Russia Just Invaded Ukraine

[Bryce]

What?

#1: A traffic ticket isn't a tax. That's like saying buying groceries is a tax. It's not.

#2: Poor people pay no income taxes and get money from the government in the form of welfare, housing, tax "refunds", etc.. Poor people gain far more than they put in.

When I asked you to be specific, I was talking about actual taxing.. not made up taxes like "traffic tickets"

1. I disagree it is Taxation by Citation. For profit, in which almost all goes into the cities slush funds aka general fund. Some go as far as to use it to pay the police. If it wasn’t an indirect tax all counties would offer community service instead of cash. Some places are wising up. In Arizona House Bill 2055, approved 6-4 Wednesday by the House Judiciary Committee, would allows ticket holders to ask to perform community service at $10 an hour for up to half of the fine. It also would permit judges to allow the entire fine to be waived for additional hours of work.

Now tickets are no longer an illegal tax because a choice is given. These red light ticket cameras and even worse Red light mobile and moving speed traps Are the biggest scam pulled on the American people.

2. I can’t speak for all states because each is very different. One example other than traffic tax in Arizona is privilege tax. Weed is fun example. We have an excise tax of 16% and a sales tax at 5.6%. City tax and misc Maricopa county taxes are 1.9%. When it’s said and done around 30% tax. That excludes the insane taxes on the sellers end. That is passed on to the Buyer. The whole thing is a scam and hurts the poors. The Richs don’t care. Alcohol is taxed just the same. Another example is cigarettes and they are like $2.37 state tax per pack and cities add another $1.80. Average pack is $9.00. In Basking Ridge NJ one pack is $17.85. Who smokes? The majority of poors and the Richs don’t care. All in the name of health. Except vaping has been proven to be safe when purchased from US suppliers and now they are taxing that even worse than cigarettes.

There are too many examples of this that only burden the poors. Americans are literally taxed to death


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[Bryce]

1. I disagree it is Taxation by Citation. For profit, in which almost all goes into the cities slush funds aka general fund. Some go as far as to use it to pay the police. If it wasn’t an indirect tax all counties would offer community service instead of cash. Some places are wising up. In Arizona House Bill 2055, approved 6-4 Wednesday by the House Judiciary Committee, would allows ticket holders to ask to perform community service at $10 an hour for up to half of the fine. It also would permit judges to allow the entire fine to be waived for additional hours of work.

Now tickets are no longer an illegal tax because a choice is given. These red light ticket cameras and even worse Red light mobile and moving speed traps Are the biggest scam pulled on the American people.

2. I can’t speak for all states because each is very different. One example other than traffic tax in Arizona is privilege tax. Weed is fun example. We have an excise tax of 16% and a sales tax at 5.6%. City tax and misc Maricopa county taxes are 1.9%. When it’s said and done around 30% tax. That excludes the insane taxes on the sellers end. That is passed on to the Buyer. The whole thing is a scam and hurts the poors. The Richs don’t care. Alcohol is taxed just the same. Another example is cigarettes and they are like $2.37 state tax per pack and cities add another $1.80. Average pack is $9.00. In Basking Ridge NJ one pack is $17.85. Who smokes? The majority of poors and the Richs don’t care. All in the name of health. Except vaping has been proven to be safe when purchased from US suppliers and now they are taxing that even worse than cigarettes.

There are too many examples of this that only burden the poors. Americans are literally taxed to death


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I also believe there is no such thing as middle class. Pretty much the last two decades you are a rich or a poor


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[Bryce]

Definetly agreed that a lot of the federal spending on projects tailored to earn votes in congress is wrong. It's bribery. What's worse is that a lot of the spending like modernizing power lines, water lines, environmental cleanup, etc., should be the responsibility of the states themselves and the companies to utilize the infrastructure. I think the exception can be made in guaranteed loans, but only if the federal government stops giving money to companies which are just grant mills.

Federal government should be responsible for the things I named, first and foremost. Secondary programs like cash welfare and childcare grants need to be phased out as parents need to be made responsible for the children they pop out. Food assistance to me is acceptable as no one should starve in our country.

I agree no child, disabled person, or veteran should suffer because of shitbag parents or bad genetic luck, or serving for the country. Food stamps are an absolute must in my opinion but states should not allow people to buy lobster etc. Some states are too restrictive and others like California have almost no restrictions. Medicare and Medicaid need to exist for the disabled and others or something state run equivalent. Not allowing me to chose an out of state plan for health insurance is another hidden tax because without competition these assholes get the poors there as well with just dumb insurance premiums.


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[Parkbandit]

1. I disagree it is Taxation by Citation. For profit, in which almost all goes into the cities slush funds aka general fund. Some go as far as to use it to pay the police. If it wasn’t an indirect tax all counties would offer community service instead of cash. Some places are wising up. In Arizona House Bill 2055, approved 6-4 Wednesday by the House Judiciary Committee, would allows ticket holders to ask to perform community service at $10 an hour for up to half of the fine. It also would permit judges to allow the entire fine to be waived for additional hours of work.

Now tickets are no longer an illegal tax because a choice is given. These red light ticket cameras and even worse Red light mobile and moving speed traps Are the biggest scam pulled on the American people.

2. I can’t speak for all states because each is very different. One example other than traffic tax in Arizona is privilege tax. Weed is fun example. We have an excise tax of 16% and a sales tax at 5.6%. City tax and misc Maricopa county taxes are 1.9%. When it’s said and done around 30% tax. That excludes the insane taxes on the sellers end. That is passed on to the Buyer. The whole thing is a scam and hurts the poors. The Richs don’t care. Alcohol is taxed just the same. Another example is cigarettes and they are like $2.37 state tax per pack and cities add another $1.80. Average pack is $9.00. In Basking Ridge NJ one pack is $17.85. Who smokes? The majority of poors and the Richs don’t care. All in the name of health. Except vaping has been proven to be safe when purchased from US suppliers and now they are taxing that even worse than cigarettes.

There are too many examples of this that only burden the poors. Americans are literally taxed to death


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You clearly have no idea what the term "tax" means. Let's consult a dictionary:

a compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits, or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.

Ok... so we have a clear definition... and a traffic ticket clearly isn't a tax.

While I agree with your notion that "Americans are taxed to death".. it's because we sit there and take it. We keep giving local, state and federal governments the thumbs up when they pass another tax and we just bend over and take it.. instead of addressing the real problem: Government spends way too much fucking money on things it has no business spending money on. It's because to government employees, this isn't real money because if they spend it all.. there's no real consequences to them. We don't have a budget at all we need to remain inside of... and if we do, our "leaders" just vote in a bigger budget and borrow even more money so they can spend even more fucking money on things they have no business spending money on.

Also: Sorry.. I don't include taxes on cigarettes, weed and alcohol since each of those you can live without... and those taxes are levied on those items as punishment in a vain attempt to change the behavior of the user.

[Neveragain]

Bryce is right in that over the last fifty years, both the poor and middle class have been getting poorer, while the wealthiest 1% thrive at the expense of all others.

Where the argument goes awry is that they get more income tax back. In reality, PB is quite right that refundable tax credits pay out far more than taxes are paid in. This has had the direct effect of stimulating the economy, but it's had the indirect and toxic effect of creating an expectation of entitlement. The idea someone can make X thousands of dollars in refundable credits, while having all of their needs met by welfare programs, or by concealing self employment, has spurred a desire to do the least amount possible to earn the highest benefit. It's not sustainable.

Corporations on the other hand /are/ suffering due to the labor participation rank beginning a really epic plunge since 2000. I don't know the reason for it and haven't researched it thoroughly, but one can look at the can of worms being cracked open in 1997 with the creation of refundable tax credits. Problem is now they're in place, no one really wants to be the party responsible to destroy them and both Democrats and Republicans have had a hand in increasing refundable credits.

So where are we now? Lower labor participation, an entitlement society, sensitivity and epic triggering of feels, but not solution. Hopefully it comes.

Every citizen has a vested interest in children. The child tax credit is amongst the most positive tax investments we have in this country.

"Do your part for the future of humanity, have children." should be our nations #1 priority.

[Parkbandit]

Every citizen has a vested interest in children. The child tax credit is amongst the most positive tax investments we have in this country.

"Do your part for the future of humanity, have children." should be our nations #1 priority.

Government shouldn't be paying people to have babies.

Government should be creating a safe and stable environment for people to have children.

[Gelston]

Apparently Russian intelligence created a fake assassination attempt, blaming it on Ukrainian NeoNazis. They had swastika shirts and Hitler memorabilia in a stash they showed. Also, the copies of the game The Sims. Common thought is the agent in charge of creating this stash confused Sim Cards with the game The Sims.

[Neveragain]

Government shouldn't be paying people to have babies.

Government should be creating a safe and stable environment for people to have children.

Government isn't "paying people to have babies". The government is investing in the future taxpayer, so we have people competent enough to wipe your ass instead of sitting in a pile of your own excrement when you're 80.

You're simply having another "shake your fist at the sky" boomer moment.

[Parkbandit]

Government isn't "paying people to have babies". The government is investing in the future taxpayer, so we have people competent enough to wipe your ass instead of sitting in a pile of your own excrement when you're 80.

You're simply having another "shake your fist at the sky" boomer moment.

If you are on government assistance and pay no income tax, the government is literally paying you to have children.

You should know this, given your lifetime on government assistance.

[Seran]

Every citizen has a vested interest in children. The child tax credit is amongst the most positive tax investments we have in this country.

"Do your part for the future of humanity, have children." should be our nations #1 priority.

When people have children for the sake of being cared for by the state, only the children suffer. Why should we incentivize breeding at the cost of increasing amounts of child neglect or suffering?