Is Tesla Doomed?

A sign or worse things to come, or a temporary setback?

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Tesla Cybertruck Inventory Hits Crisis Levels as Pension Funds Ditch Company Stock

The crisis goes international as Denmark dumps its $20 billion Tesla stake and the largest pension fund in the Netherlands ditches its $600 million stake.

Tesla’s Cybertruck program appears to be spiraling toward catastrophe as unsold inventory skyrockets to a record-breaking 10,000 units, according to a new report.

With low demand and backlash over the active role its chief executive, Elon Musk, has taken in the Trump administration, the company is facing some of its toughest challenges since the divisive electric truck’s debut.

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Ernest S. Harbaugh, a Cybertruck owner from Ohio, states that 28 children laughed at his Cybertruck after a minor problem resulted in it being towed on a flatbed.

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His sad story is that he could not get his trunk open to retrieve his son's baseball glove. When he tried to drive home to get an alternate glove, the "smart" car detected that the trunk was not fully closed and, as a result, refused to move in excess of 15 mph, making his drive home impossible. It had to be towed so that Tesla technicians could reset it. I can only imagine how humiliated his son was that he could not play baseball because his family owned a Tesla.

At least they were laughing at the Cybertruck and not at Mr. Harbaugh, who apparently had plenty of time to count the exact number of laughing children.

Even Tesla employees are calling for Musk to be replaced. Read their words below..

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The damage done to Elon’s personal brand is now irreversible and as the public face of Tesla, that damage has become our burden. We are now at a crossroads: continue with Elon as CEO and face further decline as customers abandon the brand, or move forward without him and allow our products and mission to succeed or fail on their own.

We vote for the latter. It’s time to say the quiet part out loud.

Elon’s recent claim that he is “refocusing” on Tesla is not only tone-deaf, it’s insulting. It implies that the hardships of the past six months stem from a lack of his attention, not from his actions. It shifts the blame onto the very people who have held this company together. Let’s be clear: we are not the problem. Our products are not the problem. Our engineering, service, and delivery teams are not the problem. The problem is demand. The problem is Elon.

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Right now Telsa is up 6%

From January..

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A Dutch civil-service pension fund has sold its entire stake in Tesla over disapproval of CEO Elon Musk's pay package and working conditions at the company, a report says.

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Whoever made that decision in January must look like a hero in his office right now, considering how much value Tesla stock has fallen since then. When he walks by, people whisper, "That's the guy who saved our retirement."

Europeans appear more upset with Musk than Americans are upset with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw4ZjhOukwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw4ZjhOukwU

The WW2 veteran in the video doesn't look 98. He's the real deal. I looked him up.

A Thread For ClydeR

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"What we found here is clear enough. This is not a random glitch," FuelArc stated. "It wasn't a single vehicle or a one-off lemon. Tesla odometer complaints are scattered across years, models, and continents, and the pattern is not subtle: lots more miles added, no miles subtracted."

Why is this important?
Odometer fraud — if proved true, which is far from the case as things stand — could be yet another reason why customers might shy away from purchasing Teslas. The adoption of electric vehicles is a crucial step in combating rising global temperatures and mitigating the effects of the changing climate. When they replace fuel-burning cars, EVs help cut carbon pollution and improve air quality, which reduces health issues related to air pollution.

Also, false odometer readings can impact the livelihoods of drivers. As FuelArc noted: "Mileage is real money. It impacts insurance costs, lease terms, resale values, and most importantly from an auto manufacturer's point of view, warranty coverage."

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More miles means a shorter warranty. A shorter warranty means lower warranty costs for the manufacturer. Needs to be investigated.

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The data comes from S&P Global and shows that the automaker's insurance subsidiary took a loss ratio of 103.3 in 2024. The loss ratio, for those who don't know, is the amount of money that Tesla pays out per claim versus the money it takes in from premiums. The lower the number, the better, and break-even is a flat 100. In 2024, the rest of the industry averaged 66.1.

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Another issue has been customer satisfaction with Tesla's insurance. Owners online have sounded the alarm since the company first started offering to cover cars. The internet is peppered with horror stories about long repair times, poor communication, hours on hold waiting to talk to a human (the highest I've seen online is nearly 7 hours) and frustrating claim processes. Tesla might promise a streamlined process to insurance, but the actual execution once a payout is needed seems to be about as efficient as a traffic jam.

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Tesla shareholders are losing money on Tesla's insurance endeavors. There has historically been a tenuous connection between Tesla's profitability and its stock price. The chickens are coming home to roost.

It's sad. Elon was really in a position to be a real hero to humanity until he revealed the white nationalist bullshit. That erases all the potential good he was working on. He wasn't doing it for humanity only certain people.

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Originally Posted by Back

It's sad. Elon was really in a position to be a real hero to humanity until he revealed the white nationalist bullshit. That erases all the potential good he was working on. He wasn't doing it for humanity only certain people.

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What is white nationalist bullshit?

Buying Twitter and firing the censorship moderators? They do that work for free now on sub Reddits & BlueSky…you can still get your propaganda fix.

His work at DOGE? You’re complaining about a billionaire that devoted his own time and resources to work for free to rid the government of unnecessary waste, fraud, and abuse of our tax dollars.

Tell us all specifically what “white nationalists bullshit” makes you hate him so much more than all the other super rich?

A parking garage at the Jacksonville airport burned today, causing the airport to shut down. Until they can be made safer and easier to extinguish, battery powered cars should be allowed only in ground-level outdoor parking spaces.

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In a press conference, Mayor Donna Deegan said there were about 50 cars that were damaged from the fire that was still burning, but under control. Deegan also said the fire started on the second floor with one car and spread to other cars.

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“Our firefighters went in and started getting those folks that were in the garage out of there and begin to actively fight the fire,” Powers said. “We have to be able to get inside of the vehicles, under the hood, inside the compartment space, to fully extinguish it.”

He said there was a partial collapse on the second and third floors, then a secondary collapse about 30 minutes later.

“We’re not putting firefighters in there. We’re using drones to look for anybody that could be in there...but we won’t know until we can get in there and physically verify...this is going to be a long, long process, obviously similar to what we dealt with at the St. Vincent’s parking garage,” Powers said.

He said the cars in both garages will not be accessible for a while.

Powers also said that they have video of the fire starting, but could not confirm what type of vehicle ignited the fire.

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If you live in a place that has, or is getting ready to have, full self-driving Tesla robotaxis, please don't get in one of them, and give them a wide berth if you see one while you're driving.

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Given the positive experiences we've had with Waymo and Tesla's FSD, we expected the results of our not-so-scientific test to come down to minute details — maybe by how many times the AI-driver would hesitate or if it would make a curious lane change for no apparent reason.

That didn't happen. Instead, the Tesla made an egregious error that handed Waymo the clear win.

Here's how it went down.

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This video from two years ago explains why it is so difficult to put out a Tesla fire..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5vDWhMHTwE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5vDWhMHTwE

Tesla doors won't always open when the vehicle catches fire..

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CHP officers say two men were inside when they noticed smoke coming out of the front of their Tesla 3.

The CHP says the two men said they pulled over but could not open the doors.

They were trapped inside.

We're told one of them broke a window and both were able to get out without any injuries.

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Lucky for them, the windows aren't actually bulletproof.

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Originally Posted by Back

I am made of 100% estrogen.

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This is correct.

The problem of Teslas spontaneously combusting is getting noticed.

Teslas can combust if

• A battery cell fails,
• Salt water gets on them, as happened in at least one hurricane,
• The battery charger is improperly installed,
• The Tesla is involved in a crash,
• The owner fails to follow proper maintenance,
• The owner modifies the vehicle, or
• The Tesla is stored in a place with inadequate ventilation.

All electric vehicles have a fire rate of about 25-55 vehicles per 100,000
All combustion vehicles have a fire rate of about 1500-1530 vehicles per 100,000

Tesla has one of the lowest rates in the automobile industry, accounting for approximately 0.08%

I do love how your MDS has gone full blown though...

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

What is white nationalist bullshit?

Buying Twitter and firing the censorship moderators? They do that work for free now on sub Reddits & BlueSky…you can still get your propaganda fix.

His work at DOGE? You’re complaining about a billionaire that devoted his own time and resources to work for free to rid the government of unnecessary waste, fraud, and abuse of our tax dollars.

Tell us all specifically what “white nationalists bullshit” makes you hate him so much more than all the other super rich?

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First off to be clear I don't hate billionaires. I just have a big issue with the American tax system that heavily favors the billionaire over everyone else.

What Elon did and does with Twitter/X can't be waved away with a suggestion to just not look at it.

He supports anti-immigrant movements all around the globe and his influence is massive.

I'm not surprised how many people defend him considering how our culture worships the ultra wealthy probably more than any god. Greed as a motivator is a real poison to the human race.

Letting Elon decide what the federal government spends money on was the biggest mistake in human history. You guys are so quick to sell out all the services that make our lives easier and does so much good around the world in the hands of someone who has no idea what life is like in the real world the rest of us live in.

The technocrat billionaires currently calling the shots Don't give a fuck about us. In fact they probably see us as in the way to real progress. You will never see any return on all that cut "fraud and waste".

That big budget the spineless repubs are letting get shoved up our asses is raising the debt ceiling, cutting our services, cutting regulations that make us all safe, and letting the rich keep all the tax cuts they got from Trump's first term.

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Originally Posted by Back

First off to be clear I don't hate billionaires. I just have a big issue with the American tax system that heavily favors the billionaire over everyone else.

What Elon did and does with Twitter/X can't be waved away with a suggestion to just not look at it.

He supports anti-immigrant movements all around the globe and his influence is massive.

I'm not surprised how many people defend him considering how our culture worships the ultra wealthy probably more than any god. Greed as a motivator is a real poison to the human race.

Letting Elon decide what the federal government spends money on was the biggest mistake in human history. You guys are so quick to sell out all the services that make our lives easier and does so much good around the world in the hands of someone who has no idea what life is like in the real world the rest of us live in.

The technocrat billionaires currently calling the shots Don't give a fuck about us. In fact they probably see us as in the way to real progress. You will never see any return on all that cut "fraud and waste".

That big budget the spineless repubs are letting get shoved up our asses is raising the debt ceiling, cutting our services, cutting regulations that make us all safe, and letting the rich keep all the tax cuts they got from Trump's first term.

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The only part that you answered my question was saying that “he supports anti-immigration movements all around the globe.” Nothing is further from the truth. Elon Musk is an immigrant. He also recently affirmed his support for the H-1B visa program in contrast with many hardline conservatives.

If you were able to look at the merits of DOGE spending cuts and see past your hatred for Elon Musk, I believe even you would agree that such blatant wasteful spending is wrong.

Last, I just don’t see you having this same level of contempt towards George Soros or Bill Gates or Michael Bloomberg. All of those people have substantial wealth & have greatly influenced American politics. Why is that?

Musk is giving future business leaders a case study in how to destroy the reputation of a successful company.

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The Cybertruck was meant to be a home run for Tesla with annual planned production to exceed 250,000 units. That did not happen. Elon Musk’s political moves before and after the election, his support for Germany’s right-wing AfD party and his cutthroat actions with DOGE pretty much turned the whole world against the once popular electric car brand. Tesla sales are down literally everywhere. Indeed, analysts and commentators are asking—can the company survive?

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Originally Posted by Back

First off to be clear I don't hate billionaires. I just have a big issue with the American tax system that heavily favors the billionaire over everyone else.

What Elon did and does with Twitter/X can't be waved away with a suggestion to just not look at it.

He supports anti-immigrant movements all around the globe and his influence is massive.

I'm not surprised how many people defend him considering how our culture worships the ultra wealthy probably more than any god. Greed as a motivator is a real poison to the human race.

Letting Elon decide what the federal government spends money on was the biggest mistake in human history. You guys are so quick to sell out all the services that make our lives easier and does so much good around the world in the hands of someone who has no idea what life is like in the real world the rest of us live in.

The technocrat billionaires currently calling the shots Don't give a fuck about us. In fact they probably see us as in the way to real progress. You will never see any return on all that cut "fraud and waste".

That big budget the spineless repubs are letting get shoved up our asses is raising the debt ceiling, cutting our services, cutting regulations that make us all safe, and letting the rich keep all the tax cuts they got from Trump's first term.

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Originally Posted by ClydeR

Musk is giving future business leaders a case study in how to destroy the reputation of a successful company.

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It's giving political "scientists" more of a case study in Leftist/Fascist violence than anything else. The Brown Shirts would be proud.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

The only part that you answered my question was saying that “he supports anti-immigration movements all around the globe.” Nothing is further from the truth. Elon Musk is an immigrant. He also recently affirmed his support for the H-1B visa program in contrast with many hardline conservatives.

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If it benefits his business sure he's for it. But on the global stage he is backing Trump in the US, AFD in Germany, and promoting anti-immigrant BS on X everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

If you were able to look at the merits of DOGE spending cuts and see past your hatred for Elon Musk, I believe even you would agree that such blatant wasteful spending is wrong.

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No one has ever said don't cut waste but what Trump and Elon have done is not only put hundreds probably thousands of people our of a job they cut back on legitimate services for the American people that they deem wasteful from up in their ivory towers. These services have been put in place in a bipartisan way over the years by both parties. To claim its all democrat waste is a straight up lie because both parties run our government.

Don't get me started on how we the American people now have to suffer with less because our government can't balance a budget. It's the politician's fault if our government can't pay it's bills. We should not have to pay to fix it. They are responsible and should be held accountable.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

Last, I just don’t see you having this same level of contempt towards George Soros or Bill Gates or Michael Bloomberg. All of those people have substantial wealth & have greatly influenced American politics. Why is that?

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You never asked. You are so quick to judge and assume. Give a guy a chance to speak his mind. When I say we need money out of politics I mean all money from all sources.

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Originally Posted by Back

First off to be clear I don't hate billionaires. I just have a big issue with the American tax system that heavily favors the billionaire over everyone else.

What Elon did and does with Twitter/X can't be waved away with a suggestion to just not look at it.

He supports anti-immigrant movements all around the globe and his influence is massive.

I'm not surprised how many people defend him considering how our culture worships the ultra wealthy probably more than any god. Greed as a motivator is a real poison to the human race.

Letting Elon decide what the federal government spends money on was the biggest mistake in human history. You guys are so quick to sell out all the services that make our lives easier and does so much good around the world in the hands of someone who has no idea what life is like in the real world the rest of us live in.

The technocrat billionaires currently calling the shots Don't give a fuck about us. In fact they probably see us as in the way to real progress. You will never see any return on all that cut "fraud and waste".

That big budget the spineless repubs are letting get shoved up our asses is raising the debt ceiling, cutting our services, cutting regulations that make us all safe, and letting the rich keep all the tax cuts they got from Trump's first term.

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Jesus fucking Christ....

Backlash, your post is like a word salad tossed with every tired cliche from Reddit and Twitter circa 2017, drenched in sanctimony, and served without a single coherent point. You say you don’t hate billionaires, then proceed to vomit up every line of billionaire-hating drivel as if you’re auditioning for a role as Bernie Sanders' personal diary. I can’t believe you forgot using the word “oligarchy”.

You blame Elon Musk for… what, exactly? Running a company you don’t like? Ruining Twitter as your own echo chamber? Having political opinions? Existing? The idea that Musk “decides what the federal government spends money on” isn’t just wrong, it’s literally retarded. You sound like someone who just discovered the word “technocrat” and thinks it makes any rambling paranoid thought automatically profound. SPOILER: It doesn’t.

You talk about greed poisoning the human race while demanding more government spending funded by someone else’s work. SPOILER2: confiscating other people’s money and funneling it into bloated bureaucracies doesn’t make you virtuous. It makes you lazy, ignorant and delusional about how the real world works. And stop acting like services are getting "cut" because people like Musk exist. They're getting cut because the government runs like it’s not their money, not because billionaires aren't handing over their organs for harvesting. You don’t speak for “the rest of us”… you speak for a subset of perpetually outraged, estrogen fueled keyboard shieldmaidens who think every success story is a crime scene.

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Originally Posted by Back

If it benefits his business sure he's for it. But on the global stage he is backing Trump in the US, AFD in Germany, and promoting anti-immigrant BS on X everywhere.



No one has ever said don't cut waste but what Trump and Elon have done is not only put hundreds probably thousands of people our of a job they cut back on legitimate services for the American people that they deem wasteful from up in their ivory towers. These services have been put in place in a bipartisan way over the years by both parties. To claim its all democrat waste is a straight up lie because both parties run our government.

Don't get me started on how we the American people now have to suffer with less because our government can't balance a budget. It's the politician's fault if our government can't pay it's bills. We should not have to pay to fix it. They are responsible and should be held accountable.



You never asked. You are so quick to judge and assume. Give a guy a chance to speak his mind. When I say we need money out of politics I mean all money from all sources.

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Here's a great example of how stupid people are easily brainwashed.

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Originally Posted by Back

If it benefits his business sure he's for it.

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Like most normal people?

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But on the global stage he is backing Trump in the US

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So are most normal people.

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AFD in Germany, and promoting anti-immigrant BS on X everywhere.

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Confusing immigration and illegal immigration yet again.. shocking.

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No one has ever said don't cut waste but what Trump and Elon have done is not only put hundreds probably thousands of people our of a job they cut back on legitimate services for the American people that they deem wasteful from up in their ivory towers. These services have been put in place in a bipartisan way over the years by both parties. To claim its all democrat waste is a straight up lie because both parties run our government.

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It wasn't bi-partisan for the past 4 years as Biden's puppet masters bloated the government by hundreds of thousands employees and increased spending 40%.

It's not all Democrat, just a vast majority of it... which is why you are told to be upset about it.

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Don't get me started on how we the American people now have to suffer with less because our government can't balance a budget. It's the politician's fault if our government can't pay it's bills. We should not have to pay to fix it. They are responsible and should be held accountable.

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They are supposed to be held accountable at the voting booth... but if that were really the case, Democrats would have long been extinct in this country.

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You never asked. You are so quick to judge and assume. Give a guy a chance to speak his mind. When I say we need money out of politics I mean all money from all sources.

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No one asked you about Trump or Musk... but here you are posting about them every chance you get. Why not post about other billionaires that agree with your slanted world view.. like Soros or Gates?

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Confusing immigration and illegal immigration yet again.. shocking.

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We are well past this just being an "illegal" immigrant issue. This is full blown racially motivated revocation of human rights. Disappearing people with no criminal records to concentration camps without due process? If you're ok with it just own it and say so because you're not fooling anyone. That ghoul Steven Miller is more than happy to suspend rights for people he deems not worthy of them. And it may just be immigrants now but it's eventually going to be people this administration believes are political opposition or "treasonous" homegrown or not. Ovens are next.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

It wasn't bi-partisan for the past 4 years as Biden's puppet masters bloated the government by hundreds of thousands employees and increased spending 40%.

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Bullshit. Our government has operated in a bipartisan fashion for a long time. Any spending has been approved by both parties in one form or another. Both parties are responsible for all spending and debt.

I've said this many times but it still has not stuck with you or anyone else here. The difference between democrats and republicans is that the constituents tell the democratic leaders what they want while the republican leaders tell their constituents what they want. I have to hand it to the republicans... their feedback loop of republican leader creating a problem, the constituency believing them and voting them into office to fix it is very very tight. Like a 24 hour turn around in the right wing media sphere.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

They are supposed to be held accountable at the voting booth... but if that were really the case, Democrats would have long been extinct in this country.

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Yeah yeah yeah. Since Nixon the democrats have had to fix all the problems caused by the republican party.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

No one asked you about Trump or Musk... but here you are posting about them every chance you get. Why not post about other billionaires that agree with your slanted world view.. like Soros or Gates?

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This thread is about Tesla and Musk, genius. Here you are shitting up another thread with your personal attack bullshit. If you want to talk about Soros or whoever you hate this week you have every right to start a thread about it.

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Originally Posted by Back

We are well past this just being an "illegal" immigrant issue. This is full blown racially motivated revocation of human rights. Disappearing people with no criminal records to concentration camps without due process? If you're ok with it just own it and say so because you're not fooling anyone. That ghoul Steven Miller is more than happy to suspend rights for people he deems not worthy of them. And it may just be immigrants now but it's eventually going to be people this administration believes are political opposition or "treasonous" homegrown or not. Ovens are next.

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You conflate concern over illegal immigration with some imagined “racially motivated revocation of human rights,” then immediately jump to Holocaust analogies. That’s not argumentation, that’s retarded hysteria. Invoking “concentration camps” and “ovens” is grotesque and lazy, especially when applied to immigration detention centers that... like it or not... have existed across multiple administrations, including the one you voted for. They called Obama the "Deporter in Chief" yet I don't remember you playing the role of Chicken Little during that time period. If everything you disagree with is literally fascism, then nothing is.

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Bullshit. Our government has operated in a bipartisan fashion for a long time. Any spending has been approved by both parties in one form or another. Both parties are responsible for all spending and debt.

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Let's look at the 2 major spending votes that happened outside the budget and over the Biden Administration:

American Rescue Plan Act - 2021 1.9 trillion dollars

HOUSE: Democrats Yes(220) No(1) Republicans Yes (0) No (210)
SENATE: Democrats/Independents Yes (50) No (0) Republicans Yes (0) No (49)

Inflation Reduction Act - 737 billion

HOUSE: Democrats Yes(220) No(1) Republicans Yes (0) No (207)
SENATE: Democrats/Independents Yes (50) No (0) Republicans Yes (0) No (50)
VP Harris: Yes

And yes, this country’s spending has exploded. Your excuse that “both parties approved it” is exactly the problem. Democrats lead, Republicans cave, and we all get stuck with the bill. But you want to pretend bipartisanship means everyone’s equally responsible? Convenient.

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I've said this many times but it still has not stuck with you or anyone else here. The difference between democrats and republicans is that the constituents tell the democratic leaders what they want while the republican leaders tell their constituents what they want. I have to hand it to the republicans... their feedback loop of republican leader creating a problem, the constituency believing them and voting them into office to fix it is very very tight. Like a 24 hour turn around in the right wing media sphere.

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As for your laughable “feedback loop” theory... give me a break. The only tight loop here is the one between leftist talking heads feeding you doomsday narratives and you regurgitating them uncritically. You accuse the right of being manipulated by media while you’re out here parroting MSNBC fever dreams about impending authoritarianism.

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Yeah yeah yeah. Since Nixon the democrats have had to fix all the problems caused by the republican party.

This thread is about Tesla and Musk, genius. Here you are shitting up another thread with your personal attack bullshit. If you want to talk about Soros or whoever you hate this week you have every right to start a thread about it.

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Musk threatens your narrative, so you frame him as some dangerous oligarch. But if someone brings up a left-wing billionaire doing the same or worse? “Thread derailment!” You don’t want conversation...

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Originally Posted by Back

We are well past this just being an "illegal" immigrant issue.

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I noticed you put illegal in quotations, and you affirmed PB’s point in the very first sentence of your response…

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Originally Posted by Back

The difference between democrats and republicans is that the constituents tell the democratic leaders what they want while the republican leaders tell their constituents what they want.

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Trump campaigned on all of this. And then the majority voted for him.

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This thread is about Tesla and Musk, genius. Here you are shitting up another thread with your personal attack bullshit. If you want to talk about Soros or whoever you hate this week you have every right to start a thread about it.

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Elon thinks Soros is a piece of shit. Your thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Methais

Trump campaigned on all of this. And then the majority voted for him.



Elon thinks Soros is a piece of shit. Your thoughts?

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Only 22% of the American population voted for Trump. While it was enough to win it is not a majority of Americans. In fact you can say the majority of Americans did not vote for Trump.

I no longer trust Elon's opinion on anything.

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Originally Posted by Back

Only 22% of the American population voted for Trump. While it was enough to win it is not a majority of Americans. In fact you can say the majority of Americans did not vote for Trump.

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Don’t OD on that copium, loser.
https://i.redd.it/47b0myhikzi61.jpg

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Originally Posted by Back

Only 22% of the American population voted for Trump. While it was enough to win it is not a majority of Americans. In fact you can say the majority of Americans did not vote for Trump.

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That's not how voting works in the US.

The majority of Americans that voted, voted for Trump and exactly what he is doing now.

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I no longer trust Elon's opinion on anything.

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You don't want conversation...

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

I noticed you put illegal in quotations, and you affirmed PB’s point in the very first sentence of your response…

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It requires very little effort to know how a retard thinks.

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Originally Posted by Back

Only 22% of the American population voted for Trump. While it was enough to win it is not a majority of Americans. In fact you can say the majority of Americans did not vote for Trump.

I no longer trust Elon's opinion on anything.

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https://youtu.be/jKQMPTnrQ04?si=li4QIQ8m6p76DJoW

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

It requires very little effort to know how a retard thinks.

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You say you have little patience for the retards, but I honestly don’t think you give yourself enough credit. I consider myself to be decent at getting them engaged in conversation on the PC & explaining their position, but then after a long ridiculous retarded response I get demotivated. You consistently point out the stupidity in every one with detail. If he had any sense, Back should be thanking you for the educational feedback.

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Originally Posted by ClydeR

Tesla doors won't always open when the vehicle catches fire.

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It's even worse than I thought..

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Tesla owners have started doing something wild… installing DIY emergency escape rip cords inside their vehicles so their passengers don’t get trapped if the car catches fire. That’s not a joke. That’s just how badly the doors are designed.

Here’s why: Tesla doors are entirely electronic. When you want to get out, you hit a button. But in a crash or fire, the car’s power can cut out, leaving you with only the mechanical backup. The only problem is a Tesla door’s emergency release is typically unlabeled and absurdly well-hidden.

So, owners are taking matters into their own hands, rigging up rip cords to the emergency releases. The mods range from factory-built third-party hardware to absolute zip-ties-and-a-prayer kind of builds. Some even add glow-in-the-dark labels or bright tabs so kids can find them in the dark.

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If you are unfortunate enough to have a Tesla, you should get emergency rip cords ASAP. And while you're at it, get a glass breaker so you won't drown in a Tesla like Mitch McConnell's sister-in-law.

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If you are unfortunate enough to have a Tesla, you should get emergency rip cords ASAP. And while you're at it, get a glass breaker so you won't drown in a Tesla like Mitch McConnell's sister-in-law.

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It’s retards like you that force Planters to put a warning label on the package: “This product may contain peanuts.”

If you can’t figure this out, you have no business owning an automobile:

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/atta...at-jpg.492495/

As for a glass breaker or just a makeshift item that can be used to escape from any make / model, that’s not a bad idea to have in case of emergency.

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You say you have little patience for the retards, but I honestly don’t think you give yourself enough credit. I consider myself to be decent at getting them engaged in conversation on the PC & explaining their position, but then after a long ridiculous retarded response I get demotivated. You consistently point out the stupidity in every one with detail. If he had any sense, Back should be thanking you for the educational feedback.

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It's been a long road, but I thank you for noticing I'm trying to be better.

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It’s retards like you that force Planters to put a warning label on the package: “This product may contain peanuts.”

If you can’t figure this out, you have no business owning an automobile:

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/atta...at-jpg.492495/

As for a glass breaker or just a makeshift item that can be used to escape from any make / model, that’s not a bad idea to have in case of emergency.

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I have one of these in every one of my vehicles on the driver side visor.

www.amazon.com/dp/B01CMVW5SE

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I have one of these in every one of my vehicles on the driver side visor.

www.amazon.com/dp/B01CMVW5SE

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I have something similar, but I keep in in my huge glove box so that all important items are in the same place, like tissues, flashlight, ice scraper, owner manuals, insurance cards. tire gauge, hand sanitizer, paper and pen - space pen, of course - lint roller, face mask, and old maps.

Another nice parking garage spoiled by a Tesla..

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I have something similar, but I keep in in my huge glove box so that all important items are in the same place, like tissues, flashlight, ice scraper, owner manuals, insurance cards. tire gauge, hand sanitizer, paper and pen - space pen, of course - lint roller, face mask, and old maps.

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There is no way:

1) You own a car
2) You drive a car
3) You don't have a travel size emotional support tiara in your glove box

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I have something similar, but I keep in in my huge glove box so that all important items are in the same place, like tissues, flashlight, ice scraper, owner manuals, insurance cards. tire gauge, hand sanitizer, paper and pen - space pen, of course - lint roller, face mask, and old maps.

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I would imagine your cheap Chinese butt plug isn’t great for breaking glass, nor do you possess the strength necessary to apply the minimum force required even if you had a proper tool. Consider adding one of those fall alert devices designed for the elderly and a rape whistle so you can call for help.

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I have something similar, but I keep in in my huge glove box so that all important items are in the same place, like tissues, flashlight, ice scraper, owner manuals, insurance cards. tire gauge, hand sanitizer, paper and pen - space pen, of course - lint roller, face mask, and old maps.

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In a car accident, you likely won't be able to reach your glove box. So, keep doing it that way.

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I would imagine your cheap Chinese butt plug isn’t great for breaking glass, nor do you possess the strength necessary to apply the minimum force required even if you had a proper tool. Consider adding one of those fall alert devices designed for the elderly and a rape whistle so you can call for help.

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Imagine the disappointment that several of our Leftist board members felt when they first found out that a rape whistle wasn't something you could blow in order to have people come and rape you on demand.

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Only 22% of the American population voted for Trump. While it was enough to win it is not a majority of Americans. In fact you can say the majority of Americans did not vote for Trump.

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What a weak fucking cope :rofl:

What percentage voted for Kamala?

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I have something similar, but I keep in in my huge glove box so that all important items are in the same place, like tissues, flashlight, ice scraper, owner manuals, insurance cards. tire gauge, hand sanitizer, paper and pen - space pen, of course - lint roller, face mask, and old maps.

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No you don't. You haven't left the house in years except for that one time in 2020 when your mommy took you to the deli at the grocery store to show you how to buy cold cuts.

You haven't come out from under your adult sized crib since then.

As if you could handle driving without shitting your pants constantly until you eventually crash through your own garage.

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Imagine the disappointment that several of our Leftist board members felt when they first found out that a rape whistle wasn't something you could blow in order to have people come and rape you on demand.

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E Jean Carroll was probably the most disappointed, being that she thinks rape is hot and sexy and all that.

That reminds me, that's another big dem lie that Back is still falling for.

Now is the time for us to remember the Ford Pinto.

Ford marketed the Pinto as "The Little Carefree Car" when they introduced it in 1970. It was a popular affordable fuel-efficient two-door subcompact. Ford sold millions of them. There was just one problem. Pintos tended to explode if anybody rear ended them, even at low speeds.

A horrible fire resulting from a low speed collision in California in 1972 became the subject of a lawsuit that made its way slowly through the courts until culminating in a landmark ruling in 1981 by the California Court of Appeals. The large award -- the largest at that point in history -- to the surviving injured child reshaped the landscape for product liability damage awards.

More about the case.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimshaw_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

Why is now the time to remember the Pinto? Because Tesla.

Jacksonville officials dispel rumor that garage fire at airport was started by a Tesla
JAA confirms fire began with a car, adds it is exploring possibility that hybrid car ‘may have been involved’

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/...ed-by-a-tesla/

The truth doesn’t care about ClydeR’s feelings.

The tariffs and Musk's personal unpopularity are driving down Tesla's global market share.

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May 22 (Reuters) - Chinese automaker BYD sold more electric vehicles in Europe than Tesla (TSLA.O), opens new tab for the first time, according to a report by JATO Dynamics, as an aging model lineup and CEO Elon Musk's politics hurt demand for the U.S. EV maker's cars.

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Tesla stock is still going up... now at $346/share.

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Serious question: Does your mommy cut the crust off of your PB&J sandwiches?

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You know damn well ClydeR has a peanut allergy.

His mommy makes him a tofu sandwich with gluten free quinoa bread served with a cup of soy milk that he drinks through a paper straw. And yes, she cuts off the crust.

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You know damn well ClydeR has a peanut allergy.

His mommy makes him a tofu sandwich with gluten free quinoa bread served with a cup of soy milk that he drinks through a paper straw. And yes, she cuts off the crust.

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Is that the face you make on the shitter when you record & post your fart noises?

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Is that the face you make on the shitter when you record & post your fart noises?

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He doesn't like you making fun of the 2nd dumbest person on this forum... his heir apparent.

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Is that the face you make on the shitter when you record & post your fart noises?

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That's you tryhards coming up with personal attacks instead of having a discussion like normal adults. Jeez, do I have to explain everything?

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That's you tryhards coming up with personal attacks instead of having a discussion like normal adults. Jeez, do I have to explain everything?

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Like everything else you attempt.. you're not good at gifs.

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Like everything else you attempt.. you're not good at gifs.

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Bro why are you guys so angry and upset all the time! Lifes too short man you got to chill!!!

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https://media.tenor.com/z7mnajCihNwA...ath-ledger.gif

Bro why are you guys so angry and upset all the time! Lifes too short man you got to chill!!!

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Nobody is angry. I’ll do my best to explain…

Some posts are so monumentally retarded they are undeserving of civil discourse. As an example, if someone were to claim our world is actually flat and quoted some opinion article by a flat-earther (trying to find something we can agree is absurd with this example) do you feel compelled to have an honest good-faith discussion on that topic? Maybe you would. I don’t have that kind of time or patience. Best to call said person a retard and move on.

ClydeR’s daily EDS rant about how Tesla is “doomed” is undeserving of an adult conversation. Nobody is mad. In fact, I quite enjoy ClydeR’s ridiculous posts. That doesn’t mean, however, that it deserves cordial civil dialogue. Same goes for you when you post incredibly ridiculous nonsense like “might as well be ovens” or whatever stupid thing you posted not long ago. I’ll just take the opportunity to make fun of you for those things. If, however, you do have something compelling to write and it’s based in reality…I’ll likely engage you in such civil discourse.

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Bro why are you guys so angry and upset all the time! Lifes too short man you got to chill!!!

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I can't speak for anyone else, but there is zero anger from me.

And I never get "upset"... because, unlike you, I have my emotions in constant check.

I just call it like I see it. You aren't good at anything I have ever witnessed in your 20+ years of posting here.

The .gif you posted made zero sense in the context. Like at all.

Thus my post.

I hope this helps you understand, but if history is any indicator.. I doubt it will help.

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Is that the face you make on the shitter when you record & post your fart noises?

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You saying "tofu sandwich with gluten free quinoa bread served with a cup of soy milk" sent him into withdrawals since it's been like 3 hours since he had one.

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Stop projecting. No one is angry with or at you. Just pity and entertainment.

The Musk effect..

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By the numbers: Tesla was in 8th place in the 2021 reputation ranking of America's 100 most visible companies, but last year tumbled to 63rd and now is near the very bottom at 95th.

• It placed dead last in "character," while placing near the bottom in areas like "ethics" and "citizenship."
• Six other automakers place higher, with the highest being Toyota at No. 4 and the lowest being Ford at No. 60.

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For Back’s sake and in the effort of civil dialogue I’ll engage just this once.

Steve Jobs was an asshole. He wasn’t a philanthropist. He had an ego arguably even bigger than Trump. He was outspoken for his time. He took credit for ideas that were not his own. He ran Apple with an iron fist and generally treated his direct employees like shit. What he was great at is identifying markets and applying innovative products to enrich people’s lives.

I say all this for a couple reasons.

1) Corporate image and these rankings mean a lot less than you think it does. People didn’t buy the iMac, iPod, iPhone, etc. because of how they felt about Steve Jobs or Apple as a feel good company. People don’t really care about Chick-Fil-A being a good Christian company that is closed on Sundays. Yeah people say they care about it but few actually do. They’re successful because they make a damn good chicken sandwich and their establishments are family friendly. In a year or two just as Tesla replaces their model lineup and people forget about Musk & DOGE when they are chasing the next news cycle, liberals will be preordering their new cars.

2) You can think whatever you want about Musk and politics, but you sound like a dumbfuck loser to deny that he is a successful innovator and businessman. You made this mistake before as well when you ridiculed Bill Gates for not doing so great in a game of chess. People can be brilliant in one area but that doesn’t apply to all things in life. I myself have no real interest in Teslas because I’ve always enjoyed combustion engines & will be a hold out on old school technology, but I can’t deny they are great cars for what they are. What Elon has done with Tesla is incredible. People told him (myself would be in this category back then) it is impossible to create and come to market in America an automotive company. Try your best to see past your EDS and give the man credit where credit is due.

ClydeR is fast approaching Bhaalizmo levels of derangement and mental illness obsession with this thread. What happened to that guy? Why did he stop his daily posting of soft core porn and Fuck Donald Trump? I guess the responsibility falls on ClydeR to fill that void with this thread.

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I can't speak for anyone else, but there is zero anger from me.

And I never get "upset"... because, unlike you, I have my emotions in constant check.

I just call it like I see it. You aren't good at anything I have ever witnessed in your 20+ years of posting here.

The .gif you posted made zero sense in the context. Like at all.

Thus my post.

I hope this helps you understand, but if history is any indicator.. I doubt it will help.

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I normally don’t attempt to speak on behalf of an entire mass group of people & play identity politics, but I can say with complete confidence that for all the sane non-retarded people on the PC with real meaningful lives… Absolutely 0 of us get upset or angry at ANY post, least of all the ones from the deranged retards.

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If you live in a place that has, or is getting ready to have, full self-driving Tesla robotaxis, please don't get in one of them, and give them a wide berth if you see one while you're driving.

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Tesla Full Self Driving in action..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frGoalySCns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frGoalySCns

The first comment to the vide offers a possible explanation. "In it's defence that tree did look an awful lot like a child."

I think it might have been because of the skid marks on the road.

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For Back’s sake and in the effort of civil dialogue I’ll engage just this once.

Steve Jobs was an asshole. He wasn’t a philanthropist. He had an ego arguably even bigger than Trump. He was outspoken for his time. He took credit for ideas that were not his own. He ran Apple with an iron fist and generally treated his direct employees like shit. What he was great at is identifying markets and applying innovative products to enrich people’s lives.

I say all this for a couple reasons.

1) Corporate image and these rankings mean a lot less than you think it does. People didn’t buy the iMac, iPod, iPhone, etc. because of how they felt about Steve Jobs or Apple as a feel good company. People don’t really care about Chick-Fil-A being a good Christian company that is closed on Sundays. Yeah people say they care about it but few actually do. They’re successful because they make a damn good chicken sandwich and their establishments are family friendly. In a year or two just as Tesla replaces their model lineup and people forget about Musk & DOGE when they are chasing the next news cycle, liberals will be preordering their new cars.

2) You can think whatever you want about Musk and politics, but you sound like a dumbfuck loser to deny that he is a successful innovator and businessman. You made this mistake before as well when you ridiculed Bill Gates for not doing so great in a game of chess. People can be brilliant in one area but that doesn’t apply to all things in life. I myself have no real interest in Teslas because I’ve always enjoyed combustion engines & will be a hold out on old school technology, but I can’t deny they are great cars for what they are. What Elon has done with Tesla is incredible. People told him (myself would be in this category back then) it is impossible to create and come to market in America an automotive company. Try your best to see past your EDS and give the man credit where credit is due.

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Losers hate successful people, and envy is what fuels retarded democrats like ClydeR and Cracklash more than anything else.

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ClydeR is fast approaching Bhaalizmo levels of derangement and mental illness obsession with this thread. What happened to that guy? Why did he stop his daily posting of soft core porn and Fuck Donald Trump? I guess the responsibility falls on ClydeR to fill that void with this thread.

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Probably either gave himself a stroke, or got busted macking on a 14 year old.

Musk is trying to make Teslas safer by changing the accounting rules. It's like reducing COVID infections by doing fewer tests.

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Last week, the US Department of Transportation announced a major change to the Biden-era rule that requires automakers and tech companies to report crashes that involve fully or partially autonomous vehicles. Under the revised rules, companies will no longer have to report certain crashes, such as those involving a vehicle equipped with a Level 2 advanced driver assist system (ADAS) that resulted in a tow-away, but no injuries, fatalities, or airbag deployments. The change was meant to, in Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy's words, "slash red tape and move us closer to a single national standard that spurs innovation and prioritizes safety."

One company that stands to benefit from the rule change is Tesla. Under the previous regime, Elon Musk's company comprised the bulk of crashes reported to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) involving vehicles with Level 2 automated systems. But under the revised rule, Tesla's load will be significantly lighter.

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More miles means a shorter warranty. A shorter warranty means lower warranty costs for the manufacturer. Needs to be investigated.

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From a recently filed lawsuit against Tesla..

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62. Notwithstanding this sophisticated and technical ability to measure distances traveled precisely, Plaintiff alleges that Defendants misrepresent and manipulate the mileage driven by Tesla Vehicles by way of an odometer system (“Tesla’s Odometer System”) that unlike traditional vehicles, utilizes a miles-to-electrical energy conversion factor that relies on predictive algorithms, energy consumption metrics, and driver behavior multipliers to determine mileage traveled.

63. Specifically, Tesla Odometer System are integrally linked to Tesla Vehicles’ energy consumption metrics and range estimation algorithms, as evidenced by Tesla Inc.’s patents and internal methodology detailed in Patent US8054038B2. This patent confirms that Tesla Odometer System readings are not direct measurements of distance traveled, but are instead derived from energy consumption data, driving behavior patterns, and predictive algorithms. The patent explicitly describes a “miles-to-electrical energy conversion factor” that varies dynamically based on road and traffic conditions.

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Why would Tesla measure miles this way instead of using tire rotations?

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From a recently filed lawsuit against Tesla..



Why would Tesla measure miles this way instead of using tire rotations?

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Because it doesn't have a direct drive train dumbass.

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Because it doesn't have a direct drive train dumbass.

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We should all stop giving ClydeR attention and maybe he'll just shut the fuck up and go away.

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While everyone was scrambling to start the holiday, something important in Hillsboro revealed two interesting and concerning things. One, Data Centers have batteries that can burn and be very toxic. They are also nearly impossible to put out. This adds another negative checkmark to the Data Center +/- chart. Number two, good old Elon Musk ’s servers are humming away here in Hillsboro. The Herald has learned that Musk and X are discussing making it a requirement/priority to put Tesla Lithium-Ion batteries in the servers at Data Centers they contract with. Have you ever seen a Tesla burn? Think that, but scaled up by 1,000 percent.

A Thursday morning blaze at a Hillsboro Technology Park data center – an industrial campus near Portland – left firefighters battling a room of burning batteries for five hours, prompting alarm in the tech industry and the local community. Hillsboro Fire Department Battalion Chief Piseth Pich of Hillsboro Fire & Rescue told local media that firefighters arriving at 10:20 a.m. found “batteries on fire that were contained to one room. The smoke was so thick that they could hardly see.”

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Now we have to worry about Battery fires? Wow. Experts warn that lithium-ion battery blazes can release a cocktail of toxic emissions far more dangerous than ordinary fires. Data center firefighting specialists note that, unlike a building fire, a battery conflagration can self-intensify and reignite, releasing superheated smoke and toxic gases. Tests of burning Li-ion cells have found they emit hydrogen fluoride and other acidic fluorine gases in prodigious quantities. These gases can scar lungs, burn skin, and even etch glass. Worse, soot and heavy metal particulates from battery fires can drift for miles; scientists have found contamination of cobalt, nickel, manganese, and other toxic metals around large battery storage sites.

The impact of this blaze on local health is still uncertain. Although the smoke was mostly contained inside the building, some fumes inevitably leaked out while crews cooled the batteries. Emergency officials urged anyone in the immediate area to stay indoors with windows shut and air filters running. Following the Moss Landing battery fire in California, environmental tests found metals in nearby soil at “100 to 1,000 times higher than normal,” and residents reported skin, eye, and respiratory issues. In Oregon, no such tests or disclosures have yet been made.

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I did not know data centers have batteries in them. And I certainly did not know that have dangerous Tesla batteries.

Oh my!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l6L6jzBw50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l6L6jzBw50

The Tesla tragedy shown below happened in Florida after a hurricane. If you live in a cold climate where they put salt on roads and brides in the winter, you'll want to avoid driving a Tesla through any puddles that might contain salt. Otherwise..

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Morgan Hodges says the family’s Tesla Model X Plaid was parked in the garage during the storm Friday in Sarasota. The family shared a Nest video showing the moment the car burst into flames.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLc_JsHn4ZM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLc_JsHn4ZM

ClydeR has outed himself as a neckbeard anti-electric car basement dweller. I bet he'd be proud about "rolling coal" if he could afford a truck.

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There's a strong argument that hydrogen vehicles would be better than electric vehicles. Hydrogen is the most common element in the universe. On earth, we have oceans of it. No waiting around on your battery to charge. Just put fill the tank and go, like with gas, except it's clean! No landfills full of toxic battery components.

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There's a strong argument that hydrogen vehicles would be better than electric vehicles. Hydrogen is the most common element in the universe. On earth, we have oceans of it. No waiting around on your battery to charge. Just put fill the tank and go, like with gas, except it's clean! No landfills full of toxic battery components.

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Hydrogen takes a lot of energy to produce. Very dangerous to store since any leak ignites or is explosive in air. The sulphur and other compounds in the air combine with the water vapor generated in the engine to make acid and eat away the engine and exhaust system very quickly and that is the least hazardous chemical reaction we have to worry about from pollutants. It takes a bit of skill to hook up and use gas fill lines for pressurized gas safely, not just any moron can use a fueling station. Lastly, there is almost no infrastructure to support it, unlike electric cars, despite the fact that is we increased electric car usage by around 50% of current levels, the grid would collapse since we can't make or move enough electricity.

Keep trying dumbass.

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There's a strong argument that hydrogen vehicles would be better than electric vehicles. Hydrogen is the most common element in the universe. On earth, we have oceans of it. No waiting around on your battery to charge. Just put fill the tank and go, like with gas, except it's clean! No landfills full of toxic battery components.

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HAHAHAHA.,.. too funny.

You've gone from "OMG WE HAVE TO SAVE TEH PLANET FROM GLOBAL WARMING BY FORCING PEOPLE INTO ELECTRIC CARS!" to "OMG WE NEED TO GET RID OF ELECTRIC CARS BECAUSE ELON MUSK HURT MY FEE FEES! FUCK TEH CLIMATE!"

You're such a fucking joke.. the ONLY "principle" you have is you are for everything that the Republicans (especially ZOMGTRUMP!!!!) is against.

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Hydrogen takes a lot of energy to produce. Very dangerous to store since any leak ignites or is explosive in air. The sulphur and other compounds in the air combine with the water vapor generated in the engine to make acid and eat away the engine and exhaust system very quickly and that is the least hazardous chemical reaction we have to worry about from pollutants. It takes a bit of skill to hook up and use gas fill lines for pressurized gas safely, not just any moron can use a fueling station. Lastly, there is almost no infrastructure to support it, unlike electric cars, despite the fact that is we increased electric car usage by around 50% of current levels, the grid would collapse since we can't make or move enough electricity.

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You're overlooking electrolysis and solar panels, the subject of many high school science projects. That is the answer.

Before you read any further, be warned. The video below shows a person being injured by a Tesla. If you're squeamish or sensitive or very young, then turn away. Just turn away.

Still here?

In that case, you asked for it..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alz1nCekk1g
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/alz1nCekk1g

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Before you read any further, be warned. The video below shows a person being injured by a Tesla. If you're squeamish or sensitive or very young, then turn away. Just turn away.

Still here?

In that case, you asked for it..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alz1nCekk1g
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/alz1nCekk1g

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Tesla stock up to 357 now.

Should have bought when I did.

Great company, great stock, great upside.

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You're overlooking electrolysis and solar panels, the subject of many high school science projects. That is the answer.

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No, actually, I am not dumbfuck. People a lot smarter than you and I have looked into this. Do you have any idea how much energy it takes to separate enough hydrogen to be economically useful?

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However, current best processes for water electrolysis have an effective electrical efficiency of 70-80%, so that producing 1 kg of hydrogen (which has a specific energy of 143 MJ/kg or about 40 kWh/kg) requires 50–55 kWh of electricity.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production

The average household uses from 600-1000 kWh of electricity a month. So, here you would have to use a month's worth of energy to make 50 KG of hydrogen.

The average hydrogen powered car would burn from .05 to .1 kg of hydrogen per kilometer so from 50 to 100 km per kilogram.

1000 (31.6 feet by 31.6 feet or 9.4m by 9.4m approximately) square feet of solar panels will generate about 26000 kWh of energy in one year assuming average sun and average latitude when first installed, solar panels lose effectiveness over time, then there is weather, dust, damage and higher latitudes produce less power since the sun is less direct.

So, in one year, a house sized panel array would make 520 kg of hydrogen or between 26000-52000 km worth of hydrogen.

Sounds great, huh?

BUT, this assumes a perfect system. This also does not include the power to compress the hydrogen to a usable and storable size since no one wants to keep a 6208.8 cubic meter bag of explosive hydrogen gas around much less try to attach that to your car.

Compressing hydrogen gas to a usable volume for storage takes getting it to about 700-1000 bar. This takes around 2.6 kWh per kilogram to compress. And now, your whole system becomes much less efficient since this number is under ideal conditions with perfectly operating equipment. Wear, dirt and all kinds of other conditions make it even less efficient. OH, and it takes time, you can’t just run a compressor like you do for filling up a tire, this stuff gets hot and needs cooled which needs even more equipment and energy. This doesn’t even get into the cost of the compression, storage and transport equipment.

So, in the end, to run one vehicle, you need a house sized solar array which costs, on the cheap side since I had it priced for my house last year, around 20K. Then you have the cheapest compressor for hydrogen out there at 50K, storage tanks and handling equipment running, just a guess, 10K, that isn’t even trying to estimate the cost of cooling. Then you have an expensive vehicle whose engine will, by the nature of the fuel, destroy it’s self quickly due to atmospheric pollutants. And lastly, you have a fuel that automatically ignites in the presence of air, burns with a flame you ordinarily can’t see in daylight, is automatically explosive with a large enough leak and cannot be extinguished without fire foam.

As I said, dumbfuck, it isn’t as simple as you think it is. People a lot smarter than you and I have been thinking about this and trying to solve the problems since the 1950s. This kind of short sighted, ignorant thinking is as bad or worse than telling a bunch of coal miners to “learn to code.”

Stop trying to be clever or to appear intelligent, you aren’t.

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People a lot smarter than you and I have been thinking about this and trying to solve the problems since the 1950s. This kind of short sighted, ignorant thinking is as bad or worse than telling a bunch of coal miners to “learn to code.”

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Rocktar's long post was very good. It was thoughtful and well researched and even included a link. However, I think it overlooks the boost that need gives to ingenuity. We need cars that run on water and sunshine and emit only water vapor as exhaust. Because we need them, somebody will discover how to make the necessary slight improvements in the efficiency of electrolysis.

I would never recommend that anyone learn to code, other than as a hobby. AI is taking all those jobs.

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Rocktar's long post was very good. It was thoughtful and well researched and even included a link. However, I think it overlooks the boost that need gives to ingenuity. We need cars that run on water and sunshine and emit only water vapor as exhaust. Because we need them, somebody will discover how to make the necessary slight improvements in the efficiency of electrolysis.

I would never recommend that anyone learn to code, other than as a hobby. AI is taking all those jobs.

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Wrong. This was thought of 40 years ago in great detail. Guess what? We still don’t have flying cars, or a Mr. Fusion, or a flux capacitor that allows time travel. I go 88 mph on the tollway to and from work everyday. You know what happens? Not a gahdang thing. It’s 2025 and we still need roads, jagoff.

https://www.entertainmentearth.com/n...on-replica.jpg
https://image.mlive.com/home/mlive-m...a85bd7fa9c.jpg

On coal miners and learning to code, I would tell you to say that to Joe Biden but you don’t understand the reference. Because you’re stupid.

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Rocktar's long post was very good. It was thoughtful and well researched and even included a link. However, I think it overlooks the boost that need gives to ingenuity. We need cars that run on water and sunshine and emit only water vapor as exhaust. Because we need them, somebody will discover how to make the necessary slight improvements in the efficiency of electrolysis.

I would never recommend that anyone learn to code, other than as a hobby. AI is taking all those jobs.

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As soon as Musk invents a car that economically runs on water, you will be "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WATER! WE ARE GOING TO BE A DESERT PLANET THANKS TO ELON MUSK!"

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40 years, you say? That's about how long it takes to make something useful. Forty years ago in May of 1985, the Human Genome Project was conceived. It's just starting to be useful today.

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Tesla stock up to 357 now.

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The stock price has gone up despite plunging sales because a principal Tesla shareholder is positioned to influence government policy in a way that favors him and his personal investments. Diverting, misappropriating or redirecting government funds for private benefit can certainly make a company more valuable.

So sad..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1inYSC_wL6c
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1inYSC_wL6c

I bet you can get a good deal on a used Tesla , if you're in the market. Musk has definitely driven down the value of existing Teslas.

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Tesla customers have been left stunned after uncovering the worrying truth about the electric vehicles that they have recently purchased.

Cybertruck owners have spoken out about the state of their vehicles after it was found that the motors have been left outside for months.

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Definitely not good for batteries and not respectful of customers.

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For any prospective Cybertruck owners, there are ways to verify how long your vehicle has been sitting waiting for a buyer.

Upon purchase, you can request documentation which shows when the car originally left the factory, so you’ll know how long it’s been exposed to the elements.

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Yeah, because when I go to any car dealership I expect the vehicle I am purchasing to have left the factory no later than yesterday & not have a warranty…

Circling the drain is an apt metaphor.

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Tesla continues to circle the drain
The company’s sales in Europe plunged by nearly 50 percent, a sign that Tesla’s brand crisis is worsening.

The new figures from the European Automobiles Manufacturers Association revealed that Tesla only logged 7,261 new vehicle registrations in April, nearly half of what it recorded in April 2024. The numbers are particularly notable considering Tesla recently launched the refreshed Model Y, an update on the global best-seller which was expected to attract a host of new customers. Instead, it appears the strategy has so far been a failure.

Despite Musk’s optimistic talk about the Model Y’s sales prospects, Tesla’s brand crisis appears to be deepening. And it’s not because European consumers are souring on electric vehicles; in the first four months of 2025, new battery-electric car sales grew by 26.4 percent, to 558,262 units, capturing 15.3 percent of the total EU market share.

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Price up to $362 currently...

Betting on Musk is like printing your own money... it's so easy.

Tesla was never big in the European market in the first place. They don't care. They sold over 600,000 cars in the US last year, compared to 54,000 in Europe. Stop acting like the European sales figures mean anything to Tesla.

Who would want any member of their family driving a Tesla?

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What caused a deadly crash in San Francisco — a ‘madman’ driver or ‘malfunctioning’ Tesla?
By Megan Cassidy, Annie Vainshtein
May 31, 2025

The Tesla hurtled down the Interstate 280 off-ramp to Sixth Street, sideswiping three vehicles along the way. It picked up speed, running red lights and nearly touching 90 mph as it raced northwest toward downtown San Francisco.

At Sixth and Harrison, the Tesla Model Y slammed into a Lexus at a stoplight, then spun into oncoming traffic. Seven people were injured, one of whom described the impact of the crash as an explosion. The driver of the Lexus, San Francisco resident Mikhael Romanenko, was killed.

Witnesses would later describe the car to police as a "black blur" and the driver "a madman," according to a police report. But as the Tesla's driver, Jia Lin Zheng, 66, was being treated for his own injuries in the wake of the Jan. 19 crash, he offered a chilling explanation: The car, he told police, had accelerated on its own.

"The Tesla malfunctioned and began to speed up" as he exited the highway, San Francisco police wrote in a report, describing Zheng's account. "Zheng stated every time he stepped on the brake of the Tesla, he felt the car accelerate."

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Who would want any member of their family driving a Tesla?

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Ford Company had 7552 vehicle deaths in 2022. Who would want any member of their family driving a Ford?

Stop being retarded... Backlash has a very firm grip on the championship.. you just don't have enough fortitude to take it.

Settle for 2nd place.

Before unleashing on the public, how did Tesla not think to test whether or not their self-driving cars could detect children in the road?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJPXuhWEUI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJP...TheDawnProject

Article is at https://interestingengineering.com/t...ows-into-dummy

There's a fun video in the above article comparing Tesla's sensors, which are only cameras, to the sensors in other cars, including lidar.

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Before unleashing on the public, how did Tesla not think to test whether or not their self-driving cars could detect children in the road?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJPXuhWEUI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJP...TheDawnProject

Article is at https://interestingengineering.com/t...ows-into-dummy

There's a fun video in the above article comparing Tesla's sensors, which are only cameras, to the sensors in other cars, including lidar.

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2 years ago that video was posted.

Your MDS is now diagnosed as "full blown"... stage 4.

There is no hope.

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2 years ago that video was posted.

Your MDS is now diagnosed as "full blown"... stage 4.

There is no hope.

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ClydeR: Why did Tesla not test this?

Also ClydeR: <POSTS VIDEO OF A TESLA TESTING IT>

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2 years ago that video was posted.

Your MDS is now diagnosed as "full blown"... stage 4.

There is no hope.

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ClydeR: Why did Tesla not test this?

Also ClydeR: <POSTS VIDEO OF A TESLA TESTING IT>

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This just might be the first time in the history of cars that someone who caused a crash and killed people insisted they did everything right but that their car was to blame.

Oh, wait, no, that happens all the time. But now that the car is a Tesla this is super duper 100% accurate without a single doubt and this couldn't possibly be someone just trying to avoid the consequences of their actions.

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Shortly after the car ignited into flames before burning down to the ground as seen in the photos released by Tv2.no. Firefighters took longer than normal to extinguish the fire, because unlike a traditional fire where water is used as the extinguishing agent, fires in electric vehicles need to be extinguished using a different methodology.

Updated Jan 2, 2016: Per safety information from Tesla, no amount of regular water could be used to extinguish electrical fires, so the Model S was left to burn to the end without intervention from local firefighters. According to Norway’s FVN, “Only way to extinguish the fire in electric cars is by using water with a copper material. It is too costly for the Norwegian fire departments have started using it.”

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There it is! Things are finally starting to make sense. As many of you asked in this very forum a few days ago, why was Trump taking the economically costly, inefficient, unpopular step of eliminating the penny? It's because the're going to need all that copper to put in fire hydrant water to extinguish the huge national problem of dangerous toxic Tesla fires.

Wait... Elon Musk said Trump's Big Beautiful Bill was terrible...

Shouldn't you be back to loving Elon now?

OR HAS OMG OMG OMG MUSK SURPASSED TRUMP AS THE BIGGEST MEANIEHEAD NAZI WHITE SUPREMACIST OF ALL TIME!?!?!?!?

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There it is! Things are finally starting to make sense. As many of you asked in this very forum a few days ago, why was Trump taking the economically costly, inefficient, unpopular step of eliminating the penny? It's because the're going to need all that copper to put in fire hydrant water to extinguish the huge national problem of dangerous toxic Tesla fires.

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The article you linked mentions over and over again that this is a problem with "electric vehicles", yet you keep mentioning Tesla. Why are you so dishonest?

Also you fuckers have been pushing electric vehicles for decades now because it was going to "save the planet", now you are whining that electric vehicles are going to poison the planet.

This is why the left needs to stay far away from power in any country in the world. You have no idea how to lead a nation anymore. You have been reduced to virtue signaling and bumper sticker slogans.

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There it is! Things are finally starting to make sense. As many of you asked in this very forum a few days ago, why was Trump taking the economically costly, inefficient, unpopular step of eliminating the penny? It's because the're going to need all that copper to put in fire hydrant water to extinguish the huge national problem of dangerous toxic Tesla fires.

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SUPRISE!!!!! You are so full of shit! Pennies are 2.5% copper, they are mostly zinc. That means about 500 metric tons of copper. Add in the rest of the coinage and you get up to 25000 metric tons of copper a year.

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About 2 million metric tons of copper are used in the US per year. So all coinage represents about 1.25% of US copper consumption, of which quarters are about half.

There are some good reasons to eliminate small coinage, but "it will noticeably help with a copper shortage" isn't really one of them.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item

I mean I've been collecting all the 2025 pennies I can for collectors items, so I can become like big oil and big electric like Seran is always complaining about.

This article explains how you should not drive a Tesla when the sun is low in the sky, like in the early mornings and late afternoons.

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In a few harrowing seconds, the system’s shortcomings were laid bare by a tragedy. The Tesla hit Story, a 71-year-old grandmother, at highway speed. She was pronounced dead at the scene.

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“There is a reason why Superman could shoot lasers from his eyes, but also uses his eyes for seeing. You want redundancy,” Smith said. “It is shocking to many people that Tesla has such confidence in a single type of sensor.”

That single type of sensor Tesla relies on is cameras. The company places an array of them in each vehicle it sells to capture road signs, traffic lights, lane markings and surrounding cars.

Other automakers and autonomous-driving technology companies also use radar and lidar, which emit energy — in lidar’s case, laser pulses traveling at the speed of light — to detect the distance of surrounding objects. As active sensors that generate their own signals, they’re not affected by external lighting conditions and function better than cameras in direct sunlight.

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First, Mr. Smith should stop doing metaphors.
Second, Teslas are bad.

You're literally retarded.

It's pretty amazing how for about 10 years Tesla vehicles were the best things ever invented and they were going to save the world.

Now in just a couple of years apparently the cars are death traps and everyone should avoid one like the plague.

Is the media and "experts" full of shit now? Or were they full of shit before and they ignored all of these problems because they thought they were saving the world?

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It's pretty amazing how for about 10 years Tesla vehicles were the best things ever invented and they were going to save the world.

Now in just a couple of years apparently the cars are death traps and everyone should avoid one like the plague.

Is the media and "experts" full of shit now? Or were they full of shit before and they ignored all of these problems because they thought they were saving the world?

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“Elon Musk is a literal Nazi! Tesla supports fascism! I’m trading in my Tesla for a Volkswagen!” -some Democrat, probably

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Looky. Exactly what I said.

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Tesla has never been a stock whose price has closely tracked its fundamentals, often trading on what seem like hopes and vibes, so-called “animal spirits” factors. But even for TeslaTSLA $330.60 (-3.50%), whose stock is up nearly 30% in the last month, its link with reality seems tenuous these days.

“It’s the worst I’ve ever seen because the fundamentals have never been as bad,” CEO of GLJ Research and Tesla bear Gordon Johnson told Sherwood News.

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Looky. Exactly what I said.

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Looky.. a left wing site hates Musk.

I'm fucking shocked.

From the highly respected Road & Track..

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Tesla Has the Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Auto Brands, Study Finds
Tesla vehicles suffer fatal accidents at a rate that's twice the industry average, according to a new report.

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I'll save everyone the trouble of reading the link for themselves to see why Clyder, and probably the author of the article itself, chose such a headline while burying the real information at the very bottom of the article: it all boils down to dumb asses who don't know how to drive.

The article even says that Tesla vehicles have a lot of safety features and even insurance companies rate them among the safest cars to drive. But driver behavior and road conditions are almost always to blame for fatal car crashes, regardless of which vehicle they are driving.

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I'll save everyone the trouble of reading the link for themselves to see why Clyder, and probably the author of the article itself, chose such a headline while burying the real information at the very bottom of the article: it all boils down to dumb asses who don't know how to drive.

The article even says that Tesla vehicles have a lot of safety features and even insurance companies rate them among the safest cars to drive. But driver behavior and road conditions are almost always to blame for fatal car crashes, regardless of which vehicle they are driving.

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You know cLyDeR is a leftist headline chaser.. he doesn't actually care what the article says.

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I'll save everyone the trouble of reading the link for themselves to see why Clyder, and probably the author of the article itself, chose such a headline while burying the real information at the very bottom of the article: it all boils down to dumb asses who don't know how to drive.

The article even says that Tesla vehicles have a lot of safety features and even insurance companies rate them among the safest cars to drive. But driver behavior and road conditions are almost always to blame for fatal car crashes, regardless of which vehicle they are driving.

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I'll summarize Tgo01.. It's not Tesla's fault. It's just that people who buy Teslas are worse drivers than the average person, and they tend to drive on more hazardous roads.

Stay away from Teslas. Don't become a statistic on this site..

https://www.tesladeaths.com/

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I'll summarize Tgo01.. It's not Tesla's fault. It's just that people who buy Teslas are worse drivers than the average person, and they tend to drive on more hazardous roads.

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Stay away from Teslas. Don't become a statistic on this site..

https://www.tesladeaths.com/

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674 deaths for 7,247,237 electric cars produced since 2014. (Source: https://backlinko.com/tesla-stats) Simple math taking fatalities divided by vehicles produced gives us a 0.009% death rate over the span of 11 years. That’s pretty impressive actually and makes them one of the safest automakers.

Hell, your mom has a body county higher than 674 over the last 11 years.

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674 deaths for 7,247,237 electric cars produced since 2014. (Source: https://backlinko.com/tesla-stats) Simple math taking fatalities divided by vehicles produced gives us a 0.009% death rate over the span of 11 years. That’s pretty impressive actually and makes them one of the safest automakers.

Hell, your mom has a body county higher than 674 over the last 11 years.

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I doubt it.

cLyDeR seems like he has lived a very sheltered life.. either with 2 lesbian moms or just a single mom because it's obvious he has no father figure in his life.

She probably banged once, got pregnant and the father took off... and she's been paying for this mistake for 30+ years now.

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For sale at the White House: one bright red Tesla Model S. Should run fine; the owner just seems to have had buyer’s remorse.

Less than 24 hours after President Trump and Elon Musk engaged in a rancorous public spat, Mr. Trump has decided to sell the red Tesla he got in March, according to a White House official speaking on condition of anonymity because the person wasn’t authorized to speak publicly.

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NYT quoting a source that is anonymous.

You would think they would learn after a while of pulling that.

I'm not surprised you haven't learned though...

Western guests including Elon Musk’s father to speak at pro-Putin oligarch’s Moscow forum

British politician George Galloway and US conspiracy theorist Alex Jones also among speakers

Pjotr Sauer

Mon 9 Jun 2025 09.32 EDT

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A pro-Putin Russian oligarch is hosting a two-day conference in Moscow on Monday, featuring a lineup of western speakers, including Elon Musk’s father, Errol, the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and the British politician George Galloway.

The conference, titled Future Forum 2050, is organised by Konstantin Malofeev – an influential ultra-nationalist tycoon close to the Kremlin and under western sanctions – and appears to mark Moscow’s latest effort to court western figures.

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Western guests including Elon Musk’s father to speak at pro-Putin oligarch’s Moscow forum

British politician George Galloway and US conspiracy theorist Alex Jones also among speakers

Pjotr Sauer

Mon 9 Jun 2025 09.32 EDT

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...droidApp_Other

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I don't get it.

My father has zero say in any of my business dealings. I thought Elon had already said he distanced himself from his father years ago?

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Western guests including Elon Musk’s father to speak at pro-Putin oligarch’s Moscow forum

British politician George Galloway and US conspiracy theorist Alex Jones also among speakers

Pjotr Sauer

Mon 9 Jun 2025 09.32 EDT



https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...droidApp_Other

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I encourage you to cry some more about it.

https://media.tenor.com/qiHDGX-mi7wA...etbutthurt.gif


lol @ theguardian

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Tesla's robotaxis are set to deploy in Austin a week from Sunday, but critics are sounding the alarm that the cars pose a public safety threat.

Driving the news: The Dawn Project, Tesla Takedown and Resist Austin will host a demonstration today at 11am, where they say they'll show a self-driving Tesla fail to stop for a child-sized dummy stepping out of a stationary school bus.

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People who live in Austin should be terrified to go out on the streets, and they should be angry at their city leaders for making them guinea pigs in this dangerous experiment.

https://i.imgur.com/Nhl0lEr.png
https://bsky.app/profile/realdanodow.../3lrj7qtbl3s2x

Is that the triple Unholy grail of the far left? TeslaTakeDown, ResistAution, AND Bluesky, all in one post? The only thing more glorious is the fact that Clyder and other idiots take this shit as gospel.

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Is that the triple Unholy grail of the far left? TeslaTakeDown, ResistAution, AND Bluesky, all in one post? The only thing more glorious is the fact that Clyder and other idiots take this shit as gospel.

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Yeah, Mark Cuban even said Bluesky is fucked. He said it became an echo chamber, where you can agree with someone one 27 points, but if you disagree with them on anything you are labelled a fascist and a Nazi and moderated to oblivion. He actually said X is way better because it doesn't ddo that moderation shit.

This is Mark fucking Cuban saying this.

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Yeah, Mark Cuban even said Bluesky is fucked. He said it became an echo chamber, where you can agree with someone one 27 points, but if you disagree with them on anything you are labelled a fascist and a Nazi and moderated to oblivion. He actually said X is way better because it doesn't ddo that moderation shit.

This is Mark fucking Cuban saying this.

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Oh Bluesky allows users to moderate people? LOL

That's exactly why Mastadon, you know, the previous "Twitter killer" failed, because if you give regular users the power to "moderate" content they are going to abuse the shit out of that.

Tesla customers in France as suing Tesla to terminate their leases.

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"Because of Elon Musk's actions... Tesla-branded vehicles have become strong political symbols and now appear to be veritable extreme-right 'totems,' to the dismay of those who acquired them with the sole aim of possessing an innovative and ecological vehicle," the GKA law firm said in a statement cited by French media.

The statement also referenced when the billionaire sparked outrage when he took to the stage and appeared to perform a salute affiliated with Nazis. Musk denied the gesture was a Nazi salute and described criticism as a “tired” attack.

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