#winning

[Suppressed Poet]

And you have a bad habit of misstating my positions based on who you think I am without actually knowing me or actually reading my posts.

The baseline needs to come up to include health and education for everyone. And not at the expense of every American just the few at the top who've been rigging the system in their favor for decades. Just the ones who are hoarding everything for themselves, so much they couldn't even possibly spend it all in their lifetime, so much that they're building fucking rocket ships and sending themselves into space.

If the rich don't want to participate in this country and the way it works and the culture that it brings then they don't have to they can go somewhere else.

It's all hypothetical anyway. Nothing's going to change overnight. Nothing's going to be perfect. It's a process that we need to work through to make everything better for everyone.

I’ll be the first to say that we have a flawed healthcare system that needs to be reformed, but do you think Canada or the UK (I’m intentionally picking highly developed western countries) have better healthcare than the U.S.?

State funded (don’t call it free because it isn’t) healthcare generally sucks. You have long wait times to see a specialist. The quality of care between private and public is substantially different. Public healthcare eliminates choice. You have to see the doctor the government tells you to see. With public healthcare, the government is literally incentivized to let the elderly die who are the biggest cost burden on the system.

Do you think VA hospitals in America are the model for the perfect healthcare system? @Gelston you are a vet, tell us your experience with VA care.

[Methais]

Who is you guys?

There was a pandemic for fuck sake. It took a lot of socialism to make sure society didn't collapse. I think we should all be grateful for that.

You consistently mistate my stance so you can repeat the same tired excuses for capitulating to the rules of the ultra wealthy. For the millionth time it's the imbalance of wealth in the system that I think needs correction. The billionaires are just doing what billionaires do in a broken system.

Wouldn't you rather make more money, have free health care, free education, more free time for yourself, and a generally better quality of life? I promise you it could be done without hurting the wealthy at all.

Because that's stupid. We already have socialism in this country and I think we can make it better. Even for you Mr Sandy crotch.

Oh I get it, you're a Mamdani voter. Because of course you are.

So you're saying that in this country the poorest have it better than any other country. And this is something to be proud of? That's exactly what I'm saying. Giving our fellow Americans a better quality of life than just dying in the street alone. That's something to be proud of. I'm saying we need to do more. And I'm not saying we need to eliminate the possibility of someone rising to the top through hard work and innovation. Just that the baseline needs to come up.

There should be a cap on wealth that would only be raised if everyone in the country had a secure nutrition, housing, education, and healthcare. Once we all have that then individuals can earn as much as they want.

How much more % of your own income are you willing to have taxed? You said "we can help make it better" so I assume that "we" means you yourself are looking to pay more in taxes to help too. Right?

And what should the wealth cap be? What number?

[Parkbandit]

I've never said my life is shit, bro. That's your made up image of me.

Part of what I'm saying is is we need to level out the wealth distribution. Currently there is too much welfare for the wealthy in this socialist country. We want to take money from the poor and middle class and give breaks to the people who need them the least. What needs to happen is profits need to be shared with the workers in a more equal distribution so that everyone's quality of life improves.

You seem to not think that's a good idea. You seem to think we need to take money from the poor and give it to the rich. We disagree on that.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Profits aren’t ‘owed’ to workers beyond what they agreed to earn. If you want more, work harder or learn skills that command a higher wage. Forcing businesses to ‘share’ profits sounds nice, but it destroys incentives, kills growth, and ends with everyone poorer.

And spare me the ‘welfare for the wealthy’ regurgitated tagline. The rich already pay almost all the income taxes in this country. If you think taking more from job creators will magically help the poor, you’ve learned nothing from every failed socialist experiment in history.

[Parkbandit]

Who is you guys?

There was a pandemic for fuck sake. It took a lot of socialism to make sure society didn't collapse. I think we should all be grateful for that.

You consistently mistate my stance so you can repeat the same tired excuses for capitulating to the rules of the ultra wealthy. For the millionth time it's the imbalance of wealth in the system that I think needs correction. The billionaires are just doing what billionaires do in a broken system.

Wouldn't you rather make more money, have free health care, free education, more free time for yourself, and a generally better quality of life? I promise you it could be done without hurting the wealthy at all.

Backlash, you keep parroting fantasies. Free everything isn’t free… someone pays, and it’s always taxpayers and businesses who drive the economy. You think you can shower everyone with government goodies without ‘hurting the wealthy’? Newsflash: the money for your utopia has to come from somewhere… and when you punish success, investment dries up, jobs vanish, and everyone suffers. I’m beginning to believe you would be happiest if everyone was as miserable as you.

[Parkbandit]

So you're saying that in this country the poorest have it better than any other country. And this is something to be proud of? That's exactly what I'm saying. Giving our fellow Americans a better quality of life than just dying in the street alone. That's something to be proud of. I'm saying we need to do more. And I'm not saying we need to eliminate the possibility of someone rising to the top through hard work and innovation. Just that the baseline needs to come up.

There should be a cap on wealth that would only be raised if everyone in the country had a secure nutrition, housing, education, and healthcare. Once we all have that then individuals can earn as much as they want.

I'm not sure if it's your naivete, your lack of intelligence or your spoon fed meals of MSNBC that makes you so fucking stupid.

[Parkbandit]

Let’s just take Cuba for the sake of simplicity. Cuba has state-funded healthcare for all citizens, state-funded higher education for all citizens, food subsidies, and guaranteed basic income for all citizens.

Wonderful, isn’t it? Man those Cubans sure are living the good life!

Back there is just one thing that doesn’t quite make sense to me that I’m hoping you can help me with... If socialism and communism is so great, how come every year thousands of Cubans are risking their lives to seek asylum in America on little dinghy boats? I mean they got “free” healthcare, food, housing, higher education, and universal basic income over there. Do they not know how good they have it?

Notice how people don't flee capitalist countries in makeshift boats.. to get to socialist countries?

Weird.

[Suppressed Poet]

Notice how people don't flee capitalist countries in makeshift boats.. to get to socialist countries?

Weird.

Right?

Back really should spend a little time in a communist country where border security prioritizes keeping their own people from leaving over keeping foreign invaders from entering.

We should create a self-deportation program but for American citizens that despise our country & our values. Hate America? Can’t stand living here anymore since Trump won the election? Sign here to permanently renounce your citizenship and we’ll give you a one way travel to any country that will accept you + $1,000 as a farewell gift.

[Parkbandit]

Right?

Back really should spend a little time in a communist country where border security prioritizes keeping their own people from leaving over keeping foreign invaders from entering.

We should create a self-deportation program but for American citizens that despise our country & our values. Hate America? Can’t stand living here anymore since Trump won the election? Sign here to permanently renounce your citizenship and we’ll give you a one way travel to any country that will accept you + $1,000 as a farewell gift.

100%

Also a clause that says "No take backs"

Call it the "Government Tailored Freedom of Outmigration" Program. GTFO for short.

[Parkbandit]

Just to make sure we never forget the stupidity that is our retard champion.. I give you two quotes, a mere 90 minutes apart:

"I'm not bothered if anyone actually aspires to be on welfare" 10:19am

"I thought we agreed that welfare was something people would not aspire to" 11:46am

This is how we know you are retarded.. and copy/paste shit from your favorite leftist sites.

You have zero principles, just talking points others came up with.

[~Rocktar~]

Right?

Back really should spend a little time in a communist country where border security prioritizes keeping their own people from leaving over keeping foreign invaders from entering.

We should create a self-deportation program but for American citizens that despise our country & our values. Hate America? Can’t stand living here anymore since Trump won the election? Sign here to permanently renounce your citizenship and we’ll give you a one way travel to any country that will accept you + $1,000 as a farewell gift.

In before Back says "I can't because that's not real communism."

Also, I think we can do better than that, how about we up it to $2500 since it will so greatly impact American in a positive way to have these people taken off the voter rolls and leave permanently.

100%

Also a clause that says "No take backs"

Call it the "Government Tailored Freedom of Outmigration" Program. GTFO for short.

I LOVE IT! Make it so number one.