More Obamacare fuckups

[Thondalar]

I'm sorry that you're confronting this aspect of yourself. A conservative group wrote what you're complaining about. Republicans backed it for years. You may want to claim that you're some sort of extra special cut government spending Libertarian, but there's been about one of those in 50 years and his net impact has been very little. Now that there's a "Libertarian wing" of the Republican Party their net impact has been less cooperation and total gridlock.

For at least the third time, i'll explain it to you again. The Heritage Foundation wrote a plan for an individual mandate as an alternative to a single-payer system. They DID NOT write the ACA.

Quit trying to prop your arguments up with partial truths. It makes you look foolish.

[Atlanteax]

For at least the third time, i'll explain it to you again. The Heritage Foundation wrote a plan for an individual mandate as an alternative to a single-payer system. They DID NOT write the ACA.

Quit trying to prop your arguments up with partial truths. It makes you look foolish.

But how will WB ever debate? Partial truths is all that he has.

[Methais]

Lately you're obsessed with the Affordable Care Act. You've cast what is another Obama theft of a conservative policy as the "ULTIMATE EVIL LIBERAL THING OMG SOCIALISM."

http://youtu.be/d-sALU_hveA?t=1m13s

[Parkbandit]

Lately you're obsessed with the Affordable Care Act. You've cast what is another Obama theft of a conservative policy as the "ULTIMATE EVIL LIBERAL THING OMG SOCIALISM."

Almost as much as you are obsessed with "BUT GUYS, IT WUZ A REPUBLICAN PLAN!!"

Just stop. It's one thing to not realize how obsessive you get, but it's another thing when it's been pointed out again and again.. and you still don't get it.

[Warriorbird]

For at least the third time, i'll explain it to you again. The Heritage Foundation wrote a plan for an individual mandate as an alternative to a single-payer system. They DID NOT write the ACA.

Quit trying to prop your arguments up with partial truths. It makes you look foolish.

Since you haven't ever made such a ridiculous suggestion, I'll kick it and the rest on the path.

The Heritage Foundation wrote what was adapted into the Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole healthcare plans.

Those plans were blatantly stolen by Mitt Romney.

Romney's plan was stolen almost entirely by Obama.

If you want to be obtuse (which you and they do), the Heritage Foundation didn't personally write Obama's plan, but they'd have a solid case for plagiarism or theft of intellectual property in any college, think tank, or court in the land.

(Not that they'd see it through, given the decision now to declare it OMG ULTIMATE LIBERAL SOCIALISM EVIL. They've even got Thondalar to defend them. It's a big circle of fucking ridiculous.)

Almost as much as you are obsessed with "BUT GUYS, IT WUZ A REPUBLICAN PLAN!!"

Just stop. It's one thing to not realize how obsessive you get, but it's another thing when it's been pointed out again and again.. and you still don't get it.

You have no room to ever brooch this subject. Ever. You still don't get it.

EDIT:

More fun Republican plagiarism

[Latrinsorm]

Senator Rand Paul is Methais?

[Warriorbird]

Senator Rand Paul is Methais?

It could be possible. He hasn't proven he didn't Aqua Buddha a young girl in 1990.

[Thondalar]

Since you haven't ever made such a ridiculous suggestion, I'll kick it and the rest on the path.

I've said it every time you've brought it up. Three times in this thread and one or two in another.

The Heritage Foundation wrote what was adapted into the Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole healthcare plans.

Those plans were blatantly stolen by Mitt Romney.

Romney's plan was stolen almost entirely by Obama.

If you want to be obtuse (which you and they do), the Heritage Foundation didn't personally write Obama's plan, but they'd have a solid case for plagiarism or theft of intellectual property in any college, think tank, or court in the land.

(Not that they'd see it through, given the decision now to declare it OMG ULTIMATE LIBERAL SOCIALISM EVIL. They've even got Thondalar to defend them. It's a big circle of fucking ridiculous.)

So...let me get this straight. 20 years ago the Heritage Foundation wrote a plan for an individual mandate to counter a proposal for a single-payer Healthcare system. This was then "adapted into" Legislation written by someone else, which itself was then "adapted into" someone else's plan, which was then "adapted into" someone else's plan.

By God you're right. It's all the Heritage Foundation's fault!

Just curious...have you actually read the Heritage Foundation's proposal? In it's original form? Exactly how much of that can you directly find in the almost-thousand-page monstrosity that is the Affordable Care Act?

[Warriorbird]

I've said it every time you've brought it up. Three times in this thread and one or two in another.



So...let me get this straight. 20 years ago the Heritage Foundation wrote a plan for an individual mandate to counter a proposal for a single-payer Healthcare system. This was then "adapted into" Legislation written by someone else, which itself was then "adapted into" someone else's plan, which was then "adapted into" someone else's plan.

By God you're right. It's all the Heritage Foundation's fault!

Just curious...have you actually read the Heritage Foundation's proposal? In it's original form? Exactly how much of that can you directly find in the almost-thousand-page monstrosity that is the Affordable Care Act?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...idual-mandate/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...idual-mandate/

We'll go with Republicans talking in two outlets of conservative media for 1000, please, Alex.

And I must've not noticed you saying it before. My deepest apologies.

ADDITIONAL NOTE:

Stuart says that Heritage’s version of the individual mandate contained “three critical features” that distinguish it from Obamacare’s mandate: (1) it required people to buy catastrophic coverage, rather than more expensive comprehensive coverage; (2) it was primarily financed “through the carrot of a generous health credit or voucher…rather than by a stick”; (3) Heritage’s mandate “was actually the loss of certain tax breaks…not a legal requirement.”

The cute bit about Heritage's attempted defense under Butler?

You can buy catastrophic.

and

In fairness to Heritage’s critics, it’s worth pointing out that: (1) Heritage proposed the individual mandate in 1989, well before Bill and Hillary Clinton were on anyone’s political radar screen; (2) Obamacare and Romneycare both finance individual insurance purchases through generous vouchers (via the exchanges); (3) Obamacare’s mandate is “enforced,” weakly, by withholding tax refunds.

Today, there is near-unanimity on the right that the individual mandate is an egregious violation of individual liberty. But liberal critics are right to point out that that wasn’t always true. Based on my research, I see no contravening evidence to the claim that Stuart Butler and Heritage were the first people to advocate the individual mandate, in the context of a private-sector health-care system.

IN FURTHER RESPONSE TO A FORBES ARTICLE UPDATE (that a lot of you probably won't read)

Enthoven? Totally a conservative too and Heritage put it out past the state/academic level.

[Parkbandit]

You have no room to ever brooch this subject. Ever. You still don't get it.

I don't get why you keep repeating a really stupid point you are trying to make ad nauseum?

You're right.. I don't get it. A couple of times.. ok, but seriously, how often have you brought up your "BUT OBAMACARE WAS ORIGINALLY A REPUBLICAN PLAN GUYS!"? I'm going to say at least 25.