Is Tesla Doomed?

[ClydeR]

Musk is giving future business leaders a case study in how to destroy the reputation of a successful company.

The Cybertruck was meant to be a home run for Tesla with annual planned production to exceed 250,000 units. That did not happen. Elon Musk’s political moves before and after the election, his support for Germany’s right-wing AfD party and his cutthroat actions with DOGE pretty much turned the whole world against the once popular electric car brand. Tesla sales are down literally everywhere. Indeed, analysts and commentators are asking—can the company survive?

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[Methais]

First off to be clear I don't hate billionaires. I just have a big issue with the American tax system that heavily favors the billionaire over everyone else.

What Elon did and does with Twitter/X can't be waved away with a suggestion to just not look at it.

He supports anti-immigrant movements all around the globe and his influence is massive.

I'm not surprised how many people defend him considering how our culture worships the ultra wealthy probably more than any god. Greed as a motivator is a real poison to the human race.

Letting Elon decide what the federal government spends money on was the biggest mistake in human history. You guys are so quick to sell out all the services that make our lives easier and does so much good around the world in the hands of someone who has no idea what life is like in the real world the rest of us live in.

The technocrat billionaires currently calling the shots Don't give a fuck about us. In fact they probably see us as in the way to real progress. You will never see any return on all that cut "fraud and waste".

That big budget the spineless repubs are letting get shoved up our asses is raising the debt ceiling, cutting our services, cutting regulations that make us all safe, and letting the rich keep all the tax cuts they got from Trump's first term.

Soy

[~Rocktar~]

Musk is giving future business leaders a case study in how to destroy the reputation of a successful company.

It's giving political "scientists" more of a case study in Leftist/Fascist violence than anything else. The Brown Shirts would be proud.

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The only part that you answered my question was saying that “he supports anti-immigration movements all around the globe.” Nothing is further from the truth. Elon Musk is an immigrant. He also recently affirmed his support for the H-1B visa program in contrast with many hardline conservatives.

If it benefits his business sure he's for it. But on the global stage he is backing Trump in the US, AFD in Germany, and promoting anti-immigrant BS on X everywhere.

If you were able to look at the merits of DOGE spending cuts and see past your hatred for Elon Musk, I believe even you would agree that such blatant wasteful spending is wrong.

No one has ever said don't cut waste but what Trump and Elon have done is not only put hundreds probably thousands of people our of a job they cut back on legitimate services for the American people that they deem wasteful from up in their ivory towers. These services have been put in place in a bipartisan way over the years by both parties. To claim its all democrat waste is a straight up lie because both parties run our government.

Don't get me started on how we the American people now have to suffer with less because our government can't balance a budget. It's the politician's fault if our government can't pay it's bills. We should not have to pay to fix it. They are responsible and should be held accountable.

Last, I just don’t see you having this same level of contempt towards George Soros or Bill Gates or Michael Bloomberg. All of those people have substantial wealth & have greatly influenced American politics. Why is that?

You never asked. You are so quick to judge and assume. Give a guy a chance to speak his mind. When I say we need money out of politics I mean all money from all sources.

[Parkbandit]

First off to be clear I don't hate billionaires. I just have a big issue with the American tax system that heavily favors the billionaire over everyone else.

What Elon did and does with Twitter/X can't be waved away with a suggestion to just not look at it.

He supports anti-immigrant movements all around the globe and his influence is massive.

I'm not surprised how many people defend him considering how our culture worships the ultra wealthy probably more than any god. Greed as a motivator is a real poison to the human race.

Letting Elon decide what the federal government spends money on was the biggest mistake in human history. You guys are so quick to sell out all the services that make our lives easier and does so much good around the world in the hands of someone who has no idea what life is like in the real world the rest of us live in.

The technocrat billionaires currently calling the shots Don't give a fuck about us. In fact they probably see us as in the way to real progress. You will never see any return on all that cut "fraud and waste".

That big budget the spineless repubs are letting get shoved up our asses is raising the debt ceiling, cutting our services, cutting regulations that make us all safe, and letting the rich keep all the tax cuts they got from Trump's first term.

Jesus fucking Christ....

Backlash, your post is like a word salad tossed with every tired cliche from Reddit and Twitter circa 2017, drenched in sanctimony, and served without a single coherent point. You say you don’t hate billionaires, then proceed to vomit up every line of billionaire-hating drivel as if you’re auditioning for a role as Bernie Sanders' personal diary. I can’t believe you forgot using the word “oligarchy”.

You blame Elon Musk for… what, exactly? Running a company you don’t like? Ruining Twitter as your own echo chamber? Having political opinions? Existing? The idea that Musk “decides what the federal government spends money on” isn’t just wrong, it’s literally retarded. You sound like someone who just discovered the word “technocrat” and thinks it makes any rambling paranoid thought automatically profound. SPOILER: It doesn’t.

You talk about greed poisoning the human race while demanding more government spending funded by someone else’s work. SPOILER2: confiscating other people’s money and funneling it into bloated bureaucracies doesn’t make you virtuous. It makes you lazy, ignorant and delusional about how the real world works. And stop acting like services are getting "cut" because people like Musk exist. They're getting cut because the government runs like it’s not their money, not because billionaires aren't handing over their organs for harvesting. You don’t speak for “the rest of us”… you speak for a subset of perpetually outraged, estrogen fueled keyboard shieldmaidens who think every success story is a crime scene.

[Methais]

If it benefits his business sure he's for it. But on the global stage he is backing Trump in the US, AFD in Germany, and promoting anti-immigrant BS on X everywhere.



No one has ever said don't cut waste but what Trump and Elon have done is not only put hundreds probably thousands of people our of a job they cut back on legitimate services for the American people that they deem wasteful from up in their ivory towers. These services have been put in place in a bipartisan way over the years by both parties. To claim its all democrat waste is a straight up lie because both parties run our government.

Don't get me started on how we the American people now have to suffer with less because our government can't balance a budget. It's the politician's fault if our government can't pay it's bills. We should not have to pay to fix it. They are responsible and should be held accountable.



You never asked. You are so quick to judge and assume. Give a guy a chance to speak his mind. When I say we need money out of politics I mean all money from all sources.

Here's a great example of how stupid people are easily brainwashed.

[Parkbandit]

If it benefits his business sure he's for it.

Like most normal people?

But on the global stage he is backing Trump in the US

So are most normal people.

AFD in Germany, and promoting anti-immigrant BS on X everywhere.

Confusing immigration and illegal immigration yet again.. shocking.

No one has ever said don't cut waste but what Trump and Elon have done is not only put hundreds probably thousands of people our of a job they cut back on legitimate services for the American people that they deem wasteful from up in their ivory towers. These services have been put in place in a bipartisan way over the years by both parties. To claim its all democrat waste is a straight up lie because both parties run our government.

It wasn't bi-partisan for the past 4 years as Biden's puppet masters bloated the government by hundreds of thousands employees and increased spending 40%.

It's not all Democrat, just a vast majority of it... which is why you are told to be upset about it.

Don't get me started on how we the American people now have to suffer with less because our government can't balance a budget. It's the politician's fault if our government can't pay it's bills. We should not have to pay to fix it. They are responsible and should be held accountable.

They are supposed to be held accountable at the voting booth... but if that were really the case, Democrats would have long been extinct in this country.

You never asked. You are so quick to judge and assume. Give a guy a chance to speak his mind. When I say we need money out of politics I mean all money from all sources.

No one asked you about Trump or Musk... but here you are posting about them every chance you get. Why not post about other billionaires that agree with your slanted world view.. like Soros or Gates?

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Confusing immigration and illegal immigration yet again.. shocking.

We are well past this just being an "illegal" immigrant issue. This is full blown racially motivated revocation of human rights. Disappearing people with no criminal records to concentration camps without due process? If you're ok with it just own it and say so because you're not fooling anyone. That ghoul Steven Miller is more than happy to suspend rights for people he deems not worthy of them. And it may just be immigrants now but it's eventually going to be people this administration believes are political opposition or "treasonous" homegrown or not. Ovens are next.

It wasn't bi-partisan for the past 4 years as Biden's puppet masters bloated the government by hundreds of thousands employees and increased spending 40%.

Bullshit. Our government has operated in a bipartisan fashion for a long time. Any spending has been approved by both parties in one form or another. Both parties are responsible for all spending and debt.

I've said this many times but it still has not stuck with you or anyone else here. The difference between democrats and republicans is that the constituents tell the democratic leaders what they want while the republican leaders tell their constituents what they want. I have to hand it to the republicans... their feedback loop of republican leader creating a problem, the constituency believing them and voting them into office to fix it is very very tight. Like a 24 hour turn around in the right wing media sphere.

They are supposed to be held accountable at the voting booth... but if that were really the case, Democrats would have long been extinct in this country.

Yeah yeah yeah. Since Nixon the democrats have had to fix all the problems caused by the republican party.

No one asked you about Trump or Musk... but here you are posting about them every chance you get. Why not post about other billionaires that agree with your slanted world view.. like Soros or Gates?

This thread is about Tesla and Musk, genius. Here you are shitting up another thread with your personal attack bullshit. If you want to talk about Soros or whoever you hate this week you have every right to start a thread about it.

[Parkbandit]

We are well past this just being an "illegal" immigrant issue. This is full blown racially motivated revocation of human rights. Disappearing people with no criminal records to concentration camps without due process? If you're ok with it just own it and say so because you're not fooling anyone. That ghoul Steven Miller is more than happy to suspend rights for people he deems not worthy of them. And it may just be immigrants now but it's eventually going to be people this administration believes are political opposition or "treasonous" homegrown or not. Ovens are next.

You conflate concern over illegal immigration with some imagined “racially motivated revocation of human rights,” then immediately jump to Holocaust analogies. That’s not argumentation, that’s retarded hysteria. Invoking “concentration camps” and “ovens” is grotesque and lazy, especially when applied to immigration detention centers that... like it or not... have existed across multiple administrations, including the one you voted for. They called Obama the "Deporter in Chief" yet I don't remember you playing the role of Chicken Little during that time period. If everything you disagree with is literally fascism, then nothing is.

Bullshit. Our government has operated in a bipartisan fashion for a long time. Any spending has been approved by both parties in one form or another. Both parties are responsible for all spending and debt.

Let's look at the 2 major spending votes that happened outside the budget and over the Biden Administration:

American Rescue Plan Act - 2021 1.9 trillion dollars

HOUSE: Democrats Yes(220) No(1) Republicans Yes (0) No (210)
SENATE: Democrats/Independents Yes (50) No (0) Republicans Yes (0) No (49)

Inflation Reduction Act - 737 billion

HOUSE: Democrats Yes(220) No(1) Republicans Yes (0) No (207)
SENATE: Democrats/Independents Yes (50) No (0) Republicans Yes (0) No (50)
VP Harris: Yes

And yes, this country’s spending has exploded. Your excuse that “both parties approved it” is exactly the problem. Democrats lead, Republicans cave, and we all get stuck with the bill. But you want to pretend bipartisanship means everyone’s equally responsible? Convenient.

I've said this many times but it still has not stuck with you or anyone else here. The difference between democrats and republicans is that the constituents tell the democratic leaders what they want while the republican leaders tell their constituents what they want. I have to hand it to the republicans... their feedback loop of republican leader creating a problem, the constituency believing them and voting them into office to fix it is very very tight. Like a 24 hour turn around in the right wing media sphere.

As for your laughable “feedback loop” theory... give me a break. The only tight loop here is the one between leftist talking heads feeding you doomsday narratives and you regurgitating them uncritically. You accuse the right of being manipulated by media while you’re out here parroting MSNBC fever dreams about impending authoritarianism.

Yeah yeah yeah. Since Nixon the democrats have had to fix all the problems caused by the republican party.

This thread is about Tesla and Musk, genius. Here you are shitting up another thread with your personal attack bullshit. If you want to talk about Soros or whoever you hate this week you have every right to start a thread about it.

Musk threatens your narrative, so you frame him as some dangerous oligarch. But if someone brings up a left-wing billionaire doing the same or worse? “Thread derailment!” You don’t want conversation...

[Suppressed Poet]

We are well past this just being an "illegal" immigrant issue.

I noticed you put illegal in quotations, and you affirmed PB’s point in the very first sentence of your response…