Quote Originally Posted by waywardgs View Post
I can't possibly see a valid argument against chilling out on the fucking fossil fuels already. We have other tech. Let's use it.
There is no other tech currently that would give us comparable power for comparable cost.

MAYBE you wouldn't mind paying 10$ for a Kwh, but I sure don't.

Do we need to work on tech that can equal fossil fuels? Hell yes. Are we even remotely close? Fuck No.

There was another thread, where someone brought up a tidal power plant in South Korea. Zero Emissions, and produces decent power.

I then pointed out that to produce enough power just for Miami.. (how exactly you will use a tidal plant for Denver tho is beyond me) would cost about 25 BILLION dollars. For One City. (based on the 254 Mw Tidal plant in South Korea cost 300 Mill US, 2008 Miami summer power consumption 21,077 Mw)

America uses just under 4 Terawatts of power.

China actually uses more then us. about 4.7 Terawatts.

The Entire EU only uses 3 Terawatts.

Solar currently is even more costly.

Antelope Valley Solar Ranch

The 230 MW Antelope Valley Solar Ranch is a First Solar photovoltaic project which is under construction in the Antelope Valley area of the Western Mojave Desert,[25] which is due to be completed in 2013. The project has received a $680 million government loan guarantee.

680 Million (if on budget) for 230 MW. Think "Green" people in LA will be happy to pay 90$ per KWH?

Then there is this...

Ivanpah Solar Power Facility

The 392MW Ivanpah Solar Power Facility, located 40 miles (64 km) southwest of Las Vegas, is the world’s largest solar-thermal power plant project which became fully operational on February 13, 2014.[20] BrightSource Energy received a $1.6 billion loan guarantee from the United States Department of Energy to build the project, which will deploy 347,000 heliostat mirrors focusing solar energy on boilers located on centralized solar power towers. The project is controversial for its environmental impacts, including the elimination of some desert tortoise habitat. [21] [20] [22] Since becoming operational, dozens of dead birds have been found around the plant with singed or burnt feathers. It is believed that the system scorched the birds that flew through the intense heat surrounding the towers.

As far as Nuclear.. we should expand. But even that is a limited resource.

We currently produce more Wind power then anyone. But it's nothing compared to what we actually use.

I don't think Miami could afford that. Nor the citizens afford the cost of a company building that.

The other thing is... where exactly are you going to put enough wind turbines or solar panels in say.. PA to supply all the power needed?


Honestly.. if one more person says.. well we need to stop burning fossil fuels and start living green.. while wearing clothes, eating food and driving a car with a cell phone and computer, they should be shot. Period.