Exhausting Court Proceedings on the Horizon

[Solkern]

Did you and the other folks that suffer from TDS get motivated enough about this news to perform the dark ritual that summons that she-devil Time4Fun?

Eh?

[Parkbandit]

And so it begins.

Trump never had to worry about lawsuits and whatnot before, because he stayed out of politics on the Republican side. Not anymore.

FTFY to reflect actual reality.

[Suppressed Poet]

Eh?

Oh you know…she will commonly hop on here for a day or so when Trump has been indicted or some news like the result of this civil case. Minor summoning 725 has a relatively short duration though.

[Seran]

I'm curious what the point is of responding to someone's post with a disparaging comment about someone not involved in the conversation, a handful of you on the far right do it quite often. Are you that obsessed with someone you're unable to live your life without thinking about them all the time, or is it an attempt to to psych someone out of posting by thinking your ridicule they're likely never to see will prevent them from getting involved? Either way it's a very unhealthy mindset.

[Solkern]

Oh you know…she will commonly hop on here for a day or so when Trump has been indicted or some news like the result of this civil case. Minor summoning 725 has a relatively short duration though.

Eh, I don’t have TDS, I don’t care if it was Trump or someone else. I find this entire situation amusing.

[Parkbandit]

Eh, I don’t have TDS, I don’t care if it was Trump or someone else. I find this entire situation amusing.

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Bro.. your posting history tells another story.

You can't mealy-mouth your way out of it.. unless you want to do an Ashliana and delete posts.. but then people have quoted it.. so it's probably not going to turn out the way you believe it would.

[~Rocktar~]

I'm curious what the point is of responding to someone's post with a disparaging comment about someone not involved in the conversation, a handful of you on the far right do it quite often. Are you that obsessed with someone you're unable to live your life without thinking about them all the time, or is it an attempt to to psych someone out of posting by thinking your ridicule they're likely never to see will prevent them from getting involved? Either way it's a very unhealthy mindset.

And the circle comes complete, yet again. Seran spends a load of time insulting everyone and everything, had a retarded bitchfit and so on. Gets ignored to a great enough degree that he comes slinking back trying to seem reasonable and trying to engage others with some pseudo-argument and tries to get attention again. Then, once he gets some engagement, he goes on for a little bit, gets frustrated by having his idiocy dismissed enough that he goes off again.

[Suppressed Poet]

I'm curious what the point is of responding to someone's post with a disparaging comment about someone not involved in the conversation, a handful of you on the far right do it quite often. Are you that obsessed with someone you're unable to live your life without thinking about them all the time, or is it an attempt to to psych someone out of posting by thinking your ridicule they're likely never to see will prevent them from getting involved? Either way it's a very unhealthy mindset.

This is great. Please continue.

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[Suppressed Poet]

Eh, I don’t have TDS, I don’t care if it was Trump or someone else. I find this entire situation amusing.

TDS gets used a lot and in this particular situation I don’t mean that malevolently.

I call BS though. It’s important we are at least aware of our own bias. Don’t they push that kind of woke-ass corporate training on this subject at your firm? If it were someone you didn’t absolutely despise you wouldn’t be so amused by this news. I have those biases, you do, we all do… It’s human nature.

[Seran]

This is great. Please continue.

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Just so long as you're aware how juvenile and abit facile it is to fling shit at people who aren't part of the year conversation. I appreciate at times you're pretty mature in your posts, or go after those participating in the discussion as most do. I figured your departure from the norm ought to be pointed out in case you're having a stroke or something.

[Suppressed Poet]

Just so long as you're aware how juvenile and abit facile it is to fling shit at people who aren't part of the year conversation. I appreciate at times you're pretty mature in your posts, or go after those participating in the discussion as most do. I figured your departure from the norm ought to be pointed out in case you're having a stroke or something.

I’m certain that Time4Fun is a big girl (as in grown person), is fully capable of defending her own honor on the PC, and that you will be awarded no sexual favors for your white knighting efforts.

[Parkbandit]

I’m certain that Time4Fun is a big girl (as in grown person), is fully capable of defending her own honor on the PC, and that you will be awarded no sexual favors for your white knighting efforts.

Seran never came across as someone who was into women or anyone older than say 12.

[Suppressed Poet]

Seran never came across as someone who was into women or anyone older than say 12.

What say ye, Seran? Does though not playeth ball if thou doeth find grass groweth upon field of thy own maiden? Fancy the to mount ponies? Prayeth do tell.

[Solkern]

TDS gets used a lot and in this particular situation I don’t mean that malevolently.

I call BS though. It’s important we are at least aware of our own bias. Don’t they push that kind of woke-ass corporate training on this subject at your firm? If it were someone you didn’t absolutely despise you wouldn’t be so amused by this news. I have those biases, you do, we all do… It’s human nature.

Oh, I fucking hate Trump. I don’t deny it. But I don’t find this situation funny because it’s him. I’d find it funny if it was Obama, Bobby Boucher, or anyone else.

The situation of claiming/screaming you’re innocent and when the time comes to prove it, presenting zero evidence of it, is funny.

It’s like the kid who cries wolf. You know you chuckled, amused at the end while saying he deserved it.

[Suppressed Poet]

Oh, I fucking hate Trump. I don’t deny it. But I don’t find this situation funny because it’s him. I’d find it funny if it was Obama, Bobby Boucher, or anyone else.

The situation of claiming/screaming you’re innocent and when the time comes to prove it, presenting zero evidence of it, is funny.

It’s like the kid who cries wolf. You know you chuckled, amused at the end while saying he deserved it.

Gotcha and fair enough.

Not particularly related to anything to this case, but the burden of proof falls upon the plaintiff (accuser). That burden of proof is much less (preponderance of evidence) in a civil case, but a respondent is still not obligated to prove they are free from liability.

I doubt even the most loyal of Trump supporters on here would claim he is an infallible saint.

[Seran]

What say ye, Seran? Does though not playeth ball if thou doeth find grass groweth upon field of thy own maiden? Fancy the to mount ponies? Prayeth do tell.

Huh, I'm pretty surprised to be asked that. I'd answer too, but given the personal nature of the ragging on the board, I'll take a pass on answering. No offense.

[Suppressed Poet]

Huh, I'm pretty surprised to be asked that. I'd answer too, but given the personal nature of the ragging on the board, I'll take a pass on answering. No offense.

No offense taken.

In that case I’m going to assume you are not a pedo (at least exclusively) and just a retarded simp.

[Parkbandit]

Oh, I fucking hate Trump. I don’t deny it. But I don’t find this situation funny because it’s him. I’d find it funny if it was Obama, Bobby Boucher, or anyone else.

The situation of claiming/screaming you’re innocent and when the time comes to prove it, presenting zero evidence of it, is funny.

It’s like the kid who cries wolf. You know you chuckled, amused at the end while saying he deserved it.

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[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Oh, I fucking hate Trump.

Why? His policies? Or his personality? I totally get not liking his personality. I loved his policies though.

[Suppressed Poet]

Why? His policies? Or his personality? I totally get not liking his personality. I loved his policies though.

I mostly liked both. Mostly. There is a certain charm and entertainment value to his gangsta attitude.

My wife liked Trump’s policies but hated his guts. She had borderline TDS during his presidency and could not resist talking about whatever controversial naughty thing he said that day on Twitter.

Funny thing is she hates Biden’s policies and mildly dislikes his character. I’ve got borderline BDS if I’m being completely honest.

We’d all be better off with flip phones and reminding ourselves that in the game of power & politics we’re being played like pawns.

[Parkbandit]

Why? His policies? Or his personality? I totally get not liking his personality. I loved his policies though.

We've had this discussion... don't you remember how Soykern's "friends" used to like the US until Trump and now won't ever come here again?

[Seran]

We've had this discussion... don't you remember how Soykern's "friends" used to like the US until Trump and now won't ever come here again?

Are you so disinterested in an honest answer from Solkern you feel it's necessary to respond to a question aimed at someone else bashing their answer before it even happens? How about you sit on your fuckin hands long enough to get his response, then trash it. Jesus dude, I don't get why you even bother posting sometimes.

[Parkbandit]

Are you so disinterested in an honest answer from Solkern you feel it's necessary to respond to a question aimed at someone else bashing their answer before it even happens? How about you sit on your fuckin hands long enough to get his response, then trash it. Jesus dude, I don't get why you even bother posting sometimes.

What part of "we've had this conversation already" went right over your tiny little brain?

He's already been asked that question.. then he gave that retarded answer.

As for you, go fuck yourself, retard. No one else will.

[Solkern]

Why? His policies? Or his personality? I totally get not liking his personality. I loved his policies though.

Mostly his personality. His domestic policies were ok, but I didn’t like his foreign policies though. Living abroad, his foreign stances and policies were far more important to me at the time.

[Methais]

I'm curious what the point is of responding to someone's post with a disparaging comment about someone not involved in the conversation, a handful of you on the far right do it quite often. Are you that obsessed with someone you're unable to live your life without thinking about them all the time, or is it an attempt to to psych someone out of posting by thinking your ridicule they're likely never to see will prevent them from getting involved? Either way it's a very unhealthy mindset.

It's because retards like you and time4fun are so predictable with your ultra retardedness that we like to make predictions about what the next retarded thing to happen will be, and you dumbasses rarely let us down.

That said, as retarded as time4fun is, she's still 99999999999999999999999999999999x less retarded than you are on any given day and is at least capable of making a post that doesn't look she rolled her face across the keyboard.

TLDR: Her retardedness, much like yours but to a lesser degree because nobody is even close to being as retarded as you are, is legendary.

Also, she, like most of your fellow leftists, thinks you're a megatard too.

[Methais]

I’m certain that Time4Fun is a big girl (as in grown person), is fully capable of defending her own honor on the PC, and that you will be awarded no sexual favors for your white knighting efforts.

I'm pretty sure she's in her 30s, which is at least 20 years too old for Seran's preferences.

[Methais]

Oh, I fucking hate Trump.

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It's because your Russian pseudo pals across the world might think you're a poopyhead if you thought otherwise, isn't it?

[Methais]

Huh, I'm pretty surprised to be asked that. I'd answer too, but given the personal nature of the ragging on the board, I'll take a pass on answering. No offense.

You could have just said you're not into banging kids, but you've refused at every opportunity, much like how you've continuously avoided answering similar simple questions, such as "What is the lowest appropriate age to teach school kids about gay sex and trannies?" when you were losing your shit over DeSantis not allowing elementary school teachers to teach little kids about assfucking and gender retardation and all that.

Recap:

SP: Hey Seran are you into banging kids?

Seran: Whoa, totally shocked I got asked that. But due to the ragging on these forums I'm not going to answer the question of whether I want to fuck little kids or not.

















































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[Solkern]

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It's because your Russian pseudo pals across the world might think you're a poopyhead if you thought otherwise, isn't it?

Nah.

[Methais]

Mostly his personality. His domestic policies were ok, but I didn’t like his foreign policies though. Living abroad, his foreign stances and policies were far more important to me at the time.

Now tell us about how much better Biden's foreign policy is and why. :rofl:

[Methais]

Nah.

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[Parkbandit]

https://www.tiktok.com/@theoldermillennial.1/video/7283643353395154218

[ClydeR]

In the New York civil fraud case, day 2, after Trump posted on social media that the judge's clerk was dating Chuck Schumer, the judge issued a gag order against Trump. Trump posted a photo of the clerk meeting Schumer. So far as anybody knows, there is no truth to the allegation, and Trump just made it up because he found the photo. He's not exactly boosting his credibility with the judge.

[Methais]

In the New York civil fraud case, day 2, after Trump posted on social media that the judge's clerk was dating Chuck Schumer, the judge issued a gag order against Trump. Trump posted a photo of the clerk meeting Schumer. So far as anybody knows, there is no truth to the allegation, and Trump just made it up because he found the photo. He's not exactly boosting his credibility with the judge.

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I'm sure it's all just one big coincidence.


EDIT: Hey wait a minute...

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Remember that time Chuck Schumer shot that dude in the dick?

[Alfster]

So by that logic, trump definitely banged those underage girls he was photographed with alongside Epstein with. This is hilarious when y'all only apply this logic when it suits you.

He is so stupid, the gag order certainly helps his lawyers. He's been crying that they values maralago at 18 million..which trump made up and y'all latch onto lol

[Suppressed Poet]

So by that logic, trump definitely banged those underage girls he was photographed with alongside Epstein with. This is hilarious when y'all only apply this logic when it suits you.

He is so stupid, the gag order certainly helps his lawyers. He's been crying that they values maralago at 18 million..which trump made up and y'all latch onto lol

Mar-a-Lago is a massive oceanfront property. If it were to go on sale for $18 million, I would sell everything I own including the clothes I’m wearing right down to my bare ass & secure whatever financing necessary to buy it. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know the market would bring much more.

[Methais]

So by that logic, trump definitely banged those underage girls he was photographed with alongside Epstein with. This is hilarious when y'all only apply this logic when it suits you.

He is so stupid, the gag order certainly helps his lawyers. He's been crying that they values maralago at 18 million..which trump made up and y'all latch onto lol

By your logic, Schumer is banging Allison Greenfield.

Pretty sure you're the first to make that claim. Weird but okay.

[ClydeR]

Mar-a-Lago is a massive oceanfront property. If it were to go on sale for $18 million, I would sell everything I own including the clothes I’m wearing right down to my bare ass & secure whatever financing necessary to buy it. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know the market would bring much more.

Unfortunately for Trump, he failed to offer any evidence of the value of that property. He lost on that issue by default. The only way for Trump to prove the value of the property would be to have expert testimony. To have expert testimony, you have to list the expert and deliver the expert's report before the trial begins. As I explained in an earlier post, the only expert Trump offered was a broker whom Trump's attorneys described to the court as "the most accomplished and knowledgeable ultra-high net worth real estate broker in Palm Beach, Florida." That broker said in an affidavit that the property was worth more than a billion dollars, but the expert did not offer any evidence to support that conclusion. Without evidence, the expert was excluded from the trial, meaning Trump did not have any evidence regarding the value of Mar-a-Lago. Without any evidence, there was no issue of fact to be decided at the trial, resulting in summary judgment against Trump on that point. All Trump would have had to do would be to hire an appraiser and submit the appraisal report. Trump lost that issue through legal incompetence.

Trump and his attorneys have been complaining that there is no jury. In New York civil trials, either party may request a jury in advance. If nobody requests a jury, it is up to the judge. When Trump's attorneys raised that issue on the first day of the trial, the judge told them all they had to do was ask in advance, just like the rules require. Again, incompetent.

[Suppressed Poet]

Unfortunately for Trump, he failed to offer any evidence of the value of that property. He lost on that issue by default. The only way for Trump to prove the value of the property would be to have expert testimony. To have expert testimony, you have to list the expert and deliver the expert's report before the trial begins. As I explained in an earlier post, the only expert Trump offered was a broker whom Trump's attorneys described to the court as "the most accomplished and knowledgeable ultra-high net worth real estate broker in Palm Beach, Florida." That broker said in an affidavit that the property was worth more than a billion dollars, but the expert did not offer any evidence to support that conclusion. Without evidence, the expert was excluded from the trial, meaning Trump did not have any evidence regarding the value of Mar-a-Lago. Without any evidence, there was no issue of fact to be decided at the trial, resulting in summary judgment against Trump on that point. All Trump would have had to do would be to hire an appraiser and submit the appraisal report. Trump lost that issue through legal incompetence.

Trump and his attorneys have been complaining that there is no jury. In New York civil trials, either party may request a jury in advance. If nobody requests a jury, it is up to the judge. When Trump's attorneys raised that issue on the first day of the trial, the judge told them all they had to do was ask in advance, just like the rules require. Again, incompetent.

Ok, sure. I’m simply saying that any rational human being with a lick of sense on the topic of real estate knows that the property should be valued much higher than $18 million. I’m not challenging you on his legal defense. His lead attorney not checking a box that they desire a jury trial is indeed a sign of incompetence.

Are you going to say something about how more than 80% of these fraud charges are past the statute of limitations & that is going to greatly reduce his liability / damages owed?

[ClydeR]

Are you going to say something about how more than 80% of these fraud charges are past the statute of limitations & that is going to greatly reduce his liability / damages owed?

The two issues I wrote about were simple. The statute of limitations issue is very complicated. July 13, 2014, seems to be the cutoff for some of these defendants, and February 6, 2016, seems to be the cutoff date for other defendants. My understanding of Trump's argument is that many -- 80%? -- of the loans in question were funded earlier than the cutoff date. The AG's argument is that, notwithstanding the date when the loans were funded, Trump violated the law when he submitted annual financial statements, as required by the loan agreements, that were fraudulent to the lenders after the loans were funded and prior to the full repayment of the loans and, crucially, more recently than the cutoff date. The judge said in the summary judgement order that the AG was mostly correct on that point. It will surely be an issue in the inevitable appeal.

Which argument is correct? I can only guess.

[Suppressed Poet]

The two issues I wrote about were simple. The statute of limitations issue is very complicated. July 13, 2014, seems to be the cutoff for some of these defendants, and February 6, 2016, seems to be the cutoff date for other defendants. My understanding of Trump's argument is that many -- 80%? -- of the loans in question were funded earlier than the cutoff date. The AG's argument is that, notwithstanding the date when the loans were funded, Trump violated the law when he submitted annual financial statements, as required by the loan agreements, that were fraudulent to the lenders after the loans were funded and prior to the full repayment of the loans and, crucially, more recently than the cutoff date. The judge said in the summary judgement order that the AG was mostly correct on that point. It will surely be an issue in the inevitable appeal.

Which argument is correct? I can only guess.

Fair enough.

Can we agree that by judging the totality of everything we have seen thus far, for at least this case in particular the primary motivation for it’s existence is politically motivated to do Trump harm in his campaign for the Presidency in 2024?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

In the New York civil fraud case, day 2, after Trump posted on social media that the judge's clerk was dating Chuck Schumer, the judge issued a gag order against Trump. Trump posted a photo of the clerk meeting Schumer. So far as anybody knows, there is no truth to the allegation, and Trump just made it up because he found the photo. He's not exactly boosting his credibility with the judge.

Have you seen the judge and his views on jurors (and how he can override their judgement) and how he believes in total immunity of judges from slander? This guy makes Bernie Sanders looks like a rational human being. Like WTF is up with geriatrics in so many positions of power with no checks and balances? Justice is supposed to be blind, not posing for the camera and laughing it up when someone is in a trial. Especially one like this.

[ClydeR]

Fair enough.

Can we agree that by judging the totality of everything we have seen thus far, for at least this case in particular the primary motivation for it’s existence is politically motivated to do Trump harm in his campaign for the Presidency in 2024?


No. In my opinion, the primary motivation for the NY civil fraud case against the Trump organization was for the AG to fulfill her political campaign promise and to advance her political career.

[Seran]

No. In my opinion, the primary motivation for the NY civil fraud case against the Trump organization was for the AG to fulfill her political campaign promise and to advance her political career.

Yeah, because exposing someone's crimes is never about the crimes committed, and we've proven they were commited, but it has to have some other motivation. Except no, criminals should be punished and prevented from committing more crimes.

[Suppressed Poet]

No. In my opinion, the primary motivation for the NY civil fraud case against the Trump organization was for the AG to fulfill her political campaign promise and to advance her political career.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Her 2018 campaign promise was to litigiously pursue Trump who she called an “illegitimate president” and an “embarrassment”.

We’re on the same page.

[~Rocktar~]

OK, so, having looked into this sham, election interfearance trial, here is what I found.

1. The State of New York is going after Trump for defrauding banks and investors by mis-valuing his properties. NO bank or private entity has pressed charges and filed any complaints.
2. Because of the statute of limitations and the retarded nature of the prosecutor, around 80% of the charges in the case are null in the first day.
3. All the banks and large investors who Trump borrowed money from did their OWN Due Diligence before lending him money, which is very customary in large loans. Hell, a credit check and appraisal for a mortgage or car loan are just variations of due diligence for consumer credit. All of the mentioned entities went ahead and loaned Trump money so they, many international banks and very wealthy investors, must have agreed with Trump's assessment of his assets and collateral or they would not have loaned him the money.
4. All of the mentioned loans have been paid back in full, all accounts current or settled so no harm, default or other issue has occurred so there is no crime, the "victims" got paid back in full at the terms they set and were paid interest as agreed.
5. Unlike statutory rape and prostitution, the statues involved do no have "victimless" crime provisions which means that they are not crimes just by the commission of the acts.
6. Since there is no complaint, no suit and no reported impropriety by the other participants in the deals, there can be no crime.
7. The judge used a tax valuation sheet for residential property and still managed to completely fuck up the valuation since the property is 25 continuous acres with 126 room 62,500 square foot mansion converted into a private, for profit, club which should use a commercial property valuation since it is an income generating property.
8. Currently listed properties in the area with from 5000 sq feet to 10000 sq feet with less than an acre that are not beech front properties, within less than a mile are listed from 18-20 million so clearly the valuation is rubbish.

Key points, no victims, all loans repaid according to terms, property insanely valued by a retarded judge.

Election interfearance, I do believe so.

OH, and supposedly Trump was offered like 3 million just to not run again or some such. Sick huh?

[Anebriated]

Billion. SBF reportedly offered him 3 billion.

[Solkern]

OK, so, having looked into this sham, election interfearance trial, here is what I found.

1. The State of New York is going after Trump for defrauding banks and investors by mis-valuing his properties. NO bank or private entity has pressed charges and filed any complaints.
2. Because of the statute of limitations and the retarded nature of the prosecutor, around 80% of the charges in the case are null in the first day.
3. All the banks and large investors who Trump borrowed money from did their OWN Due Diligence before lending him money, which is very customary in large loans. Hell, a credit check and appraisal for a mortgage or car loan are just variations of due diligence for consumer credit. All of the mentioned entities went ahead and loaned Trump money so they, many international banks and very wealthy investors, must have agreed with Trump's assessment of his assets and collateral or they would not have loaned him the money.
4. All of the mentioned loans have been paid back in full, all accounts current or settled so no harm, default or other issue has occurred so there is no crime, the "victims" got paid back in full at the terms they set and were paid interest as agreed.
5. Unlike statutory rape and prostitution, the statues involved do no have "victimless" crime provisions which means that they are not crimes just by the commission of the acts.
6. Since there is no complaint, no suit and no reported impropriety by the other participants in the deals, there can be no crime.
7. The judge used a tax valuation sheet for residential property and still managed to completely fuck up the valuation since the property is 25 continuous acres with 126 room 62,500 square foot mansion converted into a private, for profit, club which should use a commercial property valuation since it is an income generating property.
8. Currently listed properties in the area with from 5000 sq feet to 10000 sq feet with less than an acre that are not beech front properties, within less than a mile are listed from 18-20 million so clearly the valuation is rubbish.

Key points, no victims, all loans repaid according to terms, property insanely valued by a retarded judge.

Election interfearance, I do believe so.

OH, and supposedly Trump was offered like 3 million just to not run again or some such. Sick huh?

You forgot to mention the lowering of value/undervaluing to save millions in taxes. That’s called defrauding the state.

Such as he claims his place in Florida is worth 729m, yet when it was valued in court at 27m before, he said that’s too high…. Which is it?

That’s called fraud Rocktar. You know in a lot of states, it doesn’t matter if said person/company wants to press charges? The state can do it with or without consent or approval.

[Anebriated]

You forgot to mention the lowering of value/undervaluing to save millions in taxes. That’s called defrauding the state.

Such as he claims his place in Florida is worth 729m, yet when it was valued in court at 27m before, he said that’s too high…. Which is it?

That’s called fraud Rocktar. You know in a lot of states, it doesn’t matter if said person/company wants to press charges? The state can do it with or without consent or approval.

banks have to do appraisals and sign off/agree to the deal/values themselves. Tax assessment is the responsibility of the local government and values typically lag well behind market values.

My municipality updates tax assessment every 10years.

[Solkern]

banks have to do appraisals and sign off/agree to the deal/values themselves. Tax assessment is the responsibility of the local government and values typically lag well behind market values.

That’s fine, and not disputing that. Were the bank stupid for believing his shit? Yes they were. It still doesn’t change the fact that fraud was committed. He purposely overvalued his property for loans, and undervalued his property for tax purposes. Fraud. It doesn’t matter if the banks don’t want to pursue charges. The state is allowed to pursue charges if they believe a crime has been committed.

It’s like a Ponzi scheme, why was Madoff in prison? It wasn’t his fault that the people that gave him money didn’t do their “due diligence”. It wasn’t his fault they believed his lies. He shouldn’t have gone to prison, right?

He committed fraud, just as Trump did.

[Anebriated]

If it’s fraud then there will be evidence of the fabricated documents and I’m sure the NY AG has the evidence like they did every other time they took trump to court.

[Solkern]

If it’s fraud then there will be evidence of the fabricated documents and I’m sure the NY AG has the evidence like they did every other time they took trump to court.

He was found guilty, so obviously they had evidence.

[~Rocktar~]

You forgot to mention the lowering of value/undervaluing to save millions in taxes. That’s called defrauding the state.

Such as he claims his place in Florida is worth 729m, yet when it was valued in court at 27m before, he said that’s too high…. Which is it?

That’s called fraud Rocktar. You know in a lot of states, it doesn’t matter if said person/company wants to press charges? The state can do it with or without consent or approval.

So the judge says it's worth 18 million and he says it's worth loads more and somehow that is undervaluing the property for tax purposes? Yeah, you are full of shit. Also, they aren't prosecuting tax evasion, that's a different crime.


He was found guilty, so obviously they had evidence.

Right, just like OJ was acquitted so that means he was innocent. You really are bad at this. This is election interfearance and purely political prosecution and the judge is doing a good job making sure there is PLENTY of grounds for appeal and overturn.

[Parkbandit]

He is so stupid, the gag order certainly helps his lawyers. He's been crying that they values maralago at 18 million..which trump made up and y'all latch onto lol

You would literally have to have a full blown case of TDS to believe that estate is only worth 18 million. All that is required is you have the capability to look at comp set around that area and know 18 million is wildly underpriced by multiple factors of 10.

[Parkbandit]

That’s called fraud Rocktar. You know in a lot of states, it doesn’t matter if said person/company wants to press charges? The state can do it with or without consent or approval.

With a fraud, there is always a victim of said fraud.

Who specifically, was the victim here?

[Parkbandit]

That’s fine, and not disputing that. Were the bank stupid for believing his shit? Yes they were. It still doesn’t change the fact that fraud was committed. He purposely overvalued his property for loans, and undervalued his property for tax purposes. Fraud. It doesn’t matter if the banks don’t want to pursue charges. The state is allowed to pursue charges if they believe a crime has been committed.

It’s like a Ponzi scheme, why was Madoff in prison? It wasn’t his fault that the people that gave him money didn’t do their “due diligence”. It wasn’t his fault they believed his lies. He shouldn’t have gone to prison, right?

He committed fraud, just as Trump did.

There were specific individuals who were victimized by Madoff and his ponzi scheme. They lost millions of dollars.

Who specifically are the victims of Trump's "fraud" case?

[Solkern]

So the judge says it's worth 18 million and he says it's worth loads more and somehow that is undervaluing the property for tax purposes? Yeah, you are full of shit. Also, they aren't prosecuting tax evasion, that's a different crime.



Right, just like OJ was acquitted so that means he was innocent. You really are bad at this. This is election interfearance and purely political prosecution and the judge is doing a good job making sure there is PLENTY of grounds for appeal and overturn.

No, the appraiser said 27m in a court document and Trump said that’s too high, yet at the same time he said it’s valued at 729m. So which is it rocktar? Funny, when he files taxes, it’s worth less than 27m, but when he gets loans from the bank, it’s worth over 700m! That’s called fraud.

And an FYI, fraud doesn’t require victims, fraud is a crime, and a crime was committed.

The judge didn’t appraise his property… you know this right? Palm Beach County Property Appraiser valuations putting the property at between $18 million and $28 million, depending on the year, from 2011 to 2021.

[Methais]

Have you seen the judge and his views on jurors (and how he can override their judgement) and how he believes in total immunity of judges from slander? This guy makes Bernie Sanders looks like a rational human being. Like WTF is up with geriatrics in so many positions of power with no checks and balances? Justice is supposed to be blind, not posing for the camera and laughing it up when someone is in a trial. Especially one like this.

https://i.imgur.com/urIqqQN.png

Thin out his hair a little more and he's the old guy from Poltergeist.

[Methais]

interfearance

https://media.tenor.com/VmXQ1ma8IDwAAAAC/filthy-frank-its-time-to-stop.gif

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

There were specific individuals who were victimized by Madoff and his ponzi scheme. They lost millions of dollars.

Madoff was also a fiduciary. Again, Solkern should not debate.

[Suppressed Poet]

No, the appraiser said 27m in a court document and Trump said that’s too high, yet at the same time he said it’s valued at 729m. So which is it rocktar? Funny, when he files taxes, it’s worth less than 27m, but when he gets loans from the bank, it’s worth over 700m! That’s called fraud.

And an FYI, fraud doesn’t require victims, fraud is a crime, and a crime was committed.

The judge didn’t appraise his property… you know this right? Palm Beach County Property Appraiser valuations putting the property at between $18 million and $28 million, depending on the year, from 2011 to 2021.

Bro… Mar-a-Lago is a luxury ocean front 17-acre estate in Palm Beach boasting 58 bedrooms, 33 bathrooms, 12 fireplaces, five tennis courts, and a 20,000 square-foot ballroom decorated with gold leaves. I know we differ in politics, you hate Trump’s guts, but you are not a dumbass. An appraisal of $18-$28 million between those years is absolutely ridiculous by a wide margin.

My Dallas county property tax valuation is much lower than what the market would actually bring. I fight them (legally) every couple years they assess. It’s a pain in the ass because you have to go downtown to show them pictures of any and all flaws, but it’s totally worth it. That’s not fraud. Nobody likes paying taxes and it’s our right to dispute what they value it to be.

[Anebriated]

No, the appraiser said 27m in a court document and Trump said that’s too high, yet at the same time he said it’s valued at 729m. So which is it rocktar? Funny, when he files taxes, it’s worth less than 27m, but when he gets loans from the bank, it’s worth over 700m! That’s called fraud.

And an FYI, fraud doesn’t require victims, fraud is a crime, and a crime was committed.

The judge didn’t appraise his property… you know this right? Palm Beach County Property Appraiser valuations putting the property at between $18 million and $28 million, depending on the year, from 2011 to 2021.

Go look up the difference between assessed value vs appraised value. Typically the assessed value(used for tax purposes and assigned by the local municipality) is a small % of appraised value. It is also a different calculation for residential vs commercial property.

[Solkern]

Bro… Mar-a-Lago is a luxury ocean front 17-acre estate in Palm Beach boasting 58 bedrooms, 33 bathrooms, 12 fireplaces, five tennis courts, and a 20,000 square-foot ballroom decorated with gold leaves. I know we differ in politics, you hate Trump’s guts, but you are not a dumbass. An appraisal of $18-$28 million between those years is absolutely ridiculous by a wide margin.

My Dallas county property tax valuation is much lower than what the market would actually bring. I fight them (legally) every couple years they assess. It’s a pain in the ass because you have to go downtown to show them pictures of any and all flaws, but it’s totally worth it. That’s not fraud. Nobody likes paying taxes and it’s our right to dispute what they value it to be.


You know there are reasons why it’s not worth as much as it should be right? The deed is fucking permanently gutted. That’s why the value is so low. Now if that deed wasn’t gutted to death, its value could be fucking crazy high. But it is gutted, and it can ONLY be a country club and nothing else. That’s why it’s value is trash for the property it is.

It’s not about “hating” Trump. There are other properties just as nice or BETTER, that aren’t worth close to that, and that’s without a gutted deed.

[Anebriated]

You know there are reasons why it’s not worth as much as it should be right? The deed is fucking permanently gutted. That’s why the value is so low. Now if that deed wasn’t gutted to death, its value could be fucking crazy high. But it is gutted, and it can ONLY be a country club and nothing else. That’s why it’s value is trash for the property it is.

It’s not about “hating” Trump. There are other properties just as nice or BETTER, that aren’t worth close to that, and that’s without a gutted deed.

Let’s see those properties

[Parkbandit]

No, the appraiser said 27m in a court document and Trump said that’s too high, yet at the same time he said it’s valued at 729m. So which is it rocktar? Funny, when he files taxes, it’s worth less than 27m, but when he gets loans from the bank, it’s worth over 700m! That’s called fraud.

And an FYI, fraud doesn’t require victims, fraud is a crime, and a crime was committed.

Wrong.

Under common law, three elements are required to prove fraud: a material false statement made with an intent to deceive (scienter), a victim's reliance on the statement and damages.

https://www.journalofaccountancy.com/issues/2004/oct/basiclegalconcepts.html#:~:text=Under%20common%20l aw%2C%20three%20elements,on%20the%20statement%20an d%20damages.


The judge didn’t appraise his property… you know this right? Palm Beach County Property Appraiser valuations putting the property at between $18 million and $28 million, depending on the year, from 2011 to 2021.

So... in your brain, the price between 18 and 28 million is right?

Look at the comp set in that area.. take into account the acres.. the homes.. the size of the building... the double ocean front. Hell, it makes 20 million in revenue every year.. and in your brain it's only worth 18 to 28 million? Like how badly has the TDS infected whatever is left of your brain to come to that conclusion?

I hope Trump now gets to pay the taxes on his property at that appraised price.

[Parkbandit]

Madoff was also a fiduciary. Again, Solkern should not debate.

Hey now, Soykern is in the financial sector.. I mean sure, he has no idea that deficit and debt are 2 different things.. but he is the authority on all things financial........

[Parkbandit]

I know we differ in politics, you hate Trump’s guts, but you are not a dumbass.

You gave Seran that same benefit of doubt.. and look where that got you.

Soykern is cut from the same retard cloth.

[Solkern]

Let’s see those properties

3. Gemini, Manalapan, FL

Price: $165 million
Deluxe details: If you’re a fan of Palm Beach, you’ll find this South Florida compound a showstopper. The 15-acre, ocean-to-lake property features a 62,200-square-foot house, which has 33 beds, 38 baths, and 14 half-baths. Entertainment options include a pool, putting green, tennis court, and docks for boating and water spots. There’s also a 1,500-species botanical garden featuring a “walk through the Caribbean.” Best of all? This place just had a $30 million price cut.


https://www.realtor.com/news/trends/most-expensive-homes-on-the-market/?cid=sem_20425414205_160583057908_668337660438:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!15120!3!668337660438!!!g!!&gbraid=0AAAAAD6NRB-dEpCTRNzjOrfYsv345kqWi&gclid=Cj0KCQjwmvSoBhDOARIsAK6aV7j72hxYsNEUstUYTGmH 7vVqkSg9Kv2oEE8mc5MOdsgyid1XYo4gHVYaAnQjEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

$145 Million – Jule Pond Southampton, Long Island, NY
On April 2, 2021, a 42-acre estate in Southampton with more beach-frontage than any other private residence on Long Island, sold for a whopping $145 million. Originally listed for $175 million, the seller was a financier named Brenda Earl, who bought the estate in 2002 for $21.75 million. The property was originally developed in 1960 by Henry Ford's grandson, Henry Ford II, aka "Hank the deuce".

None of these have gutted deeds.

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/celebrity-homes/expensive-homes-ever-sold-united-states/?amp=1


Like I said, if his deed wasn’t gutted, the value of it would be fucking INSANE. But his deed restricts the property to only a country club, which makes the value crap compared to what it should be. You understand this right?

Mar-a-Lago is deed restricted as a private club. The deed itself is restricted, it can't be used for any other purpose, as such our office values it as we value the other private clubs in Palm Beach County," Haltermon Robinson said.

Deed restrictions can hurt a property's value, said Eli Beracha, the director of Florida International University's Hollo School of Real Estate.

"Clearly, when you have restrictions on a property, it'll only decrease, not increase the value of the property," Beracha said. "Every time you limit basically what the property can be, the chances are that it decreases the value."


It can’t be developed, changed it any way. That LOWERS that value significantly.

[Parkbandit]

You know there are reasons why it’s not worth as much as it should be right? The deed is fucking permanently gutted. That’s why the value is so low. Now if that deed wasn’t gutted to death, its value could be fucking crazy high. But it is gutted, and it can ONLY be a country club and nothing else. That’s why it’s value is trash for the property it is.

It’s not about “hating” Trump. There are other properties just as nice or BETTER, that aren’t worth close to that, and that’s without a gutted deed.

"IT CAN ONLY BE A COUNTRY CLUB AND IT ONLY MAKES 20 MILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUE A YEAR.. NO WONDER IT'S ONLY WORTH 18 MILLION" -Soykern's expert fiscal quote of the year.

[Seran]

Wrong.

Under common law, three elements are required to prove fraud: a material false statement made with an intent to deceive (scienter), a victim's reliance on the statement and damages.

https://www.journalofaccountancy.com/issues/2004/oct/basiclegalconcepts.html#:~:text=Under%20common%20l aw%2C%20three%20elements,on%20the%20statement%20an d%20damages.



So... in your brain, the price between 18 and 28 million is right?

Look at the comp set in that area.. take into account the acres.. the homes.. the size of the building... the double ocean front. Hell, it makes 20 million in revenue every year.. and in your brain it's only worth 18 to 28 million? Like how badly has the TDS infected whatever is left of your brain to come to that conclusion?

I hope Trump now gets to pay the taxes on his property at that appraised price.

Trump intentionally filed conflicting documents over the same property with valuations different by orders of magnitude. For tax purposes he intently valued it at less than 30m, thus reducing his property taxes, and for loan backing purposes, he valued in the hundreds of millions, again for personal gain. The taxing authority and governments took losses in tax revenues, while the banks were exposed to additional risk by taking on grossly overvalued assets. All three elements of your own definition are met, even though you fail to see the prosecutor doesn't follow an internet 'common law' definition. Stop being a dumb cuck.

[Solkern]

Bro… Mar-a-Lago is a luxury ocean front 17-acre estate in Palm Beach boasting 58 bedrooms, 33 bathrooms, 12 fireplaces, five tennis courts, and a 20,000 square-foot ballroom decorated with gold leaves. I know we differ in politics, you hate Trump’s guts, but you are not a dumbass. An appraisal of $18-$28 million between those years is absolutely ridiculous by a wide margin.


May I ask, why you think this? What are you basing your comparisons on? Because the person who assess the value of it, compared to other country clubs in the area. Because that’s what Mar-a-lago is.. a country club and nothing else, and it will never be anything else. He also took into account the deed restrictions, as well, that other countries clubs DO NOT HAVE.

You can’t just list off what a property has and where it’s located and say it has to be worth more! It doesn’t work like that.
Like I said, if the deed wasn’t restricted, the value would be fucking crazy. There’s a reason why trump only paid 10m(28m in todays money) for it.

[Parkbandit]

Trump intentionally filed conflicting documents over the same property with valuations different by orders of magnitude. For tax purposes he intently valued it at less than 30m, thus reducing his property taxes, and for loan backing purposes, he valued in the hundreds of millions, again for personal gain. The taxing authority and governments took losses in tax revenues, while the banks were exposed to additional risk by taking on grossly overvalued assets. All three elements of your own definition are met, even though you fail to see the prosecutor doesn't follow an internet 'common law' definition. Stop being a dumb cuck.

If the loan was left unpaid, we would have a victim.

There's no victim in this "crime" and it's all manufactured because of his politics.

[Parkbandit]

May I ask, why you think this? What are you basing your comparisons on? Because the person who assess the value of it, compared to other country clubs in the area. Because that’s what Mar-a-lago is.. a country club and nothing else, and it will never be anything else. He also took into account the deed restrictions, as well, that other countries clubs DO NOT HAVE.

You can’t just list off what a property has and where it’s located and say it has to be worth more! It doesn’t work like that.
Like I said, if the deed wasn’t restricted, the value would be fucking crazy. There’s a reason why trump only paid 10m(28m in todays money) for it.

He purchased the property in 1985 and put millions more into it.

The "Only a country club" has revenue of 20 million dollars per year.. and in your head it's only worth 18-27 million.

If you really worked in the financial sector and didn't have a raging case of TDS, you would know that this valuation is way the fuck off.

But you do.. and here you are dying on this retard hill with your bestie Seran.

Please continue to defend your retardation... because it's highly entertaining.

[Seran]

If the loan was left unpaid, we would have a victim.

There's no victim in this "crime" and it's all manufactured because of his politics.

And yet the New York State criminal and civil statutes obviously disagree with you as demonstrated by the current proceedings.

[Suppressed Poet]

May I ask, why you think this? What are you basing your comparisons on? Because the person who assess the value of it, compared to other country clubs in the area. Because that’s what Mar-a-lago is.. a country club and nothing else, and it will never be anything else. He also took into account the deed restrictions, as well.

I’ll admit that I was unaware of the deed restriction and haven’t followed every single detail of this case.

My basis is simple. Even small oceanfront condos go for millions of dollars. Mar-a-Lago isn’t small. With 17 acres of ocean front property, the land alone has to be well over $100 million. I’m not an expert in real estate, but I invest in them locally.

This whole case is bullshit by the way. Nobody was defrauded. You cannot convince me that this is blind justice. Even ClydeR in so many words acknowledges the extraordinary motivation of the DA.

[ClydeR]

If the loan was left unpaid, we would have a victim.

There's no victim in this "crime" and it's all manufactured because of his politics.


In your view, would it be okay for the rest of us to lie to lenders, so long as we manage to repay the loan? Or does that rule only apply to Trump?

[Suppressed Poet]

In your view, would it be okay for the rest of us to lie to lenders, so long as we manage to repay the loan? Or does that rule only apply to Trump?

If the lenders have no complaints, yes. It passed their underwriting & they accepted the property valuation when making the decision to lend. The lender is taking on the risk and have a responsibility to assess. Why does government need to interfere when neither party has any issues?

If I tell the bank my home is worth $5 billion, and the lender agrees and give me a home equity line of credit based on that value, and I pay it back according to the terms…who was defrauded? It’s my bank’s dumbass fault for accepting that valuation, but lucky for them there was no harm or foul when I paid back the loan.

[Seran]

Law enforcement isn't interference, just saying.

[Methais]

Law enforcement isn't interference, just saying.

Look how stupid you are.

[Suppressed Poet]

Law enforcement isn't interference, just saying.

LOL

I guess you also believe countries like China & Russia have free and fair elections?

[Suppressed Poet]

You gave Seran that same benefit of doubt.. and look where that got you.

Soykern is cut from the same retard cloth.

I’ll admit I’m inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt in assuming people’s good intentions & general competency unless they show me otherwise. In that regard I would make a terrible detective.

That being said, I disagree Solkern is cut from the same retard cloth as Seran. They may share some common ground in political ideologies, but it’s evident to me Solkern is much more mentally competent. I don’t think you would dispute that. There is only one retard GOAT. Solkern is definitely left leaning but I don’t find him to be completely unreasonable, even if he is rather wishy-washy with his position on certain issues. Seran on the other hand, I’m constantly amazed by the sure depth of his stupidity to the point I have trouble understanding how that is possible.

[Parkbandit]

I’ll admit I’m inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt in assuming people’s good intentions & general competency unless they show me otherwise. In that regard I would make a terrible detective.

That being said, I disagree Solkern is cut from the same retard cloth as Seran. They may share some common ground in political ideologies, but it’s evident to me Solkern is much more mentally competent. I don’t think you would dispute that. There is only one retard GOAT. Solkern is definitely left leaning but I don’t find him to be completely unreasonable, even if he is rather wishy-washy with his position on certain issues. Seran on the other hand, I’m constantly amazed by the sure depth of his stupidity to the point I have trouble understanding how that is possible.

Same retard cloth.. Seran's cloth was just dragged along the dirt for a few years, causing it to fray more.

Stupid is stupid.

[Parkbandit]

In your view, would it be okay for the rest of us to lie to lenders, so long as we manage to repay the loan? Or does that rule only apply to Trump?

I've never had a bank that just gives me a loan because I said my collateral is worth whatever I state it is worth.

The bank's responsible for verifying that.

[Parkbandit]

Law enforcement isn't interference, just saying.

Jesus... how?

Just when I thought no one could outstupid Soykern's "IT'S ONLY WORTH 18-27 MILLION EVEN THOUGH IT MAKES 20 MILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUE A YEAR!".. you come in and force people to remember how you attained the title of Retard Champion.

Soykern should be so thankful you spend your time here... otherwise he would be the title holder.

[Anebriated]

id be curious to see the documents for things like land vs improvement value and whatnot. I could see the improved value being relatively low overall. a 10/90 split would put the 18-27m property tax assessment at 180-270m and thats not factoring in any sort of abatement or easement. If there were no major upgrades to the property then its entirely possible that the tax assessed value hasnt increased more than the 3% any owner occupied property goes up every year despite what property values have done in that same time frame.

[ClydeR]

I've never had a bank that just gives me a loan because I said my collateral is worth whatever I state it is worth.

The bank's responsible for verifying that.

It's not okay to lie to a gullible lender.

[Anebriated]

It's not okay to lie to a gullible lender.

There is a HUGE gap between offering your own assessed value of a property and outright lieing to a financial institution that has entire divisions dedicated to researching fair value on properties that also signed on the dotted line that they approve the terms.

[Solkern]

I’ll admit that I was unaware of the deed restriction and haven’t followed every single detail of this case.

My basis is simple. Even small oceanfront condos go for millions of dollars. Mar-a-Lago isn’t small. With 17 acres of ocean front property, the land alone has to be well over $100 million. I’m not an expert in real estate, but I invest in them locally.

This whole case is bullshit by the way. Nobody was defrauded. You cannot convince me that this is blind justice. Even ClydeR in so many words acknowledges the extraordinary motivation of the DA.

The deed restriction is what makes the property lose A LOT of its value. That’s the issue with Mar-A-Lago. Trump is claiming its value, as if it didn’t have that deed restriction. If it wasn’t for that, I’d 10000x agree with you. While I do think 28m is undervalued, at the same time, it was assessed based on other country clubs in the area. Me not being an expert on club property valuation in that area, I’m inclined to believe the expert, unless another expert steps forward, assess the property, and gives another valuation.

Investing in property, that can become commercial real estate, housing development, is a damn good investment. That freedom is what props up the value by a lot. Imagine buying beach front property, that can only be used as a parking lot? While it has value, is doesn’t have anywhere near the value it could have, if you could develop on it. That’s the issue with mar-a-lago

[Methais]

It's not okay to lie to a gullible lender.

What lenders do you know who will just take someone's word on what XYZ is worth?

Please give me their contact info.

[Solkern]

What lenders do you know who will just take someone's word on what XYZ is worth?

Please give me their contact info.

Quite a lot do actually. Credit cards do it all the time.

[Methais]

Quite a lot do actually. Credit cards do it all the time.

If you could just provide me with the contact info of the ones you have first hand experience with that have blindly taken your word on the value of XYZ and nothing else when taking out a big loan, that'd be fantastic.

Thanks in advance!

https://i.imgur.com/k5DOKhT.gif

[Anebriated]

What I am really curious about is the precedent this is setting when it gets back to the rest of congress. Who else has over-inflated their properties/net worth while taking out loans where this can be used as legal precedent to claw back political empires.

[Solkern]

If you could just provide me with the contact info of the ones you have first hand experience with that have blindly taken your word on the value of XYZ and nothing else when taking out a big loan, that'd be fantastic.

Thanks in advance!

https://i.imgur.com/k5DOKhT.gif


Sure, I got a 15k apple credit card, with zero information except my SS# and how much I make a month. They didn’t even bother to verify my income or ask for any type of shit.

Same goes for my $40k Amex plat and $28k Chase Sapp. None asked for any supporting documents. Credit cards are loans.
I said I make(worth) this much every month, give me a credit card, and they did.

I can easily go to my bank and get a substantial loan, just based on my credit score alone.

Do you need me to provide links to their sites?

And “big” is quite relative… if you wanna go by Trump’s net worth, let’s say $5b? 5% of that is $250m. I can easily get a loan of 5% of my net worth, with just my credit score alone. I can throw whatever documents I want at them, that doesn’t matter, they’ll trust me, just based on my score.

[Solkern]

What I am really curious about is the precedent this is setting when it gets back to the rest of congress. Who else has over-inflated their properties/net worth while taking out loans where this can be used as legal precedent to claw back political empires.

I’m sure a lot have, and if they knowingly committed fraud, they should face justice just as trump has

[Methais]

Sure, I got a 15k apple credit card, with zero information except my SS# and how much I make a month. They didn’t even bother to verify my income or ask for any type of shit.

Same goes for my $40k Amex plat and $28k Chase Sapp. None asked for any supporting documents. Credit cards are loans.
I said I make(worth) this much every month, give me a credit card, and they did.

I can easily go to my bank and get a substantial loan, just based on my credit score alone.

Do you need me to provide links to their sites?

And “big” is quite relative… if you wanna go by Trump’s net worth, let’s say $5b? 5% of that is $250m. I can easily get a loan of 5% of my net worth, with just my credit score alone. I can throw whatever documents I want at them, that doesn’t matter, they’ll trust me, just based on my score.

I'm calling the police.

EDIT: And Estild

[Anebriated]

Credit cards are a different story, thats why interest rates are so much higher than collateralized loans. When you buy a house/land/car, the item itself is the collateral.

edit: and shirley you understand the difference between a 500m property and a 50k unsecured credit card loan, right?

[Suppressed Poet]

It's not okay to lie to a gullible lender.

So back in 2008 when the housing market collapsed, did we prosecute people whose stated income was actually lower than what they put down on their loan application? Do you blame the borrowers that lied, or the banks that accepted it so they lend a ton of subprime mortgages, or our government who encouraged it? Seems odd to me that you would be the banks’ champion in all of this.

[Suppressed Poet]

The deed restriction is what makes the property lose A LOT of its value. That’s the issue with Mar-A-Lago. Trump is claiming its value, as if it didn’t have that deed restriction. If it wasn’t for that, I’d 10000x agree with you. While I do think 28m is undervalued, at the same time, it was assessed based on other country clubs in the area. Me not being an expert on club property valuation in that area, I’m inclined to believe the expert, unless another expert steps forward, assess the property, and gives another valuation.

Investing in property, that can become commercial real estate, housing development, is a damn good investment. That freedom is what props up the value by a lot. Imagine buying beach front property, that can only be used as a parking lot? While it has value, is doesn’t have anywhere near the value it could have, if you could develop on it. That’s the issue with mar-a-lago

Market value fluctuates all the time as it’s simply trying to predict what someone is willing to pay. Let’s assume for a moment you are correct. The bigger question and issue I have is why is NY going after him for something arguably past the statute of limitations & when nobody was actually damaged? We both know why and the DA made her intentions clear during her 2018 campaign. Take Trump out of the equation…are you really ok with that and the precedent this sets?

[Parkbandit]

The deed restriction is what makes the property lose A LOT of its value. That’s the issue with Mar-A-Lago. Trump is claiming its value, as if it didn’t have that deed restriction. If it wasn’t for that, I’d 10000x agree with you. While I do think 28m is undervalued, at the same time, it was assessed based on other country clubs in the area. Me not being an expert on club property valuation in that area, I’m inclined to believe the expert, unless another expert steps forward, assess the property, and gives another valuation.

Investing in property, that can become commercial real estate, housing development, is a damn good investment. That freedom is what props up the value by a lot. Imagine buying beach front property, that can only be used as a parking lot? While it has value, is doesn’t have anywhere near the value it could have, if you could develop on it. That’s the issue with mar-a-lago

There's our little mealy-mouthed retard.

I was wondering when you would fall down off your retard hill.

[Parkbandit]

Credit cards are a different story, thats why interest rates are so much higher than collateralized loans. When you buy a house/land/car, the item itself is the collateral.

edit: and shirley you understand the difference between a 500m property and a 50k unsecured credit card loan, right?

Shirley has never made it apparent that he knows the difference between anything relating to the banking industry.

Also, I enjoy your nickname for him... it has a better ring than Soykern.

[ClydeR]

So back in 2008 when the housing market collapsed, did we prosecute people whose stated income was actually lower than what they put down on their loan application? Do you blame the borrowers that lied, or the banks that accepted it so they lend a ton of subprime mortgages, or our government who encouraged it? Seems odd to me that you would be the banks’ champion in all of this.

That's an excellent point! The economic collapse of 2008 is an example of what can happen. Banks and the government have an obligation to maintain high lending standards, but borrowers also have an obligation to be honest with lenders. The harm is not just to the lender but to all of society.

I think many people in this thread have forgotten exactly what the AG alleged in this case. The original complaint -- all 222 pages of it -- is at https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/tto_complaint.pdf There is a hyperlinked table of contents on the sixth page, in case you want to look up allegations about only one property.

[Anebriated]

this has the same energy as the banks/government having an obligation to maintain high lending standards with college loans.

[Suppressed Poet]

That's an excellent point! The economic collapse of 2008 is an example of what can happen. Banks and the government have an obligation to maintain high lending standards, but borrowers also have an obligation to be honest with lenders. The harm is not just to the lender but to all of society.

I think many people in this thread have forgotten exactly what the AG alleged in this case. The original complaint -- all 222 pages of it -- is at https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/tto_complaint.pdf There is a hyperlinked table of contents on the sixth page, in case you want to look up allegations about only one property.

Ok, so answer my question then. Should we go back (or should we have) and review everyone’s loan application from that time and sue for damages anybody that overstated their income? The banks got bailed out. I want to know if your position is the borrowers (including working class minorities trying to achieve the American dream of homeownership) have the lion share of blame for the subprime collapse and that they should be held accountable with civil damages.

[Solkern]

Credit cards are a different story, thats why interest rates are so much higher than collateralized loans. When you buy a house/land/car, the item itself is the collateral.

edit: and shirley you understand the difference between a 500m property and a 50k unsecured credit card loan, right?

Of course, it was just an example. But loans are given out all the time, with zero due diligence. I’m sure if Jeff Bezos asked for a 100m loan, banks aren’t going to go to deep into it, banks would be clamoring over having him as a client.

[Solkern]

Ok, so answer my question then. Should we go back (or should we have) and review everyone’s loan application from that time and sue for damages anybody that overstated their income? The banks got bailed out. I want to know if your position is the borrowers (including working class minorities trying to achieve the American dream of homeownership) have the lion share of blame for the subprime collapse and that they should be held accountable with civil damages.

If you committed fraud, you should be held accountable.

[Parkbandit]

Of course, it was just an example. But loans are given out all the time, with zero due diligence. I’m sure if Jeff Bezos asked for a 100m loan, banks aren’t going to go to deep into it.

Loans of the magnitude we are talking about are not given out all the time with zero due diligence. Are you sure you work in the financial sector?

If Jeff Bezos asked for a 100 m loan, they will make sure their nut is absolutely covered... the same way they did for Trump.

And since all the loans were already paid off.. there was literally zero victims in this "fraud" "crime".

Most normal people see it as it actually is: Just a crazed DA being able to check off a campaign promise.

[Seran]

LOL

I guess you also believe countries like China & Russia have free and fair elections?

I must have lost all concept of time and space, but last time I checked we don't live in Russia or China and have a codified set of laws both at the state and federal level. Are you saying we should be living under the standards of other countries or is this just because it's Trump you feel he doesn't have to follow New York and the laws of the Untied States?

[Parkbandit]

I must have lost all concept of time and space, but last time I checked we don't live in Russia or China and have a codified set of laws both at the state and federal level. Are you saying we should be living under the standards of other countries or is this just because it's Trump you feel he doesn't have to follow New York and the laws of the Untied States?

This case is a political case brought by one party against their "enemy".. which sounds much closer to Russia and China than it does the United States of America.

[Seran]

So back in 2008 when the housing market collapsed, did we prosecute people whose stated income was actually lower than what they put down on their loan application? Do you blame the borrowers that lied, or the banks that accepted it so they lend a ton of subprime mortgages, or our government who encouraged it? Seems odd to me that you would be the banks’ champion in all of this.

Do you have examples of this or are you just in the habit of making up baseless inferences without facts to try and protect your shitty arguments?

[Suppressed Poet]

If you committed fraud, you should be held accountable.

Thing is:

1) We didn’t do that.
2) If we had, a significant portion of the population (chiefly the economically deprived) would have been sued by our government. I don’t believe you. You would not be ok with that.

The point of this exercise is that this case is selective prosecution & banks hold the primary responsibility to do their own due diligence for risk evaluation.

[Solkern]

Market value fluctuates all the time as it’s simply trying to predict what someone is willing to pay. Let’s assume for a moment you are correct. The bigger question and issue I have is why is NY going after him for something arguably past the statute of limitations & when nobody was actually damaged? We both know why and the DA made her intentions clear during her 2018 campaign. Take Trump out of the equation…are you really ok with that and the precedent this sets?

You’re right, it does fluctuate, but that fluctuation doesn’t have the sway on his gutted deed as it would on a property that isn’t restricted to hell.

I personally believe the statue of limitation is bullshit, but that’s besides the point. I don’t know the exact rules on the limitations, but from my understanding is this. The statue only runs while one is a resident of New York, by Trump moving to Florida, suspended that countdown, or whatever you want to call it. Whether you agree with it or not, that’s the law there.

Now regarding a campaign promise, I’m pretty sure Trump has said if he becomes president, he’s going after all the people that came after him, and you and others are ok with that, is that any different? She made a campaign promise to go after a prominent figure who she and many others believe committed fraud. The court has found him guilty. People say shit all the time on the campaign trails.. they lie all the time, she actually followed up with what she said she was going to do, I give her props for that, and hope people follow the precedent she set, by actually keeping their promises.

Now on the precedent you are actually talking about. :D I think it was not a good idea and I’m not ok with it, because of the optics it brings.

[Seran]

This case is a political case brought by one party against their "enemy".. which sounds much closer to Russia and China than it does the United States of America.

Your opinion that laws should be selectively enforced based upon someone's declared intent to be an elected official has nothing to do with reality.

[Solkern]

Thing is:

1) We didn’t do that.
2) If we had, a significant portion of the population (chiefly the economically deprived) would have been sued by our government. I don’t believe you. You would not be ok with that.

The point of this exercise is that this case is selective prosecution & banks hold the primary responsibility to do their own due diligence for risk evaluation.

No, I would be completely fine with it. If you commit a crime, you should be held accountable… I’ve always maintained that. Rich people should not only be targeted due to their wealth, and vice versa.

[Methais]

My opinion that laws should be selectively enforced based upon someone's declared intent to not be a democrat has nothing to do with reality.

This is correct.

[Suppressed Poet]

Do you have examples of this or are you just in the habit of making up baseless inferences without facts to try and protect your shitty arguments?

My mom worked for Fox & Jacobs at that time (builder).

Everyone else knows what I’m talking about. Google stated income stated assets (sisa) and it’s impact on subprime mortgages before the Great Recession.

[ClydeR]

Ok, so answer my question then. Should we go back (or should we have) and review everyone’s loan application from that time and sue for damages anybody that overstated their income? The banks got bailed out. I want to know if your position is the borrowers (including working class minorities trying to achieve the American dream of homeownership) have the lion share of blame for the subprime collapse and that they should be held accountable with civil damages.

I wouldn't mind making an example of a few of them.

The purposes of this civil suit against Trump and his companies are, first, to stop them from repeating fraudulent actions and, second, to force disgorgement of the ill gotten gains. Trump is famous enough to set an example, and the amounts at stake are large enough to make a victory by the State of New York profitable. It is unlikely that, when fraud could be proven against home loan borrowers who lied about their income, that the amount at stake would be large enough to make it worthwhile, and it is unlikely that the government would be able to accumulate this much evidence of pervasive repeated fraud against any individual home loan borrower. Finally, the New York law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Executive_Law_%C2%A7_63(12)) gives the New York Attorney General sweeping powers. Few states are likely to have similar laws.

I do not doubt that there are many people who have engaged in similar fraud who have escaped punishment, including many whose fraud was worse than Trump's. Claims of selective prosecution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_prosecution) almost always fail. You got caught, the court might explain to the defendant, and nobody else did. Too bad. That doesn't mean you should escape punishment. If the government is unfairly selecting certain people against whom to enforce the law, the remedy is to change how the government selects who will be punished, and the remedy is not to forgive those who actually committed crimes. Although selective prosecution is not really applicable to a civil case, Trump's case has the feel of a criminal case.

[Methais]

The purposes of this civil suit against Trump and his companies are to soothe their chronic leftist butthurt.

This is correct.

[Seran]

My mom worked for Fox & Jacobs at that time (builder).

Everyone else knows what I’m talking about. Google stated income stated assets (sisa) and it’s impact on subprime mortgages before the Great Recession.

'Everyone knows' is a cop-out that even you should be embarrassed about. The fact that sub-prime mortgages were issues means the income or worthiness of the borrowers were known in order to identify them as low tier investments. A lender extending a mortgage on a property they have appraised and have a lien on is different than an individual offering an unverified asset as collateral on a loan. The New York court filing lays it out if you've bothered to research the subject.

[Methais]

'Everyone knows' is a cop-out that even you should be embarrassed about. The fact that sub-prime mortgages were issues means the income or worthiness of the borrowers were known in order to identify them as low tier investments. A lender extending a mortgage on a property they have appraised and have a lien on is different than an individual offering an unverified asset as collateral on a loan. The New York court filing lays it out if you've bothered to research the subject.

He didn't say "everyone," he said "everyone else," which means he's already accounted for how dumb and clueless you are.

Reading comprehension is important.

[Suppressed Poet]

The purposes of this civil suit against Trump and his companies are, first, to stop them from repeating fraudulent actions and, second, to force disgorgement of the ill gotten gains.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif

The purpose is to do everything possible to keep Trump from campaigning for Presidency in 2024 and for this AG to make a name for herself in doing so. The irony is that strategy is backfiring and making him more popular as people who do not suffer from extreme cases of TDS can see this bullshit for exactly what it is.

[Suppressed Poet]

You’re right, it does fluctuate, but that fluctuation doesn’t have the sway on his gutted deed as it would on a property that isn’t restricted to hell.

I personally believe the statue of limitation is bullshit, but that’s besides the point. I don’t know the exact rules on the limitations, but from my understanding is this. The statue only runs while one is a resident of New York, by Trump moving to Florida, suspended that countdown, or whatever you want to call it. Whether you agree with it or not, that’s the law there.

Now regarding a campaign promise, I’m pretty sure Trump has said if he becomes president, he’s going after all the people that came after him, and you and others are ok with that, is that any different? She made a campaign promise to go after a prominent figure who she and many others believe committed fraud. The court has found him guilty. People say shit all the time on the campaign trails.. they lie all the time, she actually followed up with what she said she was going to do, I give her props for that, and hope people follow the precedent she set, by actually keeping their promises.

Now on the precedent you are actually talking about. :D I think it was not a good idea and I’m not ok with it, because of the optics it brings.

There is a lot to unpack here, but the campaigning part and chalking it up to everybody lies and says shit then… So George Santos shouldn’t be forcibly removed from office?

[Suppressed Poet]

I personally believe the statue of limitation is bullshit, but that’s besides the point. I don’t know the exact rules on the limitations, but from my understanding is this. The statue only runs while one is a resident of New York, by Trump moving to Florida, suspended that countdown, or whatever you want to call it. Whether you agree with it or not, that’s the law there.

Somewhat unrelated, but my employer (big ass bank) wanted me to sign some affirmation that I haven’t conducted any business in the State of New York subject to their tax for company compliance reasons a few years ago. I didn’t do it. I’ve never stepped foot in NY in my entire life (yes I know I’m an uncultured son of a bitch and really need to remedy that one day). I got a few harassing follow-up emails about it, and was expecting my boss to talk to me about it. Had that happened I would have complied because I’m addicted to food and shelter, but it didn’t and just went away. Did you have to do anything like that for your employer?

[Anebriated]

Somewhat unrelated, but my employer (big ass bank) wanted me to sign some affirmation that I haven’t conducted any business in the State of New York subject to their tax for company compliance reasons a few years ago. I didn’t do it. I’ve never stepped foot in NY in my entire life (yes I know I’m an uncultured son of a bitch and really need to remedy that one day). I got a few harassing follow-up emails about it, and was expecting my boss to talk to me about it. Had that happened I would have complied because I’m addicted to food and shelter, but it didn’t and just went away. Did you have to do anything like that for your employer?

I'm a little nervous. I'm taking a job for a company that relies on financing so they need to cooperate with the social justice crowd. The good news is I'm taking the position so I can spend more time with my kids so the fact that they are heavily into DEI shouldn't impact me to bad. If they force the jab im going back to my old company no questions.

[Suppressed Poet]

I'm a little nervous. I'm taking a job for a company that relies on financing so they need to cooperate with the social justice crowd. The good news is I'm taking the position so I can spend more time with my kids so the fact that they are heavily into DEI shouldn't impact me to bad. If they force the jab im going back to my old company no questions.

More time with the kids is a great reason to afford some tolerance with the BS of corporate America in my book. I didn’t raise my hand in Kindergarten to say I wanted to grow up to do what I do. Biggie said it best: Fuck bitches, get money.

Edit: My company got real close to forcing the jab and made it an absolute pain in the ass if you didn’t. Now they don’t care at all. I had to get it to see my dad and not repeating that whole story. My good friend that works there too didn’t and is jab free, but he had to see the nurse everyday & sign this affidavit everyday he wasn’t experiencing X symptoms & a bunch of other crazy BS. Glad that dark period is over at least for right now…

[Anebriated]

More time with the kids is a great reason to afford some tolerance with the BS of corporate America in my book. I didn’t raise my hand in Kindergarten to say I wanted to grow up to do what I do. Biggie said it best: Fuck bitches, get money.

Edit: My company got real close to forcing the jab and made it an absolute pain in the ass if you didn’t. Now they don’t care at all. I had to get it to see my dad and not repeating that whole story. My good friend that works there too didn’t and is jab free, but he had to see the nurse everyday & sign this affidavit everyday he wasn’t experiencing X symptoms & a bunch of other crazy BS. Glad that dark period is over at least for right now…

Both old and new job are 100% remote. Old job was a Canadian based company that required the jab north of the border but not south. At the time we only had about 50-60 US based employees(vs ~5k canadian) and were an afterthought. Moving over to my client from the old job, fortune top 10 company in the US. Heck of a lot less stress and I get my nights/weekends back. Ill deal with some BS and if I hadn't already made a name for myself working with the new company Id probably be held back by DEI.

[Suppressed Poet]

Both old and new job are 100% remote. Old job was a Canadian based company that required the jab north of the border but not south. At the time we only had about 50-60 US based employees(vs ~5k canadian) and were an afterthought. Moving over to my client from the old job, fortune top 10 company in the US. Heck of a lot less stress and I get my nights/weekends back. Ill deal with some BS and if I hadn't already made a name for myself working with the new company Id probably be held back by DEI.

We went from 100% in office, to 100% remote during the so called pandemic, and now 60% in office tracked in rolling 12 week periods, no exceptions. It’s been a wild ride. They also largely gave up on the DEI training because they realized it’s time wasted not making them money. Who woulda thunk it?

[Solkern]

There is a lot to unpack here, but the campaigning part and chalking it up to everybody lies and says shit then… So George Santos shouldn’t be forcibly removed from office?

I’m not sure I follow you, or I think you misunderstood me. I said every politician lies on the campaign trail, and it’s not good. I think it was a nice change that she actually kept her word, and I hope she sets a precedent for others to keep their word and the promises they make while campaigning.

[Solkern]

Somewhat unrelated, but my employer (big ass bank) wanted me to sign some affirmation that I haven’t conducted any business in the State of New York subject to their tax for company compliance reasons a few years ago. I didn’t do it. I’ve never stepped foot in NY in my entire life (yes I know I’m an uncultured son of a bitch and really need to remedy that one day). I got a few harassing follow-up emails about it, and was expecting my boss to talk to me about it. Had that happened I would have complied because I’m addicted to food and shelter, but it didn’t and just went away. Did you have to do anything like that for your employer?

Nope, I haven’t, but I also worked abroad in the “wild west” of banking and trading. Where for example inside trading is done in the open. But if I was in your situation, I probably would have done the same thing.

New York is shit hole, and I wouldn’t even bother to go, Boston on the other hand, definitely go if you haven’t!

[Solkern]

I'm a little nervous. I'm taking a job for a company that relies on financing so they need to cooperate with the social justice crowd. The good news is I'm taking the position so I can spend more time with my kids so the fact that they are heavily into DEI shouldn't impact me to bad. If they force the jab im going back to my old company no questions.

Oh god.. the social Justice crowd, is run away… as far as I could! While spending time with the kids is the biggest plus possible, having a shit place of work, really effects the quality of time spent with your kids.

[Suppressed Poet]

Nope, I haven’t, but I also worked abroad in the “wild west” of banking and trading. Where for example inside trading is done in the open. But if I was in your situation, I probably would have done the same thing.

New York is shit hole, and I wouldn’t even bother to go, Boston on the other hand, definitely go if you haven’t!

I’ve actually been to Boston. I saw the sights and had a great time.

[Solkern]

I’ve actually been to Boston. I saw the sights and had a great time.

Slightly unrelated. I have 3 bedroom apartment on Grenville ave, in Allston I rent out to Chinese foreign exchange students, for 5x the rent. Along with a full year deposit. If you rent property, find the Chinese foreign exchange students, they pay crazy good.

[Suppressed Poet]

I’m not sure I follow you, or I think you misunderstood me. I said every politician lies on the campaign trail, and it’s not good. I think it was a nice change that she actually kept her word, and I hope she sets a precedent for others to keep their word and the promises they make while campaigning.

Fair enough.

Her campaign promise was to go after her political opponent whom she called an illegitimate president. That’s not honorable and I award her no points for following through on that political witch hunt. We’re just not going to agree on that one.

[Solkern]

Fair enough.

Her campaign promise was to go after her political opponent whom she called an illegitimate president. That’s not honorable and I award her no points for following through on that political witch hunt. We’re just not going to agree on that one.

The following precedent, which I posted in my original post, was the answer to your question, I don’t agree with her campaign promise as it sets an extremely bad optic of it.

[Parkbandit]

I think it was a nice change that she actually kept her word, and I hope she sets a precedent for others to keep their word and the promises they make while campaigning.


The following precedent, which I posted in my original post, was the answer to your question, I don’t agree with her campaign promise as it sets an extremely bad optic of it.
https://y.yarn.co/6e89d3b5-9080-4263-b0bc-846145336f98_text.gif

[Methais]

I personally believe the statue of limitation is bullshit

It's not. It's right here:

https://i.imgur.com/x4J4vYd.png

[Suppressed Poet]

It's not. It's right here:

https://i.imgur.com/x4J4vYd.png

If the statue of limitations could talk it would say “YOU…SHALL..NOT…PASSSSS!!!”

[Solkern]

It's not. It's right here:

https://i.imgur.com/x4J4vYd.png

ROFL

[Solkern]

If the statue of limitations could talk it would say “YOU…SHALL..NOT…PASSSSS(unless you’re Trump)!!!”

Fixed it for you.

[Archigeek]

If the statue of limitations could talk it would say “YOU…SHALL..NOT…PASSSSS!!!”

I'm going to go assume that your auto correct is changing statute to statue, not that you actually believe that it's the "statue of limitations" sitting in some dusty hallway in some old government building.

[Suppressed Poet]

I'm going to go assume that your auto correct is changing statute to statue, not that you actually believe that it's the "statue of limitations" sitting in some dusty hallway in some old government building.

You are correct in your assumption.

If you go back you will see Methais made a funny jab of Solkern saying statue (probably for the same autocorrect reason, no big deal and it happens) and my post was a poor continuation of that joke.

That being said, every old government building really should have a statue of limitations.

[Solkern]

You are correct in your assumption.

If you go back you will see Methais made a funny jab of Solkern saying statue (probably for the same autocorrect reason, no big deal and it happens) and my post was a poor continuation of that joke.

That being said, every old government building really should have a statue of limitations.

Damn, I didn’t even notice that! Lol

[Methais]

More time with the kids is a great reason to afford some tolerance with the BS of corporate America in my book. I didn’t raise my hand in Kindergarten to say I wanted to grow up to do what I do. Biggie said it best: Fuck bitches, get money.

Edit: My company got real close to forcing the jab and made it an absolute pain in the ass if you didn’t. Now they don’t care at all. I had to get it to see my dad and not repeating that whole story. My good friend that works there too didn’t and is jab free, but he had to see the nurse everyday & sign this affidavit everyday he wasn’t experiencing X symptoms & a bunch of other crazy BS. Glad that dark period is over at least for right now…

You should tell the story again just so we can see if Seran comes back with the same illiterate scumbag response as he did last time.

[Methais]

I’m not sure I follow you, or I think you misunderstood me. I said every politician lies on the campaign trail, and it’s not good. I think it was a nice change that she actually kept her word, and I hope she sets a precedent for others to keep their word and the promises they make while campaigning.


The following precedent, which I posted in my original post, was the answer to your question, I don’t agree with her campaign promise as it sets an extremely bad optic of it.

https://media.tenor.com/4opamcAljRQAAAAd/laugh-smile.gif

[Methais]

If the statue of limitations could talk it would say “YOU…SHALL..NOT…PASSSSS!!!”

If the statue of limitations were Tourettes Guy, it would say "YOU...SHALL...NOT...PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!"

https://i.imgur.com/hOodjgt.png

[Solkern]

https://media.tenor.com/4opamcAljRQAAAAd/laugh-smile.gif

Not sure, why it’s difficult? I’m pleased she kept her word, even though I don’t agree with the perception of going after a political “opponent”.

It’s like a politician said he was gonna do all sorts of shit that you don’t agree with. He did them all, while it’s great that he told the truth, and did what he said he was going to do, you don’t agree with what he did.

[Parkbandit]

Not sure, why it’s difficult? I’m pleased she kept her word, even though I don’t agree with the perception of going after a political “opponent”.

It’s like a politician said he was gonna do all sorts of shit that you don’t agree with. He did them all, while it’s great that he told the truth, and did what he said he was going to do, you don’t agree with what he did.

https://y.yarn.co/6e89d3b5-9080-4263-b0bc-846145336f98_text.gif

[Suppressed Poet]

Not sure, why it’s difficult? I’m pleased she kept her word, even though I don’t agree with the perception of going after a political “opponent”.

It’s like a politician said he was gonna do all sorts of shit that you don’t agree with. He did them all, while it’s great that he told the truth, and did what he said he was going to do, you don’t agree with what he did.

So you think it’s just a mere perception of selective prosecution of Trump for political reasons but not reality?

If so, well at least you can understand that many people perceive it that way which is more than I can say about some other Democrat Party supporters.

[Anebriated]

If someone says they are going to break into your house and hurt you, and then they do it, are you happy that they kept their word even though the act is illegal?

[Parkbandit]

If someone says they are going to break into your house and hurt you, and then they do it, are you happy that they kept their word even though the act is illegal?

It depends.. which one made his "friends" in other countries hate the US more so now they won't move here because their feelings are important?

[Methais]

Not sure, why it’s difficult? I’m pleased she kept her word, even though I don’t agree with the perception of going after a political “opponent”.

It’s like a politician said he was gonna do all sorts of shit that you don’t agree with. He did them all, while it’s great that he told the truth, and did what he said he was going to do, you don’t agree with what he did.

"If I'm elected, I will initiate Order 66 on all minorities!"

<GETS ELECTED>
<WIPES OUT ALL MINORITIES>


You: It sure is great to see people keeping their campaign promises!

[ClydeR]

If the New York AG was aware that a criminal group in New York was defrauding the government and private New York companies out of millions of dollars and she did nothing, because the perpetrator was a big shot, then she would be doubly deserving of condemnation for failing to do her job. An independent court has already determined that she was correct that fraud was committed. Surely it was something her duties required of her.

Politicians running for office very often promise to target named criminal groups. It's nothing new. As a candidate in 2015 and 2016, Trump named the MS-13 group as an organization he intended to prosecute regarding drug smuggling. He also promised to prosecute Hillary Clinton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5cnrp5UNnA), who was his political opponent at the time, regarding her mishandling of classified information.

[Anebriated]

The NY AG releasing meme's based around trump property valuations is a hilarious tactic. It's incredibly unethical for a member of the bar to do. She knows there is no case and it will be immediately overturned on appeal so the entire goal is to "leak" the narrative they want to send before that happens to sway public opinion during the elections.

[~Rocktar~]

The NY AG releasing meme's based around trump property valuations is a hilarious tactic. It's incredibly unethical for a member of the bar to do. She knows there is no case and it will be immediately overturned on appeal so the entire goal is to "leak" the narrative they want to send before that happens to sway public opinion during the elections.

Election interfearance.

[Arqueto]

Election interfearance.

For the love of god, please stop. I used to think it was a "clever" play on words, but come on. INTERFERENCE. You use it way too often to keep getting it wrong.

[Parkbandit]

Election interfearance.

We get it.

It wasn't funny the first time you posted it.

It's not funny the 343rd time either.

Let it go.

[ClydeR]

Remember the Manhattan criminal trial (https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/2023-04-04-SOF.pdf) of Trump scheduled for this spring relating to falsified financial statements to hide hush money payments to porn star Stormy Daniels? Well, Trump just posted on his social media network that he doesn't even know Stormy Daniels. Why would he make such a ridiculous claim when he knows his statement will surely be brought up at the trial and used to show his untrustworthiness?


China owned (China Investment Corp, the Country’s Sovereign wealth Fund!), and very badly failing, Forbes “Magazine,” which lost most of its relevance long ago, and which [HIGHLIGHT]knows less about me than Stormy Daniels (who doesn’t know me at all!)[HIGHLIGHT] or Rosie O’Donnell, took me off their Fake Forbes 400 list, just by a “whisker,” even though they know that I should be high up on that now very dated and discredited “antique.” They are working with the Racist and highly incompetent, job killing Attorney General of New York, Letitia “Peekaboo” James, who has allowed Murder and Violent Crime in the State to hit epidemic levels. China owned Forbes is a participant in the Election Interference Scam, and after what I have done to China, with hundreds of billions of dollars being paid to the USA, who can blame them? For years Forbes has attacked me with really dumb writers assigned to hit me hard, and I am now up 60 Points on the Republicans, and beating Crooked Joe by a lot. So much for Forbes!

[Suppressed Poet]

Remember the Manhattan criminal trial (https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/2023-04-04-SOF.pdf) of Trump scheduled for this spring relating to falsified financial statements to hide hush money payments to porn star Stormy Daniels? Well, Trump just posted on his social media network that he doesn't even know Stormy Daniels. Why would he make such a ridiculous claim when he knows his statement will surely be brought up at the trial and used to show his untrustworthiness?

Because she is a hoe.

[Methais]

Remember the Manhattan criminal trial (https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/2023-04-04-SOF.pdf) of Trump scheduled for this spring relating to falsified financial statements to hide hush money payments to porn star Stormy Daniels? Well, Trump just posted on his social media network that he doesn't even know Stormy Daniels. Why would he make such a ridiculous claim when he knows his statement will surely be brought up at the trial and used to show his untrustworthiness?

He didn't say he doesn't know her. He said she doesn't know him.

Don't take my word for it, take your own post's word for it:


and which [HIGHLIGHT]knows less about me than Stormy Daniels (who doesn’t know me at all!)[HIGHLIGHT] or Rosie O’Donnell...

Words and their meanings, and comprehending them, are important.

[ClydeR]

In the same post where he denied knowing Stormy Daniels, Trump also brought up -- for reasons that are unclear -- his archnemesis Rosie O'Donnell, whom he has never forgiven for embarrassing him on teevee 16 years ago. This is what started it all..




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64YhFQ99a-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64YhFQ99a-c

[Suppressed Poet]

In the same post where he denied knowing Stormy Daniels, Trump also brought up -- for reasons that are unclear -- his archnemesis Rosie O'Donnell, whom he has never forgiven for embarrassing him on teevee 16 years ago. This is what started it all..




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64YhFQ99a-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64YhFQ99a-c

That fat ass bitch is culturally irrelevant today.

[Methais]

In the same post where he denied knowing Stormy Daniels...



knows less about me than Stormy Daniels (who doesn’t know me at all!)[HIGHLIGHT] or Rosie O’Donnell, took me off their Fake Forbes 400 list


Look how mentally handicapped you are.

[ClydeR]

That fat ass bitch is culturally irrelevant today.

She's not fat anymore. So relevant again?

[Parkbandit]

She's not fat anymore. So relevant again?

175 lbs for a 5'7" woman is not thin.

[Methais]

175 lbs for a 5'7" woman is not thin.

In before "She's not fat she's curvy"

[Parkbandit]

In before "She's not fat she's curvy"

She's gross and a pig.

Once again, Trump was right.

[Suppressed Poet]

She's not fat anymore. So relevant again?

Nope.

[~Rocktar~]

175 lbs for a 5'7" woman is not thin.

Medically overweight. BMI 27.5

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/risk-prevention/diet-physical-activity/body-weight-and-cancer-risk/adult-bmi.html

[ClydeR]

Trump is continuing his condemnation of Forbes for not putting him on its list of the 400 richest Americans. He claims it's a plot by the Chinese government. Seems like there might be other things that a presidential candidate should be focused on right now.


I hereby demand a full apology from the failing Forbes Magazine, and their third rate psycho writer, Dan Alexander, for the many false and libelous articles they have written about me, and for the cooperation they have given to the Racist and Incompetent A.G. of New York State, Peekaboo James. You see, Forbes is owned by the Communist Chinese Government, and China will do anything to stop MAGA. Forbes, a Globalist “Rag,” is a propaganda play against TRUMP. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

The last time he attacked Forbes for this slight, which was a whole two days ago, he suggested that Rosie O'Donnell was somehow involved in the plot against him.

[Solkern]

Trump is continuing his condemnation of Forbes for not putting him on its list of the 400 richest Americans. He claims it's a plot by the Chinese government. Seems like there might be other things that a presidential candidate should be focused on right now.



The last time he attacked Forbes for this slight, which was a whole two days ago, he suggested that Rosie O'Donnell was somehow involved in the plot against him.

He also claimed Forbes was involved in the election interference…

[ClydeR]

Regarding the civil fraud trial currently underway in NY..


Trump Jr. said he signed off on statements as a trustee, but had left the work to outside accountants and the company’s then-finance chief, Allen Weisselberg.

More... (https://fortune.com/2023/11/02/donald-trump-jr-testifies-fraud-trial-never-worked-father-financial-statements-evp/)


Trump Jr. appears to be saying his conduct was not fraud, just negligence. For his sake, I hope Trump Jr. gets along well with all of his siblings and his stepmother, because he just admitted to not doing his duty as a trustee. If the Trump organization loses this case and is fined a lot of money, his siblings may point an accusatory finger at him. They may sue him. If he had done his duty, they may claim, the companies would not have been fined, and he should be responsible for the loss.

[Parkbandit]

Regarding the civil fraud trial currently underway in NY..

Trump Jr. appears to be saying his conduct was not fraud, just negligence. For his sake, I hope Trump Jr. gets along well with all of his siblings and his stepmother, because he just admitted to not doing his duty as a trustee. If the Trump organization loses this case and is fined a lot of money, his siblings may point an accusatory finger at him. They may sue him. If he had done his duty, they may claim, the companies would not have been fined, and he should be responsible for the loss.

Fun fact: Trump Jr. does not have a degree in Accounting. He has a degree in Economics.

SPOILER: Economics is not Accounting.

[ClydeR]

Fun fact: Trump Jr. does not have a degree in Accounting. He has a degree in Economics.

SPOILER: Economics is not Accounting.


That's an excellent point. As an economist, Trump Jr. is more qualified than an accountant to know the value of properties.

[~Rocktar~]

That's an excellent point. As an economist, Trump Jr. is more qualified than an accountant to know the value of properties.

No, but thanks for playing.

[Parkbandit]

That's an excellent point. As an economist, Trump Jr. is more qualified than an accountant to know the value of properties.

Again, you are wrong and just retarded.

To become a property appraiser in the State of Florida, a person must:

1) Have a 4 year degree
2) Applicants must be Trainee Appraisers that have completed at least 2500 hours of experience over not less than 24 calendar months.
3) 200 hours of prescribed pre-certification appraisal education is required.

[ClydeR]

After the testimony so far in the trial, is there anybody in this forum who still believes it is at all possible that the Trump Organization did not intentionally misstate its financial statements to secure favorable financing and insurance terms? After the State rests its case, probably on Wednesday, what evidence could Trump possibly produce that would make you think the misstatements were innocent mistakes?

[Parkbandit]

After the testimony so far in the trial, is there anybody in this forum who still believes it is at all possible that the Trump Organization did not intentionally misstate its financial statements to secure favorable financing and insurance terms?

They do what every.single.company.on.the.planet.does.

Still waiting for the victim of this heinous crime... I bet they didn't even pay back the loans!


After the State rests its case, probably on Wednesday, what evidence could Trump possibly produce that would make you think the misstatements were innocent mistakes?

I would start by making fun of the retarded Judge who's "expert opinion" put the value of Mar-A-Lago at 18 million.

[Suppressed Poet]

After the testimony so far in the trial, is there anybody in this forum who still believes it is at all possible that the Trump Organization did not intentionally misstate its financial statements to secure favorable financing and insurance terms? After the State rests its case, probably on Wednesday, what evidence could Trump possibly produce that would make you think the misstatements were innocent mistakes?

Imagine if the media covered the Jeffrey Epstein & Ghislaine Maxwell trials as closely as they did this nonsense clown show.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Once the biased judge makes his biased decision, and it goes to through appeals and gets all thrown out, what will Seracist and ClydeRocrat do?

Did I do the color coding correctly Clyde?

[Anebriated]

There is nothing that happens in this trial that matters because it will be immediately appealed and taken to a different court.

[Methais]

Once the biased judge makes his biased decision, and it goes to through appeals and gets all thrown out, what will Seracist and ClydeRocrat do?

Did I do the color coding correctly Clyde?

It'll somehow be Clarence Thomas's fault.

[Anebriated]

It'll somehow be Clarence Thomas's fault.

I dont think he meant that kind of color coding

[Seran]

After the testimony so far in the trial, is there anybody in this forum who still believes it is at all possible that the Trump Organization did not intentionally misstate its financial statements to secure favorable financing and insurance terms? After the State rests its case, probably on Wednesday, what evidence could Trump possibly produce that would make you think the misstatements were innocent mistakes?

I think you're underestimating the amount of far right copium being huffed. Some of those idiots actually believe the Trump lie that fraudulent information they submit to banks is somehow a business standard, still a felony, but acceptable.

[Suppressed Poet]

I think you're underestimating the amount of far right copium being huffed. Some of those idiots actually believe the Trump lie that fraudulent information they submit to banks is somehow a business standard, still a felony, but acceptable.

It’s a civil trial Seran. Not felonious.

[Methais]

It’s a civil trial Seran. Not felonious.

Do you honestly think he understands the difference?

[ClydeR]

Still waiting for the victim of this heinous crime... I bet they didn't even pay back the loans!


From 2015..


Mr. Trump issued a statement Wednesday saying that his net worth was now in excess of $10 billion, more than the $8.7 billion he said he was worth when he announced his presidential candidacy a month ago.

The statement noted that Mr. Trump had filed his financial disclosure report with the Federal Election Commission, a requirement of presidential candidates, and the commission confirmed his filing. The Trump statement was full of the bombast often associated with Mr. Trump, including an all-capitalization declaration of his wealth:


“Mr. Trump’s net worth has increased since the more than one year old financial statement produced at his presidential announcement. Real estate values in New York City, San Francisco, Miami and many other places where he owns property have gone up considerably during this period of time. His debt is a very small percentage of value, and at very low interest rates. As of this date, Mr. Trump"s net worth is in excess of TEN BILLION DOLLARS.”

More... (https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/07/15/donald-trump-says-hes-worth-more-than-10-billion)

[Parkbandit]

From 2015..

So, even though the bank was repaid with interest... they are the victim because they would have made MORE interest.

I feel so badly for the banks.

Really.

[Suppressed Poet]

As an employee of a big evil bank, it’s comforting to know Democrats have our backs in maximizing profit margins. :rofl:

[Seran]

It’s a civil trial Seran. Not felonious.

By that logic, I presume you also were incensed that OJ Simpson had to pay out millions for killing his wife.

[Suppressed Poet]

By that logic, I presume you also were incensed that OJ Simpson had to pay out millions for killing his wife.

No. I just understand the difference between a civil judgement vs a criminal conviction. Words and their meanings matter.

[Parkbandit]

By that logic, I presume you also were incensed that OJ Simpson had to pay out millions for killing his wife.

You don't know what logic means.. do you?

Because that makes zero sense.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/50/5f/db/505fdb9f2873f5fde2fabdfafc757f17.gif

[ClydeR]

So, even though the bank was repaid with interest... they are the victim because they would have made MORE interest.

Right. That is probably how the court will compute the amount that Trump must disgorge. Crime doesn't pay.



I feel so badly for the banks.

I am astounded by your reasoning that it is okay to cheat unpopular institutions.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I can't wait for the feels I'm going to get when T4F and Seran go off the charts nuts when Trump wins on appeal.

[Parkbandit]

Right. That is probably how the court will compute the amount that Trump must disgorge. Crime doesn't pay.

I am astounded by your reasoning that it is okay to cheat unpopular institutions.

It probably doesn't take much to "astound" you at all...

But it's the bank's responsibility to do their due diligence on whatever claims their customer make. They didn't do this at the time of the loans.. and the loans were paid back in full with interest.

But your claim that the bank is the victim here is hilarious.

Thanks for the laugh at your expense... but I'm sure you are used to it.

[Parkbandit]

I can't wait for the feels I'm going to get when T4F and Seran go off the charts nuts when Trump wins on appeal.

They will just blame Russia or an armed insurrection or Musk or the dirty Jews that control everything....

[Anebriated]

You don't know what logic means.. do you?

Because that makes zero sense.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/50/5f/db/505fdb9f2873f5fde2fabdfafc757f17.gif



we need to come up with an actual scale. this doesnt seem all that crazy for what comes out of his mouth. id say more like a 5 or 6.

[Anebriated]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/07/pennsylvania-election-voting-machines-votes-flipping/92c26dea-7dad-11ee-b5cc-66c30a3bbb91_story.html

https://i.imgur.com/6zFUZc5.jpg

Interesting. Seems similar to something trump is under fire for suggesting…

[Methais]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/07/pennsylvania-election-voting-machines-votes-flipping/92c26dea-7dad-11ee-b5cc-66c30a3bbb91_story.html

https://i.imgur.com/6zFUZc5.jpg

Interesting. Seems similar to something trump is under fire for suggesting…

NO THAT'S DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anebriated]

hearing now that several districts in PA have had to shut down due to vote flipping in the machines today.

[Suppressed Poet]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/07/pennsylvania-election-voting-machines-votes-flipping/92c26dea-7dad-11ee-b5cc-66c30a3bbb91_story.html

https://i.imgur.com/6zFUZc5.jpg

Interesting. Seems similar to something trump is under fire for suggesting…

California be like: We just made it illegal to hand count ballots. Trust the voting machines.

[Suppressed Poet]

hearing now that several districts in PA have had to shut down due to vote flipping in the machines today.

I’m hearing they are passing out these stickers in Philadelphia today:

https://twitter.com/215alexb/status/1722000471697555497?s=42&t=l6G-S1S4ix_cMZScYufUYw

[Shaps]

This is what happened... has been happening... and will continue to happen... because they know they can.

Sad to watch it occur... sad to watch people be so ignorant... and sad to know that it will only be to all of our demise.

[Anebriated]

I’m hearing they are passing out these stickers in Philadelphia today:

https://twitter.com/215alexb/status/1722000471697555497?s=42&t=l6G-S1S4ix_cMZScYufUYw

They pass those out the other 364 days of the year. Today they pass the ones that say "I Voted"

[Seran]

we need to come up with an actual scale. this doesnt seem all that crazy for what comes out of his mouth. id say more like a 5 or 6.

For what Trump incorrectly claimed without any evidence and used for felony crimes committed in several states? The fact that a county discovered and reported a voting machine error in 2023 has no bearing on crimes committed in 2020/2021.

[Anebriated]

For what Trump incorrectly claimed without any evidence and used for felony crimes committed in several states? The fact that a county discovered and reported a voting machine error in 2023 has no bearing on crimes committed in 2020/2021.

Let me introduce you to my friend "reasonable doubt".

[Suppressed Poet]

For what Trump incorrectly claimed without any evidence and used for felony crimes committed in several states? The fact that a county discovered and reported a voting machine error in 2023 has no bearing on crimes committed in 2020/2021.

Add allegedly to your vocabulary. In this country, when a person is charged with a crime they are presumed to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

[Seran]

Let me introduce you to my friend "reasonable doubt".

I'm waiting for that moment when Trump's defense team actually tries to make the argument that Trump did what he did after consulting a tarot deck showed him that in 2023, a small voting company no one has heard of used by a podunk county in Pennsylvania would have mechanical issues. That would be the shit.

[Anebriated]

I'm waiting for that moment when Trump's defense team actually tries to make the argument that Trump did what he did after consulting a tarot deck showed him that in 2023, a small voting company no one has heard of used by a podunk county in Pennsylvania would have mechanical issues. That would be the shit.

You can pretend to be cocky but he and many others have been pointing to exactly these issues for years. The fact that courts in blue states are overturning elections because of the very same arguments he has made previously is a huge deal whether you want to believe it or not.

[Seran]

You can pretend to be cocky but he and many others have been pointing to exactly these issues for years. The fact that courts in blue states are overturning elections because of the very same arguments he has made previously is a huge deal whether you want to believe it or not.

"Overturning elections" lol. The fact that the ballots were found in error by the county, reported, and fixed through established legal procedures is your clue that nothing is being overturned. If everything the fact that the evidence supposedly the motivator that Trump has failed to produce is vindication for his racketeering felonies is pretty damning to all but the clueless.

[Suppressed Poet]

They pass those out the other 364 days of the year. Today they pass the ones that say "I Voted"

Mine said Dallas County I voted. All we had was 15 proposition questions with one being should the state temporarily cap property taxes? Feels like I answer that one yes every year but nothing ever happens.

[Parkbandit]

NO THAT'S DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The fact that a county discovered and reported a voting machine error in 2023 has no bearing on crimes committed in 2020/2021.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/FLUM2u4K4jrax7WVkH/giphy.gif

[ClydeR]

.. and the loans were paid back in full with interest.

But your claim that the bank is the victim here is hilarious.


It's like trunk driving. As long as nobody got hurt, what's the big deal? No wreck = no victim.

[Parkbandit]

It's like trunk driving. As long as nobody got hurt, what's the big deal? No wreck = no victim.

"BUT HE MADE MEAN TWEETS!" would be a far more impactful reason than "He applied for a loan to banks and told the banks to trust his paperwork and they don't need to do any of their due diligence, just approve the loan" and then you proclaiming the poor, poor banks are the victims.

At least if you talked about his mean tweets, we could empathize with sensitive little fellas like yourself and maybe get you the mental help you so desperately require.

[Suppressed Poet]

It's like trunk driving. As long as nobody got hurt, what's the big deal? No wreck = no victim.

I’m unaware of any laws saying that you can’t drive your car from the trunk. You might need to put in a seatbelt though.

It’s actually not like that at all though, this being a civil case & nobody being in jeopardy of serious bodily harm. A better analogy would be the state of NY suing someone who was telling a story about the size fish they caught for being a little smaller than what the person described.

[~Rocktar~]

I’m unaware of any laws saying that you can’t drive your car from the trunk. You might need to put in a seatbelt though.

It’s actually not like that at all though, this being a civil case & nobody being in jeopardy of serious bodily harm. A better analogy would be the state of NY suing someone who was telling a story about the size fish they caught for being a little smaller than what the person described.

More correctly, it's a corrupt DA suing Trump in an attempt to prevent him running again, which, spoiler alert, they can't, period.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'd rather Trump be President from jail than suffer through Biden/Harris another 4 years. Can our economy and foreign policy bear it? 70ish percent of America thinks not.

[Neveragain]

No wreck = no victim.

That's called freedom. Only the insurance company cares if you're trunk driving.

Oddly, if you fuck and make another human, you can kill that human and there's still no victim...

Poor banks.

[Parkbandit]

Wait.. is trunk driving a thing? Is that when you are basically laying down driving?

I thought he meant truck driving.. and much like most of his comparisons.. made no sense.

[~Rocktar~]

Wait.. is trunk driving a thing? Is that when you are basically laying down driving?

I thought he meant truck driving.. and much like most of his comparisons.. made no sense.

There was that scene in the a Bond movie where he drove from the trunk using his cell phone as a remote.

[Methais]

You can pretend to be cocky but he and many others have been pointing to exactly these issues for years. The fact that courts in blue states are overturning elections because of the very same arguments he has made previously is a huge deal whether you want to believe it or not.

I can't help but notice that Seran's arrogance and general anger has been increasing at rate roughly equal to the rate that Biden's numbers have been tanking.

Cope and seethe some more, welfare queen.

[Methais]

Wait.. is trunk driving a thing? Is that when you are basically laying down driving?

https://youtu.be/YRJv0qU62YE?si=O61eFs7JRMmylLs2&t=79

1:12

https://youtu.be/YRJv0qU62YE?si=O61eFs7JRMmylLs2


Close enough.



I like how after all this time, Seran still doesn't think to even try proofreading anything he posts despite the fact that 90% of what he does post is the stuff strokes are made of.

[drumpel]

https://youtu.be/YRJv0qU62YE?si=O61eFs7JRMmylLs2&t=79

1:12

https://youtu.be/YRJv0qU62YE?si=O61eFs7JRMmylLs2


Close enough.



I like how after all this time, Seran still doesn't think to even try proofreading anything he posts despite the fact that 90% of what he does post is the stuff strokes are made of.

Your buddy ClydeR wrote "trunk driving"....

Oh, I get it. You're saying that ClydeR and Seran are one in the same. Never mind, nothing to see here.

[Methais]

Your buddy ClydeR wrote "trunk driving"....

Oh, I get it. You're saying that ClydeR and Seran are one in the same. Never mind, nothing to see here.

No. Hightower was too tall for that car, so he ripped out the front seats and was basically sitting in the trunk so he'd have the leg room needed, hence trunk driving.

I hate you for making me explain this. Reported to Andraste.

[ClydeR]

Trump wanted to make his own closing arguments in his New York civil fraud trial. The judge said it would be okay if Trump limited himself to relevant matters. Trump did not agree with the judge's terms, resulting in the highlighted email below. Do you think Trump's attorney actually writes in that manner, or did somebody else write the email for him?

It's still possible that they will work something out and Trump will deliver his own closing argument tomorrow, which would be hilarious. Too bad it won't be on camera.


It’s extremely unusual for people who have lawyers to give their own closing arguments. In an email exchange that happened over recent days and was filed in court Wednesday, Engoron initially approved the unusual request, saying he was “including to let everyone have his or her say.”

But he said Trump would have to limit his remarks to the boundaries that cover attorneys’ closing arguments: “commentary on the relevant, material facts that are in evidence, and application of the relevant law to those facts.”

He would not be allowed to introduce new evidence, “comment on irrelevant matters” or “deliver a campaign speech” — or impugn the judge, his staff, the attorney general, her lawyers or the court system, the judge wrote.

Trump attorney Christopher Kise responded that those limitations were “fraught with ambiguities, creating the substantial likelihood for misinterpretation or an unintended violation. Engoron said that they were ”reasonable, normal limits,” but Kise termed them “very unfair.”

“You are not allowing President Trump, who has been wrongfully demeaned and belittled by an out of control, politically motivated attorney general, to speak about the things that must be spoken about,” the attorney wrote.

After not hearing from Trump’s lawyers by a noon Wednesday deadline, Engoron wrote that he assumed Trump was not agreeing to the ground rules and therefore would not be speaking.

More... (https://www.wdsu.com/article/trump-closing-argument-civil-fraud-trial/46339009)

[Seran]

So Dump is throwing a fit as he can give an irrelevant political martyr speech in a civil suit. What a loser.

[Methais]

What a loser.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcp26kgLCr1qe6uhf.jpg

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

So Dump is throwing a fit as he can give an irrelevant political martyr speech in a civil suit. What a loser.

You are the dumbest person to ever post on these boards.

[~Rocktar~]

In short, the DA prosecuting Trump in Georgia is fucking the special prosecutor and they spent a lot of the money for the prosecution to take trips, pay for lodging and so on for their affair.



Georgia DA Fani Willis had affair with prosecutor on Trump case: lawsuit
By Social Links forVictor Nava
Published Jan. 8, 2024, 9:47 p.m. ET

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis had an “improper” and “clandestine” relationship with the married special prosecutor who assisted in securing the Georgia grand jury indictment against former President Donald Trump, a co-defendant in the election interference case alleged Monday.

The bombshell court filing made by former Trump 2020 campaign official Michael Roman argues that Willis should be disqualified from the case and the charges against him dropped because “the district attorney chose to appoint her romantic partner, who at all times relevant to this prosecution has been a married man,” to the case.

Roman contends that Nathan Wade, a private attorney with the Atlanta-based Wade & Campbell Firm, used some of the nearly $654,000 in legal fees that he’s been paid by the Fulton County DA’s Office for his work on the Trump case to take Willis on lavish vacations to “Napa Valley, California, Florida and the Caribbean.”

“Mr. Roman … moves the Court for an order disqualifying the district attorney, her office, and the special prosecutor from further prosecuting the instant matter on the grounds that the district attorney and the special prosecutor have been engaged in an improper, clandestine personal relationship during the pendency of this case, which has resulted in the special prosecutor, and, in turn, the district attorney, profiting significantly from this prosecution at the expense of the taxpayers,” the 127-page filing states.

“Accordingly, the district attorney and the special prosecutor have violated laws regulating the use of public monies, suffer from irreparable conflicts of interest, and have violated their oaths of office under the Georgia Rules of Professional Conduct and should be disqualified from prosecuting this matter,” it continues.

Roman’s filing claims that “sources close to both the special prosecutor and the district attorney” have confirmed that Willis and Wade had an ongoing fling, and that Wade filed for divorce in Cobb County, Ga., “a day after his first contract with Willis commenced” in November 2021.

“In addition, the district attorney and the special prosecutor have been seen in private together (in a personal relationship capacity) in and about the Atlanta area and believed to have co-habited in some form or fashion at a location that neither of them owned,” the filing alleges.

The motion argues that Willis’ failure to disclose her alleged relationship with Wade while paying him for his work on the Trump case with funds that he allegedly used to vacation with the DA could amount to honest services fraud as well as “a predicate act which could result in a RICO charge against both the district attorney and the special prosecutor.”

Trump, 77, and Roman were both hit with racketeering charges in Willis’ case against them and 17 other co-defendants under Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act.

Roman served as the Trump re-election campaign’s director of Election Day operations in 2020.

Roman was charged with seven felony counts last August by the Georgia grand jury convened by Willis.
Fulton County

In the wake of the former president’s 2020 loss, Roman allegedly joined an effort to put forward slates of pro-Trump “fake electors” to reject President-elect Joe Biden’s victories in key swing states such as Arizona, Georgia, Michigan and Nevada.

He was charged with seven felony counts last August by the Georgia grand jury convened by Willis.

Wade and the Fulton County DA’s Office did not immediately respond to The Post’s requests for comment.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/08/news/trump-co-defendant-alleges-improper-relationship-between-georgia-da-and-prosecutor-demands-indictment-be-thrown-out/

[Seran]

The sooner the Republican party realize Trump is just an OG Karen, the sooner they can go back to fucking up everyone's lives.

[Parkbandit]

The sooner the Republican party realize Trump is just an OG Karen, the sooner they can go back to fucking up everyone's lives.
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You are the dumbest person to ever post on these boards.

[Suppressed Poet]

The sooner the Republican party realize Trump is just an OG Karen, the sooner they can go back to fucking up everyone's lives.

Please lecture us how if Trump gets elected, you will punish us by never posting on the PC ever again.

[Seran]

Please lecture us how if Trump gets elected, you will punish us by never posting on the PC ever again.

You're asking this, so presumably you'll be doing a hard logout when Trump fails to re-elected and goes to jail? I just ask because you some obsessively immune to logic, law, basic reason, when it comes to your cheeto of choice. Presumably this is a all or nothing election year for you given your zealotry.

[Arqueto]

You're asking this, so presumably you'll be doing a hard logout when Trump fails to re-elected and goes to jail? I just ask because you some obsessively immune to logic, law, basic reason, when it comes to your cheeto of choice. Presumably this is a all or nothing election year for you given your zealotry.

English is hard.

[Suppressed Poet]

You're asking this, so presumably you'll be doing a hard logout when Trump fails to re-elected and goes to jail? I just ask because you some obsessively immune to logic, law, basic reason, when it comes to your cheeto of choice. Presumably this is a all or nothing election year for you given your zealotry.

“hOuR dEmOcRaCy Iz’S’ oN dA bOwLeT!!!” -Seran 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, & now 2024

[Seran]

I guess that is a no.

[Neveragain]

You're asking this, so presumably you'll be doing a hard logout when Trump fails to re-elected and goes to jail? I just ask because you some obsessively immune to logic, law, basic reason, when it comes to your cheeto of choice. Presumably this is a all or nothing election year for you given your zealotry.

https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1403707336i/10133030._SY540_.jpg

[Methais]

You are the dumbest person to ever post on these boards.

And he's conquered some fucking titans to achieve that status.

Let's not forget that people like Klaive used to post here too.

[Parkbandit]

And he's conquered some fucking titans to achieve that status.

Let's not forget that people like Klaive used to post here too.

Klaive, Backlash, Ashliana, time4fun, cwolff.... like these are what we once considered GOATS.

Seran has outretarded them all.

[Methais]

Klaive, Backlash, Ashliana, time4fun, cwolff.... like these are what we once considered GOATS.

Seran has outretarded them all.

I forgot about cwolff :rofl:

Cwolff was like a 200 IQ gigachad when compared to Seran,

[Parkbandit]

I forgot about cwolff :rofl:

Cwolff was like a 200 IQ gigachad when compared to Seran,

cwolff was probably the most effeminate of them all... so that tells you something right there.. and was a good title holder when our champion Backlash quit and then came back.

[Suppressed Poet]

Seran’s grammar is even more terrible than Hunter Biden’s art.

[Methais]

Seran’s grammar is even more terrible than Hunter Biden’s art.

Some dude I know from forever ago I guess decided that he's an artist recently and is always posting his art on Facebook.

Here's a sample of said "art" :lol:

https://i.imgur.com/FK9SR9B.jpg

[Suppressed Poet]

Some dude I know from forever ago I guess decided that he's an artist recently and is always posting his art on Facebook.

Here's a sample of said "art" :lol:

https://i.imgur.com/FK9SR9B.jpg

How did he train his dog to wipe its ass across the canvass like that? That’s some real talent right there.

[ClydeR]

It's still possible that they will work something out and Trump will deliver his own closing argument tomorrow, which would be hilarious. Too bad it won't be on camera.


Trump got his chance to speak during the closing arguments today. The only factual issue he addressed was the size of his apartment in Trump Tower. It was certainly not the biggest fraud alleged in the case. It's not clear why Trump addressed it and avoided the other, bigger issues.


He said the tripling of the square footage of his Trump Tower penthouse on his statement of financial condition was a mistake -- "an honest mistake" that was corrected.

Trump declared, "This is a fraud on me. What's happened here sir is a fraud on me."

More... (https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/trump-outside-court-says-its-been-a-pretty-successful-trial-106300060?id=103642561)


This is what the court wrote about the apartment in the summary judgment order in September..


This Court takes judicial notice that the Trump Tower apartment in which Donald Trump resided for decades (the "Triplex") is 10,996 square feet. NYSCEF Doc. No. 816 at 2. Between 2012-2016, Donald Trump submitted SFCs falsely claiming that the Triplex was 30,000 square feet, resulting in an overvaluation of between $114-207 million dollars. NYSCEF Doc. Nos. 782 at Rows 833-834, 1028, 783 at Rows 799-800, 1199, 784 at Rows 843-844, 785 at Rows 882-883, 789 at Row 913, 817. The misrepresentation continued even after defendants received written notification from Forbes that Donald Trump had been overestimating the square footage of the Triplex by a factor of three.

In opposition, defendants absurdly suggest that "the calculation of square footage is a subjective process that could lead to differing results or opinions based on the method employed to conduct the calculation. NYSCEF Doc. No. 1293 at 20. Well yes, perhaps, if the area is rounded or oddly shaped, it is possible measurements of square footage could come to slightly differing results due to user error. Good-faith measurements could vary by as much as 10-20%, not 200%.

A discrepancy of this order of magnitude, by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades, can only be considered fraud. 13

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11 Three days after receiving a written inquiry from Forbes, Trump Organization Vice President, Amanda Miller, sent an email to Trump Organization Executive Vice President and Chief Legal Officer, Alan Garten, indicating that she "spoke to Allen W[eisselberg] re: [Trump World Tower and Trump Tower] — we are going to leave those alone." NYSCEF Doc. No. 821. Although OAG need not show intent to deceive under a standalone § 63(12) cause of action, this directive to continue to use a grossly inflated number despite clear knowledge it is false demonstrates the repetitive and ongoing nature of defendants' propensity to engage in fraud.

12 Despite this assertion in their motion papers, counsel for defendants, Christopher Kise, Esq, concededduring oral argument held on September 22, 2023, that square footage is, in fact, an objective number.

13 In fact, OAG demonstrates that as of 2012, no apartment sold in New York City had ever approached the price at which defendants valued the Triplex, noting that the highest overall sale at that time was $88 million for a Central Park West penthouse. The SFCs valued the Triplex at a staggering $180,000,000-$327,000,000 for the years 2012-2016. NYSCEF Doc. No. 1 at 11276.


You can read how Forbes uncovered the fraud here.. https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2022/09/21/how-forbes-exposed-trumps-lies-about-the-size-of-his-penthouse/

[Suppressed Poet]

Trump got his chance to speak during the closing arguments today. The only factual issue he addressed was the size of his apartment in Trump Tower. It was certainly not the biggest fraud alleged in the case. It's not clear why Trump addressed it and avoided the other, bigger issues.




This is what the court wrote about the apartment in the summary judgment order in September..




You can read how Forbes uncovered the fraud here.. https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2022/09/21/how-forbes-exposed-trumps-lies-about-the-size-of-his-penthouse/

Wow, that is really interesting ClydeR. Please report back to us exactly how many times Trump sits down to drop the Jeffersons off at the community pool tomorrow. It’s very important you get an accurate count. This is some serious shit.

[ClydeR]

Please report back to us exactly how many times Trump sits down to drop the Jeffersons off at the community pool tomorrow.

I don't understand that reference.

[ClydeR]

Trump's lawyers asked the judge should postpone Trump's second defamation trial so that Trump can testify without having to skip his mother-in-law's funeral. Instead of postposing the trial, the judge delayed the ending of the trial so that that Trump could testify next week. Who thinks Trump will actually testify? This trial is about how much economic damage Carroll suffered as a result of being defamed by Trump. What would Trump know about that? He should have testified in the first trial when the issue was whether or not he defamed her. It's too late now. He should not testify in this trial.

[Suppressed Poet]

I don't understand that reference.

Here are some more and perhaps you can understand at least one:

Take the Brown's to the Super Bowl
Make like Snoop and 'Drop it like it's hot'
Send a fax to Cleveland
Murder a brown snake
Liberate the brown trout
Drown a baby otter
Deploy the USS Brownfish

[Suppressed Poet]

This trial is about how much economic damage Carroll suffered as a result of being defamed by Trump. What would Trump know about that?

Wrong. This trial is about E. Jean Carroll being a money-grubbing lying whore. Trump knows something about that.

[Neveragain]

Trump's lawyers asked the judge should postpone Trump's second defamation trial so that Trump can testify without having to skip his mother-in-law's funeral. Instead of postposing the trial, the judge delayed the ending of the trial so that that Trump could testify next week. Who thinks Trump will actually testify? This trial is about how much economic damage Carroll suffered as a result of being defamed by Trump. What would Trump know about that? He should have testified in the first trial when the issue was whether or not he defamed her. It's too late now. He should not testify in this trial.

Jean Carroll does a fine job of defaming herself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldP8YNAPlTw&t=35s

[Seran]

Trump's lawyers asked the judge should postpone Trump's second defamation trial so that Trump can testify without having to skip his mother-in-law's funeral. Instead of postposing the trial, the judge delayed the ending of the trial so that that Trump could testify next week. Who thinks Trump will actually testify? This trial is about how much economic damage Carroll suffered as a result of being defamed by Trump. What would Trump know about that? He should have testified in the first trial when the issue was whether or not he defamed her. It's too late now. He should not testify in this trial.

The judge was very kind to give Trump time to compose his stump speech for the trial. He'll definitely spend some serious thought on how best to attack all involved while limping around on the golf course.