More Obamacare fuckups

[cwolff]

You both make some good points. I do think that not fighting for a single payer system was a calculated move. They went with what they could make work and they did it. Maybe this is why the right is floundering so badly. They're pushing ideology over practicality which is alienating them from the people.

You also seem to be making a fundamental mistake in your thinking. There are 300 million people here. It's like turning an oil freighter. It takes time. Someday we'll have single payer but we're not ready for it today.

[Parkbandit]

You both make some good points. I do think that not fighting for a single payer system was a calculated move. They went with what they could make work and they did it. Maybe this is why the right is floundering so badly. They're pushing ideology over practicality which is alienating them from the people.

You also seem to be making a fundamental mistake in your thinking. There are 300 million people here. It's like turning an oil freighter. It takes time. Someday we'll have single payer but we're not ready for it today.

If a single payer system is so great, why wouldn't we be ready for it today?

I love standing in long lines, waiting for a doctor. What's not to love??

[cwolff]

If a single payer system is so great, why wouldn't we be ready for it today?

I love standing in long lines, waiting for a doctor. What's not to love??

Go for it. If you can't find a long line just meditate. It'll do you a world of good.

[Parkbandit]

Go for it. If you can't find a long line just meditate. It'll do you a world of good.

An unsurprising "woosh"

[Warriorbird]

Begin negotiating? The Democrats had the WH, the Senate and the House. They knew this and didn't bother doing actual negotiating.

Problem is, they knew this was a gigantic sack of shit and they wanted Republicans on board when they opened the sack on the American people.

The ACA is owned solely by the Democrats. This needs to be repeated until election day and every day until November 2016.

Repeat the lie enough and you even think its true.

[cwolff]

Repeat the lie enough and you even think its true.

Are you kidding? He's fixing to double down.

"[B]eliefs can survive potent logical or empirical challenges. They can survive and even be bolstered by evidence that most uncommitted observers would agree logically demands some weakening of such beliefs. They can even survive the total destruction of their original evidential bases."
—Lee Ross and Craig Anderson[44]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirm...edited_beliefs

[Kembal]

Mandate has been delayed till 2016. They don't want to lose the whitehouse when employers tell their employees "fuck you, buy it yourself".

Employer mandate was delayed til 2016.

Individual mandate to purchase insurance was not delayed. Surprisingly, there are large numbers of people who work, are offered health benefits via work, but do not purchase insurance. That behavior apparently is being changed by the individual mandate.

[Wrathbringer]

Employer mandate was delayed til 2016.

Individual mandate to purchase insurance was not delayed. Surprisingly, there are large numbers of people who work, are offered health benefits via work, but do not purchase insurance. That behavior apparently is being changed by the individual mandate.

Wonder why? It's not like the IRS can come after you to collect the "tax" as they do with real taxes. People just have to change their withholdings to where they don't get a tax refund and they're safe from the fine.

[Parkbandit]

Repeat the lie enough and you even think its true.

We have different ideas about what "negotiating" means.

Clue: It doesn't mean "Do what I want or I'll just go around you".

[cwolff]

More Good News!

Obama: Health care sign-ups hit 8 million
Posted by
CNN Staff
(CNN) – The number of Americans who signed up for private health insurance in the marketplaces has grown to 8 million, President Barack Obama said Thursday during a rare appearance at the daily White House news conference where he talked about the Affordable Care Act.

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