Russia Just Invaded Ukraine

[Methais]

I do think .5% is a drop in the bucket.
In 2020, our GDP was 21T, it’s now 26T, that 125B is just 2.5% of that difference.

Who are these "some" you speak of then?

[Solkern]

Which one supports more though?

Stop trying to downplay the obvious just because Trump hurt your feelings. It's cringe.

Stop being obtuse, in the context of WHY I even brought it up, who supports more isn’t important, what’s important is they BOTH support Trump.

Trump giving Ukraine 1.6B+, and Biden giving Ukraine 125b+, both show support, participation and escalation in the conflict in Ukraine.
While Biden has given MORE support, doesn’t mean Trump hasn’t supported, participated, and escalated the current situation.

My reply was based on SP, and his post about military aid showing Biden is involved in this conflict, news flash, Trump did as well, so he’s also involved, not as much as Biden, not even close, but that doesn’t change the fact, he too is involved.
I can say Trump is just as guilty, as he was the one who originally escalated to include lethal military aid.

[Suppressed Poet]

That's a fucking retarded statement. The military has nothing to do with domestic terrorism threats, nor the lack of pre flight screening that allowed the Saudi backed branch of Al Queda to complete the 9/11 attacks. Let us not forget that they occured during the /Bush/ administration before you continue to contort history to make your moronic claims.

Damn it’s really early for you to make the retard post of the day. Go back and read my post that you quoted. I didn’t say those were my claims or that I even agreed with those claims. You have the reading comprehension of a 2nd grader.

[Suppressed Poet]

I do think .5% is a drop in the bucket.
In 2020, our GDP was 21T, it’s now 26T, that 125B is just 2.5% of that difference.

I look at it this way:

$125 billion / 330 million people = $379

Would you give $379 out of your own personal finances to Ukraine? I’m aware that the taxpayer burden doesn’t work that way, but find it to me a good litmus test nevertheless.

[Solkern]

I look at it this way:

$125 billion / 330 million people = $379

Would you give $379 out of your own personal finances to Ukraine? I’m aware that the taxpayer burden doesn’t work that way, but find it to me a good litmus test nevertheless.

Lol, I’m a bad person to ask that question to haha.
I’ve already given a lot more, so yes I would be happy to.

I’m aware exactly where you are trending, and do I wish we gave less? Yes, of course I do.
Looking back since the start…Look at what refused to give at the start, and what we give now, we probably could have saved a fuck ton of money if we ignored Putin’s bullshit and gave everything at the start, which we all know was going to happen sooner or later. Our government’s reluctance cost us a lot of money.

Hindsight is always 20/20

[ClydeR]

We have spent more on Ukraine's defense than all other countries combined and then some:



And this doesn't include weapons, ammunition or equipment.

Three reasons that chart is not the whole story..

1. It lists just military aid, not humanitarian and non-military financial aid. Japan, for example, has given more aid to Ukraine than most of the countries on your chart, but Japan has not provided military aid. See https://www.statista.com/statistics/...id-to-ukraine/
   
   
2. It shows total aid per country. Another way to view support for Ukraine is as a percentage of the contributing country's economy or population. See https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-of-donor-gdp/
   
   
3. It does not reflect the internal costs and disruptions borne by countries that are receiving refugees from Ukraine. See https://www.statista.com/statistics/...es-by-country/ and https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ts-by-country/

[Suppressed Poet]

Lol, I’m a bad person to ask that question to haha.
I’ve already given a lot more, so yes I would be happy to.

I’m aware exactly where you are trending, and do I wish we gave less? Yes, of course I do.
Looking back since the start…Look at what refused to give at the start, and what we give now, we probably could have saved a fuck ton of money if we ignored Putin’s bullshit and gave everything at the start, which we all know was going to happen sooner or later. Our government’s reluctance cost us a lot of money.

Hindsight is always 20/20

LOL…yeah you probably are a bad person to ask that being that you lived and worked in that part of the world.

Right after the war kicked off, my wife donated a few hundred bucks so that some refugee mother and her two kids can stay the night at a hotel. I forgot how much it was, but I remember asking her something like “Damn, she couldn’t have stayed the night in a Motel 6?” I told her the whole thing could likely be a sob story scam and who knows where our money actually went. She told me she doesn’t question my discretionary funds spending to feed my ammunition addiction, so I don’t get to lecture her on how she spends her disposable fun money. I shut the hell up. She is a much gentler & kinder soul than I am. I’m a lucky man.

[Methais]

Stop being obtuse, in the context of WHY I even brought it up, who supports more isn’t important, what’s important is they BOTH support Trump.

Trump giving Ukraine 1.6B+, and Biden giving Ukraine 125b+, both show support, participation and escalation in the conflict in Ukraine.
While Biden has given MORE support, doesn’t mean Trump hasn’t supported, participated, and escalated the current situation.

My reply was based on SP, and his post about military aid showing Biden is involved in this conflict, news flash, Trump did as well, so he’s also involved, not as much as Biden, not even close, but that doesn’t change the fact, he too is involved.
I can say Trump is just as guilty, as he was the one who originally escalated to include lethal military aid.

Oh my bad, I forgot that Russia invaded Ukraine under Trump after Biden gave them permission on live TV.

[Seran]

Damn it’s really early for you to make the retard post of the day. Go back and read my post that you quoted. I didn’t say those were my claims or that I even agreed with those claims. You have the reading comprehension of a 2nd grader.

You're the one pretending Bill Clinton was President during 9/11. Lest we forget, President Dubbyah was busily learning how to read when the country was attacked under his watch.

[Suppressed Poet]

Oh my bad, I forgot that Russia invaded Ukraine under Trump after Biden gave them permission on live TV.

Yeah he kinda did hint permission. It reminds me of what we did to Saddam Hussein.

Saddam: Hey United States, mind if I invade our pesky neighbor Kuwait?

US Ambassador: The United States has no opinion on the matter on Iraq’s territorial claims as long as it doesn’t conflict with our own interests.

Saddam: OK, cool. <invades Kuwait>

Papa Bush: You just invaded a sovereign country and are interfering with America’s foreign policy. Now we’re going to fuck you up real bad. <Operation Desert Storm>