More Obamacare fuckups

[Parkbandit]

I've said it every time you've brought it up. Three times in this thread and one or two in another.

You have a ton of catching up to do.

[Methais]

Senator Rand Paul is Methais?

Yes.

EDIT: I mean no.

[Warriorbird]

I don't get why you keep repeating a really stupid point you are trying to make ad nauseum?

You're right.. I don't get it. A couple of times.. ok, but seriously, how often have you brought up your "BUT OBAMACARE WAS ORIGINALLY A REPUBLICAN PLAN GUYS!"? I'm going to say at least 25.

It's just not and you don't, not even when you're given the information from sources with a conservative bias. You either don't read them or don't see something fundamental that opposes your worldview.

[~Rocktar~]

It's just not and you don't, not even when you're given the information from sources with a conservative bias. You either don't read them or don't see something fundamental that opposes your worldview.

Just because a Republican think tank wrote it as a counter point to something Carter and Mondale wanted to do doesn't make it good, right or something other conservatives support. Your point is stupid, you are belaboring it to death and seriously, you add no significant content or POV other than to stir the pot and troll like a semi-pro. Stop being a troll, grow up and post something of value. Or just stop posting.

[Parkbandit]

It's just not and you don't, not even when you're given the information from sources with a conservative bias. You either don't read them or don't see something fundamental that opposes your worldview.

Ok... so I don't agree with your assertion and didn't the first 24 times you posted it. So your counter to that is to repeat at every opportunity you can until I do agree with your assertion?

[Warriorbird]

Just because a Republican think tank wrote it as a counter point to something Carter and Mondale wanted to do doesn't make it good, right or something other conservatives support. Your point is stupid, you are belaboring it to death and seriously, you add no significant content or POV other than to stir the pot and troll like a semi-pro. Stop being a troll, grow up and post something of value. Or just stop posting.

Those just aren't the facts. If they were you might have a point.

EDIT:

Him too.

[Atlanteax]

I'm waiting for WB to mention Ayn Rand again.

[ClydeR]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...idual-mandate/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...idual-mandate/

We'll go with Republicans talking in two outlets of conservative media for 1000, please, Alex.

And I must've not noticed you saying it before. My deepest apologies.

If you think Republicans have been hypocritical on individual mandates, then you need to Google something to show it. We're the kind of people in this forum who like short videos, not long articles.

The actual Republican proposal in 1993 was vastly different from Obamacare. The Republican bill, the "Health Equity and Access Reform Today" act -- cool name! -- is what Congress should have passed, instead of Obamacare. Republicans were worried about uninsured freeloaders going to emergency rooms which drove up everybody's insurance premiums by an estimated more than $1,000 per year. To combat that evil, the Republican bill would have required everybody to purchase insurance from an insurance company. If anybody failed to buy insurance, then they would have had to pay a tax penalty. The Republicans weren't going to have any websites or stuff like that. It was no death-panel-driven government takeover of your health like Obamacare is.

[cwolff]

If you think Republicans have been hypocritical on individual mandates, then you need to Google something to show it. We're the kind of people in this forum who like short videos, not long articles.

The actual Republican proposal in 1993 was vastly different from Obamacare. The Republican bill, the "Health Equity and Access Reform Today" act -- cool name! -- is what Congress should have passed, instead of Obamacare. Republicans were worried about uninsured freeloaders going to emergency rooms which drove up everybody's insurance premiums by an estimated more than $1,000 per year. To combat that evil, the Republican bill would have required everybody to purchase insurance from an insurance company. If anybody failed to buy insurance, then they would have had to pay a tax penalty. The Republicans weren't going to have any websites or stuff like that. It was no death-panel-driven government takeover of your health like Obamacare is.

If you don't want to believe WB will you believe Newt and Mitt?

ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.

GINGRICH: That’s not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.

GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: And you never supported them?

GINGRICH: I agree with them, but I’m just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn’t true.

(CROSSTALK)

ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?

GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.

ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?

ROMNEY: Oh, OK. That’s what I’m saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.

GINGRICH: OK. A little broader.

ROMNEY: OK.

10/20/2011 @ 8:26AM 42,121 views
How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate

Vastly different is a bit of an overstatement. None of these proposals are vastly different since they have so much in common. Even the Paul Ryan plan has much more in common with ACA than it does to the pre-ACA system. The only problem the GOP has is that Obama picked up this ball and ran with it. He got it passed, he ran his elections on it and is making it happen. They tried to discredit him by calling it Obamacare and instead Obama used that to his advantage. This is nothing but partisan politics at it's worst.

[Parkbandit]

If you don't want to believe WB will you believe Newt and Mitt?

Vastly different is a bit of an overstatement. None of these proposals are vastly different since they have so much in common. Even the Paul Ryan plan has much more in common with ACA than it does to the pre-ACA system. The only problem the GOP has is that Obama picked up this ball and ran with it. He got it passed, he ran his elections on it and is making it happen. They tried to discredit him by calling it Obamacare and instead Obama used that to his advantage. This is nothing but partisan politics at it's worst.

Then, in the spirit of bipartisan peace and harmony.. how about this:

We scrap the ACA version and fully implement the Paul Ryan plan. I mean, since the plans are so similar and basically the same, I am certain that would be a proposal you would endorse.. right?