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    Quote Originally Posted by stormcrow View Post
    This article was written last week for the wjs by my father in law. He's been a scientist studying the atmosphere since the 70's. He's not a right wing republican as Kerry makes anyone who questions climate change.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...91611041331266
    An interesting read. However, the result of his conclusions is only that the projections are not as high as they've been conveyed to be. He makes no statement whether or not it's still grounds for alarms, or if there's required actions that should be taken to try to pro-actively solve the problem, or even making a statement that there is a problem or not. Not once does he say that the reduced rate from his calculations are not grounds for alarm. And starting off with the Kerry statement makes him just seem personally offended, and butthurt over his statements, rather than his facts and arguments speaking for themselves.

    Furthermore, by taking an observation measurement of only time = 100 years, it seems to be an insufficient amount of datapoints to extrapolate the short term, due to the increase in CO2 emmissions over even the last 50 years. While I understand we are considering earth measurements in the matter of millions of years, if we're specifically trying to correlate climate change with CO2 emmissions, about 99.99% of that data used only as the baseline, and not used to extrapolate the current trends we're observing.

    He also doesn't seem to be interested in evaluating WHY the predictions are so far off from reality. Were extrapolated values of increased CO2 emmissions higher than what was actually produced? Is that due to successful work by politicians (oxymoron) in reducing CO2 emissions growth?

    I'm not doubting his research, as I trust that he has the data to back up his results, it's more the way it was written just comes across weak, vindictive, and not as credible as it rightfully should be. I understand that a lot of that is going to be because of WSJ, character limits, etc. I'd love to hear more about his research and how he reached his conclusions if he has any public information available to read further.


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    Thread repeat count. 86 is the amount of times this topic has been discussed.
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    Multiply this degree of difficulty by the ever shifting weather patterns degree of difficulty, and it's truly ...difficult to predict future temperature changes based on any one variable.

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    It always makes me laugh that every single one of these studies put out really only look at CO2. They ignore methane.

    Ever wonder why that is?

    Because it's easy to point at Big Oil and say "they make to much money, lets stop them!!". Then it is to point at the supermarket and say "No more Beef or Pork for you!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ker_Thwap View Post
    Multiply this degree of difficulty by the ever shifting weather patterns degree of difficulty, and it's truly ...difficult to predict future temperature changes based on any one variable.
    And I don't care what the Vulcan Science Directorate says.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormcrow View Post
    This article was written last week for the wjs by my father in law. He's been a scientist studying the atmosphere since the 70's. He's not a right wing republican as Kerry makes anyone who questions climate change.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...91611041331266
    Obviously he is in the pocket of big oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Five View Post
    Thread repeat count. 86 is the amount of times this topic has been discussed.
    Glad you brought that up. This is why the report was produced. It's an effort to de-politicize the issue and change the conversation.

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    What's this? Pseudoscientific GOP talking points about "climate change" vs "global warming," implying that it was "changed to 'climate change'" half-way to make up for "the story being incorrect"?

    Misinformation? From conservatives? No!

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    What's in a Name? Global Warming vs. Climate Change - 12.05.08

    The Internet is full of references to global warming. The Union of Concerned Scientists website on climate change is titled "Global Warming," just one of many examples. But we don't use global warming much on this website. We use the less appealing "climate change." Why?

    To a scientist, global warming describes the average global surface temperature increase from human emissions of greenhouse gases. Its first use was in a 1975 Science article by geochemist Wallace Broecker of Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory: "Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?"1

    Broecker's term was a break with tradition. Earlier studies of human impact on climate had called it "inadvertent climate modification."2 This was because while many scientists accepted that human activities could cause climate change, they did not know what the direction of change might be. Industrial emissions of tiny airborne particles called aerosols might cause cooling, while greenhouse gas emissions would cause warming. Which effect would dominate?

    For most of the 1970s, nobody knew. So "inadvertent climate modification," while clunky and dull, was an accurate reflection of the state of knowledge.

    The first decisive National Academy of Science study of carbon dioxide's impact on climate, published in 1979, abandoned "inadvertent climate modification." Often called the Charney Report for its chairman, Jule Charney of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, declared: "if carbon dioxide continues to increase, [we find] no reason to doubt that climate changes will result and no reason to believe that these changes will be negligible."3

    In place of inadvertent climate modification, Charney adopted Broecker's usage. When referring to surface temperature change, Charney used "global warming." When discussing the many other changes that would be induced by increasing carbon dioxide, Charney used "climate change."
    Definitions

    Global warming: the increase in Earth’s average surface temperature due to rising levels of greenhouse gases.

    Climate change: a long-term change in the Earth’s climate, or of a region on Earth.

    Within scientific journals, this is still how the two terms are used. Global warming refers to surface temperature increases, while climate change includes global warming and everything else that increasing greenhouse gas amounts will affect.

    During the late 1980s one more term entered the lexicon, “global change.” This term encompassed many other kinds of change in addition to climate change. When it was approved in 1989, the U.S. climate research program was embedded as a theme area within the U.S. Global Change Research Program.

    But global warming became the dominant popular term in June 1988, when NASA scientist James E. Hansen had testified to Congress about climate, specifically referring to global warming. He said: "global warming has reached a level such that we can ascribe with a high degree of confidence a cause and effect relationship between the greenhouse effect and the observed warming."4 Hansen's testimony was very widely reported in popular and business media, and after that popular use of the term global warming exploded. Global change never gained traction in either the scientific literature or the popular media.

    But temperature change itself isn't the most severe effect of changing climate. Changes to precipitation patterns and sea level are likely to have much greater human impact than the higher temperatures alone. For this reason, scientific research on climate change encompasses far more than surface temperature change. So "global climate change" is the more scientifically accurate term. Like the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, we've chosen to emphasize global climate change on this website, and not global warming.
    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...ther_name.html

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    You know, I am really still waiting for this climate to change, it was -17 outside last night and that's way below the average. This has been one of the coldest winters I have felt. So please, drive more, burn more coal, force a volcano to erupt. I like warm weather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Five View Post
    You know, I am really still waiting for this climate to change, it was -17 outside last night and that's way below the average. This has been one of the coldest winters I have felt. So please, drive more, burn more coal, force a volcano to erupt. I like warm weather.
    Well, we could just ask Ashliana to keep talking, all that hot air should help some.
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