
I do think .5% is a drop in the bucket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
In 2020, our GDP was 21T, it’s now 26T, that 125B is just 2.5% of that difference.
Which one supports more though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Stop trying to downplay the obvious just because Trump hurt your feelings. It's cringe.
Who are these "some" you speak of then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Stop being obtuse, in the context of WHY I even brought it up, who supports more isn’t important, what’s important is they BOTH support Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Trump giving Ukraine 1.6B+, and Biden giving Ukraine 125b+, both show support, participation and escalation in the conflict in Ukraine.
While Biden has given MORE support, doesn’t mean Trump hasn’t supported, participated, and escalated the current situation.
My reply was based on SP, and his post about military aid showing Biden is involved in this conflict, news flash, Trump did as well, so he’s also involved, not as much as Biden, not even close, but that doesn’t change the fact, he too is involved.
I can say Trump is just as guilty, as he was the one who originally escalated to include lethal military aid.
Damn it’s really early for you to make the retard post of the day. Go back and read my post that you quoted. I didn’t say those were my claims or that I even agreed with those claims. You have the reading comprehension of a 2nd grader.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I look at it this way:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
$125 billion / 330 million people = $379
Would you give $379 out of your own personal finances to Ukraine? I’m aware that the taxpayer burden doesn’t work that way, but find it to me a good litmus test nevertheless.
Lol, I’m a bad person to ask that question to haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
I’ve already given a lot more, so yes I would be happy to.
I’m aware exactly where you are trending, and do I wish we gave less? Yes, of course I do.
Looking back since the start…Look at what refused to give at the start, and what we give now, we probably could have saved a fuck ton of money if we ignored Putin’s bullshit and gave everything at the start, which we all know was going to happen sooner or later. Our government’s reluctance cost us a lot of money.
Hindsight is always 20/20
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Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Three reasons that chart is not the whole story..
- It lists just military aid, not humanitarian and non-military financial aid. Japan, for example, has given more aid to Ukraine than most of the countries on your chart, but Japan has not provided military aid. See https://www.statista.com/statistics/...id-to-ukraine/
- It shows total aid per country. Another way to view support for Ukraine is as a percentage of the contributing country's economy or population. See https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-of-donor-gdp/
- It does not reflect the internal costs and disruptions borne by countries that are receiving refugees from Ukraine. See https://www.statista.com/statistics/...es-by-country/ and https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ts-by-country/
LOL…yeah you probably are a bad person to ask that being that you lived and worked in that part of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Right after the war kicked off, my wife donated a few hundred bucks so that some refugee mother and her two kids can stay the night at a hotel. I forgot how much it was, but I remember asking her something like “Damn, she couldn’t have stayed the night in a Motel 6?” I told her the whole thing could likely be a sob story scam and who knows where our money actually went. She told me she doesn’t question my discretionary funds spending to feed my ammunition addiction, so I don’t get to lecture her on how she spends her disposable fun money. I shut the hell up. She is a much gentler & kinder soul than I am. I’m a lucky man.
Oh my bad, I forgot that Russia invaded Ukraine under Trump after Biden gave them permission on live TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
You're the one pretending Bill Clinton was President during 9/11. Lest we forget, President Dubbyah was busily learning how to read when the country was attacked under his watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
https://media.snopes.com/images/phot...s/bushbook.jpg
Yeah he kinda did hint permission. It reminds me of what we did to Saddam Hussein.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Saddam: Hey United States, mind if I invade our pesky neighbor Kuwait?
US Ambassador: The United States has no opinion on the matter on Iraq’s territorial claims as long as it doesn’t conflict with our own interests.
Saddam: OK, cool. <invades Kuwait>
Papa Bush: You just invaded a sovereign country and are interfering with America’s foreign policy. Now we’re going to fuck you up real bad. <Operation Desert Storm>
Go fuck a goat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
The irony of your post + talking shit about Bush "learning how to read" when this specific post of yours resonding to SP, much like all of your posts, is oozing with your own inability to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
It's because you're a fucking dumbass with 0 self awareness and 0 reading comprehension skills.
But feel free to quote what specifically SP said that = "pretending Clinton was President during 9/11"
You won't, because you're stupid and full of shit.
You need to redo your math with tax payers instead of population.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Word. Without looking I think that would roughly cut the population in half and double the end amount per tax payer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
My math is in no way scientific. It’s just meant to illustrate a point. It’s easy to discard what billions of dollars spent means to ordinary people when you compare it to GDP or our huge budget deficit.
In total, about 59.9 percent of U.S. households paid income tax in 2022. The remaining 40.1 percent of households paid no individual income tax. In that same year, about 47.1 percent of U.S. households with an income between 40,000 and 50,000 U.S. dollars paid no individual income taxes. Nov 2, 2022
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...income%20taxes.
Those 40% of households should pay their fair share... right?
WTC was also bombed under Clintons watch. I guess Clinton was too busy raping Monica on the resolute desk and allowing the ATF to murder Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Though, I can understand how you find GW reading to school kids to be far more evil.
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Originally Posted by Solkern
"They aren't comparable.. but I'm going to compare it and say it's the same thing... but they really aren't comparable except when I compare it and say they are equal" -Solkern on every point he ever tries makes.
Fucking retard
Oh not this again. You are going to confuse the fuck out of Seran again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
My wife’s cousin is in Odesa, she runs an organization that takes donations and helps out families that have been displaced, or need money for food, clothing, etc etc. when you donate, she tells us what it’s going to be spent on(or you can tell her where you want the money to go), gives an itemized list of what was bought and cost, and videos/photos. She’s aware there’s a lot of scammers out there, so she tries her best to show that she’s not one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
When you see someone drowning do you make them fill out a questionnaire before you pull them out of the water? Ask exactly how they got there, if they have a job, do they plan on getting further education? What plans do they have for the rest of their life if you save them? No, you just pull them out.
Word.Quote:
Originally Posted by phantasm
Yeah I’m not so much of a heartless asshole that I would say you can only spend it on xyz. I just thought a 1 night hotel stay in Ukraine would be less than the 200-300 she donated (can’t recall the exact amount). I mean, doesn’t 1 American dollar buy you 5 whole Kalashnikov rifles in Ukraine or some shit?
Doesn’t matter. I wouldn’t have done that, but I hope that mom & her two kids had the best night of her life in the midst of an awful shitty situation. If it did that, and more importantly it made my wife feel like she was doing some good in this world, it was totally worth it.
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Originally Posted by phantasm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXxdsGX3CIA&ab_channel=YouTubeMovies
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An aircraft said to be carrying notorious warlord Yevgeny Prigozhin, whose Wagner group launched a failed mutiny in June, has crashed on a flight from Moscow to St Petersburg, according to Russian officials.
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Forgot to share this! Happened to my friend.
https://i.imgur.com/OWq6sg0.jpg
That's fucked up. All goes to show you, when living and/or working abroad pay your taxes to bring it into the use and get the money somewhere safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
My wife just said that Russia is now offering their premium first world country passport to anyone that joins the military.
I’m sure that there is a big rush for people to sign up.
Hard pass. I’ve seen Enemy at the Gates many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/...wOQ@@._V1_.jpg
Why would anyone want a first world passport? Go see a bunch of dirty countries?
They may have tastey chickenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Elon Musk has encouraged U.S. voters to ask their representatives to oppose further military funding for Ukraine, claiming that there is "no way in hell" that Russia will lose the war and that further support to Kyiv will only prolong a futile conflict.
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What relevant expertise does Musk bring to the table?
Being able to successfully do rudimentary math such as adding 2+2, which you and Seran are incapable of, for one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
Top secret security clearance, global satellite relays, cutting edge technology. More than any average government employee and for sure vastly more than the general public.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
Also ClydeR: Taylor Swift is going to endorse Biden any minute now. You should all listen to her because she is a famous pop star, has a ton of relevant expertise on the subject of politics, and did I mention she is super famous?. :rofl:
He may be right about that.Quote:
“The ship ‘Sergei Kotov’ sunk,” wrote former Vladimir Putin adviser Sergei Markov, calling it part of a “new type of war” in which “what matters most are the multitude of drones, space reconnaissance, and electronic warfare.”
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Russia has gotten it's ass handed to it for some time now, which explains why so many Conservatives are in support of Russian aggression. They do so love a lost cause. All the money spent by Russia and lives lost, you gotta wonder how if this is nothing more than pride for rootin tootin Putin now.
You really are retarded... and have zero skin in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
How about you just have a goal to someday be a taxpayer.. and not a social services leech..
Then you can talk.
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Marjorie Taylor Greene has introduced an amendment to a foreign aid bill to require members of Congress who vote in favor of providing aid to Ukraine to join the country's military.
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Greene, who has long argued against providing any further funding to Ukraine, introduced three amendments to the Ukraine Security Supplemental Appropriations Act. One of her amendments states that "any member of Congress who votes in favor of this Act shall be required to conscript in the Ukrainian military."
I'd join up right now if I didn't have bone spurs.
make no mistake, im against funding the war but we need to win some districts where the funding tests well.
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
I think what a lot of people don't realize is we are 100% using the Russian invasion of Ukraine as a test bed for new tactics and technologies against a "near peer". Honestly, they aren't as close as many people, myself included, thought they were, but that is irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anebriated
The amount we are giving them is probably paying for itself 100 fold vs how difficult it would be to otherwise get realworld results to analyze.
I don’t think you are wrong, but it’s reminiscent of the Spanish Civil War aka the prelude to WWII. I’d prefer we alter course before history repeats itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
There is an IQ requirement, even for the Marines. You wouldn't pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
THE JUDEAN PEOPLE'S FRONT!?!?!?!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
My issue with this is that at the same time we are battle hardening them. Their troops have the most real combat experience now, their pilots the same thing, they've fully embraced the war manufacturing. They are beating our multi million dollar systems with $500 drones. Low tech is winning. Granted its good we learned this lesson now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Was it our stellar record over the past 70 years of losing wars that had you convinced or just your inflated ego?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
We now let politicians and politically correct fools manage the war... which results in the 70 years of losing wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
We're more than capable.. we just don't want to upset anyone.
In all fairness we’re really good about winning battles, killing the enemy, and destroying the infrastructure & government of foreign countries. We just fall short at achieving (or even defining) our strategic objectives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
100%Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
That's why you don't cheer for war because it looks cool in movies. If you're not willing to stomach watching bodies stack until they block out the sun, you don't go to war.
FTFYQuote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
And the American people have the attention span of a gnat. It took decades to clear up Germany and Japan and we incinerated their people by the 100s of thousands and millions and bombed them flat. Korea was the first not really war we fought and the military learned but the politicians didn't. Vietnam was won militarily by every possible measure and we had done what we could socially, then we left and Joe Biden fucked up the plan to help them hold off the Chinese. He threw them to the dogs. Yes, the same incompetent Chinese cuckold that we have now. Then there was Afghanistan I, we won because the only objectives were to hurt the Soviets. We then didn't do shit about terrorism and so we ended up with a lot of it cause killing terrorists in cold blood is bad on TV. Then Iraq I which was done well, the occupation which was done like Korea by politicians at the UN so was fucked up, Iraq II, again military won, politicians sucked dick. Afghanistan II, boots won, politicians and the news media/public will fucked it all up so now you have women and kids as slaves, it would take a full generation or more to change much of anything in that part of the world short of glassing large sections of it. OH, BTW, how much money is made off of Opium/Heroine in the US that is grown in Afghanistan? Libya, Hillary Clinton's war to bring back black African slave markets and collapse the EU. Now, we have Ukraine, again, politicians laundering money wholesale and no clear goals though at this time, it isn't mostly our people fighting, yet.
Welcome to the lead up to WWIII. All at the behest of China's ability to buy people, plan long term and be patient, the news media sucking Chinese/Communist dick and the American politicians, who even if they had the right policy for the right reasons, suck ass at communicating it well enough to excite people and keep them motivated.
But Trump was going to get us into WWIII.
The older I get, the more I advocate for an isolationist policy. American first, American only, fuck Europe, fix your own shit, time for you to pay the bill. Central and South America, fucking rot, here are your people back. The border and immigration are closed, completely, indefinitely, period. China, here are the tariffs, you can shut the fuck up or watch your economy collapse and the people hang your leaders in the streets since almost 50% of young males are unemployed already. Make a move and the nukes will fly. Russia, take a hike, lift a finger in our direction or against our people and watch your oil income burn. Africa, you can rot too, you are a shit hole because of your own actions and corruption, not because of colonialism. Like a spoiled brat child, you were raised poorly but you are an adult now, if things stay the same, it's on you. OH, and here is a tax on all expatriated US money no matter the source, target or reason, world wide. That should cover the tax revenue lost for a long time due to isolationism and should pay to build a lot of infrastructure.
Painful, yes, effective, also yes and it would likely collapse the economies of our enemies in a few short years.
Basically, the rest of the world can go un-fuck themselves. Or not.
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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
Would you elaborate on Biden's role following the withdrawal from Vietnam, or provide a link to an article?
Aid billQuote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
https://library.cqpress.com/cqalmana...cqal75-1214000
Not supporting withdrawal of allies just like in Afghanistan
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...out-of-the-us/
Sorry but the link to him speaking on the Senate floor I had is gone.
China has been around for 7000 years, wrote the book on warfare, eastern philosophy does not value individualism or carnal existence. You can't defeat an enemy like that without levying casualties on a biblical scale.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
The west just spent the weekend losing their minds over a dead dog and parents let, no, encourage their sons to be feminine.
The US is not mentally prepared to take on Russia or China in a full scale war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnPE8u5ONls
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
https://i.imgur.com/g5VWIen.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Methais
I'll take "Why are we eating bugs for 1000, Alex."
I quit eating pork years ago. Turkey bacon is close enough if i need a bacon fix, and it's 84724230x less greasy. That said, bacon is still less greasy than Seran.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Not sure what any of that has to do with eating bugs.
Unrelated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmFrFCCKzBk
It’s a healthy decision & I compliment you brother, but I disagree with it being close enough. I’ve tried turkey bacon many times. It tastes like plastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
I don't miss bacon nearly as much as I thought I would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Pepperoni though...
https://i.gifer.com/jU.gif
TrueQuote:
Originally Posted by Methais
You don't see how humanizing animals is going to lead to you eating bugs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
It's very related, though, not as closely related as Serans parents.
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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
Thank you. I did not know what you were referring to when you said Biden was responsible for Vietnam's failure to hold off the Chinese. For those who do not want to take the time to mention the article, it says that Biden, who was a newly elected Senator at the time, was a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and during a committee meeting he and several other listed Senators voted against sending an aid bill to the full Senate. There is not mention of anything he did other than being a member of the group of Senators on the committee who unsuccessfully voted against advancing the bill. The rest of the article is about how the bill passed the Senate by a large margin but failed to get a majority vote in the House.
I’ve found that DINKS and single adults tend to treat and see their pets as children, which is totally fine in my eyes. It’s not the same thing, but they won’t really grasp that concept unless & until they have children. With folks having kids later or not at all, I believe that has been a major contributor to the humanizing of animals as you describe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Kristi Noem describing putting down her dog and then using that story to say it shows she has what it takes to make the correct but hard decisions as a politician is a strange flex in my humble opinion.
There are, or were, speeches of him on the Senate floor arguing against sending aid after America made the promise to replace like for like on all military equipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
He also greatly advocated not bringing out allies out of Vietnam, just like he did in Afghanistan. So, he has a record of pretty much telling the world that he won't uphold America's promises and he will drop allies at a heartbeat when it's convenient. All of this was brought out publiclly in the last campaign. But, idiots like you were "orange man bad" and we have this piece of shit and are on the verge of WWIII.
Politically, she pretty much suicided with this story. The choice of this story to use as an example pretty much make sure she is as high as she can go in politics today and Trump likely will distance himself from her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Don't get me wrong, I hated Noem when she vetoed the voters will on South Dakota legalizing cannabis. Which I find far more shitty than killing her dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Do you own or have you ever owned a dog? If so, then using your logic, that makes you part of this bug eating problem that doesn't actually exist, for "humanizing" wolves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
My pigs aren't gigantic 500+ pound hogs that would have otherwise been sent to a slaughterhouse. But you typically speak in nothing but absolutes 24/7, as demonstrated by your weekend of bending over backwards to compare Noem executing her puppy to abortion and declaring that anyone who disagrees is an animal worshipping city boy, so elaborating further would just be a waste of time.
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qi...0a5a3d4c2ced4f
Stop simping for Biden, loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
Of course I've owned dogs, I've also had to put a dog down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
The argument isn't equating killing a dog to abortion. The argument is the social outrage over killing a dog in a society that celebrates killing humans in the womb and the Republicans falling for the same Democrat emotion based attacks, every fucking time.
I would also eat your pig if I had no bacon, because pigs are food.
Using your logic, that makes you part of the problem for "humanizing" wolves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Because it was sick and/or suffering? Or because you were mad at it? There's a pretty huge difference.Quote:
I've also had to put a dog down.
It's you comparing apples to oranges. People on both sides of abortion are outraged over Noem's bullshit. Pretty much everyone except for you.Quote:
The argument isn't equating killing a dog to abortion. The argument is the social outrage over killing a dog in a society that celebrates killing humans in the womb and the Republicans falling for the same Democrat emotion based attacks, every fucking time.
https://media.tumblr.com/87a721062e4...iZr1qz4rgp.gifQuote:
I would also eat your pig if I had no bacon, because pigs are food.
Some dogs are just bad. They need to be put down. She showed poor judgment in deciding to publish it.
DINKS should be denied Social Security or have to pay double the social security tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Maybe she was inspired by Old Yeller.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
I wouldn’t go that far. To each their own for life choices. If anything they could further increase the child tax credit. Besides, everyone is going to be denied Social Security or they will raise the age of benefits to 90 years old in the near future once it becomes insolvent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
This dog was literally just untrained, and she lost her mind because she didn't "learn from the other dogs" on her first hunting trip and instead, according to her own words, was running around having the time of her life.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
You're just retarded.Quote:
According to the governor, Cricket didn’t so much hunt as have “the time of her life” chasing birds and going “out of her mind with excitement.”
Even the police didn't execute this dog for sucking at the job they decided on for him.
https://i.redd.it/23qpic5w8cr21.png
Sure, just as long as any taxes that are paid don't go towards schools for other peoples' kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
They do pay double.. DINKS stands for DOUBLE INCOMEQuote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
What's the "NK" stand for and how is Social Security structured?Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Couples with children don't have duel incomes?
Adults that are capable of having children, and choose not to, should absolutely be the last in line, for everything. They're not even worth the oxygen they breath,
Dogs are property. Hunting dogs are tools, not pets. This tool was no good at her job. She killed other people's chickens and tried to bite a person. When we remember Cricket, we won't think of her happily chasing birds; instead, we will lament her inability or unwillingness to live up to her domesticated genetic imperative of obedience. With AI and genetic editing technology, we should be able to design more compliant tools or, failing that, replace all of them with robots -- preferably with flamethrowers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Best of luck with all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
See what I mean with speaking in absolutes? You sound like most of the things you claim to be against.Quote:
They're not even worth the oxygen they breath,
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to take a deep breath of some Grade A top shelf air.
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Breath is a noun btw, not a verb.
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Originally Posted by ClydeR
When we remember ClydeR, we won't think of him, at least before his TDS went into overdrive, being Great Value Stephen Colbert; instead, we will lament his inability to figure out how to buy cold cuts at the grocery store on his own until he was in his 30s when his mommy showed him how to interact with people in person in order to make a transaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
But only after the word "retard" comes to mind first.
Imagine the people that survived this only to have a future generation be a DINK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
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I bring home all the bread and pay all the bills at home, so I guess that rules me out of the whole "dual income" bracket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
What a relief. I was almost worried for a moment that I might be judged by some random on the internet about my worthiness for breathing oxygen.
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For all I know, I might not be able to have kids anyway, instead of just having a top tier pullout game. Would that magically make me oxygen worthy and/or exempt me from your proposed increased DINK taxes that wouldn't apply to me either way since I'm the sole provider at home?
Asking for ClydeR, because he's never touched a girl and will never have to worry about knocking someone up.
WTF are you talking about? I am married with dual income and no children. My wife is a minority legal immigrant. I'm 0.5% native american. We both pay taxes (significant taxes because we both have great incomes). I've maxed out my SSN quarters since 2000, my wife since 2006. What's your argument for us not being able to draw SS or be in line for anything when we've followed all the rules and are living the American dream as well as paying for you breeders shitty schools and my "fair share" of the non taxed taxes since I was 23.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
OFF TO THE GAS CHAMBER WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!111Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
I have family in Watertown, South Dakota. I used to go pheasant hunting with them consistently every year, though it had been about 6 years since I made it out there. Anyways, my experience dictates that your statement about hunting dogs being mere tools is false. They care deeply about their dogs. Hunting these days is a recreational sport. Nobody that I know hunts purely for survival. Their dogs are working pets. When my cousin Charlie’s dog Rooster got too old to hunt, he would bring him along on road hunts (road hunting is driving past pheasants spotted in a ditch, getting out of your vehicle, and charging down said ditch yelling so they fly upwards to shoot) but babied the fuck out of that dog otherwise. Rooster was his best friend. (He is also single and lives alone.)Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
Any other enlightening thoughts chariman Mao? Maybe have a few struggle sessions for them too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
I have 6 kids with 2x baby mamas (I’m once divorced and remarried) with children ages ranging from 17 months - 21 years old. I have two sets of identical twins. My genetics for continuing the survival of the human race are on point, but my pullout game is weak. Being both Irish & Catholic are contributing factors to both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Obviously, I deserve ALL the oxygen. :rofl:
Your war on people with no children is hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
There are many, many adults that should not be parents under any circumstances.
1) sErAn
2) ClydeR
3) You
I can only surmise that Neveragain is in the midst of yet another drug fueled rage against {insert something completely random here} coupled with loneliness and isolation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
It's always been just a better idea to laugh at his insanity and be thankful you don't live anywhere near him. He would be that creepy guy, sitting on his porch and leering out at everyone.
I miss the DINK lifestyle, shit was so simple and so much easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
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Sen. Mitt Romney bristled at reports Tuesday comparing his own years-old canine controversy to that of South Dakota Kristi Noem, who reportedly admits in an upcoming memoir that she shot and killed her own 14-month old German wirehaired pointer puppy, Cricket, after determining it was “less than worthless” as a bird hunter and attacked a neighbor’s chickens. Romney was widely criticized after a story surfaced during the 2012 presidential campaign that he had tied his family dog, Seamus, to the roof of his car for a road trip. “I didn’t eat my dog. I didn’t shoot my dog. I loved my dog, and my dog loved me,” Romney told reporters Tuesday, also getting in an apparent jab at a dog-eating scandal that plagued former President Barack Obama during the 2012 campaign.
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Cricket was just like the dog in this old movie..
Only to a colossal pussy like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
Keep hiding under your bed from Covid, loser.
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MOSCOW (Reuters) - The Kremlin on Friday welcomed Donald Trump's comments on Russia being "a war machine" that had defeated Napoleon and Hitler, but said it was not wearing rose-tinted spectacles when it came to the U.S. Republican presidential candidate.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov was responding to a question about comments Trump said he had made to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy in a phone call on July 19.
Trump told Fox News later that he had told Zelenskiy that the war needed to be brought to an end.
"This is a war machine you're facing. That's what they (the Russians) do they fight wars. They beat Hitler. They beat Napoleon. We got to get this war over with," said Trump.
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Trump praised Russia to Zelenskyy, making Ukraine's struggle sound hopeless. Did Trump's comments suggest that Trump understood the history of how Russia repelled Napoleon and Hitler?
Remember when Democrats pretended they were against wars?
Now look at them. They masturbate every morning while reading the news about how many Ukrainians and Russians died in the war they support.
I wonder how much damage is being done to the environment with this ongoing war? Democrats like Seran and Clyder are so dumb they would probably believe it if they were told that Ukraine was using eco-friendly bombs.
This only proves that heroin addicts make better monster movies than coke heads.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
Neither can touch the aggressive demonic nature of Commander.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
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No matter how much taxpayer money we pour into Ukraine, it's a losing cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
The only thing that happens is death on both sides.
Don't worry though.. if Trump is elected in November, you will see an end to this conflict.
Ukraine’s struggle facing a protracted war against Russia is indeed hopeless. They don’t have the manpower to win this war. It’s simple math. An entire generation of Ukrainians are dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
38 million people live in Ukraine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
145 million people live in Russia.