Return to Coraesine Field - combined teasers thread

[Dendum]

Well, and I mean this in the nicest possible way, Simu just saved me whatever the cost of a ticket would be as there is no way I can win an auction for a spirit bow and that was all I really wanted to try for.

[Manamethis]

The splitter one just lost all attractiveness to me.


It looks like the splitter is only good if you already have a splitting weapon.

"- If the weapon is not already a splitter, then it can be converted to a locked splitter"

Pretty stupid IMO.

[Methais]

What the hell is a splitter?

And didn't Emeradan quit a few years ago?

[Androidpk]

He moved over into dev work.

[Fallen]

What the hell is a splitter?

And didn't Emeradan quit a few years ago?

Does literally what it says, adds a script to your weapon so it can be split into two identical forms. The unlocked version retains the enchant of the "main" weapon, while the locked version drops to half the enchant. Great for TWC. Any properties gained by the blade when whole transfers to the second blade. Enchants also count for both weapons, but you only need to do 1. Etc.

[MrMortimur]

For an event like RtCF there is no way that having the splitting service done should result in a locked version. Nor should I have to bring a locked version acquired from EG in order to get a nice final product at this event.

[Donquix]

Does literally what it says, adds a script to your weapon so it can be split into two identical forms. The unlocked version retains the enchant of the "main" weapon, while the locked version drops to half the enchant. Great for TWC. Any properties gained by the blade when whole transfers to the second blade. Enchants also count for both weapons, but you only need to do 1. Etc.

The main benefit is weapon bonding for paladins/warriors. The bonding benefits apply to both of the split weapons, that's the REAL benefit of it. That it's a complicated, expensive, rarely given service to make up for a glaring design oversight that doesn't allow you to bond to a pair of weapons :D

[Fallen]

>>1. Resistances
>>>a. Can resistances be added to shields?

Yes.

>>>b. How is that total 30% split?

Up to 3 resistances. You may use preexisting resistant pieces to remove the vulnerability with the point spread as well. But it's between ONE item, and the item can have NO MORE than 30% total, including preexisting resistance. So in my opinion, if you're going to use a preexisting item, the best case scenario is something that is 5% resistant and 5% vulnerable. That way you can still have your full 30%.

>>>c. Can we have a price breakdown?

It would be impossible to give logical numbers. It gets expensive though.

>>2. Self Charging Items
>>>a. Full list of defensive buffs and the x/day on each

They are coming.

>>>b. Full list of offensive buffs and the x/day on each

They are coming.

>>>c. Costs for each spell

The price of the raffle or auction.

>>3. Weigh reducing containers
>>>a. Pricing

Price of the raffle or auction.

>>4. DB Items
>>>a. How many enchants, assuming 1x?

Yes 1x.

>>>b. Can it be added to an existing DB item instead of making a new one?

I'll check into this, but the plan was for new creation. Ear, ears, socks, under garment, in hair, and pinworn not allowed.

>>>c. Pricing

Price of the raffle of auction.

>>5. Banes
>>>a. Weapon only or shields allowed? (drool undead bane shield with new manuvers)

For these, weapons only. Banes aren't limited to weapons though, just for future reference.

>>>b. Any specific scripts/abilities that disqualify an item from adding bane?

There may be scripts out there that will simply never work, but nothing normal.

>>6. Gory weapon
>>>a. This says creation/adding, can this be added to an existing weapon?

Yes. Or a weapon can be created. Properties will be disclosed when we post more details about each service.

>>>b. If made as a new weapon what will the stats on said weapon be?

See above.

>>>c. What exactly does fully unlocking a gory weapon entail? (special abilities or just a lot of scripts?)

The script is 16 verbs large, and has a lot of description modifications it can have. But let me make it clear, the script is largely fluff. The Zealot (1617) spell knowledge is something we're tacking on. It's not part of the script itself or anything.

Nailed it!

>>Is there a max number of resistances that can be added to one armor?

Just posted about it.

>>What types will be offered?

Any.


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Very useful info.

[msconstrew]

For the DB item creation, will the item be further enchantable by a wizard or PPs?

[Jarvan]

For the DB item creation, will the item be further enchantable by a wizard or PPs?

Nope. DB's never are.

Basically.. it's a 1x db item. But they are allowing you to add it to an existing item. Like your favorite belt, or cloak or such.

They can be ETable at special events.. like RtCF, the ET slot works for DB.

[Helsfeld]

of course not

[crb]

I do think too many splitters are going out. 5 per run? 15 total? Are there 15 TWC using people out there who can afford/would want such things? And no major runestaff services, which are used by a large amount of the population.

[Fallen]

I guess because they are rare, but mechanically not all that powerful they fit the bill quite nicely as a "major" service. Plus, you really need to win the damn service twice to move a vanilla weapon to a true splitter. That seems silly to me, but hey.

[celtani]

Given the extreme lateness of the teaser I wonder whether they were originally going to be a minor that got moved to major when some things got shifted around.

[crb]

goo dpoint celtani, maybe they can be moved back and someone put in place

[msconstrew]

goo dpoint celtani, maybe they can be moved back and someone put in place

Who do you want put in there, V??

[Archigeek]

Honestly I think the minor version of a splitter should be a minor win. Win that and you've basically won a project.

[Lord Orbstar]

ditto

[Donquix]

Yup, should be a minor.

OR E needs to update the script so the "locked" version leaves the mainhand at full strength and halves the stats on the split off hand version only, if possible. If THAT was the case then the "locked" still seems at least kind of majorish. but making a great weapon two average weapons so you can use a cman/spell on them to full effect does not a major win make, in my opinion.

[crb]

If you made it a minor service I think you'd have to limit what it could go on then though. If someone had some 10x ICW katar or whatever, the service would definitely be a major even with the enchant halved. I just think the supply exceeds demand here.

[thefarmer]

I've got a (will be done enchanting in about 2 weeks) 6x falchion that's a locked splitter if anyone 4srs wants to fully unlock it one of the runs.

[Manamethis]

Please add DB to good slots.

What would be the best slots?

Not a cloak?

[SHAFT]

Please add DB to good slots.

What would be the best slots?

Not a cloak?

Pin worn

[Ardwen]

depends what items ya own, DB clothing if possible is best actually since almost no items are functional clothing

[Donquix]

If you made it a minor service I think you'd have to limit what it could go on then though. If someone had some 10x ICW katar or whatever, the service would definitely be a major even with the enchant halved. I just think the supply exceeds demand here.

i'd love a (real) splitting perfect 7x+ katar or similar. :(

Less than enthused for two 3.5x perfect katars.

[celtani]

Most of the available information on this should now be on Krakiipedia.

http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_Coraesine_Field

[Wrathbringer]

No pin worn db items. Or ear worn, unfortunately.

[Gweneivia]

No pin worn db items. Or ear worn, unfortunately.

And no socks...W T F

[Buckwheet]

I would think Belt would be very popular now as a slot with UAC. If I was going to make a DB item it would for sure be a belt.

[Roblar]

I'd think DB wouldn't work with giftbox enhancive belt?

If not, cloak? TheDB cloaks I know are cheaper because they don't have pockets but if you add to your existing VLA max deep/light cloak I'd think it'd be a good slot.

[Sheikh]

The downside to cloak worn DBs is that you lose a cheap container slot, but I am under the impression that they are allowing you to add +5 to an item you already have. That would make a nice VLA max light/deep container very valuable.

[Aluvius]

I found some old doeskin trousers that might be nice for the DB conversion. I know I'm having fun keeping my runestaff in them and touching it constantly. :)

[Fallen]

>>Maybe they should not offer the bow. Problem solved. Maybe they should cancel the whole event.

You know, for April Fool's Day, I was going to post that.

But no, event is solid.

The bow has brought to light some issues I'd like to hopefully resolve, should we ever do an event like this again. But it's unlikely to see another event like this for awhile. And no, the forum discussions and debates aren't the reason. I'd just like to focus on some new-style events, and bring back some classic. But I think we were due for an event of this nature.

I'm sorry archers don't have a whole lot to look forward to. And I'm sorry runestaff users don't have anything exclusive to them. A number of staff members have noticed this, and people were even drumming up ideas for future events already.

The lists are set in stone though at this point. The soul glove/spirit bow won't be attuned, and it will be an auction. The pure coraesine will be an auction. The splitting weapon service is still quite beneficial to TWC warriors and paladins, even with a locked version, because the benefits of having 2 bonded/sanctified weapons is huge for the cost of a little AS loss, and you'll have the option to get those unlocked one day.

We hope everyone can enjoy the event. We have some fun surprises still to come. And I'm working on the MINOR service list for everyone, which blows theMAJOR away.


~Wyrom, SGM


Nice to see some of this stuff finally set in stone. People are freaking out about that fucking bow.

[Kitsun]

Seriously. People need to chill the hell out over the damn gauntlet bows. At this point, no one even has a guaranteed shot at a ticket. So wtf.

[thefarmer]

Gauntlet bows are srs business and what a majority of people want.

[Donquix]

"because the benefits of having 2 bonded/sanctified weapons is huge for the cost of a little AS loss"

This is pretty much horseshit. It's a nice service, but locked it's just not a major service i'm sorry. It's hacky BS to fix something that should already be baseline for bond/sanctification.

[Nilandia]

Okay, it took me a bit longer than I'd anticipated, but the GSGuide wiki page is up to date with all of the information I have at the moment. It's split up into three pages - base, merchant services, and shop listings - for easier reference.

http://gsguide.wikia.com/wiki/Return_to_Coraesine_Field

Enjoy!

Gretchen

[thefarmer]

"because the benefits of having 2 bonded/sanctified weapons is huge for the cost of a little AS loss"

This is pretty much horseshit. It's a nice service, but locked it's just not a major service i'm sorry. It's hacky BS to fix something that should already be baseline for bond/sanctification.


Being able to bond to two weapons should be baseline for Warriors and Paladins?

[Donquix]

Being able to bond to two weapons should be baseline for Warriors and Paladins?

yes?

Being able to bond to a pair of weapons that must be used together to receive the benefit should be baseline. Not allowing twc users to bond to a pair of weapons is the same as saying THW weapon users should only get half the benefit.

[thefarmer]

yes?

Being able to bond to a pair of weapons that must be used together to receive the benefit should be baseline. Not allowing twc users to bond to a pair of weapons is the same as saying THW weapon users should only get half the benefit.

Uh. Wut?

So I'm clear. Are you talking about being able to bond to splitters should be baseline? Because being locked or unlocked doesn't affect the ability to bond.


If you're not talking about these, which is what I took your post to mean, then are you talking about bonding to two random weapons?

edit: If I'm right and you are talking about two random weapons, then I really don't think bond should work for two separate weapons. Because there's actually nothing that really says those two weapons have to go together. Nor do I think the THW comparison works.

[SHAFT]

Okay, it took me a bit longer than I'd anticipated, but the GSGuide wiki page is up to date with all of the information I have at the moment. It's split up into three pages - base, merchant services, and shop listings - for easier reference.

http://gsguide.wikia.com/wiki/Return_to_Coraesine_Field

Enjoy!

Gretchen

Well done

[Donquix]

Uh. Wut?

So I'm clear. Are you talking about being able to bond to splitters should be baseline? Because being locked or unlocked doesn't affect the ability to bond.


If you're not talking about these, which is what I took your post to mean, then are you talking about bonding to two random weapons?

edit: If I'm right and you are talking about two random weapons, then I really don't think bond should work for two separate weapons. Because there's actually nothing that really says those two weapons have to go together. Nor do I think the THW comparison works.

I'm talking about the fact that splitters biggest benefit, by far, is you can bond to them and get the bonding benefit for both weapons. And that it should be a normal part of bonding for a twc user to bond to a set of weapons and only get the bonding benefits when using that set. The comparison to THW is 100% accurate. You choose a weapon style that sacrifices defense for offense, then one of your class-defining abilities only effects half of that increased offense. It is exactly the same.

[Fallen]

Okay, it took me a bit longer than I'd anticipated, but the GSGuide wiki page is up to date with all of the information I have at the moment. It's split up into three pages - base, merchant services, and shop listings - for easier reference.

http://gsguide.wikia.com/wiki/Return_to_Coraesine_Field

Enjoy!

Gretchen

Nice, Nilandia. I meant to start a new thread here strictly for the storyline. Mind if I link the site if someone doesn't beat me to it?

[Sile]

I think if the splitter function was somehow movable from one weapon to another. It would increase its appeal. Make it like a specific sheath that splits the weapons.

[Fallen]

I think if the splitter function was somehow movable from one weapon to another. It would increase its appeal. Make it like a specific sheath that splits the weapons.

Very neat idea. At this point, thought, that'd be a grand auction item as it would basically devalue all existing splitters. Perhaps it can only do the "locked" version of splitting on weapons or something. You should suggest this on the officials.

[Nilandia]

Nice, Nilandia. I meant to start a new thread here strictly for the storyline. Mind if I link the site if someone doesn't beat me to it?
Feel free! Anyone can link the site if they wish, and I'd be most grateful if anyone lets me know there's any way the site can be improved.

I do need to ask one favor from the population at large, though. I can't justify the cost of going more than once, so I most likely won't be going on the first run in Prime. Perhaps someone might be willing to log the shops for inventory and/or send information on the different services, such as the merchant's name and where it's being done?

Gretchen

[dszabo]

The best part is the script is already in place. Just change a dupe quiver to a dupe sheath.

[Manamethis]

Have they said what the consolation prize is? I can see at least 10 people not choosing a "MAJOR" prize.


The ASG changes offered by Aulis are a joke. The splitting weapons are a minor service if they're locked. Even the creature banes don't compare to permablessing, or adding 10 points of weighting/padding.


I would be more satisfied if the major prizes were more equal so everyone gets a good prize. The Spell tattoos should be major, not ASG changes. What a fail.

[Nilandia]

So in order to actually get this list out in a reasonable amount of time, I can't give you the formatting I did for the MAJOR Services. Because there are over 270 and counting MINOR services right now. And it would consume a lot of time. The consolation prize is a fully unlocked ClimateWear garment from a stock pile of descriptions. So here is the MINOR list.

Acuity/Mana Flare Boosts
Animal Companion Grooming
Armor and Weapon Moods Package
Banshee Flares
Bubble Flares
Common/Uncommon Flares (Armor and Shields)
Common/Uncommon Flares (Weapons)
Custom Loresongs
Custom Nightmares
Custom Perfume
Custom Signature Verbs
Custom Sonics
Custom Spell Preps
Custom Titles
Custom Log On/Off
Defender Bonuses
Disarm Returner
Enhancive Permanence
Enhancive Recharging
Enhancive Removal
Enhancive Swapping
Enhancive Weapons
Epic Deepening
EzScript Package
Feature Concealing Hoods (Not ClimateWear)
Fusion Bows (3-slot)
HiddenBracer
High End Enchanting Potions
Impure Coraesine
Ironwright Flares
Ithzir Armor Flares
Magic item Recharging
Pocket Adding
Removal Service
Rotating Flares
Rune Tattoos
S Class Battle Minis
Stock Signature Verb Package
Uncommon Sorcerer Rune Teaching
Weightless Containers
...And Much More!


~Wyrom, SGM
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[Gelston]

Tickets will go on sale for Premium users May 1st for the first Prime run. We will do a batch of 25 tickets around noon EDT. And we will do 25 tickets again around 8pm EDT. On May 2nd, we will do the same thing, but for all subscribers.

Tickets for Platinum's run in July will go on sale June 1st, 50 tickets at noon. And then on June 2nd, another 50 tickets. Since by default all Platinum users are Premium subscribers, there will be no need to change the subscription status between the two days.

For Prime's 2nd and 3rd run, we will mimic the same outline as May, except we will sell them in July and August for August and September.

Ticket price will be $74.95.

There will be a way to achieve a free ticket to the event. Should you buy a ticket, and then be one of the lucky people to find a ticket, just contact billing to get everything straightened out. If that situation happens, the ticket will go back on sale, so be sure to check the ticket page every now and then. I will announce when a free ticket has been claimed. And I will announce when there are no more. There will be one per run (yes, including Platinum).


~Wyrom, SGM
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This message was originally posted in Quests/Sagas/Events, Returning to Coraesine Field. To discuss the above, follow the link below.

http://forums.play.net/forums/19/218/3208/view/1563

[SHAFT]

Custom titles look sweet. As do the 3 slot fusion bows

[Fallen]

Already some rumblings about premium only getting first dibs on 50 of the 100 available tickets. I suspect both batches will sell out within minutes of their release.

[DCSL]

I'll take companion grooming, custom perfume, custom signature verb, custom spell prep, defender bonus, enhancive charging, EZ script package, impure coraesine and rune tattoos. Seriously, anyone who wins a custom perfume but, for some ungodly reason, does not want it... sell it to me.

[Jarvan]

Already some rumblings about premium only getting first dibs on 50 of the 100 available tickets. I suspect both batches will sell out within minutes of their release.

This is bullshit really. They know it's bullshit, it's just people thinking they should be "fair". Premium getting first dibs on all the tickets is fair. If you want your shot, go premium. You don't want to pay a bit extra, tough fucking luck.

[Androidpk]

I think it is completely fair. Being premium doesn't give you sole access to events, it gives you advanced access.

[Jarvan]

I think it is completely fair. Being premium doesn't give you sole access to events, it gives you advanced access.

Actually, yes it does, if Every premium person wants to go. This is how it has always been done. Premium gets first shot, if anything is left over, it goes to basic.

Limiting how many tickets can be "pre-purchased" by premium is not advanced access, nor first chance. The whole point of doing staggered sales is to give people in different timezones the ability to buy a ticket. It should still be premium first. If there was 100 premium accounts, and all 100 wanted to go, and 10 basic people got a ticket, then 10 premium people would not have been able to use their advance ticket sales.

Granted, there is over 300 premium, and likely over 300 premium that wants to go. Well, frankly, they pay more, they SHOULD get a chance to buy all the tickets if they want. It's still limited to 1 per account. Hell, at 300, there was a chance some basic could have gone anyway.

But once again, for some people (maybe not you) if you want a chance at a ticket, you fucking become premium. Hell, it's how I FIRST became premium, so I could get a ticket to an event like 8 or 9 years ago. I ended up staying premium.

[Androidpk]

Wrong. Premium simply get advance ticket sales. That isn't my opinion, that is straight from the mouths of GMs as well as their website.

"Premium customers always get the chance to sign up first."

This is a limited ticket event. Not a limited ticket premium only event.

[Jarvan]

Wrong. Premium simply get advance ticket sales. That isn't my opinion, that is straight from the mouths of GMs as well as their website.

"Premium customers always get the chance to sign up first."

This is a limited ticket event. Not a limited ticket premium only event.

So you are saying that if 150 premium people wanted to sign up and there was 100 ticket available all at once, SOME of those ticket would go to basic since it's only a "chance" Maybe there is a "chance" signing up fails?

And you are also wrong, it's been stated before by GM's that the perk applies to tickets SOLD, not all tickets. Simu can give away or have contests for tickets. But any ticket SOLD the premium "chance" applies to.

EG 2009, god Auction, tickets went out via gold wrapped candy I believe?


Also.. DM was a Limited ticket event.. where premium had access to EVERY ticket first, and almost all went to premium accounts. CCF premium had a chance at EVERY ticket first. Same with every other limited ticket pay event.

Good try, but try again.

[Androidpk]

Being premium doesn't guarantee getting a ticket, it only guarantees you get an advance opportunity to buy a ticketticket.

[Jarvan]

Being premium doesn't guarantee getting a ticket, it only guarantees you get an advance opportunity to buy a ticketticket.

But they are not giving me an opportunity to buy tickets 51-100 in advance. They are giving everyone the chance at the same time.

The perk doesn't say "Some tickets" it says "always".

Find me an event with limited ticket sales where Basic could buy tickets right away.

I'll wait.

[Androidpk]

Don't be daft. There are 100 tickets being sold per run. Premium members only get first shot at the first 50 tickets.

[Jarvan]

Don't be daft. There are 100 tickets being sold per run. Premium members only get first shot at the first 50 tickets.

And that is the problem. If all 100 tickets went on sale at once, and a premium person didn't get a ticket because it sold out, then yes, they had their "chance". Doing it this way you can't say that.

BTW.. did 5 of the 10 tickets for the runs of Black swan castle go only to premium, and the rest to anyone?

it's ok, you can answer truthfully.

[Helsfeld]

I feel like I signed up for premium for fwi now what the fuck lol

[crb]

In fact, in the past, they've even limited it to longer term premium members. You had to have been a premium member for the three preceding months (they they would gladly take your money to backdate your starting point).

[Jarvan]

In fact, in the past, they've even limited it to longer term premium members. You had to have been a premium member for the three preceding months (they they would gladly take your money to backdate your starting point).

And yet, they for some reason decide to go the other way this time. Yes, lots of people want to attend this. It's like everything though, if you want something limited, you have to pay for it. Just seems like some people don't want to have to pay for it.

[dszabo]

And yet, they for some reason decide to go the other way this time. Yes, lots of people want to attend this. It's like everything though, if you want something limited, you have to pay for it. Just seems like some people don't want to have to pay for it.

More proof liberals are taking over the world!

[SHAFT]

Who is trainertwo on the officials?

I agree with trainertwo on the tickets. The staggering of sales is just stupid. Not a fan of it.

I like the idea of putting 101 for sale at noon may 1st, premium gets first crack, and when they're gone they're gone.

[Jarvan]

Me

[dszabo]

I dunno, I'm not a premium, but I DO agree with premium getting first crack at ALL the tickets. They should however be staggered to accommodate premium work schedules. 50 released at midnight, 50 released at noon, or something similar.

[Jarvan]

I dunno, I'm not a premium, but I DO agree with premium getting first crack at ALL the tickets. They should however be staggered to accommodate premium work schedules. 50 released at midnight, 50 released at noon, or something similar.

This is what I figured they were doing, 25 released at different hours through may 1st so people east coast through west coast, and maybe some of our Non North America players could have a shot.

[Androidpk]

I'm premium and I'm glad that basics are getting the opportunity to attend this rare event.

[SHAFT]

I dunno, I'm not a premium, but I DO agree with premium getting first crack at ALL the tickets. They should however be staggered to accommodate premium work schedules. 50 released at midnight, 50 released at noon, or something similar.

Yeah that's cool. Whatever.

Not directed at you dszabo, but who the fuck cares about being fair? They can shove fair up their ass. You want fair? Pony up the extra $25 per month.

Simu needs a real business mind making these decisions. Whoever makes the final call on these sorts of decisions is fucking stupid.

I generally try to defend Simu and stick up for the gm's, but every now and again they just do stupid shit that is blatantly idiotic. Like announcing black swan tickets out of the blue and putting them up for sale with no heads up.

[Jarvan]

I'm premium and I'm glad that basics are getting the opportunity to attend this rare event.

Basic's always have the opportunity though.

They can go premium, or hope it doesn't sell out.

[Jarvan]

Yeah that's cool. Whatever.

Not directed at you dszabo, but who the fuck cares about being fair? They can shove fair up their ass. You want fair? Pony up the extra $25 per month.

Simu needs a real business mind making these decisions. Whoever makes the final call on these sorts of decisions is fucking stupid.

I generally try to defend Simu and stick up for the gm's, but every now and again they just do stupid shit that is blatantly idiotic. Like announcing black swan tickets out of the blue and putting them up for sale with no heads up.

Have basic subscribers even gotten a chance to do Black Swan yet?

Just curious.

[SHAFT]

I dunno. Can't say I care either. My extra $25 per month removes basic subscribers from the area of my brain that would normally give a shit.

[Androidpk]

Yeah that's cool. Whatever.

Not directed at you dszabo, but who the fuck cares about being fair? They can shove fair up their ass. You want fair? Pony up the extra $25 per month.

Simu needs a real business mind making these decisions. Whoever makes the final call on these sorts of decisions is fucking stupid.

I generally try to defend Simu and stick up for the gm's, but every now and again they just do stupid shit that is blatantly idiotic. Like announcing black swan tickets out of the blue and putting them up for sale with no heads up.

I'm certainly not one to hold my tongue when I feel Simu screws up but in this case I say they did the right thing.

[Jarvan]

I'm certainly not one to hold my tongue when I feel Simu screws up but in this case I say they did the right thing.

Well, we are all entitled to our opinions, luckily we have 14 years of Events from Simu to base this on.

How many others had ticket sales like this?

What was that, Zero?

Hmmm.. sounds like my stance is the historically accurate one based on their own policy and past events. Now if they wanted to change their policy, that would be fine, but we all know they wont.

Also, apparently Wyrom said it was his personal choice, and not Simu's. Seems like he is letting his personal views apply in this case, rather then how it should be.

[Androidpk]

Considering that Wyrom is in charge of that it is his decision to make.

[SHAFT]

There needs to be guidelines, a template to follow in these situations. You can't change things to be "fair". Tell the basic subscribers to upgrade, rather than pissing off your premium subscribers.

As a premium subscriber of many years, I am irritated I only get to use the advantage of my premium status to acquire event tickets for HALF of the upcoming tickets being released.

What if I was a person who signed up for premium recently because premium used to get advanced access to all of the tickets? Now you're telling I only get half. Bad business man

[Allereli]

I don't agree with it either, but it's one of those things in life I'm going to let go, because it's not worth it to stress over.

[Jarvan]

Considering that Wyrom is in charge of that it is his decision to make.

Makes you wonder if he got approval to violate their policy though.


I don't mind not getting a ticket if I am up against premium members. But I will be damned if I lose out on a ticket to a basic person because some -insert name calling here- decided it was 'fairer".

Not to mention 25 tickets will all sell out in less then 1 minute, Period. Every. Single. Time.

100 all at once it would have been a few minutes at least. Hell, even 50 2 times would have been slightly better. May have taken 3-4 minutes, as it stands, whomever happens to hit refresh when the tickets go on sale, gets them.

[Androidpk]

Makes you wonder if he got approval to violate their policy though.

LOL. Stop being such a bitch.

[Sheikh]

This event is starting to make me wish I hadn't come back after a couple year break.

I could personally care less about the gauntlet bow, if it had been a raffle I would have sold it anyway.

The ticket sales is BS, and I totally agree with Jarvan on this one. If you want a better chance to go, pay for premium or STFU.

But this is all just a giant reminder of how Simu is run I guess and something that I had forgotten about over the last few years. I'm not going anywhere, something about the words scrolling across my screen is more addicting than heroin, but it is just frustrating that I am subscribing to something managed so poorly.

Insert joke about our government here.

[Jarvan]

LOL. Stop being such a bitch.

Piss off fucktard.

[Aluvius]

I don't agree with it either, but it's one of those things in life I'm going to let go, because it's not worth it to stress over.

Yeah same here. I think premium should get first crack at all the tickets like usual, but I think I've asked (and received) for so much adjustment already in the RtCF threads that I'm staying off the officials on this one. Wyrom is doing a dang fine job with the event overall.

[Jarvan]

Yeah same here. I think premium should get first crack at all the tickets like usual, but I think I've asked (and received) for so much adjustment already in the RtCF threads that I'm staying off the officials on this one. Wyrom is doing a dang fine job with the event overall.

He is still doing a good job, he just made a very stupid choice is all. I can bitch about it all I want, and now that he said final, I am done bitching about it in the regular boards. I just don't think he should have done it. I also think he thinks he is doing the right thing giving basic a chance, but like I have said, they have always had a chance. Taking away my chance to give them one is not fair to me.

[Allereli]

it's not like they're blocking your access during those times

[Jarvan]

it's not like they're blocking your access during those times

25 tickets, 500 people trying... don't need to block, if you are not one of the first 25 to happen to hit refresh the second they go on sale, you lose.

Honestly, I have never failed to get a ticket to a limited ticket event, and I may not this time, but the way it's set up this time brings it into doubt A LOT more. I remember the first CCF, I was like, ticket number 60 something. If that's the case this time, I won't be getting a ticket.

In a way, this method of tickets is almost like a scroll drop in game at a merchant, those who are the fastest/have scripts get service, everyone else is screwed.

Now, I don't think anyone has a script for checking for an event ticket, but the same thing applies. 25 tickets at a time means only the fastest gets the tickets. It will sell out in less then a minute each and every time. The fact that Prime will have access to 50 tickets each run will make this certain, otherwise run 3 could possibly have taken a few minutes to sell out.

[SHAFT]

They should just propose their questions to me. I could run their company flawlessly from my iPad and couch. Propose all business decisions to me and I'll make this bitch hum!

It's whatever. I'll get a ticket regardless, just irritated at the glaring mistake from the business end.

I'm done.

[Allereli]

25 tickets, 500 people trying... don't need to block, if you are not one of the first 25 to happen to hit refresh the second they go on sale, you lose.

life moves on

[Jarvan]

life moves on

-chuckles- I will remember this when you fail to get a ticket as well.

[Allereli]

-chuckles- I will remember this when you fail to get a ticket as well.

I'll be okay, seriously, get some perspective on what is important in life.

[Jarvan]

I'll be okay, seriously, get some perspective on what is important in life.

Well, it could be argued that nothing is really important, since our life is fleeting anyway, and once we are dead, nothing really matters.

But, I do reserve the right to speak my mind and bitch about something if I want, thank you.

[Allereli]

never said anything about you stopping bitching, I said I wasn't going to worry and generally good advice is it's not worth stressing over. but post all you want and get mad and waste your life with a hundred posts about nothing. I'll go back to ignoring you.

[thefarmer]

CCF1 sold out in less than 1-2 minutes, on average, for the three Prime runs.

[Jarvan]

never said anything about you stopping bitching, I said I wasn't going to worry and generally good advice is it's not worth stressing over. but post all you want and get mad and waste your life with a hundred posts about nothing. I'll go back to ignoring you.

Ignore me all you want, makes no difference to me.

And yeah, apparently spending a few hours of my free time on one day out of the roughly 13,500 odd days I have had in my life means I am wasting my life.

Good observation. BTW, do you enjoy wasting your life commenting about me wasting my life when I comment about something I don't like? I would think your 6,000+ posts here would be a good indicator you have wasted yours more.

[Jarvan]

CCF1 sold out in less than 1-2 minutes, on average, for the three Prime runs.

And that was 75 all at once. 25 will be instant.

[SHAFT]

Oh snap

[Allereli]

I'm getting paid when I spend my time here. Your personal attack just reflects on your overblown rage at the situation.

[Jarvan]

I'm getting paid when I spend my time here. Your personal attack just reflects on your overblown rage at the situation.

LOL, so you start the person attack and it shows MY rage over it?

ok, whatever.

[Dendum]

And that is the problem. If all 100 tickets went on sale at once, and a premium person didn't get a ticket because it sold out, then yes, they had their "chance". Doing it this way you can't say that.

BTW.. did 5 of the 10 tickets for the runs of Black swan castle go only to premium, and the rest to anyone?

it's ok, you can answer truthfully.

I got a Black Swan ticket when I was prime, I remember because I updated to premium shortly after my run to go to the joola merchant.

[Methais]

The only thing I'd be pissed off at if I were premium would be the fact that I was paying $40 a month for this game regardless of the situation.

[prance1520]

Good grief people, we've beaten so many horses to death the past few weeks its nearly unbelievable. Giving your feedback and telling Simu and the GMs your opinion is one thing, but continuing to beat the now unrecognizable horse on every freaking topic is beyond painful.

Wyrom is the greatest thing to happen to this game in 10 years, and if we're going to drive him away from being a GM because we feel the need to bitch about everything, someone should just pull the plug on the servers now.

[Jarvan]

I got a Black Swan ticket when I was prime, I remember because I updated to premium shortly after my run to go to the joola merchant.

Was that one of the first 3-5 runs? Or the more recent we severely limited the tickets runs?

[Allereli]

The only thing I'd be pissed off at if I were premium would be the fact that I was paying $40 a month for this game regardless of the situation.

if you play enough to not spend more than $40 doing something else it's well worth it

[Donquix]

http://data.whicdn.com/images/58778546/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-o_large.gif

[Jarvan]

if you play enough to not spend more than $40 doing something else it's well worth it

I actually agree with you.

I can generally beat a PC or console game in a week or two, get bored and stop playing it. And those cost 60+. An extra 25$ for a game I am already paying 15 for isn't bad for the amount of entertainment I get out of it.

[Donquix]

if you play enough to not spend more than $40 doing something else it's well worth it

You get less and pay 2-3 times as much compared to comparable services. It's really not worth it, most of us pay for the nostalgia, not the product.

[Jarvan]

Good grief people, we've beaten so many horses to death the past few weeks its nearly unbelievable. Giving your feedback and telling Simu and the GMs your opinion is one thing, but continuing to beat the now unrecognizable horse on every freaking topic is beyond painful.

Wyrom is the greatest thing to happen to this game in 10 years, and if we're going to drive him away from being a GM because we feel the need to bitch about everything, someone should just pull the plug on the servers now.

Well, I def don't want to scare Wyrom away, but if you don't keep sticking up for something, it would likely get worse. This time it's half, next time it can be 25% premium, then maybe they just take it away. It took a hundred posts or so for them to make some changes to the majors/minors that were needed.

[crb]

people who never agree on anything agree that this ticket situation is retarded. That should tell you something.

[Methais]

if you play enough to not spend more than $40 doing something else it's well worth it

I play plenty. I just never saw any of the premium perks as being worth the extra money, or not giving me something that I can't get with a second basic account and still pay less money.

The extra type ahead used to be tempting, but that was back when internet speeds sucked.

[Jarvan]

people who never agree on anything agree that this ticket situation is retarded. That should tell you something.

The real clincher would be if Bob agreed with me.

[Donquix]

I'm not sure two people who normally piss and moan at each other both being premium and collectively throwing a hissy about not getting a ticket really says much.

[Allereli]

I play plenty. I just never saw any of the premium perks as being worth the extra money, or not giving me something that I can't get with a second basic account and still pay less money.

The extra type ahead used to be tempting, but that was back when internet speeds sucked.

IMO Jainna does a good job. I like the perks, especially as a hoarder, but to each their own.

[Jarvan]

IMO Jainna does a good job. I like the perks, especially as a hoarder, but to each their own.

She does do a good job, I think there used to be more FWI merchants during the month, but it also seems like the ones they do have are better quality then just "here is a stuffed animal that we will customize and casts 401".

I do wish they would fix premium homes. Dr's versions are sooooo much better it isn't funny.

[Dendum]

Was that one of the first 3-5 runs? Or the more recent we severely limited the tickets runs? It was before they started the one ticket per account thing.

[Narthsin]

People would find a reason to bitch regardless of how tickets were released. The only way people wouldn't complain about tickets is if they said they'd do as many runs of the event as tickets sold... but then people would complain about too much shit being released into game and ruining markets! ZOMGZRAGE!!1

[Gelston]

I'm fine with the method of ticket release.

[Manamethis]

I'm fine with the method of ticket release.

Because you play all day and night so you have a pretty good chance of getting a ticket.

For anyone with a job, or a family, 25 tickets are going to sell instantly and your chances are slim.


For the record, I think they are ruining RtCF. You may be able to improve your own gear but the way prizes are distributed is dumb. The way tickets are being sold is dumb. It's going to be a bad event. I can already feel it. I'll bet money there is going to be a lot of complaining starting on May 1.

[Gelston]

Yes, because tickets being released at different times on two different days as opposed to all 100 being released at noon makes it easier for people who have stuff to do to get it right? Don't pretend to know what I do with my time either. Thanks for your words though, Inspire.

[Tsk Tsk]

Some people work nights. I think their goal was to honestly give not everyone a full shot.. but to give each person at least a fair shot. The former is impossible. Anyone who has 100% free time would still have the same shot regardless of how ticket distribution was done.

[Androidpk]

Gelston spends all his time writing WH40k erotica.

[Manamethis]

Some people work nights. I think their goal was to honestly give not everyone a full shot.. but to give each person at least a fair shot. The former is impossible. Anyone who has 100% free time would still have the same shot regardless of how ticket distribution was done.

http://www.play.net/gs4/premium/features.asp#advanced

Advance Ticket Sales!
Unique quests, auctions of rare and fantastic items, gladiatorial combat, and GM-run merchants are the most popular and exciting events in GemStone IV.

Some of these events are free, and exclusively for our Premium customers. Others are available to anyone with purchase of a ticket for U.S. dollars -- but Premium customers always get the chance to sign up first!



If you have a premium account this is when you should email FEEDBACK@simutronics.com and start complaining.

[Gelston]

You do have the chance to sign up first.

[Gelston]

Gelston spends all his time writing WH40k erotica.

Yeah, I have this one where a Chaos Marine of Slaanesh snatches up this female Inquistor from the Ordo Hereticus. Lets just say she cries out for the Emperor many times.

[Donquix]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7riifhFrh1qdxv6qo1_500.gif

[Androidpk]

Yeah, I have this one where a Chaos Marine of Slaanesh snatches up this female Inquistor from the Ordo Hereticus. Lets just say she cries out for the Emperor many times.

Slaanesh huh? I'd be to scared to read that.

[Androidpk]

people who never agree on anything agree that this ticket situation is retarded. That should tell you something.

Fleurs, Jarvan, and CRB walk into a bar..

[HeyJoe]

Even a real auction would be more logical than this free subsidy the Basic subscribers are getting. But that would defeat the point of why they need a subsidy at all and can't afford to upgrade to Premium for even a single month.

This post by Fluers on the officials amuses me to no end. I can't wait for her to call Wyrom a socialist attempting to redistribute wealth to the freeloaders of GS.

:popcorn:

[Androidpk]

How long until she rage quits?

[Tsk Tsk]

How long until she rage quits?

Again, you mean? She won't be satisfied until the game is renamed Fleurstone.

[Zaigh]

Links have been added to the first post to most things that you might have questions about. Enjoy

[Androidpk]

Again, you mean?

Haha, yes.

[Tsk Tsk]

From the officals...


Reply
>However, I am curious why you disagree 1,000,000 percent if there is no rationale behind that disagreement that you can share. We've established that BSQ and RtCF are not comparable in nature as they are unlimited vs. limited.

My entire point was that it's a model that has been used before (regardless of the event), and the concerns being displayed here are implying that it is not a model that has ever been used in the past (which is incorrect).

I'm simply pointing out that it has been used (recently), and that I disagree with the fact that it isn't applicable to this (or any future) event.

My reason for bowing out of the conversation at this point is because GMs who have poured a lengthy part of their life into the game are being personally attacked on the forums over an event (IN A GAME), and I want no part of it. It's not only insulting to those GMs, but to the ones who are associated with the event (the entire staff, including me).

This isn't life changing for anyone, but nobody deserves to be treated with the abuse some of you are lashing out with. NOBODY.

Yes, I'm VERY upset with some of you. I have personally LOST respect for some of you (of who I have had incredible respect for in the past), and I doubt that respect will ever be replaced no matter what you do at this point. You sunk the boat. You've branded GMs as unworthy of their positions because you didn't get your way. It's unfounded and ridiculous

Shame on you.

(I'm done.)

-Marstreforn-
Icemule Trace Guru
Halfling Guru

[msconstrew]

From the officals...

I might be able to take this more seriously if: 1) there weren't a ton of grammatical errors; 2) it wasn't an immature and emotional response to what is a professional issue; and 3) it didn't include ad hominem commentary on players voicing legitimate complaints.

[thefarmer]

MARS SMASH!

[thefarmer]

I might be able to take this more seriously if: 1) there weren't a ton of grammatical errors; 2) it wasn't an immature and emotional response to what is a professional issue; and 3) it didn't include ad hominem commentary on players voicing legitimate complaints.

He gets angry and petty at times. You should have read the posts he made during the Mini-DM run.

I can see he didn't learn from his previous experience.

[shad0ws0ngs]

He really does get angry and petty. Doesn't take jokes too well, either.

[msconstrew]

He gets angry and petty at times. You should have read the posts he made during the Mini-DM run.

I can see he didn't learn from his previous experience.

He should grow up or they should shut him up. He's just escalating an already volatile situation.

Oh and boooohoooo some social reject GM lost respect for me. Cry cry cry.

[thefarmer]

He should grow up or they should shut him up. He's just escalating an already volatile situation.

I'm waiting for Solomon to weigh on on this and add his ludicrous viewpoint on how customers should act.

Then that thread will be complete in it's fail.

[Fallen]

I'm not sure what they expected to happen when they suddenly lessened the chances of getting a ticket for the people already paying the most to play the game. I think an important point made was that this change opens the door for more people to bring their MA account to the festival due to not having to upgrade their extra account(s) to premium.

[celtani]

Wyrom's strategy for handling the complaints is definitely more effective.

[Tisket]

From the officals...

Let me get this straight...this pussy is complaining about abuse? Can someone copy and paste the "abuse" the guy is talking about? I don't read the officials.

[RSR]

It's been pages and pages Tisket. Entirely too much to copy/paste.

[Tisket]

Well then a synopsis! Where's Whirlin when you need a good synopsis??

[Manamethis]

From: Gm Marstreforn [mailto:marstreforn@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:41 PM
To: Me
Subject: Re: Returning to Coraesine Field: Ticket Sales

Unfounded and untrue. But, you always seem to make it personal with me.
Have a nice day.

-----------------------------


On that note,

There's nothing further to discuss here as far as I'm concerned.

Your points have been made, but I entirely disagree with you 1,000,000 percent.

-Marstreforn-
Icemule Trace Guru
Halfling Guru


---------------------------------------


Please get rid of this GM.

We obviously don’t matter at all to this person and he’s going to make decisions based on personal preference rather than what the entire community wants.

[Warriorbird]

From: Gm Marstreforn [mailto:marstreforn@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:41 PM
To: Me
Subject: Re: Returning to Coraesine Field: Ticket Sales

Unfounded and untrue. But, you always seem to make it personal with me.
Have a nice day.

-----------------------------


On that note,

There's nothing further to discuss here as far as I'm concerned.

Your points have been made, but I entirely disagree with you 1,000,000 percent.

-Marstreforn-
Icemule Trace Guru
Halfling Guru


---------------------------------------


Please get rid of this GM.

We obviously don’t matter at all to this person and he’s going to make decisions based on personal preference rather than what the entire community wants.

I'm torn by this. Manamethis is a waste of perfectly good air.

Simultaneously Marstreforn is one of the reasons I don't resubscribe to GS.

I do think I like them being upset with each other.

[Sheikh]

This thread is exploding and no longer worth reading.

I just want to impregnate Methais.

[Manamethis]

I'm torn by this. Manamethis is a waste of perfectly good air.

Simultaneously Marstreforn is one of the reasons I don't resubscribe to GS.

I do think I like them being upset with each other.


I was trying to get him fired. Check yourself.

(Yes, I emailed feedback and copied him on the email.) Because I don't care.

[Fallen]

I can't say as I saw any personal attacks directed at the GMs. Just people bitching about ticket sales. The GMs all read the PC. They should know what the fuck a personal attack looks like.

[crb]

MARS SMASH!

I wish I could have repped your post on the officials... Your advice to Mars was spot on, he jumped the shark.

[celtani]

Well then a synopsis! Where's Whirlin when you need a good synopsis??

Let me put it this way, play.net just jumped a few dozen pages in the Google search results for "slap in the face."

[crb]

Let me get this straight...this pussy is complaining about abuse? Can someone copy and paste the "abuse" the guy is talking about? I don't read the officials.

Essentially... I said that they're making a poor business decision by reducing the incentive to upgrade, and that they're costing Simu money, and tha ti nthe end it'll probably just benefit MAers who run multiple basic slave accounts. Fleurs said it was a subsidy from premium to basic, Jarvan repeatedly pointed out the word "always" in the official list of premium benefits. Many other people said "yes I agree, this sucks" though with less passion. And lots of people generally thought premium was getting shafted.

[Sile]

I personally have never been premium. But I do feel 100% of the tickets should of been avail to premium from the start. Though this is turning into a brilliant cluster fuck that I'm glad I'm away and unable to participate even if I wanted to.

[Fallen]

Essentially... I said that they're making a poor business decision by reducing the incentive to upgrade, and that they're costing Simu money, and tha ti nthe end it'll probably just benefit MAers who run multiple basic slave accounts. Fleurs said it was a subsidy from premium to basic, Jarvan repeatedly pointed out the word "always" in the official list of premium benefits. Many other people said "yes I agree, this sucks" though with less passion. And lots of people generally thought premium was getting shafted.

To be fair, there are also a lot of people happy about this development. Why? I can't exactly say, but they do exist in numbers.

[Manamethis]

I upgraded a basic account so I could have a shot at buying a ticket. Wishing I had not, and I mentioned that in my email to feedback. I will never do it again.


Even the odds of winning what you want at RtCF are slim. 4 raffled padding out of 10. 4 raffled weighting out of 10.

The only people who will get what they want out of this event are people with silvers to blow.

[Tisket]

No matter the content or validity of what was said in that thread, anyone who blames an entire player base for remarks from a few, should not be a GM. He obviously lacks the proper temperament. Good riddance.

[Tisket]

And yes, I saw where he said "some of you" but he's given up on those players who had no part in the conversation by "punishing" us with his flouncing off into the sunset dramatics.

[thefarmer]

Well then a synopsis! Where's Whirlin when you need a good synopsis??

Jarvan+Fleurs+CRB vs. Mars, re: ticket release schedule

Whirlin's bow was on the sides, egging on both parties into hilariousness.

[thefarmer]

Also Mars' post got pulled by someone.

[Nilandia]

I'm not sure what they expected to happen when they suddenly lessened the chances of getting a ticket for the people already paying the most to play the game.
Not going to step into whether the tickets sales should or should not have happened how they've been announced. Premium people do not pay the most to play the game. Platinum people do, and several of them have spoken out in favor of the announced ticket distribution.

Gretchen

[thefarmer]

Not going to step into whether the tickets sales should or should not have happened how they've been announced. Premium people do not pay the most to play the game. Platinum people do, and several of them have spoken out in favor of the announced ticket distribution.

Gretchen


Unless those Plat people were planning on attending Prime events... their opinion is about as welcome as any suggestion I've ever made for Plat.

[Fallen]

Again, with no explanation as to why that makes any sense at all.

[Fallen]

Hey guys. I wasn't quite available to post early really. And then I decided to accidentally screw myself. Literally, like I had my impact driver and I went in crooked and I screwed right into my index finger. I'm fine don't worry (anyone who knows me, knows this is quite a normal routine anytime I build/repair stuff).

But you see, I'm all for open communication. So I'll go ahead and explain the logic that went into the ticket sales. Though first, I do want to say that you're not running me off, or hurting my feelings. I don't posts often and read these forums because I'm being defensive. I post often and read these forums because it's what I enjoy to do, and it's something I feel I should do as a Senior GameMaster of this game. I'm here because I love this game.


I read over a number of sources, including previous pay events, the Players' Corner, and old staff emails about ticket sales. And I took the feedback and I applied it to the ticket sales. I talked it over for a good long while with Solomon and Sirina. It's why you guys didn't have pricing or the sale info until recently. It's why I didn't post anything that I wasn't sure of until I talked it over. But this isn't the first event we offered a block of tickets to Basic. I'm not sure where the 14 years quote is coming from, because EG's 2006 auction gave Basic subscribers a block.


But whatever the case may be, I wanted to give people a chance to get tickets this time around. I wanted to spread it out because it gives everyone a fair shot at going to the event. This wasn't a financial decision. This was aimed to give some resolve to some feedback that was given over the years. If it were a financial call, then it would have been a lot different. As a business major and someone who has worked marketing the majority of his life, I know what to do.


There is no such thing as a "Premium Policy" and I'm not "violating" it. We are giving Premium users a head start at getting tickets. It's only 50% of the tickets, but that still gives Premium users a significant chance at getting a ticket. Not everyone expresses their loyalty to the game by being Premium. Many longterm users are Basic subscribers. And I think if I'm trying to speak on behalf of any group of players as to who I'm selling tickets to, I'm doing it in such a manner that more than one group has a chance. It's much easier for us to flip the switch at noon, not say a word, and let people buy out tickets.


I do plan on talking with Solomon one last time, and maybe we'll do a countdown where the 2nd day blocks are Premium only for a set amount of time. Maybe a minute or so. But we'll see.


I do command something from everyone though. And that is to be respectful of each other. Because I'm communicating with you as a courtesy. And we're all human beings, and I think we all deserve to be treated with some form of respect. If you can't possess that ability, then I can't respond to you. That goes for emails that you direct at me as well.


So, you're welcome to keep debating and discussing the topic. You're welcome to call my actions a charity for the wrong end of the subscriber spectrum. I was simply trying to do something nice for all subscription levels.




~Wyrom, SGM
Quests
Platinum
Promotions

.

[Fallen]

The TLDR version:"I do plan on talking with Solomon one last time, and maybe we'll do a countdown where the 2nd day blocks are Premium only for a set amount of time. Maybe a minute or so. But we'll see."

[msconstrew]

Not going to step into whether the tickets sales should or should not have happened how they've been announced. Premium people do not pay the most to play the game. Platinum people do, and several of them have spoken out in favor of the announced ticket distribution.

Gretchen

You do understand that Plat and Prime are different instances. Right?

Plats' opinion on what happens in Prime is 100% irrelevant. Premium subscribers pay the most to play Prime... which is what we are discussing.

[Manamethis]

Also Mars' post got pulled by someone.



Aulis aka Sauli killed it


From the officals...


>However, I am curious why you disagree 1,000,000 percent if there is no rationale behind that disagreement that you can share. We've established that BSQ and RtCF are not comparable in nature as they are unlimited vs. limited.

My entire point was that it's a model that has been used before (regardless of the event), and the concerns being displayed here are implying that it is not a model that has ever been used in the past (which is incorrect).

I'm simply pointing out that it has been used (recently), and that I disagree with the fact that it isn't applicable to this (or any future) event.

My reason for bowing out of the conversation at this point is because GMs who have poured a lengthy part of their life into the game are being personally attacked on the forums over an event (IN A GAME), and I want no part of it. It's not only insulting to those GMs, but to the ones who are associated with the event (the entire staff, including me).

This isn't life changing for anyone, but nobody deserves to be treated with the abuse some of you are lashing out with. NOBODY.

Yes, I'm VERY upset with some of you. I have personally LOST respect for some of you (of who I have had incredible respect for in the past), and I doubt that respect will ever be replaced no matter what you do at this point. You sunk the boat. You've branded GMs as unworthy of their positions because you didn't get your way. It's unfounded and ridiculous

Shame on you.

(I'm done.)

-Marstreforn-
Icemule Trace Guru
Halfling Guru

[crb]

Also Mars' post got pulled by someone.

Irony, but inevitable. I imagine if I go check my email I'll see a few "Your post was removed because it was responding to a post that was removed."

Simu isn't the best run business in the world, but I think even they realize a post by staff using all caps saying "SHAME ON YOU" to customers is probably a bad thing. I don't know what he was thinking.

[thefarmer]

Irony, but inevitable. I imagine if I go check my email I'll see a few "Your post was removed because it was responding to a post that was removed."

Simu isn't the best run business in the world, but I think even they realize a post by staff using all caps saying "SHAME ON YOU" to customers is probably a bad thing. I don't know what he was thinking.


Yup. I got mine already.

He wasn't thinking. That's always been his problem as a poster.

[Manamethis]

Yup. I got mine already.

He wasn't thinking. That's always been his problem as a poster.



From: Gm Marstreforn [mailto:marstreforn@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:18 PM
To: Me
Subject: Re: Returning to Coraesine Field: Ticket Sales

I'm not going to tell you who my characters are, but I think you would be rather shocked if you knew the truth.



On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:16 PM, You <Me@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you play the character Stunseed?

[thefarmer]

From: Gm Marstreforn [mailto:marstreforn@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:18 PM
To: Me
Subject: Re: Returning to Coraesine Field: Ticket Sales

I'm not going to tell you who my characters are, but I think you would be rather shocked if you knew the truth.



On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:16 PM, You <Me@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you play the character Stunseed?


Lolol.

You're so pathetic.

[Manamethis]

Lolol.

You're so pathetic.


Made you laugh!

[Fallen]

Huh. The more you know.

[thefarmer]

The irony of you, Inspire, wanting someone, and a GM no less, to out their characters borders on the insane.

[crb]

Maybe I just don't feel like some things should be handed to me because I pay more

quoted from the officials, where do these people come from? That is precisely the time when you should have things handed to you. Not when you flirt with the person, when you have big boobs, or are tall and pretty/handsome, or have the right last name. No, you should get things handed to you not for those things, but when you pay for things yes, then those things should be handed to you. Srsly

[Sile]

Hmm I need to make a business where people work for free and customers give me their money not expecting anything in return.

Wait a min...

[Jarvan]

Not going to step into whether the tickets sales should or should not have happened how they've been announced. Premium people do not pay the most to play the game. Platinum people do, and several of them have spoken out in favor of the announced ticket distribution.

Gretchen

LOL, Plat really don't matter, and I think everyone knows it. Maybe if Plat had to compete with prime for tickets Plat's position would matter.

Plat will be lucky to sell all 100 tickets anyway.

[msconstrew]

quoted from the officials, where do these people come from? That is precisely the time when you should have things handed to you. Not when you flirt with the person, when you have big boobs, or are tall and pretty/handsome, or have the right last name. No, you should get things handed to you not for those things, but when you pay for things yes, then those things should be handed to you. Srsly

^^^^

[SHAFT]

Big boobs are worth quite a bit though

[Roblar]

Big boobs are worth quite a bit though

Thank you Shaft for making me smile, after reading all this...

repped

[Sheikh]

quoted from the officials, where do these people come from? That is precisely the time when you should have things handed to you. Not when you flirt with the person, when you have big boobs, or are tall and pretty/handsome, or have the right last name. No, you should get things handed to you not for those things, but when you pay for things yes, then those things should be handed to you. Srsly

This is the first time I have 100% agreed with you.

[Sile]

Big boobs are worth quite a bit though

They could cost quite a bite also... in more then one way.

[Zaigh]

Re: Script Unlocking/Adding Services on 04/27/2013 05:59 PM EDT
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>10. Yansio adding/unlocking

This and the ability to add wrappable scripts have been approved as minor services for the event. The Yansio adding/unlocking includes hats and a small selection will be released for third tier as well! Fun times!

~Naionna

[Jhynnifer]

Aulis aka Sauli killed it




>However, I am curious why you disagree 1,000,000 percent if there is no rationale behind that disagreement that you can share. We've established that BSQ and RtCF are not comparable in nature as they are unlimited vs. limited.

My entire point was that it's a model that has been used before (regardless of the event), and the concerns being displayed here are implying that it is not a model that has ever been used in the past (which is incorrect).

I'm simply pointing out that it has been used (recently), and that I disagree with the fact that it isn't applicable to this (or any future) event.

My reason for bowing out of the conversation at this point is because GMs who have poured a lengthy part of their life into the game are being personally attacked on the forums over an event (IN A GAME), and I want no part of it. It's not only insulting to those GMs, but to the ones who are associated with the event (the entire staff, including me).

This isn't life changing for anyone, but nobody deserves to be treated with the abuse some of you are lashing out with. NOBODY.

Yes, I'm VERY upset with some of you. I have personally LOST respect for some of you (of who I have had incredible respect for in the past), and I doubt that respect will ever be replaced no matter what you do at this point. You sunk the boat. You've branded GMs as unworthy of their positions because you didn't get your way. It's unfounded and ridiculous

Shame on you.

(I'm done.)

-Marstreforn-
Icemule Trace Guru
Halfling Guru

Heh. The hypocrisy of that post would be sad if it weren't so damn funny.


Yup. I got mine already.

He wasn't thinking. That's always been his problem as a poster.

^ This. When he gets upset he tends to lash out. It was hurtful when he was a player, its unprofessional as a GM.

[thefarmer]

^ This. When he gets upset he tends to lash out. It was hurtful when he was a player, its unprofessional as a GM.

He was more lighthearted as a player in his stupidity.

Now he's just a bg of used otter dicks when he posts.

[msconstrew]

He was more lighthearted as a player in his stupidity.

Now he's just a bg of used otter dicks when he posts.

I am pretty sure used otter dicks are preferable. He is basically smegma.

[Jhynnifer]

He was more lighthearted as a player in his stupidity.

Now he's just a bg of used otter dicks when he posts.

Sadly, you're proably right. I used to have a lot of respect for the player, but watching what he's turned into since becoming a GM just makes me sad.

[SHAFT]

Who was Marstreforn as a player?

[Fallen]

What were some of these other posts that were offensive?

[Moonwitch]

He was upset about the posts dealing with how ticket distribution would be handled. For the officials it got pretty nasty. Wyrom has taken a lot of abuse over that and the gauntlet bow. Everyone is unhappy about something and being very vocal about it.

[Tgo01]

So am I in the minority in thinking the basic/premium ticket sale thing isn't a big deal? I understand premium pays more and all but they also get so many other benefits as well. I don't see the problem with basic subscribers having a chance to attend a paid event.

[Androidpk]

So am I in the minority in thinking the basic/premium ticket sale thing isn't a big deal? I understand premium pays more and all but they also get so many other benefits as well. I don't see the problem with basic subscribers having a chance to attend a paid event.

That's what I think too.

[Moonwitch]

I don't care how it is done. I just hope one of the sales is on a weekend when I can actually try to get a ticket. The low number of 25 ticket chunks is going to make it a big scramble.

[Jarvan]

So am I in the minority in thinking the basic/premium ticket sale thing isn't a big deal? I understand premium pays more and all but they also get so many other benefits as well. I don't see the problem with basic subscribers having a chance to attend a paid event.

It's funny, but Basic has always had a chance to go to these types of events. If 300 premium people don't want to attend, they get the left overs. Or, they could upgrade to premium if they are concerned about it.

Seriously, what is next? 25 PP's a month to longterm basic subscribers? Limited access to FWI? 5 extra char slots if you have had an open basic account for 5 years? I don't care what the moron below your post says, taking away (which is what was done) a perk from premium to give more basic players a chance at an event is just stupid. Saying that we get other benefits as well so it's ok that this one gets reduced is fine is stupid. Would it be ok with you if they only gave us 50 PP a month suddenly? Or maybe if they told us we could only have 10 char slots. Maybe you would be fine if they said, sorry, you can only have lockers in 3 towns, not all towns. I mean, we would be paying 25 extra a month for So MANY other benefits as well. What would it matter if they took away or limited one or two.

It's never been done this way before, which I clearly showed. The premium perk has always (there is that word again) applied to all tickets sold to limited events in the past. The only people that would have bitched about this to feedback is a basic subscriber that would refuse to upgrade to premium to get a ticket. Maybe if some premium people think basic should really have a chance at tickets, they should give their ticket if they get one away to a basic subscriber and shut the fuck up.

Chance of that happening? Zero.

[Tgo01]

Seriously, what is next? 25 PP's a month to longterm basic subscribers? Limited access to FWI? 5 extra char slots if you have had an open basic account for 5 years?

Holy shit! I hope so.

[Jarvan]

Holy shit! I hope so.

LOL, yeah, no shit Basic players would love it. I am sure they would mass mail feedback for it. But that doesn't make giving it to them the right thing to do.

[Tgo01]

But that doesn't make giving it to them the right thing to do.

:(

Why did you get my hopes up then?

[SHAFT]

Jarvan, it's honorable you championing this cause, but I doubt it'll do any good. What's done is done. I totally agree with you though.

[Jarvan]

Jarvan, it's honorable you championing this cause, but I doubt it'll do any good. What's done is done. I totally agree with you though.

I don't know, I would say the odds are 50/50 that the 2nd two batch of tickets have a slightly premium only access.

More importantly though, I harped about it so much because I do NOT want this to happen again. I don't care if people this this is fair, I do not think taking something that I have had for 14 years away from me is.

[RSR]

Early/=exclusive. It's a good compromise and long overdue.

[Tgo01]

Early/=exclusive. It's a good compromise and long overdue.

This is basically how I feel. Giving premium players early access to popular events basically means it's a premium only event.

[Jarvan]

Early/=exclusive. It's a good compromise and long overdue.

Early never = exclusive. It's just that normally, more premium players wanted to go them there were tickets. Those premium players pay extra for the ability to buy their tickets first.


This is basically how I feel. Giving premium players early access to popular events basically means it's a premium only event.

That may be, but then Simu would need to remove that premium perk and just let all players fight it out for tickets. They won't do that though, because they would likely see a drop in premium accounts. Maybe not 100's of people, but there would still be a viewable drop.

If the basic players don't like it, they can go premium for the event, and save 10% of the ticket cost to boot. I am not exactly sure how that part is hard for people to understand.

[Androidpk]

I'm not exactly sure why you're crying so hard about this. It's really rather simple and has been explained quite clearly, yet you're still acting like a dumb cunt.

[Fallen]

I'm not exactly sure why you're crying so hard about this. It's really rather simple and has been explained quite clearly, yet you're still acting like a dumb cunt.

I can explain quite clearly why I am going to screw you over. That doesn't stop you from being screwed over.

[Androidpk]

I can explain quite clearly why I am going to screw you over. That doesn't stop you from being screwed over.

Correct. But in this case no one is being screwed over. Premium members aren't losing any benefits. Basic members aren't gaining any premium benefits.

[Fallen]

Correct. But in this case no one is being screwed over. Premium members aren't losing any benefits. Basic members aren't gaining any premium benefits.

Would you agree that this change represents:
1. A change in the way things are usually done.
2. A lessening of a chance for a premium member to get a ticket compared to if they had not made this change.

[Androidpk]

Non-premium exclusive events were never intended to be premium only. This solution fixes that problem.

[Fallen]

Non-premium exclusive events were never intended to be premium only. This solution fixes that problem.

I can grasp that stance, though I would still like to hear your answer to the question asked.

[m444w]

http://www.play.net/gs4/premium/features.asp#advanced

Bunch of fucking commie whiners.

I hope this crop of GMs weathers the storm

[Androidpk]

I can grasp that stance, though I would still like to hear your answer to the question asked.

Which question?

[Kitsun]

I think this is why we can't have nice things. Looking at this shit storm this event has caused, do you think anyone in their right minds would go through this again during their time as a GM? Fuuuuuuck no.

I can see why they like doing the notice and ticket sales within a 24-48 hour window. Only gives people so much time to gripe as opposed to skullfucking every detail down to the bloody, shattered bone fragments.

[crb]

Non-premium exclusive events were never intended to be premium only. This solution fixes that problem.

Why was it a problem?

Is it an animal farm situation, everyone is equal but some are more equal than others and basic is more equal and deserves a chance they do not pay for? What is wrong with rewarding people who pay significantly more each month in this way? It isn't as if premium accounts themselves are limited, anyone can choose to upgrade, and if you can afford a $75 ticket you can probably afford the upgrade, at least for 1 month.

[crb]

LOL, yeah, no shit Basic players would love it. I am sure they would mass mail feedback for it. But that doesn't make giving it to them the right thing to do.

Sure. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

PS. before people get a bug up their ass about that Ben Franklin quote, it merely means Democracy isn't always right, sometimes it is tyranny of the majority, asking basic players to vote as much wouldn't make it right, if there happens to be more of them.

[m444w]

Non-premium exclusive events were never intended to be premium only. This solution fixes that problem.

Alternatively, are offered with NO GUARANTEE OF ANYONE being able to purchase a ticket.

Premium accounts pay for the option of first-refusal.

Wouldn't it be a strange world where I go into a Scion dealership, and they said, "Well... You paid for the Scion but we'll just give you this Mercedes anyway. Look at those suckers who pay for Mercedes. lulz at them, amirite!?"

[Sheikh]

Why was it a problem?

Is it an animal farm situation, everyone is equal but some are more equal than others and basic is more equal and deserves a chance they do not pay for? What is wrong with rewarding people who pay significantly more each month in this way? It isn't as if premium accounts themselves are limited, anyone can choose to upgrade, and if you can afford a $75 ticket you can probably afford the upgrade, at least for 1 month.

It isn't even worth arguing, I really dislike talking politics on the internet, but this is just another sign that American's have a sense of entitlement. To me this is like our Occupy CCF. Instead of getting a fucking job and earning your money and benefits, we can all just go sit around in the road and get high and bitch about how we don't have anything, and be upset that other people have a nice house and can afford to go on vacation.

[Androidpk]

Uhh, I stated quite clearly what the problem was.

Basic members aren't getting the opportunity to buy tickets first. And since when is an additional $20 a significant sum?

[Sheikh]

It is more than a 100% increase over what Basic pays... that is significant.

[Fallen]

Which question?

It seems I left off a "you"

Would you agree that this change represents:
1. A change in the way things are usually done.
2. A lessening of a chance for a premium member to get a ticket compared to if they had not made this change.

[SHAFT]

http://www.play.net/gs4/premium/features.asp#advanced

Bunch of fucking commie whiners.

I hope this crop of GMs weathers the storm

Whoever thought it was a good idea to change the ticket distribution to appease basic subscribers is at fault. You need to appease premium members, not basics.

Not changing it means you might get a few gripes from non premium members. So what, upgrade to premium. It's been like this for years. But changing it? Well you see what's happened.

[msconstrew]

This whole thing puzzles me. I pay literally hundreds of extra dollars per year for premium access on two accounts specifically for event access. Premium should have early access to 100% of the tickets because that is premium by its very definition. If they want basic members to have the opportunity to obtain tickets then they can simply allow more tickets to be sold and not guarantee everyone a major win. Will it be more like EG? Yes. Will more people have the ability to attend? Also yes. But to pretend that my extra hundreds per year don't matter in the face of a basic subscription is folly and insulting and bad customer service.

[Androidpk]

It seems I left off a "you"

Would you agree that this change represents:
1. A change in the way things are usually done.
2. A lessening of a chance for a premium member to get a ticket compared to if they had not made this change.

Answer #1

[Androidpk]

This whole thing puzzles me. I pay literally hundreds of extra dollars per year for premium access on two accounts specifically for event access. Premium should have early access to 100% of the tickets because that is premium by its very definition. If they want basic members to have the opportunity to obtain tickets then they can simply allow more tickets to be sold and not guarantee everyone a major win. Will it be more like EG? Yes. Will more people have the ability to attend? Also yes. But to pretend that my extra hundreds per year don't matter in the face of a basic subscription is folly and insulting and bad customer service.

Nowhere does it state early access to all available tickets. No one is stating that the extra money you pay doesn't matter. You still have all your premium perks. You still have numerous premium only events. You haven't lost anything.

[Fallen]

Answer #1

You don't believe this change lessens the chance of a premium member getting a ticket?

[msconstrew]

Nowhere does it state early access to all available tickets. No one is stating that the extra money you pay doesn't matter. You still have all your premium perks. You still have numerous premium only events. You haven't lost anything.

I just want to know when all these awesome premium events happen so I can attend. Because a once a month raffle doesn't do it for me. No I haven't lost anything in theory ... right until a basic subscriber gets to go and I don't. Then I did lose something and it's my contention that that is something I should have first crack at because of my premium subscription. And simu obviously agrees with that theory at least in part because they made 50% of the tickets available to premium only.

[thefarmer]

Nowhere does it state early access to all available tickets. No one is stating that the extra money you pay doesn't matter. You still have all your premium perks. You still have numerous premium only events. You haven't lost anything.

You must be joking right?

Comparing a few alterers and a handful of vaguely mechanically useful merchants to ticketed events is retarded. So is thinking that this isn't a change from how things have been done previously.

By artificially creating an entire block of tickets for basic, they are actually removing a premium perk.

[Gelston]

I just want to know when all these awesome premium events happen so I can attend. Because a once a month raffle doesn't do it for me. No I haven't lost anything in theory ... right until a basic subscriber gets to go and I don't. Then I did lose something and it's my contention that that is something I should have first crack at because of my premium subscription. And simu obviously agrees with that theory at least in part because they made 50% of the tickets available to premium only.

They had a week long FWI festival not too long ago. We also have free x/day spell items now, with the spells changing monthly.

[Androidpk]

You don't believe this change lessens the chance of a premium member getting a ticket?

Maybe, but access to all available tickets is not what that perk is supposed to mean. If people don't like that then they can petition to make all paid events premium only.

[msconstrew]

They had a week long FWI festival not too long ago.

Oh were there opportunities for weighting, padding, enchanting, and other major events there? No? Then it's not comparable. I know how to make a workable analogy. Simu doesn't.

[Gelston]

You must be joking right?

Comparing a few alterers and a handful of vaguely mechanically useful merchants to ticketed events is retarded. So is thinking that this isn't a change from how things have been done previously.

By artificially creating an entire block of tickets for basic, they are actually removing a premium perk.

They've artificially created nothing. Premium has 2 blocks of 25 that only premium can buy from. The next day, there are two equal sized blocks that premium and basic can buy from. Premium has a chance on 100 tickets, basic has a chance of 50.

[Jarvan]

I'm not exactly sure why you're crying so hard about this. It's really rather simple and has been explained quite clearly, yet you're still acting like a dumb cunt.

Awww. someone is butt hurt that he has been proven wrong, and his view isn't the "right" view. it's just a view.


Nowhere does it state early access to all available tickets. No one is stating that the extra money you pay doesn't matter. You still have all your premium perks. You still have numerous premium only events. You haven't lost anything.


No where does it say only SOME of the tickets either.

14 years of events have been all tickets. Sorry, wrong is still wrong. But it's ok, you can keep trying. It's funny watching you fail.


http://www.play.net/gs4/premium/features.asp#advanced

Bunch of fucking commie whiners.

I hope this crop of GMs weathers the storm

but Premium customers always get the chance to sign up first!

Please show me in there where it says our premium perk only applies to some tickets, at the discretion of the GM in charge.

[Gelston]

Oh were there opportunities for weighting, padding, enchanting, and other major events there? No? Then it's not comparable. I know how to make a workable analogy. Simu doesn't.

I never said it was comparable to RtCF, and you weren't specifically stating you were trying to compare it. It was a premium event with alters and auctions and a bunch of shops.

[Androidpk]

Raffles for magical items, flares, padding, weighting, alterations, custom verbs, quests and storylines. Premium members get perks every month.

[Gelston]

Not to mention Warrior and Rogue guilds existing in FWI now, which is pretty damn sweet. Oh, and an entire area of Warcamps that, again, only premium members get access to.

[Androidpk]

Awww. someone is butt hurt that he has been proven wrong, and his view isn't the "right" view. it's just a view.




No where does it say only SOME of the tickets either.

14 years of events have been all tickets. Sorry, wrong is still wrong. But it's ok, you can keep trying. It's funny watching you fail.


Yup, I'm wrong. Everyone at Simu is wrong too.

[thefarmer]

They've artificially created nothing. Premium has 2 blocks of 25 that only premium can buy from. The next day, there are two equal sized blocks that premium and basic can buy from. Premium has a chance on 100 tickets, basic has a chance of 50.


It's absolutely artificial.

The only reason to release them in separate blocks, unlike previous limited events, is to remove the premium first only option for ticket buying and still claim premium is still getting first dibs.

[Androidpk]

Not to mention Warrior and Rogue guilds existing in FWI now, which is pretty damn sweet. Oh, and an entire area of Warcamps that, again, only premium members get access to.

There is the new Sunfisy outpost as well, with shops for GoS masters.

[thefarmer]

Yup, I'm wrong. Everyone at Simu is wrong too.

Says the guy that complains about how many things on the boards?

Really? You're going to claim that Simu is magically right all of sudden?

[Jarvan]

Uhh, I stated quite clearly what the problem was.

Basic members aren't getting the opportunity to buy tickets first. And since when is an additional $20 a significant sum?

Basic members are getting the opportunity to buy tickets at the same time as premium members.

Answer this question if you have the fucking balls.

Would a basic member have a "CHANCE" to buy a ticket if all 100 were sold at once, with a 30 min window for premium only?

Think real hard and use your 3 brain cells before you answer.

[thefarmer]

Not to mention Warrior and Rogue guilds existing in FWI now, which is pretty damn sweet. Oh, and an entire area of Warcamps that, again, only premium members get access to.

Because... there's no guilds anywhere else.

Or warcamps.

[Gelston]

It's absolutely artificial.

The only reason to release them in separate blocks, unlike previous limited events, is to remove the premium first only option for ticket buying and still claim premium is still getting first dibs.

I see the separate blocks as more allowing different time zones a chance, although I think the second day shouldn't be mirrored times, but different ones. They went ahead and threw basic a bone aswell. I've long been a premium subscriber though, on multiple accounts. I have no issue with this. Sucks you guys do, but well, you just do.

[Gelston]

Because... there's no guilds anywhere else.

Or warcamps.

Well, except with FWI you can do guild work while staying in Illy with your buddy that is in Teras and then get tasks in FWI. So yes, pretty cool thing buddy. Also, same with camps. You can now hunt with people who are on entirely different parts of the game.

[Jarvan]

They had a week long FWI festival not too long ago. We also have free x/day spell items now, with the spells changing monthly.

Gelston, are you premium? if not then maybe you don't know that there is always, once a year, a FREE premium only festival with very minor stuff. This is ALSO a premium perk. Go fucking figure.

Hey, guess what, if a Basic player wanted to attend know what they could do...... you guessed it, upgrade to premium!.

[Gelston]

Gelston, are you premium? if not then maybe you don't know that there is always, once a year, a FREE premium only festival with very minor stuff. This is ALSO a premium perk. Go fucking figure.

Hey, guess what, if a Basic player wanted to attend know what they could do...... you guessed it, upgrade to premium!.

Sorry you didn't like the last premium festival. I got shit tons of alters and such done and it was worthwhile to me.

[thefarmer]

I see the separate blocks as more allowing different time zones a chance, although I think the second day shouldn't be mirrored times, but different ones. They went ahead and threw basic a bone aswell. I've long been a premium subscriber though, on multiple accounts. I have no issue with this. Sucks you guys do, but well, you just do.

Using that logic just hurts your argument that premium loses nothing... even MORE.

If it was really about separate time zones, then the rules would be the same. It actually hurts the premium users who can only buy tickets for the last block because they have to compete with basic subscribers.

[thefarmer]

Well, except with FWI you can do guild work while staying in Illy with your buddy that is in Teras and then get tasks in FWI. So yes, pretty cool thing buddy. Also, same with camps. You can now hunt with people who are on entirely different parts of the game.

Yes. I forgot. Travel is hard.

[Gelston]

Using that logic just hurts your argument that premium loses nothing... even MORE.

If it was really about separate time zones, then the rules would be the same. It actually hurts the premium users who can only buy tickets for the last block because they have to compete with basic subscribers.

Well yes, it hurts them in that if hey fail to get their tickets during the premium first chance at tickets then they have a larger pool of people trying to get tickets.

[Androidpk]

I like the idea of opening up this event to anyone who wants to go but I imagine people would bitch about not getting a guaranteed major.

[Gelston]

Yes. I forgot. Travel is hard.

Travelling from Teras to somewhere else just to hunt a couple camps with your friend is pretty annoying. Again, it is a PERK that premium has. I know, you are going on a big rant right now... simu evil, Premium sucks. Basic is stupid poor people, blah blah blah anything you say is wrong and the stuff you say about what premium has is just a bunch of dumb things that aren't necessary in our textual adventures.

[thefarmer]

Well yes, it hurts them in that if hey fail to get their tickets during the premium first chance at tickets then they have a larger pool of people trying to get tickets.

It's not just a larger pool. It's a pool with basic accounts in the mix as well.

So how does that help premium users in different time zones again?

[Jarvan]

Yup, I'm wrong. Everyone at Simu is wrong too.

Everyone? Want to clarify that statement moron? Wasn't it a GM Selken (sp?) that came down on MY side?

~ONE~ GM made this choice. I doubt any other GM's other then the two he listed were even asked.

Early ticket sales to premium has ALWAYS been the premium perk. Sorry that you disagree, but it has. I really fucking wish the 2006 EG forums were available, cause there was a shitstorm when Simu GAVE away 26 tickets that basic subscribers had a chance to. And The Head GM came down hard and said that Tickets Sold in the box office applied to the premium perk, not those given away in game. He never said SOME of the tickets sold, he said TICKETS SOLD.

Sorry, you lose. Period.

This change would be like if they suddenly decided that premium players didn't need a locker in EVERY town, and told us we could pick three. We would still have more then basic, but less then we used to.

And if you can't see that, well, you just got issues.