Quote Originally Posted by Bryce View Post
1. I disagree it is Taxation by Citation. For profit, in which almost all goes into the cities slush funds aka general fund. Some go as far as to use it to pay the police. If it wasn’t an indirect tax all counties would offer community service instead of cash. Some places are wising up. In Arizona House Bill 2055, approved 6-4 Wednesday by the House Judiciary Committee, would allows ticket holders to ask to perform community service at $10 an hour for up to half of the fine. It also would permit judges to allow the entire fine to be waived for additional hours of work.

Now tickets are no longer an illegal tax because a choice is given. These red light ticket cameras and even worse Red light mobile and moving speed traps Are the biggest scam pulled on the American people.

2. I can’t speak for all states because each is very different. One example other than traffic tax in Arizona is privilege tax. Weed is fun example. We have an excise tax of 16% and a sales tax at 5.6%. City tax and misc Maricopa county taxes are 1.9%. When it’s said and done around 30% tax. That excludes the insane taxes on the sellers end. That is passed on to the Buyer. The whole thing is a scam and hurts the poors. The Richs don’t care. Alcohol is taxed just the same. Another example is cigarettes and they are like $2.37 state tax per pack and cities add another $1.80. Average pack is $9.00. In Basking Ridge NJ one pack is $17.85. Who smokes? The majority of poors and the Richs don’t care. All in the name of health. Except vaping has been proven to be safe when purchased from US suppliers and now they are taxing that even worse than cigarettes.

There are too many examples of this that only burden the poors. Americans are literally taxed to death


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Citations in most states do pay for the cost of law enforcement in particular and other community programs, but that's not a tax or levy, it's a fine used as a financial disincentive to reduce dangerous and illegal behavior. If the cost is $1 a day to have law enforcement, then why not have those who make more frequent use of their services (lawbreakers) may remuneration to partially offset that cost?

Meanwhile, a tax against legalized drug use isn't an unfair burden to the poor, though you're right in that more of the poor use drugs. If my choice is to smoke weed, then the societal cost that comes with additional law enforcement needs, medical needs and financial regulation should be paid by those partaking. The same has been in place for cigarettes and alcohol for decades, and just look at the cost of treatment for illnesses resulting from those substances and you'll see why it's necessary.