2016 Election Prediction Thread

[Androidpk]

She's slipping in PA

[Fallen]

:LOL:

OMG HE WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No arguing with you on this front. 538 running up to this election night is proving to be wildly inaccurate, as are a majority of polls.

[Parkbandit]

I think she'll pull them, but this election is starting to look like a 272/268 night- which no one saw coming

This is what happens when you get all your news from Brian Fallon.

[Stumplicker]

Clearly it's just a guess, but that's what this thread is for, anyways. From looking at the states on Politico's map, assuming they all fall where they look like they're gonna, it looks like it comes down to New Hampshire and Nevada. And if Trump wins either, he wins. But here's the kicker! If trump wins NEITHER, it's a 269/269 tie and the House decides! Exciting!

[Fallen]

Clearly it's just a guess, but that's what this thread is for, anyways. From looking at the states on Politico's map, assuming they all fall where they look like they're gonna, it looks like it comes down to New Hampshire and Nevada. And if Trump wins either, he wins. But here's the kicker! If trump wins NEITHER, it's a 269/269 tie and the House decides! Exciting!

I can't imagine a scenario where they wouldn't choose Trump in the event of a tie. If he is popular enough to force a tie, they would be shooting themselves in the foot to elect anyone else.

[Parkbandit]

She's slipping in PA

She has enough to keep the lead there. It's honestly up to MI at this point. Whoever wins that state wins the election.

I hope this opens up people's eyes on both sides of the aisle. People are fucking fed up with politics as usual.

[Geijon Khyree]

It's all real scary right now.

The secret voter swings it to Trump?

[Dendum]

Fivethirtyeight has both canidates at 49%

[Tgo01]

Fivethirtyeight has both canidates at 49%

lol

God damn Nate Silver is so useless.

[kutter]

Clearly it's just a guess, but that's what this thread is for, anyways. From looking at the states on Politico's map, assuming they all fall where they look like they're gonna, it looks like it comes down to New Hampshire and Nevada. And if Trump wins either, he wins. But here's the kicker! If trump wins NEITHER, it's a 269/269 tie and the House decides! Exciting!

It cannot happen, a candidate cannot be selected that did not win at least one electoral college vote.

[Fallen]

It certainly doesn't appear that the election was rigged against Trump.

In other news, he just won NC.

[Stumplicker]

Clearly it's just a guess, but that's what this thread is for, anyways. From looking at the states on Politico's map, assuming they all fall where they look like they're gonna, it looks like it comes down to New Hampshire and Nevada. And if Trump wins either, he wins. But here's the kicker! If trump wins NEITHER, it's a 269/269 tie and the House decides! Exciting!


It cannot happen, a candidate cannot be selected that did not win at least one electoral college vote.

.....What?

[time4fun]

Trump is now favored for WI. If that's the case, this is almost impossible for her to win.

This is the scariest political moment in my lifetime

[Tgo01]

This is the scariest political moment in my lifetime

https://media.giphy.com/media/10hfegXGKVRVNm/giphy.gif

[Fallen]

Well, here's hoping he can patch things up with Putin. I honestly don't know what to expect in terms of foreign conflicts, current and upcoming, with him as POTUS.

[Methais]

Trump is now favored for WI. If that's the case, this is almost impossible for her to win.

This is the scariest political moment in my lifetime

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5iB6_73rNnc/maxresdefault.jpg

[Taernath]

Trump is now favored for WI. If that's the case, this is almost impossible for her to win.

This is the scariest political moment in my lifetime

Relax, Running Man doesn't start until 2019.

[Tisket]

Trump is now favored for WI. If that's the case, this is almost impossible for her to win.

This is the scariest political moment in my lifetime

Oh get a grip, you enormous, gaping cunt.

[Gelston]

At least she said in her lifetime and not ever.

[Tgo01]

Trump winning Michigan with less than 10k votes. The counties who haven't reported yet all went Romney in 2012, half of them went McCain in 2008.

[Warriorbird]

Trump winning Michigan with less than 10k votes. The counties who haven't reported yet all went Romney in 2012, half of them went McCain in 2008.

Yeah. Either Michigan or Wisconsin and it doesn't matter if she pulls off Pennsylvania (also doubtful.) Ah well. Time for the Democratic Party to work to regain Congress.

Scarier bit? Probably won't happen to 2020.

[Gelston]

He got Wi already.

[Warriorbird]

He got Wi already.

Yeah, basically. Would be baffling to imagine a bunch of country counties going for Clinton. My point was she needed all three and isn't getting there in more than one.

[Androidpk]

Trump up to 77% on 538.

[Warriorbird]

Alexsandr Dugin did well.

[Tgo01]

Trump up to 77% on 538.

lol

Nate Silver still trying to remain relevant?

"Look guys! LOOK! I called it when over half of the states already had their votes in!!!"

[Fallen]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/final-election-update-theres-a-wide-range-of-outcomes-and-most-of-them-come-up-clinton/

They gave Trump a 28ish % chance of winning in their final election projection pre-voting.

http://i2.wp.com/espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/screen-shot-2016-11-08-at-9-59-47-am.png?quality=90&strip=all&w=575&ssl=1

[Androidpk]

lol

Nate Silver still trying to remain relevant?

"Look guys! LOOK! I called it when over half of the states already had their votes in!!!"

Nate Silver is ClydeR

[Tgo01]

Trump's lead in MI is widening, up to about a 52k lead now.

That's pretty much game, we're most likely looking at President Trump.

[drauz]

Trump's lead in MI is widening, up to about a 52k lead now.

That's pretty much game, we're most likely looking at President Trump.

Just saw a couple heavy democrat areas are still only 30% in.

[Gelston]

Just saw a couple heavy democrat areas are still only 30% in.

AZ and New Hampshire would give Trump 269. He really only needs 269 to win.

[DoctorUnne]

Not sure why people are bashing 538 when something they gave a 25% probability of happening actually happened? That's just like the probability of it raining tomorrow

[time4fun]

This is over.

[Androidpk]

It's been fun watching the liberals on /r/hillaryclinton melt down and get triggered into the next century.

[Tgo01]

Not sure why people are bashing 538 when something they gave a 25% probability of happening actually happened? That's just like the probability of it raining tomorrow

Because he gave Trump a 1% chance of winning the Republican nomination then had him down to like 11% chance of winning a week ago and actually dropped his change of winning today compared to yesterday.

EDIT: It occurs to me your post may have been sarcasm.

[drauz]

This is over.

Picked the wrong candidate in the primary.

[Androidpk]

This is over.

Are you finally feeling the Bern?

[drauz]

Evan McMullin tied with Clinton for second place in Utah.

[Fallen]

Clinton wins Nevada.

[Warriorbird]

For all our Republican friends:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdYGQ7B0Vew

48% of you think Putin's a good leader.

[ClydeR]

Trump's lead in MI is widening, up to about a 52k lead now.

That's pretty much game, we're most likely looking at President Trump.

I don't know about Michigan, but Trump looks likely to win Wisconsin. If he wins either Wisconsin or Michigan, then he will be president. It will be the fifth time in the nation's history -- and the second time in the lifetime of anyone alive today -- that the winner of the popular did not win the electoral vote.

[Androidpk]

48% of you think Putin's a good leader.

He pays nicely too.

[drauz]

Wonder if liberals will blame a loss on Russia.

[Warriorbird]

Wonder if liberals will blame a loss on Russia.

All sorts of stuff to blame it on. Poor candidate choice, inaccurate polling, lack of willing to address some of our glaring manufacturing/urban issues.

Ideally it'll be about moving forwards. Republicans don't lose bad in 2018 and we'll probably be indistinguishable from Putin's opposition.

[time4fun]

We're about to elect a man who is going to be in a hearing for one of about a dozen fraud trials this month.

For all of the right's bluster about electing a criminal in Clinton, ironically, they elected one themselves.

[Androidpk]

We're about to elect a man who is going to be in a hearing for one of about a dozen fraud trials this month.

For all of the right's bluster about electing a criminal in Clinton, ironically, they elected one themselves.

He's not a criminal if he hasn't been indicted, duh.

[drauz]

I don't know about Michigan, but Trump looks likely to win Wisconsin. If he wins either Wisconsin or Michigan, then he will be president. It will be the fifth time in the nation's history -- and the second time in the lifetime of anyone alive today -- that the winner of the popular did not win the electoral vote.

According to CNN he is winning the popular vote as well.

[drauz]

All sorts of stuff to blame it on. Poor candidate choice, inaccurate polling, lack of willing to address some of our glaring manufacturing/urban issues.

Ideally it'll be about moving forwards. Republicans don't lose bad in 2018 and we'll probably be indistinguishable from Putin's opposition.

I was just suggesting how ironic it would be.

[beldannon5]

isn't he winning the popular vote or am I misunderstanding something

[Tgo01]

We're about to elect a man who is going to be in a hearing for one of about a dozen fraud trials this month.

For all of the right's bluster about electing a criminal in Clinton, ironically, they elected one themselves.

:rofl:

[Gelston]

isn't he winning the popular vote or am I misunderstanding something

He is.

[ClydeR]

isn't he winning the popular vote or am I misunderstanding something

Trump is currently ahead in the popular vote. But California's unreported popular vote will give Clinton the lead.

[Tgo01]

isn't he winning the popular vote or am I misunderstanding something

He is but to be fair she will get a lot of votes from California, not sure if it will put her over the top though.

[ClydeR]

This is the best map I can come up with for Clinton. And she is likely to lose at least one of Michigan, Pennsylvania, NE-2 or ME-2. I really do not see her winning NE-2's one electoral vote.


http://www.270towin.com/presidential_map_new/maps/NbpgQ.png

[time4fun]

She won't get either.

An authoritarian who abuses minorities for votes just got control of all three branches of government.

What could possibly go wrong with this plan?

[drauz]

Trump jumped ahead in PA by 2.5k votes

[Androidpk]

This is the best map I can come up with for Clinton. And she is likely to lose at least one of Michigan, Pennsylvania, NE-2 or ME-2. I really do not see her winning NE-2's one electoral vote.


http://www.270towin.com/presidential_map_new/maps/NbpgQ.png

That's quite a change from your prediction. You're getting sloppy, Clyde.

[drauz]

She won't get either.

An authoritarian who abuses minorities for votes just got control of all three branches of government.

What could possibly go wrong with this plan?

But Clinton isn't looking like she will win...?

[Tgo01]

She won't get either.

An authoritarian who abuses minorities for votes just got control of all three branches of government.

What could possibly go wrong with this plan?

:rofl:

[Tgo01]

But Clinton isn't looking like she will win...?

:rofl:

[Androidpk]

She won't get either.

An authoritarian who abuses minorities for votes just got control of all three branches of government.

What could possibly go wrong with this plan?

Does he abuse minorities like Podesta and crew abuse children?

[Methais]

:rofl:

:rofl:

[Fallen]

Polls are now closed in Alaska, all that's left now is the counting.

[Gelston]

Trump will get Alaska.

[Tgo01]

Trump will get Alaska.

Nuh uh! It's a swing state just like Texas, GA, and AZ!

lol lol lol

Sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face while typing that.

[RichardCranium]

She won't get either.

An authoritarian who abuses minorities for votes just got control of all three branches of government.

What could possibly go wrong with this plan?

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

[drauz]

Guy on CNN just said the reason Trump is winning is because of white lash....

Had to look that up to be sure, but I figured I knew what it meant.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/whitelash

whitelash - backlash by white racists against black civil rights advances

[RichardCranium]

Guy on CNN just said the reason Trump is winning is because of white lash....

Had to look that up to be sure, but I figured I knew what it meant.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/whitelash

whitelash - backlash by white racists against black civil rights advances

Nigga please.

[Fallen]

Republicans have officially retained control of the Senate with Toomey's win in PA.

[Warriorbird]

Guy on CNN just said the reason Trump is winning is because of white lash....

Had to look that up to be sure, but I figured I knew what it meant.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/whitelash

whitelash - backlash by white racists against black civil rights advances

Certainly part of it by some folks. I think that's far from the only element involved though.

David Duke lost after all.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-louisiana-david-dukes-hopes-for-a-trump-effect-are-crushed/2016/11/08/181230e8-a5f7-11e6-ba59-a7d93165c6d4_story.html

[drauz]

I think the best thing is that the cry of racist, etc. has come full circle and bit them in the ass. They've cried racist so much it has literally lost any effect. "The party that cried Racist."

[Tgo01]

I think the best thing is that the cry of racist, etc. has come full circle and bit them in the ass. They've cried racist so much it has literally lost any effect. "The party that cried Racist."

Yup. Who would have thunk that the strategy of calling everyone who disagrees with you racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, Islamaphobic, and bigot wouldn't last forever? It helped them for literally 2 presidential elections and now people are tired of it.

[Warriorbird]

I think the best thing is that the cry of racist, etc. has come full circle and bit them in the ass. They've cried racist so much it has literally lost any effect. "The party that cried Racist."

Yeah. When we get stop and frisk and deportations and banning of religions it'll be too late.

[Androidpk]

Yeah. When we get stop and frisk and deportations and banning of religions it'll be too late.

The Russians are coming!

[Taernath]

Yeah. When we get stop and frisk and deportations and banning of religions it'll be too late.

Well, at least Arpaio's gone. That's my one highlight this election.

[Gelston]

Yeah. When we get stop and frisk and deportations and banning of religions it'll be too late.

Yeah no.

[Neveragain]

I think Trump will win Wisconsin.

That's right, no SCJ's, no house, no senate, no executive branch.

I suggest the left continue with the use of ism's, it works so well.

[Warriorbird]

Yeah no.

Those are Trump policy proposals. He controls Congress and the White House.


That's right, no SCJ's, no house, no senate, no executive branch.

I suggest the left continue with the use of ism's, it works so well.

Thankfully we see how that worked out for the Republican Party last time.

The Supreme Court will suck, but they're usually behind the country.

[Fallen]

The AP has called PA for Trump. That's a wrap, folks. I'm staying up for 1-2 more MJ announcements, then getting some sleep.

[Tgo01]

I might have a heart attack from all of this extra salt from drinking Democrat tears.

[drauz]

Yeah. When we get stop and frisk and deportations and banning of religions it'll be too late.

I have problems with 2 of those 3 things. I don't like stop and frisk, I think its a huge reach from Terry v Ohio. There is no way a ban on religion would ever get upheld by the SCOTUS. I dislike the ideas from Islam, but I wouldn't like to try to ban it.

Deportations I don't have a problem with.

[drauz]

Who wants to bet Trump puts the presidential seal on his building? If thats even allowed.

[Neveragain]

Those are Trump policy proposals. He controls Congress and the White House.



Thankfully we see how that worked out for the Republican Party last time.

The Supreme Court will suck, but they're usually behind the country.

I believe it was the Dems that last had all three branches and squandered the opportunity. I suppose they can claim they were the first to ever force the American people to buy a product.

[Androidpk]

The AP has called PA for Trump. That's a wrap, folks. I'm staying up for 1-2 more MJ announcements, then getting some sleep.

When are you moving to a different state?

[Warriorbird]

I believe it was the Dems that last had all three branches and squandered the opportunity. I suppose they can claim they were the first to ever force the American people to buy a product.

Man, that Heritage Foundation. So evil and liberal. Both parties have a tendency to do badly with all three branches, I agree.


I have problems with 2 of those 3 things. I don't like stop and frisk, I think its a huge reach from Terry v Ohio. There is no way a ban on religion would ever get upheld by the SCOTUS. I dislike the ideas from Islam, but I wouldn't like to try to ban it.

Deportations I don't have a problem with.

It'll get upheld by Trump's new SCOTUS.

Deportation wise? Republicans do seem to forget that all those people tend to support traditionally Republican industries, like farming and construction and Walmart. It doesn't actually do much to our winery because we use gullible white college students but I hardly think all fruit producers will be similarly safe.

[Fallen]

When are you moving to a different state?

Pot should be legal here within 4-8 years. It'll be longer than that before I can indulge, though.

[kutter]

So I wonder how long until all those assholes from Hollywood move to Canada?

[Androidpk]

Pot should be legal here within 4-8 years. It'll be longer than that before I can indulge, though.

Move to MA and change your career. Open a dispensary!

[Neveragain]

I might have a heart attack from all of this extra salt from drinking Democrat tears.

I'm waiting to quench my thirst with the tears of the media, their next on the agenda.

[Androidpk]

Where is Hillary's concession speech?

[Tgo01]

Where is Hillary's concession speech?

Looks like she's postponing it. She's probably talking with her lawyers to see if they can contest some state results. You know, the type of thing liberals and the media were giving Trump shit for thinking about doing if he lost.

[Gelston]

She is preparing to flee the country, obviously.

[drauz]

Lets see if he does get the AG on her.

[Androidpk]

Fire Lynch and set the FBI loose on the Clintons/Clinton Foundation.

[drauz]

Podesta just sent everyone home said to wait until tomorrow. I can only imagine what kind of terrible mood Clinton is in, I feel bad for her staffers.

[Gelston]

Podesta just sent everyone home said to wait until tomorrow. I can only imagine what kind of terrible mood Clinton is in, I feel bad for her staffers.

Yes, I've always heard she has a hellacious temper

[Gelston]

Fox and Google called Pennsylvania for Trump placing him at 274.

[Candor]

Looks like she's postponing it. She's probably talking with her lawyers to see if they can contest some state results. You know, the type of thing liberals and the media were giving Trump shit for thinking about doing if he lost.

That sort of thing is evil only if Republicans do it.

[Gelston]

Trump giving victory speech.

[Stolis]

Only thing that could make this night any better is a full on meltdown from Vishra. What we're getting now just is the tip of the iceberg, and I want the entire thing.

No surprise that Hillary didn't have the courage to go before her followers and say anything to them. Just shows that she didn't give a shit about them or anyone else. Now to see just how far she's about to fall.

[drauz]

Lets see what the Republicans do. They have the President, house and senate.

[Candor]

Lets see what the Republicans do. They have the President, house and senate.

True, but the Senate margin could be very thin. As I write this, Republicans have 51 seats, Democrats 45 seats, and Independents 2 seats. Two races are still undecided.

[Gelston]

Only thing that could make this night any better is a full on meltdown from Vishra. What we're getting now just is the tip of the iceberg, and I want the entire thing.

No surprise that Hillary didn't have the courage to go before her followers and say anything to them. Just shows that she didn't give a shit about them or anyone else. Now to see just how far she's about to fall.

Vishra is Time4fun. She already started.

[Androidpk]

/r/HillaryClinton locked all their threads.. :lol:

[drauz]

Clinton called Trump to concede according to CNN. Confirmed Trump is the President.

[Androidpk]

Thanks, Director Comey! :love:

[Tgo01]

This is all still so surreal to me. I honestly never for a second thought Trump could win this.

I guess the American people finally wised up and had enough of the bullshit.

[Androidpk]

This is all still so surreal to me. I honestly never for a second thought Trump could win this.

I guess the American people finally wised up and had enough of the bullshit.

Everyone should have listened to me when I was saying Bernie was the candidate that could have beat Trump, not Shillary.

[Gelston]

I think any candidate could have beaten Hillary. I bet Jeb Bush would have made her look like Mondale.

[Candor]

This is all still so surreal to me. I honestly never for a second thought Trump could win this.

I thought Clinton was going to win by a wide margin. Shows what I know.

[drauz]

I was surprised that Trump was some what humble in his acceptance speech.

[Shaps]

Lol.. I love watching the liberal media losing their shit already.

Liberals don't get the idea of you can beat someone up during a fight (which Trump did), and at the end of it offer your hand to lift your opponent back up (Which Trump did tonight). He's won, and I think you'll see a major shift in how he approaches dealing with Democrats and Independents.

Liberals finally ran into someone that would not cower just because they threw insults at him. He fought back, and that paradigm shift is going to confuse the fuck out of them... because for so long liberals have been able to act as both the bully and the abused as it suited their needs.

Well they just hit a fucking wall in that regards.

Hopefully they can get over it and actually work to bring this country together.

[Androidpk]

Lol.. I love watching the liberal media losing their shit already.

Liberals don't get the idea of you can beat someone up during a fight (which Trump did), and at the end of it offer your hand to lift your opponent back up (Which Trump did tonight). He's won, and I think you'll see a major shift in how he approaches dealing with Democrats and Independents.

Liberals finally ran into someone that would not cower just because they threw insults at him. He fought back, and that paradigm shift is going to confuse the fuck out of them... because for so long liberals have been able to act as both the bully and the abused as it suited their needs.

Well they just hit a fucking wall in that regards.

Hopefully they can get over it and actually work to bring this country together.

Dump Brazile, install Gabbard as the new DNC chair, and get their fucking act together. Meanwhile I hope the media learns their lesson as well.

[Gelston]

I'm almost ready to post my election predictions.

[Shaps]

One thing someone mentioned above already... I did think it was a shame that Clinton did not wait around to speak to her supporters. After all of the effort and support given by the people, it would have been nice to see her speak to the crowd that had gathered.

It's not a big deal, just one of those cordial things to do I think. Could be I'm old fashioned.

[Gelston]

8190

Clinton: 352
Trump: 186

-Dems pick up Arizona by a hair by focusing a lot of attention on it for the next few weeks with their A-List.
-Trump barely takes Utah and also takes Iowa but loses the other swing states through a lack of ground game, because the RNC will stop providing anything more than the minimum amount of support needed for optics, and because Trump will continue to dig into "the entire thing is rigged" which will end up hurting enthusiasm in his own base while ticking enthusiasm up in voters who oppose him.

Senate: Dems pick up NH, IL, IN, MO, WI and keep NV. GOP keeps PA and NC by the barest thread, in part because both incumbents will start running heavily as a needed check on a Democratic President (i.e. they'll run as though Trump has already lost) Final count: D51:R49

House: Dems pick up somewhere between 13-18 seats, but the GOP retains control over the House- in large part because down ballot candidates will be given the official thumbs up to run against Clinton's Presidency in the few districts that aren't so gerrymandered that they're beyond contesting.

My prediction is definitely not this though. I'm done gloating until next election.

[Androidpk]

One thing someone mentioned above already... I did think it was a shame that Clinton did not wait around to speak to her supporters. After all of the effort and support given by the people, it would have been nice to see her speak to the crowd that had gathered.

It's not a big deal, just one of those cordial things to do I think. Could be I'm old fashioned.

It's true, she literally has no balls.

[Shaps]

Best part of that whole prediction... "with their A-List"... Granted, I like Katy Perry... but if you're letting her performance ability influence your vote... well, that's the problem.

Just makes me chuckle :P

[Androidpk]

My prediction is definitely not this though. I'm done gloating until next election.

Give her a break, she doesn't understand how elections work.

​Zero. Self. Awareness.

[Gelston]

Yeah, i think she should have come out and made the "Hard fought" speech, although I think she expected Trump to wait until tomorrow. She probably didn't expect Pa to be called until later.

[Gelston]

Give her a break, she doesn't understand how elections work.

​Zero. Self. Awareness.

Man, she lives in San Francisco. I imagine there are probably 2 Trump supporters in the entire county. She wasn't wrong for her thoughts, she just didn't realize that SF is not an example of the rest of the US.

[Shaps]

I'll admit though.. the one thing I did NOT expect.. was Trump winning the popular vote. That is just amazing. Truly fucking amazing. For all the shit stacked up against him, I thought he'd have to get lucky... but damn... He seriously won the popular vote... Crazy.

[Androidpk]

Man, she lives in San Francisco. I imagine there are probably 2 Trump supporters in the entire county. She wasn't wrong for her thoughts, she just didn't realize that SF is not an example of the rest of the US.

Spoken like an ignorant man that doesn't understand the struggle of a rich white lady living in San Fran.

[Gelston]

I'll admit though.. the one thing I did NOT expect.. was Trump winning the popular vote. That is just amazing. Truly fucking amazing. For all the shit stacked up against him, I thought he'd have to get lucky... but damn... He seriously won the popular vote... Crazy.

Eh, he might not have. Cali votes are still rolling in.

[Shaps]

Eh, he might not have. Cali votes are still rolling in.

Hmm.. will be interesting then to see how it plays out with final tallies. I'll amend my statement then.. at no point up to over 110m votes has he trailed. Didn't see that coming at all! :P

It's just truly astounding what he pulled off. One of those rare political campaigns. When you look at what he did numbers/% wise throughout the whole thing it's nuts..

This is what.. first time since 1922 they said, since Republicans had controlled everything? That's saying something. No way around it at all. Everyone should respect what he pulled off, even if they don't agree with him on everything.

[Androidpk]

Best part of that whole prediction... "with their A-List"... Granted, I like Katy Perry... but if you're letting her performance ability influence your vote... well, that's the problem.

Just makes me chuckle :P

The only time she EVER had energized crowds was when she had some A-lister up on stage with her. No energy.

[Gelston]

Hmm.. will be interesting then to see how it plays out with final tallies. I'll amend my statement then.. at no point up to over 110m votes has he trailed. Didn't see that coming at all! :P

It's just truly astounding what he pulled off. One of those rare political campaigns. When you look at what he did numbers/% wise throughout the whole thing it's nuts..

This is what.. first time since 1922 they said, since Republicans had controlled everything? That's saying something. No way around it at all. Everyone should respect what he pulled off, even if they don't agree with him on everything.

First time a President coming in that his party has controlled everything. It has been done since, but not for a brand new guy.

[Androidpk]

Hmm.. will be interesting then to see how it plays out with final tallies. I'll amend my statement then.. at no point up to over 110m votes has he trailed. Didn't see that coming at all! :P

It's just truly astounding what he pulled off. One of those rare political campaigns. When you look at what he did numbers/% wise throughout the whole thing it's nuts..

This is what.. first time since 1922 they said, since Republicans had controlled everything? That's saying something. No way around it at all. Everyone should respect what he pulled off, even if they don't agree with him on everything.

What's really fucking funny is Hillary and her team conspiring with liberal media to help push Trump towards the republican nomination thinking he was the one they could beat.

[Gelston]

What's really fucking funny is Hillary and her team conspiring with liberal media to help push Trump towards the republican nomination thinking he was the one they could beat.

Well, he was her best chance. I think any one else up there would have annihilated the ever living shit out of her.

[Shaps]

Well, he was her best chance. I think any one else up there would have annihilated the ever living shit out of her.

I honestly don't think so Gelston. Do I think there were better candidates than Trump in the Republican field.. I do.

But I think they would have withered under the attacks by her Campaign and the media. They would have balked and apologized at some point, which would have just drained all energy from their supporters.

Trump was needed for at least this one facet, to expose and disrupt the political structure completely (both Dem and Republican). Who the hell knows how it will turn out, but we'll see.

[Gelston]

I honestly don't think so Gelston. Do I think there were better candidates than Trump in the Republican field.. I do.

But I think they would have withered under the attacks by her Campaign and the media. They would have balked and apologized at some point, which would have just drained all energy from their supporters.

Trump was needed for at least this one facet, to expose and disrupt the political structure completely (both Dem and Republican). Who the hell knows how it will turn out, but we'll see.

Eh, I don't think it'll be that much different from any other Presidency. He'll speak a bit, get some things changed, but Government works slow. He might chance ACA to something else, but I don't think it is going away. I'm a little curious how he'll use Presidential powers under the War Powers Act. I honestly think we'll se a way more subdued Trump though. He doesn't need to be loud and flashy anymore.

[Androidpk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5r8lsL0JSA

[Parkbandit]

Fivethirtyeight has both canidates at 49%

OMG HE IS AMAZINGLY ACCURATE!

[loxe]

Bye bye Rosie bye-bye! Too soon?

[Parkbandit]

Wonder if liberals will blame a loss on Russia.

DON'T FORGET THAT BASTARD COMEY TOO! AND WIKILEAKS!

[Androidpk]

Already seeing them blame it on the following;

White people
Racist white people
Stupid white people
Entitled white people
Ungrateful black people
Baby boomers
Comey
the FBI
Wikileaks
Putin
Russians
Sexists
Mysognyists
Fringe groups

[Parkbandit]

I thought Clinton was going to win by a wide margin. Shows what I know.

/agree

With the 2nd sentence.. not so much with the first.

[Parkbandit]

Lol.. I love watching the liberal media losing their shit already.

Liberals don't get the idea of you can beat someone up during a fight (which Trump did), and at the end of it offer your hand to lift your opponent back up (Which Trump did tonight). He's won, and I think you'll see a major shift in how he approaches dealing with Democrats and Independents.

Liberals finally ran into someone that would not cower just because they threw insults at him. He fought back, and that paradigm shift is going to confuse the fuck out of them... because for so long liberals have been able to act as both the bully and the abused as it suited their needs.

Well they just hit a fucking wall in that regards.

Hopefully they can get over it and actually work to bring this country together.

Watching MSNBC last night was amazing. I hope they can cry even harder this morning.

[Parkbandit]

Give her a break, she doesn't understand how elections work.

​Zero. Self. Awareness.

I believe you are getting the "girls" mixed up. That was Ashliana's overuse.

[Parkbandit]

Bye bye Rosie bye-bye! Too soon?

Never too soon.

Think Canada will take all these fools though? They probably should put in some restrictions.

[Parkbandit]

Already seeing them blame it on the following;

White people
Racist white people
Stupid white people
Entitled white people
Ungrateful black people
Baby boomers
Comey
the FBI
Wikileaks
Putin
Russians
Sexists
Mysognyists
Fringe groups

If you look at the actual data.. it wasn't what Trump did, it was more what Hillary didn't do. She under performed big time. No energy or enthusiasm to get out to vote for her.

One of my favorite parts is: The "personal insult" directed at Obama by the African American community.

[Parkbandit]

Oh gee, look. Final early voting numbers are in, and I was right! A total of 50k edge in Dem voters banked from yesterday alone.

Sorry Mr Rove, you still don't understand how elections work.

.....

Here.. we set the table for you.

http://thinkingrightblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/eating-crow.jpg

Bon appetit!!

[Tgo01]

.....

Here.. we set the table for you.

http://thinkingrightblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/eating-crow.jpg

Bon appetit!!

lol

[Parkbandit]

I wonder if time4fun or Warriorbird will even crawl out from under the bed today.. since it's so scary to them.

[Parkbandit]

Dozens of celebrities vowed to leave the country if Donald Trump won the White House, saying they’d flee to everywhere from Canada to Jupiter.

The threat is a common one after any election outcome: Canada’s immigration website crashed from heavy traffic as it looked increasingly likely that Trump would win.

But after the real estate mogul clinched the presidency in a stunning victory early Wednesday morning, some of those stars will face questions about making good on their promise.

Here is a list of some of the celebs who claimed they would move out of the U.S. under a Trump administration.


Actors

Bryan Cranston said he hopes he doesn’t have to pack his bags, but would “definitely move” if Trump won. “Absolutely, I would definitely move,” the “Breaking Bad” star said on “The Bestseller Experiment” podcast. “It’s not real to me that that would happen. I hope to God it won’t.”

Samuel L. Jackson slammed Trump for running a “hate”-filled campaign and said he would move to South Africa if he wins. “If that motherf---er becomes president, I’m moving my black ass to South Africa,” the movie star quipped to Jimmy Kimmel.

Lena Dunham told Andy Cohen at the Matrix Awards that “I know a lot of people have been threatening to do this, but I really will. I know a lovely place in Vancouver.” The star and creator of HBO’s “Girls” has been a vocal advocate for Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee.

Neve Campbell, an actress on the political drama “House of Cards,” vowed to move back home to Canada, while “Orange is the New Black” actress Natasha Lyonne said she would hightail it to a mental hospital.


Singers

Cher tweeted this summer that if Trump gets elected, “I’m moving to Jupiter.”

Miley Cyrus wrote in an emotional Instagram post in March that tears were running down her cheek and she was unbelievably scared and sad. “I am moving if he is president,” the young pop star said. “I don’t say things I don’t mean!”

Barbara Streisand, a vocal Clinton supporter, told “60 Minutes” that “I’m either coming to your country if you’ll let me in, or Canada.”

Ne-Yo told TMZ last month that he’d move to Canada and be neighbors with fellow R&B singer Drake if the country elected Trump.


Comedians

Comedian Amy Schumer said in September that Spain would be her destination of choice.

“My act will change because I will need to learn to speak Spanish,” Schumer said in an appearance on the BBC’s “Newsnight.” “Because I will move to Spain or somewhere. It’s beyond my comprehension if Trump won. It’s just too crazy.”

Chelsea Handler said she already made contingency plans months ago.

“I did buy a house in another country just in case,” the comedian and talk show host said during an appearance on “Live with Kelly and Michael” in May. “So all these people that threaten to leave the country and then don’t — I actually will leave that country.”

Former “Daily Show” host Jon Stewart said he would consider “getting in a rocket and going to another planet, because clearly this planet’s gone bonkers” if the real estate mogul wins.

Whoopi Goldberg, co-host of the “The View”, said on an episode of the talk show earlier this year that if the country elects Trump, “maybe it’s time for me to move, you know. I can afford to go.”

Keegan-Michael Key said he would flee north to Canada. “It’s like, 10 minutes from Detroit,” the comedian told TMZ in January. “That’s where I’m from; my mom lives there. It’d make her happy too.”

Hispanic comedian George Lopez said Trump “won’t have to worry about immigration” if he takes the White House because “we’ll all go back.”


Political Figures

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg joked in an interview with The New York Times in July that it’d be time to move to New Zealand if Trump were to win.

“Now it’s time for us to move to New Zealand,” she said quoting her husband who died in 2010. “I can’t imagine what the country would be with Donald Trump as our president. For the country, it could be four years. For the court, it could be — I don’t even want to contemplate that.”

Ginsburg later apologized for her comments, calling them “ill-advised.”

Civil rights activist Al Sharpton told a reporter earlier this year that he’s “reserving my ticket out of here if [Trump] wins.”

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/305117-celebs-who-said-theyd-leave-country-if-trump-won

We need to make sure these people keep their promises!

[drauz]

No Justin Beiber, I am disappoint.

[Luftstreitkräfte]

You idiots kidding? Landslide for Trump except the stupid fucking liberal states.

http://www.270towin.com/presidential_map_new/maps/NkLW0.png

Up like Donald Trump mother fuckers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLa9YxV1Xps

[macgyver]

The best part about all this is the parade of awkwardness coming from Hollywood and media outlets. The Donald is Prez!

[Parkbandit]

Already seeing them blame it on the following;

White people
Racist white people
Stupid white people
Entitled white people
Ungrateful black people
Baby boomers
Comey
the FBI
Wikileaks
Putin
Russians
Sexists
Mysognyists
Fringe groups

Add Johnson to that list.. because clearly if he wasn't on the ballot, those people would have voted for Hillary.

[Parkbandit]

No Justin Beiber, I am disappoint.

He's Canadian.

[drauz]

He's Canadian.

Living in the US, take him back!

[Jarvan]

So... Has Time4fun left the country yet?

[Wrathbringer]

I wonder if time4fun or Warriorbird will even crawl out from under the bed today.. since it's so scary to them.

I'm eagerly awaiting a liberal rant from someone. :popcorn:

[macgyver]

Ahh, YouTube comments...

"now I can fuck my wife hard tonight and it will feel so geed.(sic)"

[ClydeR]

Well at least I emerged from this with an amazing record of predicting the results. I'm sure you noticed that I said Clinton would win the popular vote. And you were all like, "No, Trump is ahead." And I said California would change that. And once again, I was exactly right about something.

[Parkbandit]

Well at least I emerged from this with an amazing record of predicting the results. I'm sure you noticed that I said Clinton would win the popular vote. And you were all like, "No, Trump is ahead." And I said California would change that. And once again, I was exactly right about something.

A broken watch is right twice a day.

We "all" weren't like anything, since most of us just ignore your ridiculous presence here.

You were wrong like all your liberal buddies. I just wish you were American so I could laugh harder at you.

Have fun getting shit on in the stock market today though.

[Parkbandit]

So... Has Time4fun left the country yet?

She's still hiding under her bed because the world is so "frightening" for her.

I guess I can unignore my sister now.. she will be very quiet again.

[drauz]

Well at least I emerged from this with an amazing record of predicting the results. I'm sure you noticed that I said Clinton would win the popular vote. And you were all like, "No, Trump is ahead." And I said California would change that. And once again, I was exactly right about something.

Well, both were right. He was ahead in the popular vote and CA did change that. Those two aren't mutually exclusive.

[Parkbandit]

I wonder if Hillary is just going to email her concession speech in today...

[Jhynnifer]

I wonder if Hillary is just going to email her concession speech in today...

I do have to admit, out of all of this, the only part that really made me smile was the idea that Hilary had to come to grips with the fact that she lost to, of all people, Donald Trump.

I'm still not happy about the results, but it was going to be an asshole in the white house regardless of who won. The next four years should be good for entertainment value at least.

[Parkbandit]

I do have to admit, out of all of this, the only part that really made me smile was the idea that Hilary had to come to grips with the fact that she lost to, of all people, Donald Trump.

I'm still not happy about the results, but it was going to be an asshole in the white house regardless of who won. The next four years should be good for entertainment value at least.

Except for the part about being happy about the results.. I 100% agree.

[macgyver]

Think there's going to be a tone or implied message of "wait and see you guys will regret this!" in her concession.

[ClydeR]

So far, Trump got fewer votes than Romney in 2012, and Clinton got a lot fewer votes than Obama in 2012. Was turnout down?

[Jhynnifer]

So far, Trump got fewer votes than Romney in 2012, and Clinton got a lot fewer votes than Obama in 2012. Was turnout down?

Urban voting was overall down, while rural voting was up... is my understanding.

[Jhynnifer]

Except for the part about being happy about the results.. I 100% agree.

I'd love to sit down sometime and have an actual adult conversation about why people think this is a good thing. I really can't see it. That being said, having watched every conversation on it devolve into insults, I'm probably not going to find it on the PC. ;)

[macgyver]

So far, Trump got fewer votes than Romney in 2012, and Clinton got a lot fewer votes than Obama in 2012. Was turnout down?

Yep I actually saw some people at my polling station turn around and leave after waiting over an hour. Think the little secret is Trump won because the damn lines were incredible and only people from A.) Rural areas B.) Disgruntled unemplyoyed who wanted change C.) Old white retirees like me were the ones who could afford to vote. Immigrants needed to get back to work; and young white educated needed their caramel macchiatos and "tee hee with boys."

[Fallen]

May we live in interesting times.

[Parkbandit]

I'd love to sit down sometime and have an actual adult conversation about why people think this is a good thing. I really can't see it. That being said, having watched every conversation on it devolve into insults, I'm probably not going to find it on the PC. ;)

To me, it's because I already know what I'm getting with Hillary. Trump is an unknown.. he was a liberal just what, 5 years or so ago? He could be like "HA! FOOLED YOU FUCKERS!" and be worse than Hillary, but it's the chance I had to take. I could never vote for Hillary for dog catcher and Trump gives me hope that he honestly wants to go in there and drain the swamp. I liked most things on his Contract with America (https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf), especially term limits, ending sanctuary cities, lobbyist ban, regulation elimination, etc...

[SHAFT]

How long until we have a female White House staff member accusing trump of grabbing her pussy? Over under 3 months. I take the under.

[macgyver]

Just want to say Back to the Future called this 30 years ago...

https://pmchollywoodlife.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/back-to-the-future-confirms-biff-tannen-based-on-donald-trump-ftr.jpg?w=600&h=550&crop=1

[Neveragain]

I'd love to sit down sometime and have an actual adult conversation about why people think this is a good thing. I really can't see it. That being said, having watched every conversation on it devolve into insults, I'm probably not going to find it on the PC. ;)

I think most the middle and lower class have come to terms with the idea that the best thing that could happen is a complete financial collapse and that prolonging the inevitable only hurts them.

[Jhynnifer]

To me, it's because I already know what I'm getting with Hillary. Trump is an unknown.. he was a liberal just what, 5 years or so ago? He could be like "HA! FOOLED YOU FUCKERS!" and be worse than Hillary, but it's the chance I had to take. I could never vote for Hillary for dog catcher and Trump gives me hope that he honestly wants to go in there and drain the swamp. I liked most things on his Contract with America (https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf), especially term limits, ending sanctuary cities, lobbyist ban, regulation elimination, etc...

I can understand that. I think Hillary's conduct over the years is reprehensible. I've also seen the way he's handled business dealings both domestic and abroad and think he's not much better. If I discount the ridiculous things he says in public as just knee-jerk reactions, I still think his moral compass is broken (which is an argument you could make for ANY politician). If he puts any of these CwA items into actual effect, maybe I'll change my opinion of him. But right now I'm face palming.

[kutter]

If he could get only 1 thing in 10 done on his Contract, his Presidency would still be a HUGE success. For me 1st and foremost is Term limits then we have to get a handle on immigration We are the Beacon on the Hill because we are a nation of laws, but when it comes to immigration we are not a nation of laws.

[Fallen]

Clinton is going to speak in a few minutes.

Here is a link, though I imagine others might have a better one: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/11/09/watch-live-hillary-clinton-addresses-supporters-after-defeat/93532872/

[macgyver]

Clinton is going to speak in a few minutes.

Here is a link, though I imagine others might have a better one: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/11/09/watch-live-hillary-clinton-addresses-supporters-after-defeat/93532872/

https://66.media.tumblr.com/f8d306007614d5c2bdddd86fdfbc94e0/tumblr_nna5xeJO681t9sksvo1_400.gif

Heard she bailed on everyone last night; wouldn't even come out.

[kutter]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/f8d306007614d5c2bdddd86fdfbc94e0/tumblr_nna5xeJO681t9sksvo1_400.gif

Heard she bailed on everyone last night; wouldn't even come out.

Someone on CNN said that they had heard that she could not handle the fact that she had lost, that she was too emotional, and all I could think was, and she wanted to lead the free world, really, she is that weak?

[macgyver]

They chose that particular venue for her because when she wins she can talk about breaking "the highest hardest glass ceiling". Wow, in all seriousness, this must be crushing beyond all sanity... As one human being to another I wish her the best, but I ain't crying, bitch is worth 100 million dollars. Let me sulk in my Malibu mansion overlooking the Pacific eating Kobe beef and drinking Don Perignon.

[Gelston]

At least they decided against buying the fireworks.

[macgyver]

Someone on CNN said that they had heard that she could not handle the fact that she had lost, that she was too emotional, and all I could think was, and she wanted to lead the free world, really, she is that weak?

Meanwhile in the rust belt a single mom is wondering "how the fuck do I feed my kids today." Justice was served last night. I want to see a woman President, weak strong emotional whatever something with a vagina... just not her, sorry.

[Warriorbird]

If he could get only 1 thing in 10 done on his Contract, his Presidency would still be a HUGE success. For me 1st and foremost is Term limits then we have to get a handle on immigration We are the Beacon on the Hill because we are a nation of laws, but when it comes to immigration we are not a nation of laws.

A lot of the businesses that you take for granted (and donate to the Republican Party) rely on that labor. As for your former job? We should have different drug laws... which is not his priority.

[kutter]

A lot of the businesses that you take for granted (and donate to the Republican Party) rely on that labor. As for your former job? We should have different drug laws... which is not his priority.

A lot of business? Perhaps some multinational conglomerate does, but I have never hired anyone that is here illegally to perform work for me, never been to Home Depot to pick up people and as for my former job, I have been a federal LEO for all of my adult life, a HUGE part of my job is geared towards stopping illegal immigration. It is time to get a handle on it. Will that have an impact, probably, but we need to take that bite of that shit sandwich right now, while we still can and before the United States as we know it is gone.

[kutter]

Meanwhile in the rust belt a single mom is wondering "how the fuck do I feed my kids today." Justice was served last night. I want to see a woman President, weak strong emotional whatever something with a vagina... just not her, sorry.

I have no issue with a female President, hell I would run to the polls to vote for Condoleezza Rice, my point was, if you want to lead the free world, you cannot wither amidst an election defeat. I suppose it is a good thing she will never get that wake-up call at 3AM.

[Parkbandit]

A lot of the businesses that you take for granted (and donate to the Republican Party) rely on that labor. As for your former job? We should have different drug laws... which is not his priority.

Wait.. what businesses rely on illegal immigrant labor?

Because, if they do, they should be shut the fuck down. I'm surprised you are ok with businesses hiring people off the books and paying them slave labor rates.

[Jhynnifer]

I'm curious why her concession speech is already and hour late.

[Parkbandit]

I'm curious why her concession speech is already and hour late.

She's trying to figure out how she can still steal it back... and still so shaken she probably has been bed ridden all night.

And people were worried and fretted so hard about Trump accepting the results...

[Parkbandit]

LOL Brian Fallon looks like he's been crying all night.

DELICIOUS!

[Gelston]

I'm curious why her concession speech is already and hour late.

She is probably very emotional right now. That is the supposed reason she didn't speak last night.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Wait.. what businesses rely on illegal immigrant labor?

Because, if they do, they should be shut the fuck down. I'm surprised you are ok with businesses hiring people off the books and paying them slave labor rates.

I've seen reports that suggest something like 70% of the produce in America is harvested by illegal aliens. This is an industry that has already driven out the majority of Mom and Pops, so going after them would be a pretty big deal. I'm all for it myself, as I believe illegals need to either get legal, or get the fuck out - but it would have a very big impact on the industry from all our fruits/vegs to wine, beer, breads, etc.

[Jhynnifer]

She's trying to figure out how she can still steal it back... and still so shaken she probably has been bed ridden all night.

And people were worried and fretted so hard about Trump accepting the results...

Well given that by 10am yesterday he was already complaining about polling booths switching from republican votes to democrat votes automatically... it's understandable.

[Parkbandit]

DL Hughley is blaming racist white people.

:lol:

[RichardCranium]

I've seen reports that suggest something like 70% of the produce in America is harvested by illegal aliens. This is an industry that has already driven out the majority of Mom and Pops, so going after them would be a pretty big deal. I'm all for it myself, as I believe illegals need to either get legal, or get the fuck out - but it would have a very big impact on the industry from all our fruits/vegs to wine, beer, breads, etc.

I've seen with my own eyes illegals picking strawberries for a whopping twenty-five cents a flat.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'd love to sit down sometime and have an actual adult conversation about why people think this is a good thing. I really can't see it. That being said, having watched every conversation on it devolve into insults, I'm probably not going to find it on the PC. ;)

I can't speak for PB, but the reason I think it's a good thing is because of several things.
First, to my core I believe Hillary is as insidiously corrupt a politician with no moral compass can be. I truly believe she would sell her daughter if she could get more power or illicit money from it.
Second, I believe both parties need a revolution - Trump, hate him or don't, has changed the Republican party forever and has the potential to do significant good for the country and the part. The democrats need their own revolutionary candidate, as Obama was not the one.
Finally, with majorities in his favor, the country may actually see things done by our government over the next two years (granted, they'll probably suck because lets face it, their politicians). At least we have the potential to see things done though.

[Parkbandit]

I've seen reports that suggest something like 70% of the produce in America is harvested by illegal aliens. This is an industry that has already driven out the majority of Mom and Pops, so going after them would be a pretty big deal. I'm all for it myself, as I believe illegals need to either get legal, or get the fuck out - but it would have a very big impact on the industry from all our fruits/vegs to wine, beer, breads, etc.

We have policies in place for them to be legally here to work where they can be protected by the law of the land and not have to be victimized by anyone. Enforce those laws. If we need to increase the number of workers we bring in, then do it via the system.

A company should never have an excuse to take advantage of people here illegally.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I've seen with my own eyes illegals picking strawberries for a whopping twenty-five cents a flat.

Yeah and people actually have the gall to say they are "taking our jobs". Not a fan of min. wage, but I am a fan of honest wages for honest work - that needs to get addressed.

[Parkbandit]

I've seen with my own eyes illegals picking strawberries for a whopping twenty-five cents a flat.

And if you are not outraged by that, you should be.

[Kembal]

Stayed up until 1 am last night watching.

Not much to do but wait and see how it goes.

The fault lies at the Clinton campaign. They didn't defend Wisconsin at all, nor did they do much in Michigan. I know they were doing massive GOTV in PA, so that really is a loss.

[kutter]

Clinton's speech being an hour late is just one last FUCK YOU to people by the Clinton's, she knows that it is all over, so she is working to keep the light on her till the last possible second.

I predict that Trump is conciliatory to her, and does not go after her. I suspect that what will happen behind the scenes is someone will tell them, clean your shit up, the foundation needs to be an open book, the e-mail thing will go away, and you will fade into the background, if not, then all bets are off and DOJ will come after everything; and she will do it, it is all she has left.

[Kembal]

We have policies in place for them to be legally here to work where they can be protected by the law of the land and not have to be victimized by anyone. Enforce those laws. If we need to increase the number of workers we bring in, then do it via the system.

A company should never have an excuse to take advantage of people here illegally.

Agree with that, but it does also require people moving to take those jobs. That hasn't happened in a long time.

It's not practically possible to deport 11 million people, so who knows what the hell is going to happen.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

We have policies in place for them to be legally here to work where they can be protected by the law of the land and not have to be victimized by anyone. Enforce those laws. If we need to increase the number of workers we bring in, then do it via the system.

A company should never have an excuse to take advantage of people here illegally.

I agree. The laws are lopsided though - sure you can legally immigrate to the US, but according to the government, on average it takes 7 years for lawful permanent residents (green-card holder) to naturalize. As of 2014, there were 13.3M of them, and 8.8M were eligible to naturalize. These are the people following the laws... 7 years seems like a long time to me.

[Parkbandit]

Agree with that, but it does also require people moving to take those jobs. That hasn't happened in a long time.

We have a work visa program. We have ways of bringing people into this country to do these jobs.. use those mechanisms instead of victimizing illegals.


It's not practically possible to deport 11 million people, so who knows what the hell is going to happen.

100% agree. There needs to be a way to OMG AMNESTY!!! them into the population, but the penalties should be stiff for breaking the law to begin with.

And build the wall to slow down people from being smuggled into this country and putting out the slavery business out of business.

[Parkbandit]

All those salty tears at the Clinton speech...

DELICIOUS

[~Rocktar~]

Agree with that, but it does also require people moving to take those jobs. That hasn't happened in a long time.

It's not practically possible to deport 11 million people, so who knows what the hell is going to happen.

You can make it so uncomfortable that they deport themselves. Stop sanctuary cities, enforce the labor laws, stop the flow of cash going out of the US and go after employers that hire them.

[Kembal]

We have a work visa program. We have ways of bringing people into this country to do these jobs.. use those mechanisms instead of victimizing illegals.

Will a reform of that nature pass though? Expansion of low-skill work visas is the way around this, but the quota needs to be enlarged by Congress. That was all in the CIR package that failed previously. Does it suddenly pass now that Trump is going to be President? Not seeing it, but maybe I'm reading this wrong.


100% agree. There needs to be a way to OMG AMNESTY!!! them into the population, but the penalties should be stiff for breaking the law to begin with.

And build the wall to slow down people from being smuggled into this country and putting out the slavery business out of business.

What kind of penalties are you thinking?

[Geijon Khyree]

That is the big scary problem. A party has full control of the executive branch. They can do any crazy idea they want and push it down on us.

You dont need bipartisan support or the party of no. You have bush era coincidences and a similar idea to cut taxes. When you have full executive power majority you have to be restrained and i dont see either party with this position not just blasting through their equity immediately.

Repeal the affordable care act? Likely. 20 million uninsured. Good for some, bad for others, a regression without a true replacement.

Cut taxes on the wealthy? We already did. Lets double it! Great recession 2.0?

Roe v. Wade. Gone?

Patriot act 2.0? Drones over America? Who knows.

This is why the other half of America is scared. The Republican half seemed angry.

I hope they can deliver, but this feels like Bush all over again right down to the stunner of a defeat.

[Kembal]

You can make it so uncomfortable that they deport themselves. Stop sanctuary cities, enforce the labor laws, stop the flow of cash going out of the US and go after employers that hire them.

Self-deportation? It was a laughable concept then when Romney proposed it, and it's a laughable concept now.

And how exactly do you plan to stop remittances? Are you saying legal residents would be prevented from sending cash to overseas residents as well?

[loxe]

Wait a minute...I just wanted to make sure that Steve Harvey wasn't the one who declared Trump the winner???

[kutter]

Self-deportation? It was a laughable concept then when Romney proposed it, and it's a laughable concept now.

And how exactly do you plan to stop remittances? Are you saying legal residents would be prevented from sending cash to overseas residents as well?

Actually not that hard if they use a legal means to do so such as Western Union, make them have some sort of ID to prove they are here legally and to send money and if you are sending it to Mexico, Central or South America, then charge a fee to do so. Pretty simple actually. The one thing it cannot capture is when they use the means that is more common in the Middle East where they give money to someone here in the US and someone there gives money to the person it is being sent to.

[Kembal]

Actually not that hard if they use a legal means to do so such as Western Union, make them have some sort of ID to prove they are here legally and to send money and if you are sending it to Mexico, Central or South America, then charge a fee to do so. Pretty simple actually. The one thing it cannot capture is when they use the means that is more common in the Middle East where they give money to someone here in the US and someone there gives money to the person it is being sent to.

What ID do you propose for an American citizen without a passport or other ID issued by the federal government?

[RichardCranium]

What ID do you propose for an American citizen without a passport or other ID issued by the federal government?

Branding.

[Jhynnifer]

Branding.

Or we could use these crystals that change color as you age, imbed them in people's hands and when they turn red, you die in a glorious naked orgy in the air.

[Neveragain]

Or we could use these crystals that change color as you age, imbed them in people's hands and when they turn red, you die in a glorious naked orgy in the air.

I knew someone would get my Logan's Run reference, why am I not surprised it was Jhynnifer that grasped the message?

[Parkbandit]

That is the big scary problem. A party has full control of the executive branch. They can do any crazy idea they want and push it down on us.

You dont need bipartisan support or the party of no. You have bush era coincidences and a similar idea to cut taxes. When you have full executive power majority you have to be restrained and i dont see either party with this position not just blasting through their equity immediately.

Repeal the affordable care act? Likely. 20 million uninsured. Good for some, bad for others, a regression without a true replacement.

Cut taxes on the wealthy? We already did. Lets double it! Great recession 2.0?

Roe v. Wade. Gone?

Patriot act 2.0? Drones over America? Who knows.

This is why the other half of America is scared. The Republican half seemed angry.

I hope they can deliver, but this feels like Bush all over again right down to the stunner of a defeat.

Crawl back under your bed, cupcake. You're so scared!

:lol:

Did you survive Bush?

You sound exactly like my crazy sister.

Like exactly.

[kutter]

What ID do you propose for an American citizen without a passport or other ID issued by the federal government?

I propose that people get a government issued ID, it is not that hard, I have 4 of them. They need to be inexpensive to get, a few dollars, but you should have to provide some sort of official documentation that is verifiable from your country of origin and documentation from the US Government saying you are here legally, you know, all the things THAT ARE CURRENT LAW RIGHT NOW!

[Kembal]

I propose that people get a government issued ID, it is not that hard, I have 4 of them. They need to be inexpensive to get, a few dollars, but you should have to provide some sort of official documentation that is verifiable from your country of origin and documentation from the US Government saying you are here legally, you know, all the things THAT ARE CURRENT LAW RIGHT NOW!

So you're literally proposing a new bureaucracy to issue new federal IDs for people who don't need any other form of federal ID, because right now their proof of citizenship is a birth certificate. And since you're saying it needs to be inexpensive, that means a whole lot of federal spending to keep it operational.

And of course, once such bureaucracy has been established, you can now require the ID it issues for everything.

Explain to me how that's a conservative position again?

[kutter]

So you're literally proposing a new bureaucracy to issue new federal IDs for people who don't need any other form of federal ID, because right now their proof of citizenship is a birth certificate. And since you're saying it needs to be inexpensive, that means a whole lot of federal spending to keep it operational.

And of course, once such bureaucracy has been established, you can now require the ID it issues for everything.

Explain to me how that's a conservative position again?

Where did I say anything about a new bureaucracy? I must have missed that I wrote that, let me look back.,,,,,

Nope, never said that, every state issues ID's, there is a process to obtain one, have you gotten a State Issued ID since the new requirements by DHS were put into place? If not you must not drive much, at least legally since it has been in effect since 2005.

Here, let me make it easier for you: https://www.dhs.gov/real-id-public-faqs

If you can obtain an ID that meets those requirements then you have a legal status in the US.

[Fallen]

This thread is bringing me lols: http://theslot.jezebel.com/fuck-gary-johnson-1788736643

[Gelston]

Shit, I have 6 forms of Government ID.

[Kembal]

Where did I say anything about a new bureaucracy? I must have missed that I wrote that, let me look back.,,,,,

Nope, never said that, every state issues ID's, there is a process to obtain one, have you gotten a State Issued ID since the new requirements by DHS were put into place? If not you must not drive much, at least legally since it has been in effect since 2005.

Here, let me make it easier for you: https://www.dhs.gov/real-id-public-faqs

If you can obtain an ID that meets those requirements then you have a legal status in the US.

a) you said this: "documentation from the US Government saying you are here legally" - that usually doesn't mean state governments. It means federal. Hence my interpretation of what you said.

b) there are a whole lot of states that are not yet compliant with the requirements of Real ID. https://www.dhs.gov/current-status-states-territories

I mean, maybe states will do it soon and it's not an issue, but it seems to me it's hard to trust a state legislature to get its act together to pass the funds needed for the change. And of course, how do all these money transfer outlets verify the DL/state ID are real? Equip them with scanners? Who pays? Are the scanners able to read all states and territories' DLs/IDs?

[Gelston]

a) you said this: "documentation from the US Government saying you are here legally" - that usually doesn't mean state governments. It means federal. Hence my interpretation of what you said.

b) there are a whole lot of states that are not yet compliant with the requirements of Real ID. https://www.dhs.gov/current-status-states-territories

I mean, maybe states will do it soon and it's not an issue, but it seems to me it's hard to trust a state legislature to get its act together to pass the funds needed for the change. And of course, how do all these money transfer outlets verify the DL/state ID are real? Equip them with scanners? Who pays? Are the scanners able to read all states and territories' DLs/IDs?

There are two forms of US passport that you can very, very easily get from your post office. The infrastructure already exists.

[Parkbandit]

This thread is bringing me lols: http://theslot.jezebel.com/fuck-gary-johnson-1788736643

I don't understand the liberal logic that if Johnson wasn't in the race, ALL of these people would have voted for Hillary. Someone was saying that on MSNBC last night and it still makes zero sense.

[Gelston]

I don't understand the liberal logic that if Johnson wasn't in the race, ALL of these people would have voted for Hillary. Someone was saying that on MSNBC last night and it still makes zero sense.

I'm pretty sure the majority of the people who went for Johnson would have gone for Trump over Hillary. Jill Stein swiped some votes from Hillary, but I think if anyone, Johnson took them from Trump.

[Archigeek]

I don't understand the liberal logic that if Johnson wasn't in the race, ALL of these people would have voted for Hillary. Someone was saying that on MSNBC last night and it still makes zero sense.

Don't try to understand it, it isn't plausible. And since Jill Stein won fewer votes, I think the third party candidates were a statistically insignificant net loss for Trump.

The biggest take away and only real mandate in this election, (which I said before), is that Americans are tired of business as usual in Washington and want change. They want results. It's easy to forget that the Dems were only 3% points from having an outsider candidate as well. It will be interesting to see what the response is. The real difficulty is that a lot of people who want change aren't really sure what they want, they just know what they don't want, while an even bigger issue is that the ideals are piling up to the far right and the far left, with little viable middle ground. Guess we'll all see what happens.

[time4fun]

I'm pretty sure the majority of the people who went for Johnson would have gone for Trump over Hillary. Jill Stein swiped some votes from Hillary, but I think if anyone, Johnson took them from Trump.

Odds are those people would simply have elected to stay home.

There were enough Jill Stein votes, on the other hand, to stop Trump in WI and MI. Those people who threw their votes away on a candidate they KNEW couldn't be elected should be ashamed of themselves.

[Gelston]

Odds are those people would simply have elected to stay home.

There were enough Jill Stein votes, on the other hand, to stop Trump in WI and MI. Those people who threw their votes away on a candidate they KNEW couldn't be elected should be ashamed of themselves.

What? No they shouldn't. They voted for the candidate THEY wanted. What kind of logic is that? That isn't democracy at all.

Yes, they should be ASHAMED of themselves because they didn't vote how YOU wanted.

[Wrathbringer]

Odds are those people would simply have elected to stay home.

There were enough Jill Stein votes, on the other hand, to stop Trump in WI and MI. Those people who threw their votes away on a candidate they KNEW couldn't be elected should be ashamed of themselves.

hahaha yes thank you for your tears. In fact it is you who threw your vote away on someone who shouldn't ever be elected president. You lost. Get some.

[RichardCranium]

Odds are those people would simply have elected to stay home.

There were enough Jill Stein votes, on the other hand, to stop Trump in WI and MI. Those people who threw their votes away on a candidate they KNEW couldn't be elected should be ashamed of themselves.

There it is.

[time4fun]

What? No they shouldn't. They voted for the candidate THEY wanted. What kind of logic is that? That isn't democracy at all.

Yes, they should be ASHAMED of themselves because they didn't vote how YOU wanted.

No. This is about electing a President. Show your support in pre-election polls, rally/post/protest for your candidate beforehand, but the second you are faced with a choice between the two candidates who CAN win and those that have no chance, you need to treat your decision as it actually is- Candidate 1 or Candidate 2. It's not the time to play make believe and pretend like your choices at that point are anything other than what they are. Your principles are not more important than the lived experiences of other people. This holds true for Johnson supporters and for Stein supporters.

In my lifetime, twice now a bunch of overly privileged progressives have handed the Country over to everything they hate just so they could "make a point". If you believe in your principles, then you do what it takes to make them happen. To be blunt, you're hurting third party candidates if you do otherwise. It'll be a long time before the Green party can show its face again- just like last time it helped get a Republican into office without winning the popular vote.

And we all saw how that ended.

[Gelston]

No. This is about electing a President. Show your support in pre-election polls, rally/post/protest for your candidate beforehand, but the second you are faced with a choice between the two candidates who CAN win and those that have no chance, you need to treat your decision as it actually is- Candidate 1 or Candidate 2. It's not the time to play make believe and pretend like your choices at that point are anything other than what they are. Your principles are not more important than the lived experiences of other people. This holds true for Johnson supporters and for Stein supporters.

In my lifetime, twice now a bunch of overly privileged progressives have handed the Country over to everything they hate just so they could "make a point". If you believe in your principles, then you do what it takes to make them happen. To be blunt, you're hurting third party candidates if you do otherwise. It'll be a long time before the Green party can show its face again- just like last time it helped get a Republican into office without winning the popular vote.

And we all saw how that ended.

This election is about your freedom to vote for who you choose to vote for.

[time4fun]

This election is about your freedom to vote for who you choose to vote for.

It's about the decisions that are made in this country that affect hundreds of millions of people.

I have a lot more respect for the people who voted directly for Trump than the people who voted for Jill Stein. At least the Trump supporters were being true to their vision. Stein supporters did the exact opposite of that, and they did the Green party no favors.

[Viekn]

It's easy to forget that the Dems were only 3% points from having an outsider candidate as well.

If the Dems ran their primary system the same way as republicans, I'm fairly sure Bernie would have been in there and it would have been an entirely different presidential race all together. If the Dems wanted even a remote chance of retaining the white house, they should have read the writing on the wall and done away with their very undemocratic superdelegate system. That in and of itself almost ensures a typical Washington politician is going to get the nomination and they should have known that even most Democrats are tired of that.

[RichardCranium]

It's about the decisions that are made in this country that affect hundreds of millions of people.

I have a lot more respect for the people who voted directly for Trump than the people who voted for Jill Stein. At least the Trump supporters were being true to their vision. Stein supporters did the exact opposite of that, and they did the Green party no favors.

Fuck your respect. I'll vote for whomever I most closely align my beliefs with, third party or not.

[Wrathbringer]

It's about the decisions that are made in this country that affect hundreds of millions of people.

I have a lot more respect for the people who voted directly for Trump than the people who voted for Jill Stein. At least the Trump supporters were being true to their vision. Stein supporters did the exact opposite of that, and they did the Green party no favors.

sorry, but you're off the rails retarded right now

[Gelston]

It's about the decisions that are made in this country that affect hundreds of millions of people.

I have a lot more respect for the people who voted directly for Trump than the people who voted for Jill Stein. At least the Trump supporters were being true to their vision. Stein supporters did the exact opposite of that, and they did the Green party no favors.

Um, maybe they were being true to their vision? Maybe they wanted Jill Stein? Maybe they wanted the Green Party to hit that magical 5% for federal election funding? Again, it is THEIR choice who to vote for. They have this freedom. People in our history have died to safeguard this right. Who the hell are you to tell them, or anyone else, they should be ashamed for who they did or didn't vote for.

[kutter]

a) you said this: "documentation from the US Government saying you are here legally" - that usually doesn't mean state governments. It means federal. Hence my interpretation of what you said.

b) there are a whole lot of states that are not yet compliant with the requirements of Real ID. https://www.dhs.gov/current-status-states-territories

I mean, maybe states will do it soon and it's not an issue, but it seems to me it's hard to trust a state legislature to get its act together to pass the funds needed for the change. And of course, how do all these money transfer outlets verify the DL/state ID are real? Equip them with scanners? Who pays? Are the scanners able to read all states and territories' DLs/IDs?

The US Government issues paperwork to someone that is here legally that will be necessary to obtain a DHS compliant ID card. If you live in a state that does not have DHS compliant ID, then move, you already moved from another country, what matters another state. I know this seems harsh, but we are a sovereign nation, it is not our responsibility to make it ridiculously easy for people to immigrate.

As for the ID's themselves, if you have one you can look at it and it will have indicators and a watermark on it that shows it is DHS compliant.

[Archigeek]

Clinton lost this all on her own and has no one to blame but herself. Blaming the Green Party or Libertarian Party is preposterous.

The people have spoken, and they want something completely different than politics as usual. Clinton represented that politics as usual. It will be tough for him to deliver, but we'll see what happens.

[time4fun]

Um, maybe they were being true to their vision? Maybe they wanted Jill Stein? Maybe they wanted the Green Party to hit that magical 5% for federal election funding? Again, it is THEIR choice who to vote for. They have this freedom. People in our history have died to safeguard this right. Who the hell are you to tell them, or anyone else, they should be ashamed for who they did or didn't vote for.

If the consequence of their vote was getting Trump elected with control over the Legislative Branch and incredible power over the Judicial branch while bringing down liberal wrath on third party candidates- then they have accomplished the opposite of their vision.

They indulged in their fantasy, and the rest of us are paying for it. You can justify that on principle all you would like, but that is the lived reality.

[Gelston]

If the consequence of their vote was getting Trump elected with control over the Legislative Branch and incredible power over the Judicial branch while bringing down liberal wrath on third party candidates- then they have accomplished the opposite of their vision.

They indulged in their fantasy, and the rest of us are paying for it. You can justify that on principle all you would like, but that is the lived reality.

The best candidate won. Perhaps the DNC should have selected a better candidate. Third parties aren't new... how did Obama pull it off for two elections?

[Vorpos]

That is the big scary problem. A party has full control of the executive branch. They can do any crazy idea they want and push it down on us.

You dont need bipartisan support or the party of no. You have bush era coincidences and a similar idea to cut taxes. When you have full executive power majority you have to be restrained and i dont see either party with this position not just blasting through their equity immediately.

Repeal the affordable care act? Likely. 20 million uninsured. Good for some, bad for others, a regression without a true replacement.

Cut taxes on the wealthy? We already did. Lets double it! Great recession 2.0?

Roe v. Wade. Gone?

Patriot act 2.0? Drones over America? Who knows.

This is why the other half of America is scared. The Republican half seemed angry.

I hope they can deliver, but this feels like Bush all over again right down to the stunner of a defeat.


Wait until Trump uses the IRS as a weapon just like Obama. That's gonna be the icing on the cake.

[Wrathbringer]

If the consequence of their vote was getting Trump elected with control over the Legislative Branch and incredible power over the Judicial branch while bringing down liberal wrath on third party candidates- then they have accomplished the opposite of their vision.

They indulged in their fantasy, and the rest of us are paying for it. You can justify that on principle all you would like, but that is the lived reality.

gotta have someone to blame, don't you? tears so sweet

[Androidpk]

Second, I believe both parties need a revolution - Trump, hate him or don't, has changed the Republican party forever and has the potential to do significant good for the country and the part. The democrats need their own revolutionary candidate, as Obama was not the one.

The Democrats had Bernie Sanders. It's unfortunate they felt the need to rig the system and cheat him out of winning the nomination.

[Androidpk]

Those people who threw their votes away on a candidate they KNEW couldn't be elected should be ashamed of themselves.

Fuck off with that undemocratic bullshit. You should be ashamed for trying to push a criminal family back into the White House instead of into a prison where they belong.

[Androidpk]

Clinton lost this all on her own and has no one to blame but herself. Blaming the Green Party or Libertarian Party is preposterous.

The people have spoken, and they want something completely different than politics as usual. Clinton represented that politics as usual. It will be tough for him to deliver, but we'll see what happens.

A populist/anti-establishment election and they thought Clinton had a chance.. :lol2:

[Tisket]

Um, maybe they were being true to their vision? Maybe they wanted Jill Stein? Maybe they wanted the Green Party to hit that magical 5% for federal election funding? Again, it is THEIR choice who to vote for. They have this freedom. People in our history have died to safeguard this right. Who the hell are you to tell them, or anyone else, they should be ashamed for who they did or didn't vote for.

I voted third party. It pleases me enormously that this is a cause of tears for time4fun. Stop trying to ruin my good time, Gelly.

[Gelston]

I voted third party. It pleases me enormously that this is a cause of tears for time4fun. Stop trying to ruin my good time, Gelly.

Oh, don't worry, this woman bathed in the kool-aide.. I don't think I have a chance of changing her mind.

[Back]

A populist/anti-establishment election and they thought Clinton had a chance.. :lol2:

You comment makes zero sense considering Clinton appears to be winning the popular vote?

[Androidpk]

You comment makes zero sense considering Clinton appears to be winning the popular vote?

Only because California is filled with douche bags with zero self awareness.

[Gelston]

Only because California is filled with douche bags with zero self awareness.

zero. self. awareness.

[Tgo01]

If the consequence of their vote was getting Trump elected with control over the Legislative Branch and incredible power over the Judicial branch while bringing down liberal wrath on third party candidates- then they have accomplished the opposite of their vision.

Just like in 2000 the Democrats have convinced themselves that if only people didn't vote third party they would have instead voted for the Democrat and the Democrat would have won.

Funny, you never hear Democrats or Republicans bitch about Ross Perot, and he actually got a quite sizeable portion of the popular vote in 1992. Oh but let me guess, all of those Rose Perot votes would have went to Clinton anyways, right?

[Gelston]

Just like in 2000 the Democrats have convinced themselves that if only people didn't vote third party they would have instead voted for the Democrat and the Democrat would have won.

Funny, you never hear Democrats or Republicans bitch about Ross Perot, and he actually got a quite sizeable portion of the popular vote in 1992. Oh but let me guess, all of those Rose Perot votes would have went to Clinton anyways, right?

It is dumb to even try to blame third parties. They have always existed and sniped votes. Guess what, Democrats have still managed to get elected in the past. They should instead realize they put up an unelectable candidate.

[Androidpk]

http://i.imgur.com/MkCoFMx.jpg