More Obamacare fuckups

[Parkbandit]

Now, for those who have stated they don't want a single payer system because of how poorly the government runs things. Since when does government pay equal government management? Because if you want I am sure myself and others can find many examples of where this is untrue.

What?

[Jeril]

What?

Some people have used the VA as an example of bad government run health care as a reason to avoid a single payer system. I am pointing out how the government paying for something and the government running it aren't mutually exclusive.

[Jarvan]

Some people have used the VA as an example of bad government run health care as a reason to avoid a single payer system. I am pointing out how the government paying for something and the government running it aren't mutually exclusive.

The problem with Government single payer is that it really is socialism. Since they would be the biggest buyer of medical services, and they will have to be "within budget", they will dictate to dr's and hospitals what they will pay. Then they will use their power as the government to force those dr's and hospitals to take the insurance, or not be allowed to practice.

Imagine you are a Dr. And the Government tells you that you have to take 30$ for a patient visit, even if it costs YOU 45$ for that time. Then they say that if you don't accept the 30$, you can't practice.

While some may think that's a great idea, and a way to reduce costs... that's now how a free society works.

[Latrinsorm]

The problem with Government single payer is that it really is socialism. Since they would be the biggest buyer of medical services, and they will have to be "within budget", they will dictate to dr's and hospitals what they will pay. Then they will use their power as the government to force those dr's and hospitals to take the insurance, or not be allowed to practice.

Imagine you are a Dr. And the Government tells you that you have to take 30$ for a patient visit, even if it costs YOU 45$ for that time. Then they say that if you don't accept the 30$, you can't practice.

While some may think that's a great idea, and a way to reduce costs... that's now how a free society works.

Progressive income taxes are socialism too, and public utilities, welfare, etc. America has been a mixed economy for a century and we've never been freer.

[Jarvan]

Progressive income taxes are socialism too, and public utilities, welfare, etc. America has been a mixed economy for a century and we've never been freer.

Depends on your definition of Free.

[Jeril]

The problem with Government single payer is that it really is socialism. Since they would be the biggest buyer of medical services, and they will have to be "within budget", they will dictate to dr's and hospitals what they will pay. Then they will use their power as the government to force those dr's and hospitals to take the insurance, or not be allowed to practice.

Imagine you are a Dr. And the Government tells you that you have to take 30$ for a patient visit, even if it costs YOU 45$ for that time. Then they say that if you don't accept the 30$, you can't practice.

While some may think that's a great idea, and a way to reduce costs... that's now how a free society works.

So you are against it because you are worried they are going to mess it up. To me, that seems like a lousy reason not to try.

[Atlanteax]

So you are against it because you are worried they are going to mess it up. To me, that seems like a lousy reason not to try.

Name a successful program that the government has *not* screwed up ... or one that functions despite constant governmental meddling.

[Back]

Name a successful program that the government has *not* screwed up ... or one that functions despite constant governmental meddling.

Name anything humans do thats perfect?

[Johnny Five]

Name anything humans do thats perfect?

Hate.

[Atlanteax]

Name anything humans do thats perfect?

Fight or Flight