Terrorists break into US Capitol Building

[~Rocktar~]

Yeah, this also happened on Jan 6, to an unarmed woman.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...pitol/2535527/

Go to 1:36 or so to watch the coward police officer with a history of violence shoot an unarmed, non-violent protester to death. If she had been black, you would have been burning your town down over it.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, this also happened on Jan 6, to an unarmed woman.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...pitol/2535527/

Go to 1:36 or so to watch the coward police officer with a history of violence shoot an unarmed, non-violent protester to death. If she had been black, you would have been burning your town down over it.

She would have been called an Uncle Tom.

She needs to be black AND Democrat for people like Backlash to be told they should be upset with her death.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Everyone defending her... I disagree. She was breaking windows to enter a sealed chamber of congress with armed guards threatening her. I don't care if she was backing away when she got smoked. FAFO.

[Suppressed Poet]

Everyone defending her... I disagree. She was breaking windows to enter a sealed chamber of congress with armed guards threatening her. I don't care if she was backing away when she got smoked. FAFO.

You beat me to it.

I can’t get the video to load, but as I recall she was beating down the door and the officer was protecting people behind it. I’m not a back the blue no matter who type guy, but they have to make a split second decision. The standard for self defense is would a reasonable person believe that they or others around them are in imminent danger of serious bodily harm or death. Based on what I know, I understand why the officer fired shots in this situation & believe that action was justified.

I think it’s important we put logic & equal standards in front of tribalism.

[Back]

Ice cream being cold is subjective. If it melts in the summer sun before you eat it, you might say it’s not cold. Cold is also relative. As a Texan I consider temperatures in the 50s cold, where as an Alaskan may find that warm. We can scientifically verify the temperature of ice cream served and say it’s X degrees and therefore frozen. That is fact. See the difference?

What is fact is that Trump was never convicted of any crimes related to January 6th nor can you seem to articulate any tangible evidence that he committed a crime. Your feelings are clouding your judgement.

I meant to respond to this a while ago. Nice try but your little run around word game doesn't mean all truth is subjective. I think you know this... you're just trying to defend the January 6th insurrection.

Donald J Trump was indicted for inciting an insurrection in a bipartisan vote by the House whose representatives who enact the will of the people. That is all the proof you need. There's your arrest.

It never made it through the Senate because of spineless Republicans caving to MAGA. No court will touch this case for another 4 years. But if we make it that long without Trump majorly fucking up the whole thing will be able to try him in a proper court and put his ass in jail where he should have gone a long time ago.

[Suppressed Poet]

I meant to respond to this a while ago. Nice try but your little run around word game doesn't mean all truth is subjective. I think you know this... you're just trying to defend the January 6th insurrection.

Donald J Trump was indicted for inciting an insurrection in a bipartisan vote by the House whose representatives who enact the will of the people. That is all the proof you need. There's your arrest.

It never made it through the Senate because of spineless Republicans caving to MAGA. No court will touch this case for another 4 years. But if we make it that long without Trump majorly fucking up the whole thing will be able to try him in a proper court and put his ass in jail where he should have gone a long time ago.

The best thing about your response is you still cling to some kind of false hope that Trump will ever spend a single night in jail. Damn you really are the perfect little Democrat mind-slave.

I’d have an easier time explaining the basics of logic in an argument to my 13 year old blind & deaf dog, so I’ll just cease my attempt to educate you.

There was nothing bipartisan about the House vote to impeach him. You got 10 Rhinos that included Liz Cheney & Adam Kinzinger to vote with Democrats. The Senate acquitted him. That means not guilty in case you didn’t know. I’m sooooo sorry for your loss…

[~Rocktar~]

Everyone defending her... I disagree. She was breaking windows to enter a sealed chamber of congress with armed guards threatening her. I don't care if she was backing away when she got smoked. FAFO.

So you are ok with police firing at unarmed civilians in protests and riots and murdering them. Got it.

You beat me to it.

I can’t get the video to load, but as I recall she was beating down the door and the officer was protecting people behind it. I’m not a back the blue no matter who type guy, but they have to make a split second decision. The standard for self defense is would a reasonable person believe that they or others around them are in imminent danger of serious bodily harm or death. Based on what I know, I understand why the officer fired shots in this situation & believe that action was justified.

I think it’s important we put logic & equal standards in front of tribalism.

No one was behind the police other than more police. She was unarmed. No one in the crowd was armed. So, by your logic, it's ok to murder unarmed people who are protesting, pushing at barriers and so on, even when no other people are in danger. Got it.

And before either of you come back with some bullshit about how you aren't saying that, make no mistake, that is EXACTLY what you are saying, without reservation.

[Suppressed Poet]

So you are ok with police firing at unarmed civilians in protests and riots and murdering them. Got it.




No one was behind the police other than more police. She was unarmed. No one in the crowd was armed. So, by your logic, it's ok to murder unarmed people who are protesting, pushing at barriers and so on, even when no other people are in danger. Got it.

And before either of you come back with some bullshit about how you aren't saying that, make no mistake, that is EXACTLY what you are saying, without reservation.

I’m saying it was a chaotic situation, the police likely had no idea whether she was armed or not, and her behavior was violent. A reasonable person may assume that the threat of serious bodily injury was imminent. When it comes to these grey areas where you and I can Monday morning quarterback all the details but law enforcement has to make a split second decision in the moment, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the police especially when they gave her every opportunity to avoid this outcome with repeated lawful orders to stop.

Make no mistake…I don’t celebrate this woman’s death either. It’s a tragic unfortunate outcome. I’m not saying the cop that shot her was a hero, but given the totality of circumstances in that situation I believe he was justified in using deadly force. Call me a boot licker or siding with the left or whatever you want. My morals and call to reason doesn’t change just because of what side of the political spectrum this woman is associated with.

[Realk]

No one was behind the police other than more police. She was unarmed. No one in the crowd was armed.

largely I'd agree. But when they have flag poles, baseball bats using helmets to already bash in a barricade on the door that clearly is put there because the people on the other side DO NOT want them crossing. How is someone to know that at all how the situation might or might not escalate into or the status of what is on them?

[~Rocktar~]

I’m saying it was a chaotic situation, the police likely had no idea whether she was armed or not, and her behavior was violent. A reasonable person may assume that the threat of serious bodily injury was imminent. When it comes to these grey areas where you and I can Monday morning quarterback all the details but law enforcement has to make a split second decision in the moment, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the police especially when they gave her every opportunity to avoid this outcome with repeated lawful orders to stop.

Make no mistake…I don’t celebrate this woman’s death either. It’s a tragic unfortunate outcome. I’m not saying the cop that shot her was a hero, but given the totality of circumstances in that situation I believe he was justified in using deadly force. Call me a boot licker or siding with the left or whatever you want. My morals and call to reason doesn’t change just because of what side of the political spectrum this woman is associated with.

largely I'd agree. But when they have flag poles, baseball bats using helmets to already bash in a barricade on the door that clearly is put there because the people on the other side DO NOT want them crossing. How is someone to know that at all how the situation might or might not escalate into or the status of what is on them?

The problem is, it doesn't stand up to any legal standard of use of lethal force. She was not advancing on him. She was not armed. There was an intact barrier between them, regardless of the status of the broken glass. His life was not in immediate danger that second. It fails all the tests of using lethal force for police and for civilians. There was no trial, there was not police review and his name was not released for years and we don't have his body cam footage thanks to the Jan 6 committee.

This shoot amounts to police on one side of a barrier getting antsy and shooting randomly at protesters. You can rationalize it how you want, the guy committed murder and ought to be on trial.