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I've had 3 script checks in the past couple of weeks across three different characters. Before this, I think the last check I got was about 6 months ago. My playing habits haven't changed. If anything, I play less now. I heard that they tried to do a bunch of spontaneous events for Halloween and went to various towns and everyone they tried to interact with was AFK (lol). They on a mission to put an end to AFK scripting?
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Originally Posted by Ramrod
Good it's about time they started doing something about it. Fully automated squads of 15 MA accounts with random trashnames stripmining the game has it becoming unplayable. What's the point anymore?
I got caught picking with my rogue, I can't really complain since it is not like I had never done it before, so I just pay more attention now. They checked me again like a week after, something came dancing in the room and asked me if I like its dancing vote yes or no, I voted yes and was instantly fried. Not sure if that was a script check but sure seemed like it.
Just the other day I came across an unresponsive corpse, fogged him back to town, went back to hunting.
Came across the exact same unresponsive corpse about 20 minutes later, fogged back, etc etc.
I think this happened like 4 times. No idea if the dude was afk scripting, but sure seemed like it.
Yeah this group in HW is insane. Including the gem purification in public areas and scripted, automated healer in that group. Just a big FU to everyone else in the zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonoftheNorth
That's funny. People on Discord were so looking forward to HW because they could "get away" from large groups like me, even though I had no plans to hunt there anyways, and it looks like someone else is doing it anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLZrizz
I haven't come across anyone that hunts regularly by hand. The players I know that hunt by hand, rarely hunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonoftheNorth
Of the last 100 or so corpses I've come across, I think 2 have been responsive. It doesn't impact me so I don't care. They don't respond, I whisper to them to send me a thought if they want help and I get back to it.
I don't know anyone that scripts that doesn't have their attention stolen from time to time whether that's someone at the door, another window, etc.
I'd venture to guess that the players with 15 accounts are also the people spending enough throughout the year to keep the game going. I've noticed the big MA groups are also the players dropping the most money every event.
If their mission is to get rid of scripting, they might as well shut the game down.
How does that affect your enjoyment of the game? I see big MA groups and it's a lot of scroll, but it doesn't affect me in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLZrizz
Destroys treasure gen in the area (I get about 1/3rd or less when they are in full swing), massive spam in a common area where id like to RP on occasion, creates spawn distortions in the area. Does that answer your question about how that affects my enjoyment of the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod
Yeah, you just don't like MA groups and you're grasping at straws to justify it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLZrizz
"RP on occasion" lol. How exactly does "massive spam" prevent you from RP'ing "on occasion?" I see plenty of people role playing in noisy areas. The funny part is you say "on occasion" because you're not actually trying to RP in the Pipe Den. You just decided that IF you wanted to RP in the Pipe Den, a little screen scroll makes it impossible so it's someone else's fault you're not RP'ing.
I'll help you out though - If you're looking for RP opportunities, try IMT or Haven instead of the Pipe Den.
Everything else you listed can be traced back to shitty game mechanics - loot cap, loot pressure, spawn rates.
Rich areas get hunted till they're poor: That's nothing new
Large groups create swarms: Nothing new
script checks should just give a negative exp modifier if you fail. if you wanted to reward active players then go back to the hook(or something similar) that gives people a go at a silvers WPS wagon or item/enhancive recharger.
Pipe den had a fun quiet community feel until the MA crews rolled in. Now it’s a dead hole like the sands and the teras statue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod
And you’re saying I need to leave my hunting area so I can do what the game is designed to provide just to accommodate botters? Think you’re upside down and lack critical thinking bro, hate to see it.
Shittty game design is the game. These problems don’t exist where the MA crews aren’t. I’m doing my part, by reporting and lobbying behind the scenes to get mechanics changed to discourage MA crews, but there’s only so much time in the day.
I think that's a reach. I went to HW for the first time yesterday and it was really obnoxious that in the 1 super node in place he sat there and just sang to gems for HOURS of screen scroll. I honestly do not care if people MA group hunt or how people want to enjoy the game but in that instance at least just goto the node in the middle of town where people don't congregate or he's a bard just go somewhere and sing song of power and have it trigger on and off it's not like being on the super node was helping him with exp absorption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod
Eventually i squelched the songs and his custom spell prep but I would err on the side that says people shouldn't have to modify their game to enjoy it. On the hand I agree with the people that say if you kick out the scripters you're probably going to shorten the life of the game.
What sort of mechanics changes to discourage MA crews?Quote:
Originally Posted by BLZrizz
I said there's better RP opportunities than the Pipe Den. Reading comprehension is hard. You really sound like one of those people that are like - "I liked it before it got popular."Quote:
Originally Posted by BLZrizz
MHO Groups such as Drake, Black Wolves, etc often causes these exact spawn/loot problems.Quote:
Shittty game design is the game. These problems don’t exist where the MA crews aren’t.
Every GM event is full of scroll.
Literally every problem you described exists outside of MA groups. Getting rid of the MA groups doesn't suddenly erase scroll in busy areas/events, change the spawn mechanics, change loot pressure/cap, etc. Every single problem you described still exists.
Well, when you finally reach your goal of ridding the game of MA crews, I hope you're prepared to put up the cash to keep the game going.Quote:
I’m doing my part, by reporting and lobbying behind the scenes to get mechanics changed to discourage MA crews, but there’s only so much time in the day.
FWIW, I have one account and have never been an MA crew. I do recognize that people with 15 accounts dropping $10,000 at events is what keeps this game going. I also recognize that the scroll from 15 characters in a room is insignificant.
Slippery slope. There is an AFK scripting instance of the game. Shattered. They can play that. Botting is against policy if they should change that based on money where does that stop? So if someone who pays 10,000 USD every event decides they don't want you to play anymore they should ban you from the game? They decide they want to be able to say the N word that should be allowed? Where does it end? Spending money on gear doesn't give you a permit to rewrite policy and it shouldn't. They should start giving out warnings to players who try to use how much money they spend to get special treatment. You wanna break the rules you gotta be willing to take the punishment. Don't like policy? Don't play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod
On screen scroll.
Too many people asked to remove the travel times to distant towns. Those travel times were put in place for a reason and it wasn't about "realism", it was about building small communities to spread out the server population. Town Gurus were there to keep those small communities involved with their own storylines.
Bring town gurus back, remove the travel shortcuts and you may get your game back.
We're not talking about people running around saying the N word. The complaint was that an MA crew was healing and purifying gems and that ruined BLZrizz's ability to "RP on occasion." You know, because crowded nodes are a brand new problem that never existed before MA crews and Lich. /sQuote:
Originally Posted by SonoftheNorth
Random environmental effects, RT locks, (more) diminishing returns on treasure for linked accounts to discourage area strip mining, more in-depth script checks, more penalties across all linked accounts for AFK scripting infractions, etc. Things that don't significantly encumber those that hunt solo/manual but would be a pain to do for multiple characters. Basically what makes the scatter a pain in the ass for MA teams, do the same for other grounds where the rest of people are basically forced due to seniority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Also modifying the definition/interpretation of AFK scripting to include multi account botting and not just being completely unresponsive (essentially change "apparent" to "actual" responsiveness to the gaming environment). It'a a fiction that someone can be 100% actually responsive to the game over multiple instances and not just using mechanical means to convey that.
You don't MA but you're a champion of MA crews apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod
The pipe den was plenty popular with a nice community of people who spoke to each other prior to 8+ MA crews spamming the place up and now no one does it unless someone is asking for healing from that team's automated and script triggered healer. And yes loot pressure, spawn mechanics, et al does happen but it's disingenuous to say multiple 8+ MA crews don't exacerbate all of those problems to another order of magnitude. And MHO, GM events are infrequent and intermittent compared to the day in day out, mass spamming of an end game hunting area that destroys the loot and "adversely affects the gaming experience" of everyone else that is forced to be there.
"There are plenty of other RP opportunities, therefore don't feel bad about losing yours to an MA botter." Really?
Come on with these terrible false equivalencies and non-sequiturs, it's like a logical fallacy machine up in here.
Why not play the shattered instance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod
(I know why, I just want to hear you say it.)
I'm not an MA person and I'm not a champion of them either. I honestly don't care. They don't bother me. Ambients, familiars, mounts, scripted items and countless other scroll-inducing mechanics don't bother me either. I also realize that the state of the game is due to a huge number of factors and things like botting, MA groups, etc are symptoms of a problem rather than the problem itself. Fixing the underlying issues would have a drastic effect on Simu's bottom line though- the people with 10+ accounts logged in 10+ hours/day are the ones keeping the game going.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLZrizz
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Originally Posted by BLZrizz
So which is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by BLZrizz
It's quite convenient that those things never take place in HW. I bet if the MHO groups were in the Pipe Den and cleaning out HW in 20+ person groups you'd feel differently. Events, from GM-led invasions, adventuring, etc to MHO hunts happen almost every single day.Quote:
And MHO, GM events are infrequent and intermittent
No one is forcing you to be there.Quote:
compared to the day in day out, mass spamming of an end game hunting area that destroys the loot and "adversely affects the gaming experience" of everyone else that is forced to be there.
Are you this bad at reading comprehension? I never said that. I never even implied that. No wonder screen scroll bothers you so much - you can barely read. You haven't lost anything. You're just playing the victim. You're on a personal crusade against MA groups and grasping at straws. Every single complaint you've listed (loot, scroll, spawn) exists outside of MA groups. Every single one. You even acknowledge that - "And yes loot pressure, spawn mechanics, et al does happen"Quote:
"There are plenty of other RP opportunities, therefore don't feel bad about losing yours to an MA botter." Really?
I'm not the one contradicting myself with every post.Quote:
Come on with these terrible false equivalencies and non-sequiturs, it's like a logical fallacy machine up in here.
It's clear that this isn't about screen scroll, loot or spawn rates, but rather you just don't like MA groups. If it's about screen scroll, let's talk about ambients, scripted gear, familiars, mounts, travel. If it's about loot, let's talk about loot pressure, loot cap and not being able to earn loot on lower level hunting grounds. Loot pressure really wouldn't matter if you could earn loot without earning exp. If it's about spawn rates, let's talk about how creature gen mechanics haven't been updated in an incredibly long time. It's not about those things though. It's about your personal hatred of MA crews because they're not playing a 30 year old text game the way you want them to.
JFC that's fucking hilarious. "Only so much time in the day" to lobby Simutronics to change a 30 year old text game to chase off these noisy kids with their multiple accounts and their loud gem purifying music.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLZrizz
Also, for all your bitching, isn't Missiya your healer bot that you keep at the Pipe Den?
Shattered sucks and everyone knows it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Also, I don't have an MA crew. I'm surprised someone keeping a healer sitting in the Pipe Den is this mad about someone else doing it tbh.
Agreed, but that's already in policy. It's not enforced because they don't want to lose the profit. Every character is supposed to respond to the environment from "EACH character's perspective," which is humanly impossible beyond a few accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLZrizz
Ex: What kind of shoes are you wearing?
Each character can't respond to that in a timely fashion if one person is answering for 10 characters.
The policy is there it's just not enforced. MA is good for business.
I don't keep any characters anywhere, I haven't played in years. Too many of their "GM's" are absolute dogshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod
Apologies, I didn't mean you. Jivan/BLZrizz I'm pretty sure has a healer bot sitting in the Pipe Den...while complaining about MA ruining the Pipe Den.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Yeah, the game lacks any sort of overall direction/cohesiveness. The GM's don't even seem to be on the same page.
Again with the false equivalencies lol. It’s a non hunting pocket healer that is manually activated. Not a script triggered one. Go in there and ask for healing and see which one automatically heals you (and is a violation of policy).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod
I come across scripters all the time, most have decent scripts running and don't interfere with my gameplay. There are a few here and there that have shitty scripts running and they go about attacking critters that I'm already fighting. If it happens once, I ask them not to do it again without asking to help and I let it go, if it happens again, I resort to AOE spells to give them RT, if it happens a third time (which it hasn't reached that point for me yet) I report them.
Occasionally I'll find someone running some kind of script - trying to buy herbs or maybe trying to visit shops to build up citizenship status maybe, either way the player will run into the shop, not have enough silver and run out to the bank and repeat this over and over and over and over and over and over and over.....I try to interact with them asking if they need help, but it falls on deaf ears and they run in and out over and over and over and over..... So I resort to dragging them to another room in the shop (behind a curtain or door) and they get stuck there. If their group isn't open, I just report them.
I still hunt by hand - type out most commands so I'm actively watching and it surprises me when I get a helping hand (knocked down, stunned) and the person helping actual interacts with me (not just runs in, pulls me to my feet and runs off) or if I stop to help someone in that situation they actually respond and not just finish killing and run off to continue their script.
Those that want to script as much as they possibly can, go for it, just try to be courteous to others around you, even if you think they're just an AFK zombie. At least that's what I'd try to do. If I have gems to sing to I find a spot that no one else visits or a table. I don't want to be spamming everyone else with my mindless, repetitive tasks.
After all your bitching about MA'ing, going so far to "lobby behind the scenes" to stop MA crews, you're MA'ing. Got it. You probably should have led with, "As someone running an MA crew...."Quote:
Originally Posted by BLZrizz
ahahahahahahahahahaha.
This reasoning ability is certainly consistent with what you’re demonstrated in the thread, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod
LOL. You're just mad you got caught running an MA crew in the Pipe Den while bitching about MA crews ruining the Pipe Den.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLZrizz
Get back to "lobbying behind the scenes." IE: I send Discord messages to GM's whining about Glaves having a better MA crew than me.
I don't disagree with the non-hyperbolic parts, but at the same time, GS would literally just die if the whales left. It's already a miracle the game still exists at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonoftheNorth
Just remember...any nerfs to MA groups are also nerfs to group play in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLZrizz
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Originally Posted by drumpel
I regularly run into scripters (not sure who, but same area almost daily) who are apparently almost always full and can't hold anymore, so they just leave tons of boxes and gems and other loot on the ground all over the place that I'll scoop up behind them.
Good times.
EDIT: Exhibit A from just now:
[Sanctum Tower, First Floor - 25237 - 25237] (u4216029)
Age-worn brass and copper spears are shackled inside of an elongated crystalline case in an elegant formation amid a varied assortment of ancient coins and tools. Erupting in sporadic intervals from the periphery, a quivering hiss rises to a fever pitch and is quickly silenced by a reverberating thud. A lengthy, gently curving path cuts cleanly through the leftover gritty rubble of a crumbling sandstone wall. You also see a cloudy alexandrite shard, a black opal, a white-point star diamond, a polished bloodwood wand and a tiny white pearl.
Obvious exits: north, southwest
Thanks for the free loot, mystery tard. :lol:
I think those might be service farmers who just care to get their weekly exp dose and can't be assed to deal with loot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
I'm totally okay with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjex
Fair point, but I think the key is tagging linked accounts, and groups that aren't tagged as linked accounts don't suffer the effects of the hypothesized/proposed "MA penalty."Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Simu will do this right after they stop selling high end items for cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLZrizz
It's possible there's some whales out there that aren't running MA crews, but all the MA crews are whales.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
They also haven't made any significant policy updates in a long time. The current policy doesn't reflect the current meta.
While I agree with you that people who script or MA should be cognizant of their surroundings and try to limit the impact they have on other players the idea of penalizing MAers is just ridiculous. If people want to play the game with multiple accounts it's their money as long as they aren't being disruptive more power to them. If I have 5 accounts in 1 hunting ground and unlink them from a group and hunt them individually does that drastically improve your game play?Quote:
Originally Posted by BLZrizz
I'm kind of getting sick of this "How does it affect you?" defense that keeps getting thrown around to try and excuse various broken systems. People love to use it to defend P2W and crap too. And when you tell them exactly how it negatively impacts you, they just make excuses.
I will admit that I personally use multiple accounts. But I hunt solo (and manually), except for the rare occasion I might have one of my capped dudes tag along while I do bandits, though they don't participate in any way. They exist to give me spells, charge my items, etc..
But I can think of several reasons why these types of things have a negative impact on my gameplay. The big ones were already mentioned here, but it goes beyond that as far as the economy is concerned. Even if you don't hunt where they do, it's still leading to more inflation as more silvers are being generated because of it.
Another huge problem I used to have with massive MA parties, was when I was near capped/fresh capped. Almost all of my deaths at that time were due to the swarms caused by a certain MAing player, and I died MUCH MUCH MUCH more frequently because of it. It was seriously a hellish nightmare for me, because it was the only capped area at the time besides the rift, and I couldn't hunt the rift easily back then because of the spell stripping pool. In fact it was what forced me to get my first MA character, to be able to give myself spells so I could actually survive.
It also sucks that you can never interact with people in a hunting ground, though that's largely a Bigshot issue in general.
Sadly, like I say often about Bigshot - a lot of these things are like a cancer. Sure, would I prefer to not have cancer in my liver? Obviously. But if they remove the cancer I'll probably die, so I'm stuck with it while it slowly kills me. But it still pisses me off when people ask me how the cancer is actually harming me!
Actually it does. Part of the issue is kill speed and the speed at which these 3+ person MA groups churn through kills, probably 1-3 seconds on average. Each kill generates loot and impacts the loot table, while a single character's average kill speed is like 5-15 seconds, which much more variance. Slows down loot generation by a significant measure because it's way less efficient, which is why the MA crews don't do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean
On the other side of this coin, I love when MA groups are out and about causing huge swarms. And I hunt manually 99% of the time. Unless you count stuff like ;wander and ;sloot as scripting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobius1
Probably not so much if I were a rogue instead of a wizard, but still.
Unrelated: Simu just needs to give every profession good AoE stuff.
I don't think hunting pressure really cares how fast a critter is killed, it just matters how many are being killed. So if a MA group is killing 20 critters in 60 seconds, and this group splits up to hunt individually, and they are now killing 20 critters in 3 minutes, then the hunting pressure is the same. And I could be wrong, but I don't think the hunting pressure comes back that fast where 2 minutes is going to make much of a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLZrizz
SoS loot has been being slept on for years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
That is all.
Exactly. It's actually better for the other hunters if MA players group because they take up less rooms in the hunting area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
I don't know why anyone would go ME or HW over SoS tbh.Quote:
SoS loot has been being slept on for years now.
I think a lot of people are under the impression that the place is way harder and/or more difficult to get in/out than it really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod
Right? I used to love when OTF had Sabrewolv's MA crew in there. I could go in and fry in like 2 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
It's not hard the same way plane 4/scatter aren't hard but it's more annoying to get in/out than other areas which is why you see the same 10 people hunting there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
As long as you can climb, it takes like 5 seconds to get in and out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean
There's some way in/out that involves a wagon or some shit too, but worst case that should only need to be used the first time going in there, since you can use a periapt to get in/out the quick and easy way, which is charged by killing stuff in there.
It's so easy even a .cmd script can do it:
Enter SoS from pretty much anywhere:
Exit SoS and run o town guard:Code:#sos
put ;go2 25218
waitfor [Fangs of the Serpent
put rub my periapt
move go portal
put stance offensive
put ;go2 25177
waitfor [Altar of the Undying
put stance defensive
Code:#sos2
put stance offensive
put ;go2 25231
waitfor [Subterrain, Pit
put stand
put rub my periapt
waitfor You run your fingers
put go portal
waitfor [Fangs of the Serpent, Gateway
put ;go2 5576
If you're really weighed down and/or have shitty climbing skill you might run into some issues but that's about the worst of it. If you're in Voln, then Transcendence will nullify any climbing injuries.
This is me currently,service farming that is. I would usually at least pick up gems, but I'm on a newer machine and my scripts weren't backed up and I've been to tired/lazy to set up a loot script that works the way i'd like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjex
Nelemar though not SoS I'm not funding Methais atm.
The weighed down part is what sucks as a square. I love hunting there on my warrior but when I get weighed down (first world GS problem, I guess) I have to leave before I get smoked, and then it's an uphill battle with keeping the periapt charged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
When I do SoS and care about loot, I'll put a locksmith or a healer at the node and have them run it out. Only time to actually leave is to get new bounties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arqueto
GS needs to fuck off with encumbrance increasing melee RT already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arqueto
It would be a huge buff to the game in general and probably help their numbers. Ranged users and casters can cry about it 24/7 if they want, in which case they can go dildo themselves too.
Having it apply to all the other stuff it currently does is good enough.
;repo download sanctum-mapdb-patch.lic
I also have ones like this for the rift for my volners so they can get to and from the sands in about 3 seconds.
So how does this actually work? I downloaded this and using ;go2 to try and get in or out gives the same error as it did before...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRoss
From SoS altar:
>;go2 1438
--- Lich: go2 active.
[go2: error: failed to find a path between your current room (25177) and destination room (1438)]
--- Lich: go2 has exited.
Is your go2 set to use the caravan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
I don't think I've ever set it to one or the other, or know how to switch it, but it's probably set to climb in/out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod
I think the only time I've used the caravan was my very first time going. I just periapt in/out with that .cmd script I posted further up, which also only takes a few seconds.
If I have my periapt on, go2 will use that with the script Ross posted installed. If it's not on, then it uses the caravan if my go2 is setup to use it. If neither, then it gives that error.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Add it to autostartQuote:
Originally Posted by Methais
That did it, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRoss
https://media1.tenor.com/m/cFsekjlQb...eap-mirror.gif
"GS needs to fuck off with encumbrance increasing melee RT already. "
Yea, or they could just cap encumbrance increasing melee RT at 3 seconds, just like they have done with mstrike.
This isn't a fix to the swinging and encumbrance issue, which I know really sucks with low strength races, but at least it's something in game you can do and doesn't cost you any money. Only cost you time.Quote:
Originally Posted by gilchristr
If you dump enough ASC points (10 total) into STR and/or PF, there is an ascension skill you can put points in to increase your carry weight called PORTER. It helps reduce encumbrance by 2 pounds per rank. 50 ranks will get you 100 pounds of reduced encumbrance.
50 ranks is clearly a post-post-cap goal, but even just putting 10 ranks (15 ascension points) into it isn't hard to do and not only will boosting up your STR helps, too, but you'll get 20 pounds more you can carry for 10 PORTER ranks.
I like the fact that my scrawny half-elf warrior has 10 ranks of STR from ascension is a good help, he's not such a sissy when it comes to carrying stuff. I don't think I'll drop anything into PORTER, but I certainly can at this point if I want to.
It's a shitty P2W thing but for me I'd rather take the annual sale and dump $40 into buying 100lb reduction potions for a year in simucoins than spend the time resources in the Porter system.
my mains being a halfling and a gnome. I'm of the same page. none of the accounts I carry are premium so I'm at limited locker space without being creative. It's not hard to go to an uncomfortable level of encumb quick. I got enough for the year tonight for 35 dollars.. I'm okay with that, I need to create a ftp mule or something again to keep up with mule stuffQuote:
Originally Posted by Sean
I ideally all the racial bonuses and penalties need to be updated.