Yep, that's me.Quote:
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Yep, that's me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
I heard they also listen to a lot of Nickelback.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Probably not.. because it's not cool enough or hip enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
I think you mean moot.
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Originally Posted by Alfster
Moatfall was a great game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Rogue
I actually think this would hold up in court as a justifiable use of force. 90 year old woman using a walker shoots and kills masked teenagers corralling the elderly woman in the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
No doubt in my mind that the older lady would walk free.
Muslim Student Forces Jewish Classmate to Kiss His Shoes
Religion of penis.
The biggest open racist in Congress, Rashida Tlaib, claims Democrats are looking for ways to arrest White House officials who won't comply with their bogus subpoenas.
The left has gone full blown fascist now. When is Antifa going to start protesting them?
Checks and balances. Welcome to America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
To you "checks and balances" means throwing your political opponents in jail because they refuse to give in to your absurd demands?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Sounds legit.
ROFL. Hysterical much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
That's exactly what Tlaib said she wanted to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Can't read much?
You don't understand how Congress, the law, and the Constitution work. You dumb fuck. Congress LITERALLY cannot tell capital police to arrest anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Why are you this stupid? Seriously. Why are you this stupid? What happened to you growing up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Trump gets angry at media coverage of him and his family.
Media: LOL! Aww poor Orange baby mad? Cry, orange baby, cry!
Biden gets angry at media coverage of him and his family.
Media: So..so...sorry, Mr. Biden. How can we make this up to you?
But she didn't change anything. If anything, I want to pollute more now.
You polluting more is technically change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
I'm not going to. I want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
THAT'S CHANGE TOOQuote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Honestly... this 16 year old, with her extensive scientific background.. is just as believable as anyone else they've trotted out saying we need socialism to save the planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Trump after walking back his troop withdrawal in Syria:
I'm sure Turkey is glad he's not going to do that again. What a nut job. Great and unmatched wisdom... pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, I am the great Wizard of Oz! I will destroy your economy! again!Quote:
as I have stated before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I've done before!),
Apparently we're at the 'threatening fellow NATO members' phase again.
Pretty goddamn embarrassing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
That "NATO member" is threatening to murder all of the people in the area that we are backing the minute we withdraw our troops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
I get why people don't like Trump, he had the audacity to win in a fair election against Hillary after all. But why are we pretending everyone Trump attacks are automatically good guys?
Who's pretending that? Trump capitulated to the Turkish without fully understanding the ramifications. Then he comes back with his ridiculous "I am the great and terrible Oz" tweet. In our case, the automatically good guys are the Kurds, our allies in the war in Syria and Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
"Capitulated" to Turkey? Give me a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
Then when he tells Turkey they better not attack our allies or their economy will suffer you then call Trump an idiot. I'm not sure but I get the feeling you are going to fault Trump no matter what he does.
It's ok, you don't need to put "capitulated" in quotes. It's apparent enough without them that he's throwing the Kurds under the bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
If he's throwing the Kurds under the bus why is he threatening to destroy Turkey's economy if they do? Democrats and the media have been tearing Trump a new asshole for his tariffs on China, surely they wouldn't do the same if he slapped tariffs on Turkey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
The narratives are probably already being crafted over at NYT. "Trump goes after our dearest and most trusted ally Turkey with his tariffs!"
No. I'm pretty sure the narrative being crafted is "Great and unmatched wisdom, WTF?" He'll watch Turkey march across the border and all that hubris will vanish into some excuse or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
I'll 100% agree with you this is a bad move on Trump's part if Turkey attacks the Kurds and he doesn't retaliate in someway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
But if Trump does retaliate, or Trump's threats are enough to thwart Turkey's ambitions to begin with, then you should agree it's a good move on Trump's part, but that probably won't happen so I'll continue breathing.
We should smoke Turkey anyway. Fuck Erdrogan.
He has you so upset... it makes me laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
Hard.
Does it get you as hard as tub installing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Are you now accusing me of not only installing tubs.. but also having a bathtub fetish!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeril
You mother fucker...
Trump limits people from 7 countries from entering the US
The left and media insist it's a blanket "Muslim ban", they then proceed to riot in the streets and call Trump Hitler.
China is literally rounding up Muslims and putting them into concentration camps.
The left and media are completely silent.
If I didn't know any better I would say the left doesn't really give a single shit about women, blacks, Latinos, Muslims, or any other minority they claim to care about. They only use them to further their goals.
Honestly, I don't mind them not talking about China but talking about the US. They don't live there. It is when they try to put China on a pedestal that I think they are fucking idiots. Like the entire climate change thing where they are completely ignoring how much China is polluting, but praising them on how much they've lowered pollution. They are never going to get down to the level of the US. Neither is India.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Confirmed China is Chinese.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
You said it, not me ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
NBA bending down and grabbing their ankles for dear life for China.
But they'll be sure to say they "respect free speech" when it comes to their players and coaches bashing Trump and his supporters at every chance they get. What a bunch of assholes.
South Park made fun of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
And China promptly removed any mention of South Park in their country. South Park creators didn't care though, but I wonder if Comedy Central will make them apologize. I don't think South Park is as big of a market in China as the NBA is though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
I doubt SP has a big draw in China.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Blizzards getting hammered too on thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
South Park is now completely banned in China.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...allies-2019-10
Jesus fucking Christ.Quote:
President Donald Trump on Wednesday defended his decision to abandon the Kurds to a Turkish military incursion in Syria by saying they didn't help the US during World War II.
This came amid reports that Turkish ground troops were crossing the border into Syria after air strikes that began earlier in the day.
"They didn't help us in the Second World War; they didn't help us with Normandy," Trump said of the Kurds. He added, "With all of that being said, we like the Kurds."
...
Ahead of the Trump administration's announcement, Kurdish forces had recently dismantled defensive positions along the Turkey-Syria border under assurances from the US it would not allow a Turkish assault. The SDF described Trump's decision to withdraw troops as a "stab in the back" and made clear it felt betrayed by the US.
Shortly after his reference to WWII on Wednesday, when he was asked by reporters whether he felt the Syria retreat and treatment of the Kurds sent a poor message to other potential US allies, Trump said, "Alliances are very easy." The president said it "won't be" hard for the US to form new partnerships.
Yeah I was really hoping Turkey wouldn't attack. Hopefully Trump holds good on his Twitter threat that he is going to hold Turkey responsible in someway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
Reading up on this more it almost sounds like Turkey was basically telling the US they were going to invade Syria no matter what, if that's true at that point what do we do? Keep troops there and get into a war with Turkey? Something tells me that wouldn't have gone over well either. I think a big problem is no one in the West seems to want to hold anyone accountable for anything anymore, unless they are long time allies like Saudi Arabia.
But holding China responsible for the shit they do? Nope, Trump only does it in regards to tariffs. No one in Congress or the rest of the West seems to give a shit.
Hold Russia responsible? Nope. Most of Europe wants that gas and oil from Russia.
Hold Iran responsible? Nope. The west can't get enough Iran dick to suck.
What happened to the West since, oh I don't know, around 2009?
What is it with you people? You want us out of Syria, you want us in Syria, which is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
I want a consistent foreign policy that isn't subject to whatever Trump feels like doing that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Could have fooled me, based on your Democrat leaders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
AOC was among a group of congresspeople who sent Trump a letter a few months ago urging him to withdraw us from Syria. She is now calling Trump's pullout reckless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Omar was among those who called to withdraw troops, haven't heard what she has to say about this yet. Rand Paul also signed that letter and he's saying he's glad Trump has kept his promise to withdraw US troops. At least he's being consistent.
More leftist media drivel. Roughly 50 US service members in support roles were withdrawn from the border region. What exactly was this troupe to do vs an impending Turkish operation? Should we go to war with a fellow UN member state over this, is that what the media is suggesting?
They were afraid to hit US Troops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furryrat
You must have missed that Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell also say we should be staying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furryrat
I did not. I thought it rather polite, actually. A call was made from one leader to another saying hey, we need to secure our border and it might get a bit messy, could you please remove your persons from the conflict zone, and in return we promise to be as neat and clean as possible. It does taste a bit sour, and I agree with that, nothing in the Middle East is as simple as we're on this side, you're on that. Turkey is also warring against Daesh and has abject interest in preventing its resurgence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
Wait.. didn't Trump run on getting us out of all these areas that hate us anyway and bring an end to all the decade long wars?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
So.. he's been saying he's going to be doing this since 2015.. but you believe he just woke up yesterday and decided that?
We keep troops there and there's no way they attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Just for the sake of argument let's say Turkey did say we are going to invade this area whether you have troops there or not. What do we do? Keep troops there and call their bluff? And if they do attack and they end up killing some of our troops, even though they warned us ahead of time of their plan, do we then go to war or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
From what I have read the troops we removed performed a support role, they weren't really combat troops.
This isn't some terrible act of betrayal. The raw facts are that the Turkish government has been fighting against their own home-grown "terrorists", the YPG, since 1978. The Obama administration created a vacuum in Iraq with massive troop withdrawals in 2011 which directly led to the formation of ISIS/ISIL/Daesh, which then spread into Syria. In 2014 corrective action was finally deemed necessary and we needed allies on the ground, and the Kurds were one of few parties who fit the role of an 'enemy of our enemy is our friend.' Sadly, this isn't the first time the US government has used the Kurds in this fashion. Iraqi Kurdistan was a pawn in the Iraq war in the early '90s, and perhaps now not so ironically, it was Turkey that also denied the US access to Iraq in 2003 for fear of inevitable sympathy for Kurdish suffering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
That wasn't how his administration was running things, though. Apparently they were completely blindsided by his latest impulse and there's no real plan in place beyond chucking deuces. We even told the Kurds we'd protect them and asked them to reduce fortification levels to reduce tensions a few weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Shit, we've worked alongside the Kurds for about 16 years now, not just in Syria but in Iraq too. These are people who have been on the literal front lines for our Middle East military adventurism and now we've abandoned them. There almost certainly will be another massive humanitarian crisis. I hope I'm wrong.
That's not what happened though. Erdogan didn't call Trump to tell him "get out of the way, we're attacking." I guess we'll see if mr "great and unmatched wisdom" uses an excuse to do nothing or acts. What we did to the Kurds was bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
From what I understand that's exactly what happened. Turkey said they were going to invade Northern Syria, Trump and Erdogan spoke, next thing you know Trump is pulling our troops back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
Heck Turkey has been talking about invading Northern Syria for months now. That's what the phone call was all about.
I don't understand the woke outrage. Can someone explain what action they would like to see in response to this? Civil war has been raging in Syria since 2011, with many foreign actors, most notably Russia. Is it now Turkey, a founding UN member, NATO member as well, that we should reprimand, sanction, and war against?
I'm confused too. Were we supposed to help the Kurds build an empire in Syria on the border with Turkey? Were we going to build a base there and station troops there forever like we did in South Korea and Japan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Furryrat
Maybe Trump could have given our Kurdish allies more of a heads up, but it's not like Turkey hasn't been threatening to invade for months now.
Again I ask what about the international community? Where is the UN? UK? Germany? France? Anyone? Is it always up to the US to build up nations and as soon as shit goes south it's all the US' fault? Why aren't more countries doing more to stand up to Turkey instead of giving out dumb statements that amount to jack shit?
I guess if you guys don't understand why abandoning military allies is fundamentally wrong, there isn't much discussion to be had.
We aren't arguing fundamentals. What action would you like to see here, right now? Turkey is an ally by treaty and charter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
Because free European healthcare comes at the cost of US blood and treasure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Remember the good'ol days when you got to tax countries for defending their shipping lanes?
We'll see what happens, but this was Trump on Monday:
US President Donald Trump said on Wednesday he would devastate Turkey's economy if Ankara's operation in northeast Syria wipes out the Kurdish population there.
Asked by a reporter if he was concerned Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan will wipe out the Kurds, Trump replied: "I will wipe out his economy if that happens."
Of course this was the Donald in 2015:
“I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul,” Trump boasted in response. “It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers — two towers, instead of one, not the usual one; it’s two. And I’ve gotten to know Turkey very well. They’re amazing people, they’re incredible people. They have a strong leader.”
His response probably hinges on how much adderall he snorts over the next couple of days. Or whether he's sundowning or not.
Like I said though what was the end goal? I thought they were mostly our allies because they happened to hate ISIS as much as we did. ISIS now controls less land than I do, so what now? Do we help the Kurds build an unofficial empire in Syria on the border with Turkey and expect our other ally, Turkey, to just be fine with this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
They were mainly our allies because of Iraq and the Halabja gassing in 1988. They’ve fought side by side with us for decades.
I'm talking about Kurds in Syria.Quote:
Originally Posted by gemstonefella
Yes but the alliance started before that. Way before that really, but in modern times the Iraq war was where they started fighting side by side with us. Remember the Turks refused to let us enter Iraq from turkey. Some friends.
Yes, at least until Erdrogan is gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furryrat
Iran and Cuba are founding members also.
They would either tell Comedy Central to shove it up their ass, or they'd make a completely sarcastic non-apology apology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Good, they suck anus too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
Fucking homosapiens.
No one is holding Simutronics accountable either, which is the real crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
I love how the left always takes the Trump bait. Every single time. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/...0&h=800&crop=1Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Does this justification also work for the Serbian invasion of Kosovo. If Milosevic had told Clinton in advance he was just there to wipe out the Albanian folks in Kosovo, would he and his generals not faced war crimes charges?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
And now we deploy 1,500 more troops to Saudi Arabia. I would buy he just woke up yesterday and decided to do this.
That ups the deployment to 14,000 more troops since May.
Gotta protect that oil.
We really don't though. I don't understand why we even care about that area anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCranium
You are right, we don't. This is all for Saudi Arabia's benefit. Probably set up on Jared's encrypted Whatsapp thread with the crown prince.
I was aiming for Seran with that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...3e&oe=5E2DD30A
I can't believe there are people out there that actually think she deserved one.
Whoever made that image is a moron. I like Thunberg but she doesn’t deserve a peace prize. Neither did Obama, of course.
The quote was directly from Newsweek.Quote:
Originally Posted by BriarFox
Yeah, I just saw the story. Ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Subway Jared?Quote:
Originally Posted by gemstonefella
https://media1.tenor.com/images/8a7b...itemid=4828647
She’s a well off white girl, of course she deserves the peace prize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
And turkey apparently bombed Americans today by accident.
Better start some Benghazi public hearings on this.
I just heard they are a threat to US troops, not that they did anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
The senior Pentagon official said that Turkish forces should be aware of U.S. positions "down to the grid." The official could not specify the exact number of personnel present, but indicated they were "small numbers below company level," so somewhere between 15 and 100 troops
The official said shelling was so heavy that the U.S. personnel were exfiltrated once the attack had ceased. Newsweek has reached out to the Pentagon for comment on the situation.
So, they didn't bomb US troops, it was just very fucking close so they left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
Too early to tell exactly how close it was. Reports that a large number of the isis prisoners have escaped as well.
And now we're deploying 2000 more troops to Saudi Arabia. Thought the policy was getting away from wars?
I personally would prefer if we just left that entire place to get fucked by themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
No disagreements from my there
Build a big fence around the whole place, ship all the "refugees" from there back and then let them sort it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Trump: <says literally anything.>
NBA: Orange man bad! Aww, what's the matter, wannabe dictator?! Gonna cry that we can express our first amendment rights?!
China led by an actual dictator: Silence all speech critical of China.
NBA: Yes, masters! We are here to appease your every whim!
If only that were possible, the hate eventually gets pointed west, due to support for Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Clinton tried that approach, result: al Qaeda.
Obama tried that approach, result: ISIS.
Policy should always be to remain, just enough, in the Middle East such that they keep fighting themselves. Think we can all agree on that.
FENCES ARE RACIST!Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
REPORTED!
To be fair.. them placating to China was a business decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
ROFL. Wow. So 8 years of Bush doesn't count for anything? Thats just blatantly partisan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furryrat
Pretty fucked up what Trump has done to one of our best allies in Syria. He needs to grow a spine and tell Turkey to back the fuck up or get fucked up.
The Left: Endless wars are bad, end endless wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
Also the Left: Pulling out was bad, we need to stay there.
The Left: Supporting countries that commit human rights violations is bad, stop dealing with these terrible countries.
Also the Left: Stop threatening Turkey, they are our NATO ally.
Sure, SOFA was negotiated by Bush and implemented by Obama, so there is culpability on both sides there. My point was only that we cannot simply disengage and withdraw entirely from the region, as much as we're all sick of it, because history has proven that the vacuum left behind will create something far worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
I wonder, if Turkey bombed these ISIS prisons, would there be more international support?
Cool story bro, let me know when you have an argument other than "BUT THE DEMOCRATS!"Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
How about you articulate your stance or critique mine.
It's like you want to make an intelligent point.. but you simply are incapable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Unless you would like to illustrate how Bush "just left that entire place to get fucked by themselves."?
Pretty sure Back spent most of the Bush years screaming for us to get out of the Middle East.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Gee, I wonder what the solution is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furryrat
Also, Al-Qaeda wasn't created by Clinton. It was created by HW's policies. They were pissy that we had troops in Saudi Arabia.
Gal Gadot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
It was allowed to thrive and grow unchecked during the 90s. The WTC was bombed for the first time in 1993, US service members were killed in Saudi Arabia in 1995, leading to the 1998 US embassy bombings, and then the bombing of USS Cole in 2000. If only it was taken more seriously then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCranium
She is literally the answer to every problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCranium
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How about you get banned for cheating?Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
I did critique yours, the Left is a bunch of flip flopping twats that can't make up their mind on anything and stay the course. They stick their finger to the political wind, see what the Right is doing and argue against it, no matter what. You are a huge heaping pile of steaming hypocrites with all the foresight of a 2 yr old hyped on soda. We can't get in and stay in because "Endless wars, end the wars" and we can't leave because "We can't abandon our allies, we have to stay". Make up your fucking mind you twats. We don't need them anymore, we export power and if we simply did practice a blood for oil scorched earth policy over there then over all life would be better for us but hey, we have to think of the children and image of bombing them like we had to bomb Germany to beat back Nazism.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
Radical Islam is a threat to life on earth and all humans that are not radical Islamist males. We might want to focus on that, stick it in for the long haul, stop tolerating that shit out of our "allies" like Turkey and start to actually stand up for Western civilization. The problem is, all you ignorant "coexist" motherfuckers can't get it through your pussy hat wearing, cuckolding, male feminist, brain dead, numb skulls that means it will take a lot more, a lot longer and a lot meaner tactics that won't be all nice and lovey dovey. Those people have a long term goal, a plan and a very organized and world spanning network to fight with and they are willing to fight for generations to make it happen while we let our generosity, openness and the Leftist Liberal White Guilt lead us to destruction.
So, how is that for a critique fuckwit?
Its a pretty shit critique. Why? You assume that because I said one negative thing about Trump that I'm a crazy lefty. Here is some info you obviously don't know, not every democrat is a bat shit crazy feminist and not every conservative is a racist, sister fucking, piece of shit. People other than yourself are capable of having nuanced opinions that can cover multiple political spectrums.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
You also don't seem to realize that what you are proposing, getting rid of Islam, would trash the Constitution. But I'm sure you've thought this whole thing out, right? I would love for all religion to just disappear.
Now go back to your Gorgon sex dungeon (basement) and beat off while having your sex doll (sock puppet) call you master.
https://media2.giphy.com/media/xmfTxnV1NtnMY/giphy.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Fortybox
I feel validated.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
The ironic part of this is that there are people on the left who would label you a Nazi/racist/whatever just for saying this.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
I assume your position across many posts and no matter if you consider yourself Leftist or not, you have posted a Leftist view so I responded as such. I can and have had many "nuanced opinions" in your words, this just isn't one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
I did not say getting rid of Islam, your reading comprehension is bad so don't put words in my mouth. I said getting rid of radical Islam and radical Islamist males. Specifically those who want to subjugate the rest of the world. Are you declaring that all men who follow Islam are radical and incapable of not going batshit crazy and living in the modern world? Are you saying that all Muslim men are predetermined to follow the very letter of the Koran down to killing every man who does not covert, enslaving every woman that does not willing submit and either converting or enslaving every child not born to a Muslim along the way? That's a pretty nasty assertion there.
I don't have a Gorgon sex dungeon, Gorgons are mythical creatures and I am not into the whole Furry scene. Nor do I have a basement, my house is a single level on an acre of land. I also don't "beat off while having your sex doll (sock puppet) call you master." Socks are for teen boys trying to hide from mother. Your imagination or fascination about my sexual proclivities is a bit disturbing, perhaps you need to talk to a professional about that?
Now please consider that your situational ethics, indecision and flexible morals may not be the best thing for the world and perhaps you need to let the adults work to solve problems.
Just so we're clear, me not wanting to fuck over our close allies that have helped significantly, is Leftist? I don't hate this because its Trump, I hate it because it fucks over the Kurds. I want him to say exactly what I said in the first post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
How are you going to pinpoint the radical males? What about US citizens? It's like a 5 year old came up with your idea, "Just round up all the bad men". "Get rid of" is fairly vague, you going to form another Australia or murder them?
And they can fuck right off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
https://media.giphy.com/media/1ztjFS0ST5zZC/giphy.gif
Man, I wonder what our WW II allies, the Russians, think of our shift in Middle East politics. I also wonder what the terrible, horrible, axis of evil enemies, Germany, Japan and Italy think about it. Because you know, things never change and are black and white.
Just to be clear, I would prefer not to fuck over the Kurds either. And the reality is that either we get out or have to go in more and stay there. People in the US have made it fairly clear that they want out. Leftists have been flip flopping on this for a decade. And you have a history of backing Leftist positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
As to pinpointing who is a radical Islamic threat, I fear that in the not too distant future they will become self selecting as the undercurrent of conflict escalates into open conflict of pretty much the entire world vs radical fanatics. When it happens, it won't be much of an issue who is who and in open conflict usually either you die or you kill the other guy.
Looks like Trump vs Reality to me. The only way he can win that battle is in a fantasy video like this.
https://youtu.be/9ZeGUqVZwzg
Remind me to quote this the day after Trump wins the 2020 election to assist with your incoming meltdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Also, remember this?
https://pluralist.com/wp-content/upl...1049510767.jpg
Kathy Griffin Outraged by Fake Video of Trump Killing Her
:lol:
Much like Kathy Griffin, you're a hypocritical retarded butthurt mongoloid.
https://i.imgur.com/bvh4Fvg.gif
Holy shit, that video is awesome. Thanks for reminding me why I voted for Trump again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
The "news" (believe me I can't possibly put enough quotes around the word "news" so I'll just stick to one) somehow sank to a new low today.
These are clips from ABC "news" with the headline "SLAUGHTER IN SYRIA" claiming the footage shows Turkey decimating a town held by the Kurds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=43&v=BuO6yJrRAYw
Only problem is the the footage is actually from a nighttime demonstration at a gun range in Kentucky from 2017.
ABC "news" has since they recognized it was an error and took down the video on their YouTube channel.
At what point do we pull our heads out of our asses and realize all of these "mistakes" aren't really all mistakes?
The Kentucky video in question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=38&v=BrH8bClnlzQ
https://i.imgflip.com/u649d.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
I think the real question is why the other major networks are not posting this story. Normally in business if a rival makes a serious error, you capitalize on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
I'm sure Fox will but the liberal "news" stations tend to cover for one another these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Candor
ROFL. PB actually loves the crook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fb/62...772a80e639.jpg
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
https://i.imgur.com/pkw7iUY.png
Btw you know that video is over a year old right? Dumbass. Try to keep up. :lol:
https://i.imgur.com/Vbf1q8n.png
Still forging quotes... you're really never going to grow out of that are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Who cares how old the video is? How does the age of the video have any bearing whatsoever on finding it hilariously lame?
Stop being a homophobe. Homophobe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
The point is that you're slow and stupid.Quote:
Who cares how old the video is? How does the age of the video have any bearing whatsoever on finding it hilariously lame?
But thanks for reposting that anyway. It's a great clip and tards on the left like you are super triggered over it.
EDIT: It all makes sense now. Back just got his marching orders is all.
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I think it perfectly sums up Trump's failed presidency. Its mental illness battling against reality. Its the fever dream of lone wolf shooters everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
You're such a butthurt little drama queen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
Please post more often.
Where did I say that specifically?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
I literally said "the video is awesome" and "Thank you for reminding me why I voted for Trump again"
Literally nothing about my feelings about President Trump at all.
I'd offer a learn to read.. but we both know that requires a brain.
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Originally Posted by Methais
I've fixed your quote so I could finally agree with you 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
The house passed a resolution condemning Trump’s Syria pullout. The same party that was marching in the streets over “Bush’s” wars. Doesn’t congress declare war? Can’t they just vote for war so Trump has to send the troops back? Or are meaningless virtue signaling resolutions the only thing Democrats know how to do anymore?
Still a piece of shit move on his part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Why? How do you know Turkey didn't call him and say "We are moving on Syria, get your peeps out or they might die."?Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
I don't get the angst when we don't know the story. It's chicken little syndrome.
You may be comfortable with Turkey dictating how we mobilize our military, I'm not. You know Turkey thinks the Kurds are terrorists, you know they are going to press the delete button on them. They have been immensely helpful in Syria and now we are throwing them to the wolves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
You really think Turkey would have potentially started a war and risked NATO status if we said "Back the fuck up"?
I don't understand how you're getting to chicken little. The one group of people who stood beside us throughout the mess in Iraq and Syria has been the Kurds. We just threw them under the bus. It was a shitty thing to do to our most loyal and most helpful allies. It sounds like you're suggesting Erdogan threatened Trump, stating they were going to attack our allies, and Trump's response is to get out of the way so that the bombings could commence? Some allies we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
And speaking to TG01s comment about "Bush's wars," how in the world does being against war with Iraq equate with wanting to treat our allies poorly once we're in it?
Turkey is our ally too, an actual sovereign nation, why do people always forget about this part when discussing this?
As far as the Iraq analogy, why are you for keeping troops in a war zone seemingly forever if you were against the Iraq war? Something tells me if Obama did this you would be saying he deserves another phony peace prize.
Russia was our ally in WWII. Japan, Germany and Italy were our enemies. Fucking times change.
I'm don't profess to be an expert, and I'm damn sure all of you aren't either. And the "news" regardless of your political stance, is chicken little.
Yeah, things change over 50 years....They also have democracies now as well. Can you point to what changed with our relationship with the Kurds, other than Trump essentially saying fuck you all? Pretty sure nothing has changed and our relationship with Turkey has only gotten worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Yah. I don't pretend to fully understand the events. What I can understand is the leadership of the Pentagon, the military forces, and even the diplomats were caught off guard when he made a decision on a whim. That can be just fine in some things, but I imagine the stakes are higher when you're talking isis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
What's even sadder is that I'm not sure he did this for any reason other than personal gain, whether he thought they'd take away his Trump towers, or he was trying to change the narrative in the media. Whatever the reason, I would hope future decisons have actual plans with them..
There's this thing called diplomacy, where you talk with the pertinent parties and figure out a solution. You don't just get on the phone with the guy who wants to bomb your allies and say "oh ok, knock yourself out." You do the hard work of figuring out a solution that doesn't include slaughtering our allies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Instead of that, we have our best allies in the region turning to Putin and Assad for help, as they get attacked by Turkey.
By your logic, if Poland attacked England, you'd be proclaiming "Poland is our ally too!" instead of suggesting that we try to help our allies avoid conflict in the first place.
And? This feels like half an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
It passed 364 - 60. Trump found a way to get bi-partison support for something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Turkey has been planning this for months now, not to mention Turkey has considered the Kurds to be terrorists for years, it wasn't just a random phone call.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
This is why you should turn off CNN once in a while.
If the argument is "But the Kurds are our allies! We should help them!" then what about Turkey being our allies too? If someone wants to make the argument that Kurds are our better allies or something then make that argument, but simply saying "We need to help our allies" doesn't work in this scenario because both sides are our allies.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
Yeah but once again the Republicans are supposedly the war mongers of the nation, of course they want to keep troops in the Middle East forever. What are the Democrats' excuse?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
So, since they asked we should just let Turkey slaughter our other allies because Turkey is also our ally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
I just want someone to explain to me what the end goal was for us in regards to the Kurds in Syria. I'm not necessarily saying Trump made the right move, but depending on what the alternatives were that people are pushing for he very well may have. But it seems like the only arguments being made is: The Kurds are our allies therefore we should have stayed.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
This would be a totally different scenario if the Kurds were an allied sovereign nation being invaded by Turkey, but they aren't. Syria is the sovereign nation in question here and they apparently are mobilizing to meet the Turkey invasion.
I don't think we should be pulling out personally. I would have liked for us to not have gotten involved in the Middle East for a prolonged engagement, but we are. I think things are going to get much worse, for us, if we fully pull out of the region.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Turkey just feels like its one step away from screaming death to America.
Based on what? A sincere question, I’m current with news and consider myself fairly well educated... why would you think Turkey is a step away from being Iran? I haven’t seen news indicating that, but I could have missed it, before this last week.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
But what do you think our end goal should have been with the Kurds in Syria? We help them build their own nation state on the border with Turkey? We keep troops there until Turkey decides they no longer consider the Kurds to be terrorists?Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
Because all brown people are the same to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
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Originally Posted by Gelston
I don't know, I don't have all the information needed to make that decision. I have a strong suspicion there is something in between staying there forever and just saying fuck it I'm taking my ball and going home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Oh, so is England one step away from saying Death to America too? No you said Turkey.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
It's a fucked situation. Changing from whatever the long term plan was on a whim seems to be the main issue. Again - when you're catching the intelligence community off guard, the military off guard, and the diplomats off guard you've effectively created the mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Who is the beneficiary here? Hint: Trump keeps his towers and Putin's laughing at us.
So what if they've been planning this? How does Turkey's planning matter to us? Calling someone a terrorist doesn't make them one. Donald Trump sold out our allies, and a fucked up situation is now more fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
I can not...believe this is real.
Let's work out a good deal! You don't want to be responsible for slaughtering thousands of people, and I don't want to be responsible for destroying the Turkish economy-and I will. I've already given you a little sample with respect to Pastor Brunson.
I have worked hard to solve some of your problems. Don't let the world down. You can make a great deal. General Mazloum is willing to negotiate with you, and he is willing to make concessions that they would never have made in the past. I am confidentially enclosing a copy of his letter to me, just received.
History will look upon you favorably if you get this done the right and humane way. It will look upon you forever as the devil if good things don't happen. Don't be a tough guy. Don't be a fool!
I will call you later.
Because you made it sound as if Turkey just called up Trump out of the blue for no reason whatsoever and this was the result. Turkey has had to put up with what they consider to be terrorists right on their border, they've been planning this invasion for months. This wasn't just Erdogan getting a crazy idea at midnight on a Thursday night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archigeek
And see you keep saying Trump "sold out our allies", Turkey is our ally. You can't just say "We gotta help our allies, yo!" because both sides are our allies. Going by your reductionist logic we should be helping Turkey.
Also can you just tell me what our end goal for the Kurds in Syria should have been? I've been asking this for over a week now and not a single person can give me an answer. It's like you don't know what is right, you just somehow know that Trump is wrong because Rachel Maddow on MSNBC said so.
Everyone forgets the Kurds refused to allow us to invade Iraq through their lands.
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
Yes, we know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
The Kurds were only our allies in as much they needed us. Same way we needed them at the time. That relationship is over.
Goddamn that reads like a child wrote it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster
You mean Turkey?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Nope, I mean the Kurds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
We had special operations forces in their territory prior to the start of the war. They and Peshmerga were the entirety of our troops in the north and by all accounts were effective. The main push came from the south because we had access to ports and air bases. We would have come (harder) from the north if Turkey wasn't being a lil' bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Go away Carolanne.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
Go away Carolanne.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
Are you so retarded to think Trump made that decision?Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
Or you know, they still would have anyways. When we aren't nation building we have usually blown up shit we can't take with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annahlee
Turkey has agreed to give the Kurds 5 days to flee the area in exchange for no US sanctions or tariffs.
Does Trump now get credit for saving the Kurds or...I’m guessing not.
In case those of you who are unaware of why Turkey has been wanting to do this for months now: they have millions of Syrian refugees living in their country and they wanted to create a “safe zone” in Syria along their border so those Syrians could move back to their country.
The Kurds had months to withdraw before hand but like Trump said everyone (Kurds and Europe and others) just expected the US to do everything as usual.
What is the problem with Turkey overseeing a safe zone in Syria for Syrians? If we are just assuming Turkey is so evil they can’t be trusted with anything then why are they even still in NATO?
To recap all of this shit:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
A civil war breaks out in Syria.
Syrian refugees flee to Turkey by the millions.
Turkey is like "Hey Europe, wanna help with these refugees?" Europe is like "LOL! No thanks! They're all brown like your country is so they can stay there!"
Turkey is like fine, we'll setup a safe space in Syria so the refugees can go back home.
Kurds are like "LOL! No thanks, we like living on your border, we got US troops here so you can't do shit!"
Turkey is like "Hey US, we want to set up a safe space along the Syrian border so Syrian refugees can go back home."
US is like okay we'll withdraw our troops but don't be committing atrocities.
The Kurds are like "Fuck that shit, we'll fight before we run!"
A couple of days later Kurds are like "Okay we'll run!"
US gets Turkey to give the Kurds 5 days to flee.
And somehow in all of this Trump is the bad guy here? What am I missing? Can someone just please point out exactly how Trump is the bad guy here? The Kurds knew what Turkey wanted to do for months and they insisted on using US troops as a shield against a possible incursion from Turkey, an incursion Turkey only wanted to do because their country was flooded with millions of refuges.
At the least he could have negotiated for those 5 days from the start, not just flipping a switch and saying LOL good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
The Kurds didn't want to leave then, they wanted to fight. It took a couple of days to remove US forces from the area, the Kurds could have started leaving at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
They probably weren't able to just burn whatever they couldn't immediately take, like we did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Maybe it was something like...Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
Trump: Hey Kurds, we're bringing our troops home and you should go home too.
Kurds: lolol fuck that we're staying here while you protect us
Trump: Ok then...
*TROOPS LEAVE*
Kurds: Fuck, I guess we're going home then.
In those exact words, verbatim.
And where exactly do you think the Kurds live?Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
in four or five different shithole countries?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
The Turks only attacked because they don't like the idea of elements that they consider terrorists setting up camp directly on their borders. They felt it would add new life to the Kurdish terrorism occurring right now in their own country. I imagine we'd do the same thing if people we considered violent terrorists, that are responsible for constant ongoing attacks within our borders, set up camp on the other side of the Rio Grande.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
Or maybe we wouldn't. Hello drug cartels.
I can only imagine the US response if Mexico allowed ISIS to setup camp along the border with the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Then again Nancy Pelosi might welcome the move, since she loves to defend MS13 gang members.