NFL players kneeling during National Anthem

[Parkbandit]

I don't have any problem with players exercising their 1st Amendment rights to free speech, but if I were an NFL owner, I would tell them to do it on their own time. When you are in an NFL stadium, you are now on MY time.

Granted, I think what Trump said didn't help the situation out and I expect a bunch of players kneeling today..

[Orthin]

this is soooo last year. (Yes I am aware Trump JUST mentioned it, but he isn't exactly on top of things on the regular)

[Gelston]

I honestly couldn't care less about this. The only reason they are doing it is because, gasp, it causes people to take notice. If people stopped bitching incessantly about it it'd probably stop.

[~Rocktar~]

Simple solution, vote with your wallet. Stop buying gear, stop buying tickets, change the channel, move on. When enough people do that and it hurts them enough, they will either get fired, stop being highlighted and/or change their tune.

Edit: If I and likely most of us can't make political statements in our workplace, why is it acceptable for them to do so?

[Wrathbringer]

I don't have any problem with players exercising their 1st Amendment rights to free speech, but if I were an NFL owner, I would tell them to do it on their own time. When you are in an NFL stadium, you are now on MY time.

This is correct.

[Gelston]

Simple solution, vote with your wallet. Stop buying gear, stop buying tickets, change the channel, move on. When enough people do that and it hurts them enough, they will either get fired, stop being highlighted and/or change their tune.

Edit: If I and likely most of us can't make political statements in our workplace, why is it acceptable for them to do so?

Because their workplace allows them to do it?

[Gompers]

Trump is only making such an outrage to rally his uneducated 'Murica base.

It almost feels like Trump (and the Republican party in general) is focusing on fringe, divisive issues so that people don't talk about the many elephants in the room.

I'm from Texas and am sick of having bathroom bill bullshit take center stage when there are waaaaaaaay more important discussions we should be having.

[Tenlaar]

this is soooo last year. (Yes I am aware Trump JUST mentioned it, but he isn't exactly on top of things on the regular)

Mentioned it? This goes slightly beyond "mentioning" it, and you can see why it all started...

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[Tenlaar]

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[Latrinsorm]

Simple solution, vote with your wallet. Stop buying gear, stop buying tickets, change the channel, move on. When enough people do that and it hurts them enough, they will either get fired, stop being highlighted and/or change their tune. Edit: If I and likely most of us can't make political statements in our workplace, why is it acceptable for them to do so?NFL players (and other athletes) are forced to make a political statement because the national anthem is played in their workplace. Sit, stand, kneel, salute, don't show up... all of these are political statements. If the national anthem was played in your workplace, you would logically be afforded the same acceptance.
Trump is only making such an outrage to rally his uneducated 'Murica base. It almost feels like Trump (and the Republican party in general) is focusing on fringe, divisive issues so that people don't talk about the many elephants in the room.From Bryan Curtis at the Ringer (https://www.theringer.com/2017/9/23/16355912/donald-trump-protests-nfl-nba-steph-curry-lebron-james):

"The last time Trump talked about Colin Kaepernick was March 20—the day James Comey announced that the FBI was investigating the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia. Similarly, last night’s rant came hours after Senator John McCain sank the Graham-Cassidy bill—the latest, and maybe last, attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act."

[Candor]

I don't have any problem with players exercising their 1st Amendment rights to free speech, but if I were an NFL owner, I would tell them to do it on their own time. When you are in an NFL stadium, you are now on MY time.

Granted, I think what Trump said didn't help the situation out and I expect a bunch of players kneeling today..

Kneeling this way before the flag is a sign of severe disrespect for the flag and the nation it represents. Yes this is protected under the 1st Amendment. But anyone who does it is scum.

[~Rocktar~]

NFL players (and other athletes) are forced to make a political statement because the national anthem is played in their workplace. Sit, stand, kneel, salute, don't show up... all of these are political statements. If the national anthem was played in your workplace, you would logically be afforded the same acceptance.

If you work at a Catholic Health Hospital, you are aware that you will hear Christian prayers and see Christian symbols about your workplace. If you work at the DNC then you are aware that you will see Liberal/Socialist stuff about. If you work at a titty bar, you are aware that you will see titties. All of these places have parts of their workplace that express religious, political and/or social views and people are free to work there or not. If you work for the NFL or other organization where the standard of performance is the playing of the national anthem in your workplace and that standing during it is a previously expected standard of performance, then you again can make the choice to work there or not. If you work in a profession with certain standards of performance and you do not meet them, then you should lose your job. The only reason this is an issue is that a mediocre NFL quarterback of mixed racial origin chose to self identify as black and as a self entitled, spoiled brat, like many other "celebrities" before him, chose to make an asinine political "statement" without thinking about the repercussions. Now people have called him out about it and his response is the typical "racism".

Others have chosen to join him and they too can face the repercussions. If you won't stand for the anthem, then perhaps you need to not reap the rewards of the nation who's anthem you refuse to respect. He has the right to do what he wants, no one has questioned that other than the Left imagining it in their fevered little brains. We also have the right to not watch, pay for or subsidize him. And just like the advertisers that can remove advertising from so called "controversial" youtube channels, we can do the same. NFL stars, celebrities and politicians are all our employees and we can hold them to a standard with our money and votes if only we are strong enough to do so.

[Parkbandit]

Trump is only making such an outrage to rally his uneducated 'Murica base.

It almost feels like Trump (and the Republican party in general) is focusing on fringe, divisive issues so that people don't talk about the many elephants in the room.

I'm from Texas and am sick of having bathroom bill bullshit take center stage when there are waaaaaaaay more important discussions we should be having.

I know... standing up for the American flag is such a fringe issue. Only an uneducated, alt right would even do that.

Since when is that such a divisive issue? Oh yea, when the left made it one.

[Parkbandit]

Kneeling this way before the flag is a sign of severe disrespect for the flag and the nation it represents. Yes this is protected under the 1st Amendment. But anyone who does it is scum.

It's so edgy and cool though!

[Tenlaar]

He's really riled up today, and still at it. Not acceptable! RATINGS!
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[Wrathbringer]

Kneeling this way before the flag is a sign of severe disrespect for the flag and the nation it represents. Yes this is protected under the 1st Amendment. But anyone who does it is scum.

You're retarded.

[Gompers]

Hey PB, just curious - did you ever serve in the military?

[~Rocktar~]

You're deplorable.

ftfy

[Parkbandit]

Hey PB, just curious - did you ever serve in the military?

No.

Hey Gompers, just curious - did you ever graduate from a real university?

[Latrinsorm]

If you work at a Catholic Health Hospital, you are aware that you will hear Christian prayers and see Christian symbols about your workplace. If you work at the DNC then you are aware that you will see Liberal/Socialist stuff about. If you work at a titty bar, you are aware that you will see titties. All of these places have parts of their workplace that express religious, political and/or social views and people are free to work there or not. If you work for the NFL or other organization where the standard of performance is the playing of the national anthem in your workplace and that standing during it is a previously expected standard of performance, then you again can make the choice to work there or not. If you work in a profession with certain standards of performance and you do not meet them, then you should lose your job.There are a couple things wrong here. First, at no point has any NFL player ever had in their contract (i.e. their expected standard of performance) that they would stand during the national anthem, any more than any NFL player has ever had in their contract that they be an American citizen. Sebastian Janikowski is playing in his one thousandth year in the NFL and is a Polish citizen, for example. Second, the NFL has a monopoly, which cannot be said for any hospital, political organization, or adult entertainment facility. Monopolies are not comparable to free markets, because they are monopolies, not free markets.
The only reason this is an issue is that a mediocre NFL quarterback of mixed racial origin chose to self identify as black and as a self entitled, spoiled brat, like many other "celebrities" before him, chose to make an asinine political "statement" without thinking about the repercussions. Now people have called him out about it and his response is the typical "racism". Others have chosen to join him and they too can face the repercussions. If you won't stand for the anthem, then perhaps you need to not reap the rewards of the nation who's anthem you refuse to respect. He has the right to do what he wants, no one has questioned that other than the Left imagining it in their fevered little brains. We also have the right to not watch, pay for or subsidize him. And just like the advertisers that can remove advertising from so called "controversial" youtube channels, we can do the same. NFL stars, celebrities and politicians are all our employees and we can hold them to a standard with our money and votes if only we are strong enough to do so.Neither NFL stars nor celebrities are strictly speaking our employees, but your point stands. Why do you suppose, then, that no NFL player has suffered any repercussions for this behavior? You declare Kaepernick a mediocre player, so his current lack of employment is irrelevant. Isn't the simplest explanation that the majority of the country actually doesn't mind this? The NFL is before anything else a business, and it is run by the owners, approximately half of whom have amassed over a billion dollars.
Surely you can concede that they know more about the business of business than you or I, yes?
Surely you can agree they have taken no steps whatsoever to litigate this behavior, yes?
Surely you can recognize that they have even sent their mouthpiece (https://nflcommunications.com/Pages/Statement-From-NFL-Commissioner-Roger-Goodell.aspx) to criticize your criticism, yes?

How long until you realize that this is not a left vs. right issue? Not a 50/50 proposition? That you are in fact in the dwindling minority?

Step out of the echo chamber from time to time. It will do your ears good, at least.

[Tgo01]

I kind of wish I watched sports just so I can stop watching them and buying their merchandise.

You win this round, NFL!

[~Rocktar~]

There are a couple things wrong here. First, at no point has any NFL player ever had in their contract (i.e. their expected standard of performance) that they would stand during the national anthem, any more than any NFL player has ever had in their contract that they be an American citizen. Sebastian Janikowski is playing in his one thousandth year in the NFL and is a Polish citizen, for example. Second, the NFL has a monopoly, which cannot be said for any hospital, political organization, or adult entertainment facility. Monopolies are not comparable to free markets, because they are monopolies, not free markets.

Stating facts not in evidence. Neither you or I have full knowledge of all NFL player contracts. Also, I am sure that there is some behavior or meeting standards clause in their contracts.
One does not have to be a citizen to stand for the national anthem. For example, note the Ravens and Jaguar players today in Wembley Stadium.
The status of the NFL as a monopoly does not preclude the fact that should you chose to work for them, you must meet their standards of employment.


Neither NFL stars nor celebrities are strictly speaking our employees, but your point stands. Why do you suppose, then, that no NFL player has suffered any repercussions for this behavior? You declare Kaepernick a mediocre player, so his current lack of employment is irrelevant. Isn't the simplest explanation that the majority of the country actually doesn't mind this?

Again, stating facts not in evidence. You do not know if there have been any repercussions. No, the simplest explanation is that the NFL and people in it live in a bubble and the lost ticket sales and revenue have not yet reached sufficient levels to burst that bubble. There have indeed been comments and concern expressed by several owners so far even with some owners continuing to support the entitled "protesters".


The NFL is before anything else a business, and it is run by the owners, approximately half of whom have amassed over a billion dollars.
Surely you can concede that they know more about the business of business than you or I, yes?
Surely you can agree they have taken no steps whatsoever to litigate this behavior, yes?
Surely you can recognize that they have even sent their mouthpiece (https://nflcommunications.com/Pages/Statement-From-NFL-Commissioner-Roger-Goodell.aspx) to criticize your criticism, yes?

They may know more about their business, however that does not invalidate anything I have said.
Again stating facts not in evidence, the lack of public knowledge of any litigation does not guarantee that it has not happened and more importantly does not mean that it will not.
Sending Goodell out to voice an opinion that differs from mine has no bearing on the issue.


How long until you realize that this is not a left vs. right issue? Not a 50/50 proposition? That you are in fact in the dwindling minority?

Step out of the echo chamber from time to time. It will do your ears good, at least.

At no time did I say that it is a Left/Right issue, you did. I saw it as an entitled brat showed his ass in "protest" got called out on it and then doubled down crying "racism".

If I am in the minority and I am a conservative and you are again positioning yourself with the "majority" then you are indeed conceding that you are the Liberal that we all know you to be, correct?

Further, arguing to the majority is not an argument. At one time, Lord Kelvin was quoted "Radio has no future." "X-rays are clearly a hoax". "The aeroplane is scientifically impossible." Just because you state something that appears to be so called "common knowledge" does not make it true.

Next irrational spewage disguised as "rational" argument?

[~Rocktar~]

I kind of wish I watched sports just so I can stop watching them and buying their merchandise.

You win this round, NFL!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Tgo01 again.

Yup.

[Gompers]

No.

Hey Gompers, just curious - did you ever graduate from a real university?

Crazy. You're s just so patriotic about this (like our President) I'd have assumed that you risked your life and limbs to protect our country!

What was your excuse for not serving? Was it bone spurs? It amazes me that couch patriots like yourself and the President find this so upsetting, when actual patriots (who answered the call from their country) got injured (visible or not) died, and/or lost friends fighting for the EXACT unalienable rights these players are exercising.

But of course you didn't serve, you're no better than Trump - a nutless coward who projects their own insecurities in order to divide others.

Edit: Sorry, went to Texas State on the GI Bill. I suppose you'll argue that I did not.

[Latrinsorm]

Stating facts not in evidence. Neither you or I have full knowledge of all NFL player contracts. Also, I am sure that there is some behavior or meeting standards clause in their contracts.
One does not have to be a citizen to stand for the national anthem. For example, note the Ravens and Jaguar players today in Wembley Stadium.
The status of the NFL as a monopoly does not preclude the fact that should you chose to work for them, you must meet their standards of employment.



Again, stating facts not in evidence. You do not know if there have been any repercussions. No, the simplest explanation is that the NFL and people in it live in a bubble and the lost ticket sales and revenue have not yet reached sufficient levels to burst that bubble. There have indeed been comments and concern expressed by several owners so far even with some owners continuing to support the entitled "protesters".



They may know more about their business, however that does not invalidate anything I have said.
Again stating facts not in evidence, the lack of public knowledge of any litigation does not guarantee that it has not happened and more importantly does not mean that it will not.
Sending Goodell out to voice an opinion that differs from mine has no bearing on the issue.



At no time did I say that it is a Left/Right issue, you did. I saw it as an entitled brat showed his ass in "protest" got called out on it and then doubled down crying "racism".

If I am in the minority and I am a conservative and you are again positioning yourself with the "majority" then you are indeed conceding that you are the Liberal that we all know you to be, correct?

Further, arguing to the majority is not an argument. At one time, Lord Kelvin was quoted "Radio has no future." "X-rays are clearly a hoax". "The aeroplane is scientifically impossible." Just because you state something that appears to be so called "common knowledge" does not make it true.

Next irrational spewage disguised as "rational" argument?Whew, where to begin.

1. I do in fact have full knowledge of NFL player contracts, and absolutely none of them stipulate a player stand for the anthem. You have only to produce one to the contrary. Good luck.
2. I did not say a person has to be a citizen to stand for the anthem. I brought nationality up only to illustrate what is and is not in a contract. You inferred, I did not imply. That's on you.
3. I do know there have been no repercussions. Michael Bennett still has a job. Aaron Rodgers still has a job. And so on, and so on.
4. You have expressly claimed that the NFL has a standard of performance that demands standing for the anthem, so the lack of punishment for not doing so directly and absolutely invalidates what you have said.
5. I have (still) never called myself a conservative. Your comically inept gotcha attempt embarrassed you, and me, and anyone else who had the misfortune of reading it.
6. I remain a registered Republican. You manifestly can't handle that. I can live with that.
7. That I stand with the majority on this issue does not put me in the liberal camp. Quite to the contrary: the majority can only be constructed when the moderates side with either extreme.
8. They have done so here.
9. You were wrong.
10. You remain wrong.

Bottom line, you continue to believe that anything has anything to do with rational argument.
These are facts, and facts only. You can't ponder them and come up with what's right.
You have to actually go out in the real world.
Good luck.

[Tisket]

Maybe Kaepernick will get hired now.

[Tenlaar]

I think that the words of the President from all the way back in January should guide the actions of his followers...

"Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. Even if I don't always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views."
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/823174199036542980

Strange how that message seems to have changed.

[Tgo01]

I think that the words of the President from all the way back in January should guide the actions of his followers...

"Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. Even if I don't always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views."
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/823174199036542980

Strange how that message seems to have changed.

I recognize their rights to express their views. I also recognize my right to think they're assholes.

If they have a problem with Trump then take it up with him, why take it out on everyone who thinks it's disrespectful to disrespect the national anthem?

It's not like they were originally protesting anything in particular, just some vague bullshit about how blacks are oh so oppressed in this country, coming from black people making literally millions of dollars a year to throw around a damn ball.

[~Rocktar~]

Whew, where to begin.

1. I do in fact have full knowledge of NFL player contracts, and absolutely none of them stipulate a player stand for the anthem. You have only to produce one to the contrary. Good luck.
2. I did not say a person has to be a citizen to stand for the anthem. I brought nationality up only to illustrate what is and is not in a contract. You inferred, I did not imply. That's on you.
3. I do know there have been no repercussions. Michael Bennett still has a job. Aaron Rodgers still has a job. And so on, and so on.
4. You have expressly claimed that the NFL has a standard of performance that demands standing for the anthem, so the lack of punishment for not doing so directly and absolutely invalidates what you have said.
5. I have (still) never called myself a conservative. Your comically inept gotcha attempt embarrassed you, and me, and anyone else who had the misfortune of reading it.
6. I remain a registered Republican. You manifestly can't handle that. I can live with that.
7. That I stand with the majority on this issue does not put me in the liberal camp. Quite to the contrary: the majority can only be constructed when the moderates side with either extreme.
8. They have done so here.
9. You were wrong.
10. You remain wrong.

Bottom line, you continue to believe that anything has anything to do with rational argument.
These are facts, and facts only. You can't ponder them and come up with what's right.
You have to actually go out in the real world.
Good luck.

re:
1. Actually proof of knowledge requires a suitable demonstration, the burden of proof is on you to prove you have full knowledge of NFL player contracts. So demonstrate away. Until you do, I and others will continue to take your words for what they are worth.

3 and 4. Just because we have not yet seen repercussions publicly again does no mean they have not happened. Your insistence that because someone has a job means there are no repercussions is as of yet unproven.

Also, just because there have not yet been punishments does not mean their won't be and failure to enforce rules does not mean the rules do not exist.

5. On many occasions you have stated that you are conservative, you are not.

6. I have never taken issue with you being a registered Republican, only that you claim one thing and demonstrate another.

7. As previously stated, arguing to the majority does not make something factual. Your stated positions and arguments demonstrate that you are a liberal, it's sad that you can't accept who and what you are.

8, 9, 10. Stating I am wrong does not make me wrong. Again stating facts not in evidence.

You have stated a few minor facts and then made egregious leaps of so fancy that you call logic in an attempt to support your assertions.

Just stop.

[~Rocktar~]

I think that the words of the President from all the way back in January should guide the actions of his followers...

"Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. Even if I don't always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views."
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/823174199036542980

Strange how that message seems to have changed.

How many Conservatives have you seen rioting in the streets? Nothing changed other than fans and others got fed up with entitled brats biting the hand that feeds them.

[Androidpk]

Look at all these conservative snowflakes crying over a non-issue, fucking love it.

[Tgo01]

Look at all these conservative snowflakes crying over a non-issue, fucking love it.

You're right, crying won't get us anywhere. Clearly we need to start violent "protests" and punch a Socialist. SOMEONE GET ME A SAFE SPACE!

[Latrinsorm]

re:
1. Actually proof of knowledge requires a suitable demonstration, the burden of proof is on you to prove you have full knowledge of NFL player contracts. So demonstrate away. Until you do, I and others will continue to take your words for what they are worth.

3 and 4. Just because we have not yet seen repercussions publicly again does no mean they have not happened. Your insistence that because someone has a job means there are no repercussions is as of yet unproven.

Also, just because there have not yet been punishments does not mean their won't be and failure to enforce rules does not mean the rules do not exist.

5. On many occasions you have stated that you are conservative, you are not.

6. I have never taken issue with you being a registered Republican, only that you claim one thing and demonstrate another.

7. As previously stated, arguing to the majority does not make something factual. Your stated positions and arguments demonstrate that you are a liberal, it's sad that you can't accept who and what you are.

8, 9, 10. Stating I am wrong does not make me wrong. Again stating facts not in evidence.

You have stated a few minor facts and then made egregious leaps of so fancy that you call logic in an attempt to support your assertions.

Just stop.I specifically say I'm not making a logical argument, you declare that I call it logic. Oh well. I did my best. Some people prefer ignorance.

I can live with that, too.

[Gompers]

How many Conservatives have you seen rioting in the streets? Nothing changed other than fans and others got fed up with entitled brats biting the hand that feeds them.

At this point, Trump's Twitter account holds more weight than any one (or 10,000) collective conservatives could have. When he tweets something, he is broadcasting that message across the entire globe.


fed up with entitled brats biting the hand that feeds them.

Biting the (white owner's?) hand? I feel like I've heard this story before...

[Parkbandit]

Crazy. You're s just so patriotic about this (like our President) I'd have assumed that you risked your life and limbs to protect our country!

It's not that I'm "so patriotic".. I just don't believe it helps spitting on people who have sacrificed their lives for our country. That's always been the way the left operates though... except when it wasn't cool.. then they were all like "We're supporting the troops, we're just not supporting the war" bullshit.


What was your excuse for not serving? Was it bone spurs? It amazes me that couch patriots like yourself and the President find this so upsetting, when actual patriots (who answered the call from their country) got injured (visible or not) died, and/or lost friends fighting for the EXACT unalienable rights these players are exercising.

I didn't realize I required an excuse for not serving. Are you suggesting that the only people that can say anything on this subject are the people who served?


But of course you didn't serve, you're no better than Trump - a nutless coward who projects their own insecurities in order to divide others.

Wait.. so only people who have served in the armed forces are not cowards and have testicles?

You are hilarious.


Edit: Sorry, went to Texas State on the GI Bill. I suppose you'll argue that I did not.

Not going to argue anything. It's the Internet.. you can claim pretty much anything you want to claim.

Wait.. did you even have a point with this post?

[Parkbandit]

I think that the words of the President from all the way back in January should guide the actions of his followers...

"Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. Even if I don't always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views."
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/823174199036542980

Strange how that message seems to have changed.

If I were at a job where someone else paid my salary... I'm not sure they would allow me to have a peaceful protest during the time in which I am being paid.

No one is saying they don't have a right... some people are saying that perhaps the disrespect for the National Anthem during the time in which you are being paid is probably not the most appropriate time.

[Parkbandit]

Maybe Kaepernick will get hired now.

I doubt it. You first have to be a good QB..

[subzero]

Maybe Kaepernick will get hired now.

Nope. He still sucks as a QB.


You're right, crying won't get us anywhere. Clearly we need to start violent "protests" and punch a Socialist. SOMEONE GET ME A SOCIALIST!

Autocorrect complete.

[tyrant-201]

Ya'll have way too much time on your hands if you're crying about professional athletes protesting during the national anthem. Let's make it clear that they're not protesting THE flag, or THE anthem. They're protesting inequity and injustice.

[tyrant-201]

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[Tgo01]

They're protesting inequity and injustice.

And that's exactly why the protest is bullshit. It's like those idiots who march against institutionalized racism, then you ask them what specifically are they referring to and they just say "You know, the racism, that's out there. It exists. If you don't get it it's because you're white." Or my favorite is when a black person says "It ain't MY job to educate you why you're racist! You're supposed to figure that shit out on your own."

If these protests had a specific issue they were drawing light to I might not give as much shit about. But when you literally just make something up and "protest" against it you're "justified" (in your own mind) to protest it forever because there is no way to ever fix the thing you just made up in your head.

[tyrant-201]

And that's exactly why the protest is bullshit. It's like those idiots who march against institutionalized racism, then you ask them what specifically are they referring to and they just say "You know, the racism, that's out there. It exists. If you don't get it it's because you're white." Or my favorite is when a black person says "It ain't MY job to educate you why you're racist! You're supposed to figure that shit out on your own."

If these protests had a specific issue they were drawing light to I might not give as much shit about. But when you literally just make something up and "protest" against it you're "justified" (in your own mind) to protest it forever because there is no way to ever fix the thing you just made up in your head.

I don't necessarily agree with them. I agree with their ability to express their opinion, as well as anyone else. And before someone else comes in and says "YEA BUT WHAT ABOUT THEM BEING ON THE JOB!" most of the owners in the NFL have come out in support of their players' ability to freely express their point of view.

Ya'll need to give up on thinking this is about disrespecting the flag, or the country, or the national anthem. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech.

[Tgo01]

most of the owners in the NFL have come out in support of their players' ability to freely express their point of view.

Yeah right. I wonder how long a player would last if during the anthem he held up a sign reading "FUCK BLACK LIVES MATTER."

What the NFL owners have come out in "support" of is their players being able to freely express themselves...as long as it's the narrative the left currently is comfortable with.

[Candor]

Ya'll need to give up on thinking this is about disrespecting the flag, or the country, or the national anthem. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech.

Yeah, but I also have the right to state my opinion regarding other folks opinions - that is also freedom of speech. And if you kneel before the flag during the national anthem, you are showing disrespect to the flag. Duh.

[tyrant-201]

Yeah, but I also have the right to state my opinion regarding other folks opinions - that is also freedom of speech. And if you kneel before the flag during the national anthem, you are showing disrespect to the flag. Duh.

I never said you didn't have that right?

I've never been one to put much stock in tradition or symbolic gestures. I think how you conduct yourself, as an American and a person, is a lot more important than showing deference to a song or a flag.

Clearly in the age of micro-aggression and the media amplifying and overplaying stories, this is an important issue. We'll all get along fine whether or not a few athletes decide to stand for the anthem or not. And I will personally continue to watch the sport, because I learned long ago that I didn't need to agree politically with the people who provide entertainment.

[Tgo01]

And I will personally continue to watch the sport, because I learned long ago that I didn't need to agree politically with the people who provide entertainment.

I agree, I don't care about someone's political views. But the media and Hollywood (and now sports teams at large apparently) have lost their collective shit since Trump won the election and have kicked this political shit up to 11.

Look at Stephen Colbert, he's not just doing "funny" skits making fun of Republicans anymore, he straight up gets in front of a camera and tells Trump to fuck off.

What about Joss Whedon, no longer is he a great producer who happens to believe a woman should be able to abort her baby all the way up to the minute before the baby is born, he now just constantly tells Trump and all of his supporters that they are nothing but racist pieces of garbage.

And finally the NFL. No longer are they millionaires who beat their wives, girlfriends, and run illegal dog fighting rings, but now they are disrespecting our nation, our police, our military, and using the tradition of being invited to the White House to further their pathetic political ideology. Fuck'em.

[Androidpk]

Keep crying.

[Methais]

I'm not making a logical argument

I'm glad you finally decided to start being honest.

[Orthin]

most owners supporting players versus all owners supporting players are two different things. But hell they can do whatever they want if their code of conduct or whatever PA bylaws allows them. My employee could shit can me if they wanted to for doing the same thing but that's built in to their corporate policy and I signed their handbook saying I would abide, freedom of speech or not they can fire me with cause.

If these cats are free to kneel they are free to kneel. I mean hell they can get DUIs and smoke pot and beat women and may get suspended on a case by case basis so I have a feeling they have some wiggle room for being douches during the anthem.

[Wrathbringer]

Yeah, but I also have the right to state my opinion regarding other folks opinions - that is also freedom of speech. And if you kneel before the flag during the national anthem, you are showing disrespect to the flag. Duh.

Stfu candork.

[Androidpk]

Something tells me Candor doesn't snap to attention while he's sitting at home watching the game.

[Tgo01]

Something tells me Candor doesn't snap to attention while he's sitting at home watching the game.

Because the national anthem etiquette doesn't compel Candor or anyone else watching from home to do so.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301



(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1) when the flag is displayed—
(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.


Key words being "all PRESENT." It doesn't say those watching from home.

And yes, I realize this isn't enforceable by law and is just etiquette, but that's sort of what we're talking about here.

[Fallen]

Aww snap, even Tom Brady is getting in on it.


And, as the NFL’s leading player right now, would he actually say anything? He gave a hint Sunday, liking an Instagram photo posted by Aaron Rodgers (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/09/24/aaron-rodgers-tom-brady-and-other-nfl-players-weigh-in-on-national-anthem-protests/?utm_term=.1fd18626d055) of himself and three Packers players kneeling.

On Monday morning, after standing for the anthem and linking arms with a teammate, Brady was more explicit.“I certainly disagree with what he said,” he said in his weekly WEEI radio appearance (http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/tom-brady-kc-i-certainly-disagree-what-donald-trump-said). “I thought it was just divisive. I just want to support my teammates. I am never one to say, ‘Oh, that is wrong. That is right.’ I do believe in what I believe in. I believe in bringing people together and respect and love and trust. Those are the values that my parents instilled in me.”

[Parkbandit]

Ya'll have way too much time on your hands if you're crying about professional athletes protesting during the national anthem. Let's make it clear that they're not protesting THE flag, or THE anthem. They're protesting inequity and injustice.

That's the thing though.. whatever their reason for doing it... but sitting or kneeling or putting your fist up in the air during the National Anthem IS protesting THE anthem. Why not do it during halftime.. or do it on the field before the game.. or do it right after the game?

But if you are doing it during the anthem, you are disrespecting the anthem.

[ClydeR]

The whole point of Trump's comments was to increase turnout in Alabama's Senate runoff tomorrow. Trump knew that the press and some NFL players would go crazy over his remarks. The only surprise is that the players did not go further in taking the bait. Trump has invested his reputation in supporting Strange in the runoff. Polls show Strange behind slightly or significantly, depending on which polls you trust.

[ClydeR]

Standing with locked arms = Trump wins



He's really riled up today, and still at it. Not acceptable! RATINGS!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKgkg7DV4AA91K2.jpg

[Parkbandit]

I've never been one to put much stock in tradition or symbolic gestures. I think how you conduct yourself, as an American and a person, is a lot more important than showing deference to a song or a flag.


I'm the same way actually. But when I'm asked to remove my hat and stand up with my hand on my heart while the National Anthem is played.. I don't do it specifically for me.. but for those people who DO put stock in tradition and symbolic gestures. It's like when I'm forced to go to Church for a relatives baptism or whatever.. when the Priest or Rabbi asks us to stand up.. I stand up. I don't kneel down or put my fist in the air because of whatever is bothering me that specific day. I stand up because the people around me believe in God or Jesus or Mohammed or space aliens and I don't want to disrespect THEIR beliefs.

It's called common courtesy... which people in this country have shown to have very little of.

[Parkbandit]

Something tells me Candor doesn't snap to attention while he's sitting at home watching the game.

Wait.. you do?

Stop being stupid just to be stupid since time4fun isn't here anymore.

We don't need a fill in.

[Neveragain]

Remember when the NFL was actually good like 40 years ago?

I do agree though, the US has oppressed these people by paying them 20 million dollars a year to play with a ball. The struggles are real!

[Methais]

Remember when the NFL was actually good like 40 years ago?

I do agree though, the US has oppressed these people by paying them 20 million dollars a year to play with a ball. The struggles are real!

I want to be oppressed too.

[Wrathbringer]

I want to be oppressed too.

Walk around a city in black face. That should do it.

[Androidpk]

But if you are doing it during the anthem, you are disrespecting the anthem.

Aww your poor fucking feelings.

[Androidpk]

Wait.. you do?

Stop being stupid just to be stupid since time4fun isn't here anymore.

We don't need a fill in.

I'm not the one crying over people peacefully protesting and exercising their freedom of speech, something veterans fought for you know.

[Ardwen]

heh and Nascar gained its first supporter, of course he is retiring but Dale Earnhardt Jr. still has the biggest name in that sport.

[Fallen]

Well there you go. All the true, red-blooded Americans can switch from watching football to NASCAR. Anyone who doesn't is a card carrying commie.

[Androidpk]

Richard Petty showing how petty he is. “Anybody that don’t stand up for that ought to be out of the country. Period,”

Yes, this is exactly what the country needs, forced nationalism. GTFO you ignorant PoS.

[Tisket]

Richard Petty showing how petty he is. “Anybody that don’t stand up for that ought to be out of the country. Period,”

Yes, this is exactly what the country needs, forced nationalism. GTFO you ignorant PoS.

Why don't you support his right to express his opinion?

[Parkbandit]

Why don't you support his right to express his opinion?

Because Androidpk only believes in freedom of speech that he agrees with.

Mostly because he's an ignorant PoS.

[Taernath]

Why don't you support his right to express his opinion?

That wasn't a criticism on his right to say it, it was a criticism on what he said.

[Tisket]

That wasn't a criticism on his right to say it, it was a criticism on what he said.

And he suggested that Petty get out, I assume from the country. Pretty much what Petty said.

[Kembal]

Think this is an interesting article about the NFL player reaction to what Trump said:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-insult-strikes-nerve-with-nfl-players


President Donald Trump struck a nerve with NFL players when he implored team owners to “get that son of a bitch off the field” for protesting during the national anthem.

The line drew loud applause at the president’s political rally in Huntsville, Alabama, but the words cut deep into America’s most popular sports league, where the majority of players are black and many grew up in tough neighborhoods, raised by strong women.

“I’m a son of a queen,” an emotional Falcons defensive lineman Grady Jarrett said.

“There are no SOBs in this league,” Lions coach Jim Caldwell said Sunday, when at least 200 NFL players either knelt, sat, stretched or prayed during “The Star-Spangled Banner” to protest Trump’s remarks. Three teams didn’t even take the field until the national anthem was over.

Feel pretty certain no NFL team will want to visit the White House while Trump is president. Taking an issue with what they do during the anthem is one thing - insulting their moms is something else.

[Wrathbringer]

Richard Petty showing how petty he is. “Anybody that don’t stand up for that ought to be out of the country. Period,”

Yes, this is exactly what the country needs, forced nationalism. GTFO you ignorant PoS.

Did you have permission from tgo to call someone a piece of shit? That's kind of his thing.

[Parkbandit]

Think this is an interesting article about the NFL player reaction to what Trump said:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-insult-strikes-nerve-with-nfl-players

Feel pretty certain no NFL team will want to visit the White House while Trump is president. Taking an issue with what they do during the anthem is one thing - insulting their moms is something else.

Wait.. when you call someone a "Son of a bitch", you believe you are really insulting their mother when you do it?

Talk about your fake news...

I use that phrase almost everyday.. mostly in Discord and in a joking manner.. but I don't know their mother at all.

I KNOW! MIND BLOWN!

[Parkbandit]

The rules pertaining the National Anthem are found on pages A62-63 of the National Football League’s game operations manual:


The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/09/24/were-not-going-to-play-politics-steelers-mike-tomlin-says-team-wont-take-the-field-for-anthem/?utm_term=.b273d77ee1e2

In before some liberal raging bitch comes here and states "No it's not, Snopes told me it wasn't! (I hope it's time4fun...)" Snopes stated it's not in the RULEBOOK, the actual passage is in the Operations manual

[Gelston]

Wait.. when you call someone a "Son of a bitch", you believe you are really insulting their mother when you do it?

Talk about your fake news...

I use that phrase almost everyday.. mostly in Discord and in a joking manner.. but I don't know their mother at all.

I KNOW! MIND BLOWN!

The only people I ever met that thought I was insulting their mother when I said son of a bitch were terps who didn't speak English as a first language.

[Wrathbringer]

The only people I ever met that thought I was insulting their mother when I said son of a bitch were terds who didn't speak English as a first language.

you spoke with terds?

[Gelston]

you spoke with terds?

Often I consider you to be on the same level as Macgyver.

[Androidpk]

And he suggested that Petty get out, I assume from the country. Pretty much what Petty said.

I didn't say GTFO of the country. As Taernath said it wasn't criticism of his right to say it, just criticism on what he said. And no, PB, I believe in the right to free speech for all, not just shit I agree with, so try again.

[Wrathbringer]

Often I consider myself to be a gay tard.

Well, there's nothing wrong with that. You just do you.

[Methais]

Richard Petty showing how petty he is. “Anybody that don’t stand up for that ought to be out of the country. Period,”

Yes, this is exactly what the country needs, forced nationalism. GTFO you ignorant PoS.

"You think anyone who doesn't stand up for the National Anthem should be out of the country? That's ignorant, you need to get the fuck out!"

http://www.zipdialog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Caution-Irony-Alert-sign-200px-margin-right.png


Feel pretty certain no NFL team will want to visit the White House while Trump is president. Taking an issue with what they do during the anthem is one thing - insulting their moms is something else.

I'm not sure if you're being disingenuous or if you're just that huge of a clueless vagina.

[Androidpk]

"You think anyone who doesn't stand up for the National Anthem should be out of the country? That's ignorant, you need to get the fuck out!"

http://www.zipdialog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Caution-Irony-Alert-sign-200px-margin-right.png

learn2read

[Gelston]

learn2read

Stop trying to tell people how to live their life you fucking fascist.

[Androidpk]

Stop trying to tell people how to live their life you fucking fascist.

I lol'd

[Androidpk]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/00/cc/6b/00cc6b3cf2164b3067e92924c54a5cc4--political-satire-political-cartoons.jpg

[Methais]

learn2read

Which part of that post are you trying to say I misinterpreted?

[Parkbandit]

I didn't say GTFO of the country. As Taernath said it wasn't criticism of his right to say it, just criticism on what he said. And no, PB, I believe in the right to free speech for all, not just shit I agree with, so try again.

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/are-you-sure-about-that-gif-9.gif

[Androidpk]

Which part of that post are you trying to say I misinterpreted?

All of it.

[Kembal]

Wait.. when you call someone a "Son of a bitch", you believe you are really insulting their mother when you do it?

Talk about your fake news...

I use that phrase almost everyday.. mostly in Discord and in a joking manner.. but I don't know their mother at all.

I KNOW! MIND BLOWN!

Maybe you should read the full article. There's about 8 players quoted, angry about what the President said. Some fairly prominent ones too - Mike Evans, Brandon Marshall (the Broncos LB), Terrell Suggs. Clearly, they didn't take it as a joke, and I find it strange for you to equate how you say it as a joke in a chat room to how the President said it at a political rally where he called for all of those protesting to be fired.

Other than that, I've got nothing else to say on the topic. The 1st Amendment is the 1st Amendment, and if the owners are fine with the players expressing their views in this fashion at their workplace, then we as fans can make a choice whether to attend/watch or not. Simple as that.

[Parkbandit]

Maybe you should read the full article. There's about 8 players quoted, angry about what the President said. Some fairly prominent ones too - Mike Evans, Brandon Marshall (the Broncos LB), Terrell Suggs. Clearly, they didn't take it as a joke, and I find it strange for you to equate how you say it as a joke in a chat room to how the President said it at a political rally where he called for all of those protesting to be fired.

Other than that, I've got nothing else to say on the topic. The 1st Amendment is the 1st Amendment, and if the owners are fine with the players expressing their views in this fashion at their workplace, then we as fans can make a choice whether to attend/watch or not. Simple as that.

Then the "fairly prominent" players are just as dumb as you come across if they believe that when someone calls them a "son of a bitch" that they are referring to their mothers. I find it strange that you don't understand that very simple fact.

Seems like you want an excuse to be madder at President Trump than he's already given you... "HE JUST CALLED MY MOMMY A BITCH!"

Sorry, no.


And since you are having difficulty in this arena, allow me to guide you:

1) When you are called "bastard", very few people mean you were born out of wedlock and your father ran off.
2) When someone calls you an "asshole", very few people mean you are literally a rectum opening.
3) When someone calls you a "dick", very few people mean you are literally a penis.
4) When someone calls you a "Sensitive little snowflake", very few people mean you are literally a flake of snow that has feelings.
5) When someone calls you a "douchebag", very few people mean you are literally a plastic bag that vaginal cleaning fluid is stored until it's used.
6) When someone calls you a "pansy", very few people mean you are a delicate little flower.
7) When someone calls you a "delicate little flower", very few people mean you are literally a delicate little flower.
8) When someone calls you a "pussy", very few people mean you are literally a vagina.

If you need any further guidance, feel free to PM me with an insult question. We really shouldn't have to spend too much time on this since you are probably the only son of a bitch here that doesn't get it.

Also, tell your mother to stop being such a bitch.

[Parkbandit]

http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/sports/2017/09/25/steelers-coach-mike-tomlin-raps-alejandro-villanueva-for-standing-for-national-anthem/_jcr_content/par/featured_image/media-0.img.jpg/931/524/1506339573234.jpg?ve=1&tl=1&text=big-top-image

He currently has the #1 selling jersey on NFL.com

[Tenlaar]

I recognize their rights to express their views. I also recognize my right to think they're assholes.

That's nice and also has nothing to do with the President saying earlier this year that he recognizes the rights of people to express their views and now rage tweeting that people who are peacefully protesting are un-Americans who should lose their jobs, and that it's not acceptable and their employers should be boycotted until the un-Americans are either fired or forced to stop expressing their views through peaceful protest.


If they have a problem with Trump then take it up with him, why take it out on everyone who thinks it's disrespectful to disrespect the national anthem?

Oh I'm sure they have a problem with him now, but I've never seen anything to indicate that this started because of Trump in any way.

[Latrinsorm]

And that's exactly why the protest is bullshit. It's like those idiots who march against institutionalized racism, then you ask them what specifically are they referring to and they just say "You know, the racism, that's out there. It exists. If you don't get it it's because you're white." Or my favorite is when a black person says "It ain't MY job to educate you why you're racist! You're supposed to figure that shit out on your own." If these protests had a specific issue they were drawing light to I might not give as much shit about. But when you literally just make something up and "protest" against it you're "justified" (in your own mind) to protest it forever because there is no way to ever fix the thing you just made up in your head.Colin Kaepernick stated a specific, actionable issue from the beginning. He can't force you to read it. No one can.
Yeah right. I wonder how long a player would last if during the anthem he held up a sign reading "FUCK BLACK LIVES MATTER." What the NFL owners have come out in "support" of is their players being able to freely express themselves...as long as it's the narrative the left currently is comfortable with.Holding up a sign is actually forbidden by NFL contracts.
Yeah, but I also have the right to state my opinion regarding other folks opinions - that is also freedom of speech. And if you kneel before the flag during the national anthem, you are showing disrespect to the flag. Duh.
That's the thing though.. whatever their reason for doing it... but sitting or kneeling or putting your fist up in the air during the National Anthem IS protesting THE anthem. Why not do it during halftime.. or do it on the field before the game.. or do it right after the game? But if you are doing it during the anthem, you are disrespecting the anthem.Paraphrasing a tweet I read, these protests are as much about disrespecting the flag/anthem as Rosa Parks' protest was about disrespecting public transportation.

[drauz]

Colin Kaepernick stated a specific, actionable issue from the beginning. He can't force you to read it. No one can.


"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."

That is not specific at all, it is exactly what Tgo complained about. It is vague and doesn't help the problem. If anything it exacerbates it. As Ben Sharpiro puts it "It leaves you chasing ghosts". Show where the racism is and then it can be fixed. Just shouting that there is racism some where out there in the ether doesn't help anyone.

[Tgo01]

Remember when the NFL was actually good like 40 years ago?

Before it was filled with murderers, wife beaters, and dog abusers?

[Tgo01]

That's nice and also has nothing to do with the President saying earlier this year that he recognizes the rights of people to express their views and now rage tweeting that people who are peacefully protesting are un-Americans who should lose their jobs, and that it's not acceptable and their employers should be boycotted until the un-Americans are either fired or forced to stop expressing their views through peaceful protest.

So...the president doesn't have the right to think they're assholes and should lose their jobs and be boycotted?


Oh I'm sure they have a problem with him now, but I've never seen anything to indicate that this started because of Trump in any way.

It didn't start because of Trump, but it's pretty clear it's being tied to Trump now.

[Tgo01]

Colin Kaepernick stated a specific, actionable issue from the beginning.

Give me the cliff notes


Holding up a sign is actually forbidden by NFL contracts.

And not being on the field during the national anthem is against NFL rules too but that didn't stop entire teams from not showing up.


Paraphrasing a tweet I read, these protests are as much about disrespecting the flag/anthem as Rosa Parks' protest was about disrespecting public transportation.

That's a lamer analogy than your haircut.

[Candor]

So...the president doesn't have the right to think they're assholes and should lose their jobs and be boycotted?

Funny thing about free speech - it doesn't apply just to liberals.

[Tisket]

So...the president doesn't have the right to think they're assholes and should lose their jobs and be boycotted?



To be honest, I feel the President of the US should be held to a higher standard. He doesn't need to spew out every thought he has. It's not a question of free speech, it's a question of discretion.

[Tgo01]

To be honest, I feel the President of the US should be held to a higher standard. He doesn't need to spew out every thought he has. It's not a question of free speech, it's a question of discretion.

8 years ago I would agree with you, but after Obama destroyed the integrity of the office it's kind of a moot point now. I think this is partly why Trump won and still receives a lot of support; people are tired of this two faced system where one side is guilty of doing shit yet when the other party is in power the aforementioned party expects the party in power to be held to higher standards then they held their own party to.

Trump just doesn't care about playing nice because some people (who haven't been nice at all in 8+ years) feels he should be nice. It's actually refreshing to be honest. If Jeb! got in office he probably would be bending over backwards to appease people every time someone accused him of sneezing wrong.

[drauz]

8 years ago I would agree with you, but after Obama destroyed the integrity of the office it's kind of a moot point now. I think this is partly why Trump won and still receives a lot of support; people are tired of this two faced system where one side is guilty of doing shit yet when the other party is in power the aforementioned party expects the party in power to be held to higher standards then they held their own party to.

Trump just doesn't care about playing nice because some people (who haven't been nice at all in 8+ years) feels he should be nice. It's actually refreshing to be honest. If Jeb! got in office he probably would be bending over backwards to appease people every time someone accused him of sneezing wrong.

Have to agree with Tisket, he should put the phone down 90% of the time.

[Kembal]

Then the "fairly prominent" players are just as dumb as you come across if they believe that when someone calls them a "son of a bitch" that they are referring to their mothers. I find it strange that you don't understand that very simple fact.

Seems like you want an excuse to be madder at President Trump than he's already given you... "HE JUST CALLED MY MOMMY A BITCH!"

Sorry, no.


And since you are having difficulty in this arena, allow me to guide you:

1) When you are called "bastard", very few people mean you were born out of wedlock and your father ran off.
2) When someone calls you an "asshole", very few people mean you are literally a rectum opening.
3) When someone calls you a "dick", very few people mean you are literally a penis.
4) When someone calls you a "Sensitive little snowflake", very few people mean you are literally a flake of snow that has feelings.
5) When someone calls you a "douchebag", very few people mean you are literally a plastic bag that vaginal cleaning fluid is stored until it's used.
6) When someone calls you a "pansy", very few people mean you are a delicate little flower.
7) When someone calls you a "delicate little flower", very few people mean you are literally a delicate little flower.
8) When someone calls you a "pussy", very few people mean you are literally a vagina.

If you need any further guidance, feel free to PM me with an insult question. We really shouldn't have to spend too much time on this since you are probably the only son of a bitch here that doesn't get it.

Also, tell your mother to stop being such a bitch.

I'm amused you think a) that I'm angry about this at all, b) that your insults will rile me up, c) that I'd like to invent a reason to be additionally mad at Trump, and d) that you think I don't know how "son of a bitch" is actually used by most people.

Anyway, you can continue living in denial about how those NFL players interpreted Trump's words. Sorry for intruding on your bubble.

[Tgo01]

Have to agree with Tisket, he should put the phone down 90% of the time.

No.

Democrats were proud when Obama was bashing the police, Christians, our country, and campaigning and supporting a presidential candidate more than any US president in history, because those are all things Democrats love and cherish.

I'm going to be proud when Trump calls out the bullshit happening in this country that I agree with him on as well and I'm not going to hold him to a higher standard than Democrats held Obama to.

[drauz]

No.

Democrats were proud when Obama was bashing the police, Christians, our country, and campaigning and supporting a presidential candidate more than any US president in history, because those are all things Democrats love and cherish.

I'm going to be proud when Trump calls out the bullshit happening in this country that I agree with him on as well and I'm not going to hold him to a higher standard than Democrats held Obama to.

Yes.

[drauz]

Drauz, if you're really getting desperate I can send you a vid on how to suck your own cock.

https://i.imgur.com/Mc9JBd9.gif

[Androidpk]

No.

Democrats were proud when Obama was bashing the police, Christians, our country, and campaigning and supporting a presidential candidate more than any US president in history, because those are all things Democrats love and cherish.

I'm going to be proud when Trump calls out the bullshit happening in this country that I agree with him on as well and I'm not going to hold him to a higher standard than Democrats held Obama to.

Laughable how hard you try to defend this cretin.Thank god he has useful idiots like yourself, he's going to need all the support he can muster come 2020.

[Tgo01]

Laughable how hard you try to defend this cretin.Thank god he has useful idiots like yourself, he's going to need all the support he can muster come 2020.

Sounds like someone needs a safe space. Show us on the doll where the mean Trump touched you.

[leifastagsweed]

To be honest, I feel the President of the US should be held to a higher standard. He doesn't need to spew out every thought he has. It's not a question of free speech, it's a question of discretion.

This is the only thing noteworthy about this entire fucking issue. Thank you for bringing it back around to the actual point, Tisket.


8 years ago I would agree with you, but after Obama destroyed the integrity of the office it's kind of a moot point now.

I can't believe you really think this. Did you fail 8th grade history?

Tgo's 12 year old mentality is what brought me to this thread today. I am going back to concerning myself with the shitty way Seattle played yesterday, not whether they came out to the field to hear a warbly song.

[Tgo01]

I can't believe you really think this. Did you fail 8th grade history?

I know you are but what am I?


Tgo's 12 year old mentality is what brought me to this thread today. I am going back to concerning myself with the shitty way Seattle played yesterday, not whether they came out to the field to hear a warbly song.

Maybe Seattle plays so shitty because they are too focused on politics instead of focused on playing football.

[leifastagsweed]

Maybe Seattle plays so shitty because they are too focused on politics instead of focused on playing football.

I think they played shitty because they are pussies about the heat and it was hot AF yesterday in Tennessee.

[drauz]

I think they played shitty because they are pussies about the heat and it was hot AF yesterday in Tennessee.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7rPIg7ZNQ8

[Androidpk]

Sounds like someone needs a safe space. Show us on the doll where the mean Trump touched you.

Sure, making fun of Trump fanatics means I'm the one that needs a safe space.. :jerkit: You're just as sorry as those who endlessly defend the Clintons.

[Tgo01]

Sure, making fun of Trump fanatics means I'm the one that needs a safe space.. :jerkit: You're just as sorry as those who endlessly defend the Clintons.

He touched you on the pussy didn't he?

[Orthin]

No.

Democrats were proud when Obama was bashing the police, Christians, our country, and campaigning and supporting a presidential candidate more than any US president in history, because those are all things Democrats love and cherish.

I'm going to be proud when Trump calls out the bullshit happening in this country that I agree with him on as well and I'm not going to hold him to a higher standard than Democrats held Obama to.

The point you make is legitimate and that is the main problem. Our politics have become a "he said, she said" and that is a dangerous landscape to be in. The president regardless of whoever they are serves the greater good and has to transcend party lines once in power because his or her constituency becomes everyone and when both sides are self serving it creates the ripples in our communities we have. I get that out POTUS will have to lean one way or the other but overall the system has been skewing too much to each parties hard lines and has created a divisive nation, albeit because we allowed it to

[Parkbandit]

I'm amused you think a) that I'm angry about this at all, b) that your insults will rile me up, c) that I'd like to invent a reason to be additionally mad at Trump, and d) that you think I don't know how "son of a bitch" is actually used by most people.

Anyway, you can continue living in denial about how those NFL players interpreted Trump's words. Sorry for intruding on your bubble.

Your initial post.. then you doubling down on it.. illustrated that either you don't know how "son of a bitch" is actually used by most people.. or you just wanted to post something and that was the best you had.

Either way, it was dumb. Don't blame me for pointing it out though.

[Parkbandit]

No.

Democrats were proud when Obama was bashing the police, Christians, our country, and campaigning and supporting a presidential candidate more than any US president in history, because those are all things Democrats love and cherish.

I'm going to be proud when Trump calls out the bullshit happening in this country that I agree with him on as well and I'm not going to hold him to a higher standard than Democrats held Obama to.

Let's not go off the deep end here.

I too enjoy Trump's tweets... mostly because it gets sooooo many sensitive little bitches riled up... but Trump is not doing anything to elevate the Office of the President. He's lowering it.

[Tenlaar]

No.

Democrats were proud when Obama was bashing the police, Christians, our country, and campaigning and supporting a presidential candidate more than any US president in history, because those are all things Democrats love and cherish.

I'm going to be proud when Trump calls out the bullshit happening in this country that I agree with him on as well and I'm not going to hold him to a higher standard than Democrats held Obama to.

It's now at over 20 tweets since Saturday about this. Calling for boycots of the NFL. Calling for people to be fired. That you would try to act like Obama in any way acted anything even remotely like this just shows how detached from reality your adoration of Trump is.

[Gelston]

I honestly wish Trump would shut the fuck up on Twitter. Still much rather have him there than Hillary though.

[Parkbandit]

I honestly wish Trump would shut the fuck up on Twitter. Still much rather have him there than Hillary though.

Absolutely.

BUT I DO love how upset idiots in the media get about his Twitter use.

[Tisket]

Let's not go off the deep end here.

I too enjoy Trump's tweets... mostly because it gets sooooo many sensitive little bitches riled up... but Trump is not doing anything to elevate the Office of the President. He's lowering it.

Exactly this.

I want our President to be an actual god damned statesman. Not a petty twatter fanatic.

[Wrathbringer]

Exactly this.

I want our President to be an actual god damned statesman. Not a petty twatter fanatic.

I see what you did there heheheh

[Androidpk]

but Trump is not doing anything to elevate the Office of the President. He's lowering it.

I don't always agree with PB but when I do it's because i'm right. Yes, I'd still take Trump over a Clinton but at this point, considering Trump's piss poor behavior, I'm finding myself actually missing Obama. I may not have agreed with everything he did but at least he acted like a respected leader.

[Ashliana]

No.

Democrats were proud when Obama was bashing the police, Christians, our country, and campaigning and supporting a presidential candidate more than any US president in history, because those are all things Democrats love and cherish.

I'm going to be proud when Trump calls out the bullshit happening in this country that I agree with him on as well and I'm not going to hold him to a higher standard than Democrats held Obama to.

Please, by all means, point out where Obama "bashed the police."

Obama, in reality, criticized (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/us/obama-says-movements-like-black-lives-matter-cant-just-keep-on-yelling.html?mcubz=0) Black Lives Matter (for which they resented him), repeatedly (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-obama-police/obama-says-attacks-on-police-hurt-black-lives-matter-cause-idUSKCN0ZQ0MB) / defended (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRqsDXLbbMM) / police (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/obama-police-baton-rouge-225686) and urged calm and restraint on both sides. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/07/10/obama-calls-mutual-respect-black-lives-matter-and-police/86917082/)

Similarly, please point out where Obama ever "bashed Christians" -- considering he's a Christian -- and "our country."

You literally voted -- and continunously serve up half-baked apologetics -- for someone whose campaign and family knowingly conspired with the Russian government. You don't get to call someone else's patriotism into question without being appropriately called out as a totally deluded imbecile.

[Wrathbringer]

Please, by all means, point out where Obama "bashed the police."

Obama, in reality, criticized (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/us/obama-says-movements-like-black-lives-matter-cant-just-keep-on-yelling.html?mcubz=0) Black Lives Matter (for which they resented him), repeatedly (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-obama-police/obama-says-attacks-on-police-hurt-black-lives-matter-cause-idUSKCN0ZQ0MB) / defended (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRqsDXLbbMM) / police (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/obama-police-baton-rouge-225686) and urged calm and restraint on both sides. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/07/10/obama-calls-mutual-respect-black-lives-matter-and-police/86917082/)

Similarly, please point out where Obama ever "bashed Christians" -- considering he's a Christian -- and "our country."

You literally voted -- and continunously serve up half-baked apologetics -- for someone whose campaign and family knowingly conspired with the Russian government. You don't get to call someone else's patriotism into question without being appropriately called out as a totally deluded imbecile.

I'm sorry you're so retarded.

[Ashliana]

I'm sorry you're so retarded.

I'm sorry that, month after month, you still can't scrounge your dumpster fire of a brain for an actual independent thought. Let me know when you become able to articulate your own opinions rather than recycling Breitbart's, though.

[Fortybox]

It's now at over 20 tweets since Saturday about this. Calling for boycots of the NFL. Calling for people to be fired. That you would try to act like Obama in any way acted anything even remotely like this just shows how detached from reality your adoration of Trump is.

So an NFL player can kneel and gain media attention for an opinion but the President can't gain media attention for an opinion...

I love the double standard.

[Methais]

I'm amused you think a) that I'm angry about this at all, b) that your insults will rile me up, c) that I'd like to invent a reason to be additionally mad at Trump, and d) that you think I don't know how "son of a bitch" is actually used by most people.

Anyway, you can continue living in denial about how those NFL players interpreted Trump's words. Sorry for intruding on your bubble.

Do you think those NFL players are really so stupid that they genuinely took "son of a bitch" literally? Or is it just more faux outrage, which is all the rage these days?

It can't be both, and it can't be neither.

[Methais]

The point you make is legitimate and that is the main problem. Our politics have become a "he said, she said" and that is a dangerous landscape to be in. The president regardless of whoever they are serves the greater good and has to transcend party lines once in power because his or her constituency becomes everyone and when both sides are self serving it creates the ripples in our communities we have. I get that out POTUS will have to lean one way or the other but overall the system has been skewing too much to each parties hard lines and has created a divisive nation, albeit because we allowed it to

I blame social media.


I see what you did there heheheh

Twitter: A place for twits
Twatter: A place for twats

[Wrathbringer]

I'm sorry that, month after month, you still can't scrounge your dumpster fire of a brain for an actual independent thought. Let me know when you become able to articulate your own opinions rather than recycling Breitbart's, though.

Lol @your rep

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/YZitr6j.png

By this logic I think it's safe to say that the NFL players weren't kneeling in protest, they were kneeling in honor of the flag.

There's only one thing we should be kneeling before anyway...
https://hqofk.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/zodkneel.gif?w=840

[Ashliana]

Lol @your rep

Thanks for, once again, proving my point. :) Couldn't do it without your eager, willing and predictable stupidity.

[Wrathbringer]

i smell like an ass.

Ok? Maybe shower every now and then?

[Parkbandit]

Please, by all means, point out where Obama "bashed the police."

Obama, in reality, criticized (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/us/obama-says-movements-like-black-lives-matter-cant-just-keep-on-yelling.html?mcubz=0) Black Lives Matter (for which they resented him), repeatedly (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-obama-police/obama-says-attacks-on-police-hurt-black-lives-matter-cause-idUSKCN0ZQ0MB) / defended (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRqsDXLbbMM) / police (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/obama-police-baton-rouge-225686) and urged calm and restraint on both sides. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/07/10/obama-calls-mutual-respect-black-lives-matter-and-police/86917082/)

Similarly, please point out where Obama ever "bashed Christians" -- considering he's a Christian -- and "our country."

You literally voted -- and continunously serve up half-baked apologetics -- for someone whose campaign and family knowingly conspired with the Russian government. You don't get to call someone else's patriotism into question without being appropriately called out as a totally deluded imbecile.

LOL... but when you include this quote:


I'm sorry that, month after month, you still can't scrounge your dumpster fire of a brain for an actual independent thought. Let me know when you become able to articulate your own opinions rather than recycling Breitbart's, though.

It's even funnier.

[Amerek]

By even suggesting that the Trump campaign 'conspired' with the Russians, you are in fact recycling CNN/MSNBC talking point. Which is such a humongous crock of shit, I'm surprised anyone takes it seriously.

[Parkbandit]

By even suggesting that the Trump campaign 'conspired' with the Russians, you are in fact recycling CNN/MSNBC talking point. Which is such a humongous crock of shit, I'm surprised anyone takes it seriously.

No one takes It seriously. Look at It's rep.

[subzero]

insulting their moms is something else.

I thought it was kind of funny hearing some of the comments regarding the 'son of a bitch' deal. No, idiots, he didn't mean any player was literally the son of a bitch. It had nothing whatsoever to do with anyone's mother. Had he said, "Get that motherfucker off of the field", would any of you dipshits think he meant they were out there fucking mothers (which, if we're being literal about things for no reason, could be good/cool or bad, I guess. Such an insult!)? No. No, you wouldn't. Stop being stupid.


Wait.. when you call someone a "Son of a bitch", you believe you are really insulting their mother when you do it?

Talk about your fake news...

I use that phrase almost everyday.. mostly in Discord and in a joking manner.. but I don't know their mother at all.

I KNOW! MIND BLOWN!

Context is a motherfucker! That's right. It fucked YOUR mother last night! Ooooooh, what now, nigga?!


Maybe you should read the full article. There's about 8 players quoted, angry about what the President said. Some fairly prominent ones too - Mike Evans, Brandon Marshall (the Broncos LB), Terrell Suggs. Clearly, they didn't take it as a joke, and I find it strange for you to equate how you say it as a joke in a chat room to how the President said it at a political rally where he called for all of those protesting to be fired.

Being a prominent player doesn't mean they're not idiots. Sort of like how I wouldn't take political advice from a Scarlett Johansson, I wouldn't just trust NFL players with literacy because they're good at their job.

[Tenlaar]

So an NFL player can kneel and gain media attention for an opinion but the President can't gain media attention for an opinion...

I love the double standard.

The President is attempting to influence private companies to curtail the freedom of expression that it's employees have been allowed to have. Again, this is the President, and I expect more from the President than any other person. Clearly holding the President to a higher standard has pretty much been shot to shit at this point though, with how many people fully embrace his childishness, personal attacks, and apparent belief that he is still a reality TV star on a TV show where he has to authority to fire anybody. Whether they work for him or not.

[Tenlaar]

And on another note...

https://i.imgur.com/luCv0kR.png

[Ashliana]

LOL... but when you include this quote:



It's even funnier.

The Mr. Magoo-level lack of self-awareness it took to "laugh" at my calling someone else out for failing to substantively respond, while you spectacularly failed in precisely the same way as Wrathbringer, is lost on nobody ... except you.


By even suggesting that the Trump campaign 'conspired' with the Russians, you are in fact recycling CNN/MSNBC talking point. Which is such a humongous crock of shit, I'm surprised anyone takes it seriously.

Sorry, buddy. Not a talking point. Trump Jr.'s already copped to it. That's why the conservative echo chamber's talking points changed from "where's the evidence?" to "Collusion? What's the crime?" Your apologetics are months out of date.

And you can ask Manafort, Flynn and Trump Jr. about how they feel about those "talking points" when the indictments start being filed.

[Parkbandit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxFhBWaRSGA

I hope he fights the fine he will inevitably get for doing this. Isn't this just another example of "free speech"?

[Wrathbringer]

The Mr. Magoo-level lack of self-awareness it took to "laugh" at my calling someone else out for failing to substantively respond, while you spectacularly failed in precisely the same way as Wrathbringer, is lost on nobody ... except you.



Sorry, buddy. Not a talking point. Trump Jr.'s already copped to it. That's why the conservative echo chamber's talking points changed from "where's the evidence?" to "Collusion? What's the crime?" Your apologetics are months out of date.

And you can ask Manafort, Flynn and Trump Jr. about how they feel about those "talking points" when the indictments start being filed.

You need to take a substantive shit. Just saying.

[Androidpk]

By this logic I think it's safe to say that the NFL players weren't kneeling in protest, they were kneeling in honor of the flag.

Actually, yes, they are.


On Aug 30th, 2016 Nate Boyer, a former Army Green Beret turned NFL long snapper, penned an open letter to Colin in the Army Times. In it he expressed how Colin's sitting affected him.
Then a strange thing happened. Colin was able to do what most Americans to date have not...
He listened.

In his letter Mr. Boyer writes:

"I’m not judging you for standing up for what you believe in. It’s your inalienable right. What you are doing takes a lot of courage, and I’d be lying if I said I knew what it was like to walk around in your shoes. I’ve never had to deal with prejudice because of the color of my skin, and for me to say I can relate to what you’ve gone through is as ignorant as someone who’s never been in a combat zone telling me they understand what it’s like to go to war. Even though my initial reaction to your protest was one of anger, I’m trying to listen to what you’re saying and why you’re doing it." Mr. Boyer goes on to write "There are already plenty people fighting fire with fire, and it’s just not helping anyone or anything. So I’m just going to keep listening, with an open mind. I look forward to the day you're inspired to once again stand during our national anthem. I'll be standing right there next to you."

Empathy and understanding was shown by Mr. Boyer.........and Mr. Kaepernick reciprocated. Colin invited Nate to San Diego where the two had a 90 minute discussion and Nate proposed Colin kneel instead of sit.

But why kneel? In a military funeral, after the flag is taken off the casket of the fallen military member, it is smartly folded 13 times and then presented to the parents, spouse or child of the fallen member by a fellow service member while KNEELING.

The two decided that kneeling for the flag would symbolize his reverence for those that paid the ultimate sacrifice while still allowing Colin to peacefully protest the injustices he saw.

[Parkbandit]

The Mr. Magoo-level lack of self-awareness it took to "laugh" at my calling someone else out for failing to substantively respond, while you spectacularly failed in precisely the same way as Wrathbringer, is lost on nobody ... except you.

The only one with self awareness issues (among many, many other obvious issues) is you.

It: All you do is regurgitate talking points!
It: PS - Hillary won by 3 million votes, B-B-B-B-B-B-BUT RUSSIA!, Breitbart/Faux News!, deeeeeeeeeeeeerp!

[Androidpk]

Good op-ed on the topic by former 4 star general Michael Hayden - http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/352419-michael-hayden-in-trump-versus-nfl-standing-up-for-free-speech

[Parkbandit]

Actually, yes, they are.

You are seriously disillusion if you believe the are kneeling in honor of America or the flag or the National Anthem.

Just a little note: NFL games are not funerals... unless you are the Browns.

[Methais]

You are seriously disillusion if you believe the are kneeling in honor of America or the flag or the National Anthem.

Just a little note: NFL games are not funerals... unless you are the Browns.

:lol:

[Androidpk]

You are seriously disillusion if you believe the are kneeling in honor of America or the flag or the National Anthem.

Just a little note: NFL games are not funerals... unless you are the Browns.

Oh look, another person with no reading comprehension.

[Ashliana]

The only one with self awareness issues (among many, many other obvious issues) is you.

It: All you do is regurgitate talking points!
It: PS - Hillary won by 3 million votes, B-B-B-B-B-B-BUT RUSSIA!, Breitbart/Faux News!, deeeeeeeeeeeeerp!

"Hey, you, It! You're talking about things they talked about on the news! Err, uhhh, I mean, the LIE-BRUHL MEDIA! And if it was covered on the LIE-BRUHL media, I get to dismiss it as a talking point, right? And either way, that's totally the same thing as Wrathbringer who, exactly like me, never actually offered a substantive reply to anything that you said!"

-unironically claimed by Tardbandit, who somehow managed to shit that out without the cringe causing him to contort so badly he became a black hole.

[Parkbandit]

"Hey, you, It! You're talking about things they talked about on the news! Err, uhhh, I mean, the LIE-BRUHL MEDIA! And if it was covered on the LIE-BRUHL media, I get to dismiss it as a talking point, right? And either way, that's totally the same thing as Wrathbringer who, exactly like me, never actually offered a substantive reply to anything that you said!"

-unironically claimed by Tardbandit, who somehow managed to shit that out without the cringe causing him to contort so badly he became a black hole.

"I used bold, italics, bold italics and capital bold italics. I use this as a defense mechanism because I hope to distract you from realizing I have never had anything intelligent to say that I didn't parrot off Huffingtonpost.com and moveon.org. Also, my womb, MY CHOICE!"

-Assliana

[Tgo01]

I too enjoy Trump's tweets... mostly because it gets sooooo many sensitive little bitches riled up... but Trump is not doing anything to elevate the Office of the President. He's lowering it.

He's not elevating it. I'd say so far he's pretty much on par with how much Obama lowered it.

[Tgo01]

It's now at over 20 tweets since Saturday about this. Calling for boycots of the NFL. Calling for people to be fired. That you would try to act like Obama in any way acted anything even remotely like this just shows how detached from reality your adoration of Trump is.

And Obama said the police act stupidly. He stoked racial anger by claiming if he had a son he would have looked like Trayvon Martin. He stood before Congress and repeated the lie that women earn 70 cents for every dollar a man makes. He broke presidential tradition by mostly staying out of the election of who is going to replace him, while past presidents typically just endorsed someone, Obama went above and beyond in regards of actively campaigning for Hillary, telling black people he would take it as a personal insult if they did not vote for Hillary, and attacking Trump at every possible term.

But you were fine with all of that apparently. I'm assuming you're also fine with Obama defending current Muslim murderous terrorists by attacking Christians for the crusades. For the fucking crusades!

[Tgo01]

Please, by all means, point out where Obama "bashed the police."

How about that professor bullshit shortly after he became president. Without knowing the facts he said the police "acted stupidly."

How about shortly after the Michael Brown shooting, before the grand jury had even finished he said "Too many young men of color feel targeted by law enforcement. Guilty of walking while black, driving while black, judged by stereotypes that fuel fear and resentment and hopelessness." Of course the grand jury interviewed witness after witness who said it happened the way the police officer said it happened and that investigators found the "hands up don't shoot" narrative was complete bullshit.

But Obama had to get in front of the cameras first to let everyone know black people mistrust the police and for good reason. But don't let facts get in the way of your morale outrage.


Similarly, please point out where Obama ever "bashed Christians" -- considering he's a Christian -- and "our country."

Are you for real? His stupid crusades comment? Get out of here.


You literally voted

Wrong.

[Tenlaar]

But you were fine with all of that apparently. I'm assuming

This pretty well sums up the problem with trying to talk about anything with you. Your arguments are so frequently based entirely on things that you decide with no evidence, and then you argue from a point of those things being fact.

[Androidpk]

I'd say so far he's pretty much on par with how much Obama lowered it.

This is what severe delusion looks like, ladies and gentlemen.

[Tgo01]

This pretty well sums up the problem with trying to talk about anything with you. Your arguments are so frequently based entirely on things that you decide with no evidence, and then you argue from a point of those things being fact.

Don't be a little shit head again, this is EXACTLY what you said:


That you would try to act like Obama in any way acted anything even remotely like this just shows how detached from reality your adoration of Trump is.

So you are flat out admitting Obama did nothing as bad as Trump did. Therefore you were either fine with the fucked up shit Obama did, or you for some strange reason think bashing (and heavily imply they are racist) over 1 million police in the US is not as bad as Trump saying it would be wonderful if NFL team owners fired any players who disrespected the flag or the anthem.

Oh boo hoo! Those poor multi millionaire football players who commit more crimes as a league than your average citizen! But it's okay/not as bad to bash 1+ million police officers. Yeah. Yeah that makes sense. It about sums up how full of shit you typically are.

[Tgo01]

This is what severe delusion looks like, ladies and gentlemen.

Another person who can't articulate an actual argument even though I went through all of the effort to articulate my argument (I even used small words so cretins such as yourself could understand it.) I can't say that I'm surprised. All we need now is Ashiliana to come along with his bold, italic, and underline words and also not make an actual point.

[Gelston]

So, are people talking more about people kneeling or the reasons why they are kneeling?

[Androidpk]

Another person who can't articulate an actual argument even though I went through all of the effort to articulate my argument (I even used small words so cretins such as yourself could understand it.) I can't say that I'm surprised. All we need now is Ashiliana to come along with his bold, italic, and underline words and also not make an actual point.

Ooo, get angry you little snowflake.:lol:

[Tgo01]

So, are people talking more about people kneeling or the reasons why they are kneeling?

I'm talking about them protesting the anthem at all, I don't care about their reasons.

[Tgo01]

Ooo, get angry you little snowflake.:lol:

Tell us again how you're so angry at Trump for grabbing you by the pussy.

[Gelston]

I'm talking about them protesting the anthem at all, I don't care about their reasons.

That is my point. They are kneeling to protest social injustices, but not a single person I know is talking about that. They are bitching about them kneeling, not the reasons why.

[Tgo01]

That is my point. They are kneeling to protest social injustices, but not a single person I know is talking about that. They are bitching about them kneeling, not the reasons why.

Because like I explained earlier they have no real cause and I think a lot of people realize this. They aren't pointing to an actual, specific thing they are whining about that everyone can say "Yeah, yeah that's fucked up. Maybe we should fix that." Then once it's fixed the players can pat themselves on the back and think they made some change for the better in the world.

Instead it's vague oppression bullshit and white supremacy bullshit. Something that is entirely vague and mostly made up that no one can point to and say "Hey, let's fix this" then it gets fixed and they can stop protesting. No. They don't want to stop protesting because now at this point if they stop protesting they are now uncle Toms and sell outs.

It's just stupid bullshit nonsense all around.

[Tenlaar]

Don't be a little shit head again, this is EXACTLY what you said:
You want to talk to me this way and expect me to respond to anything you have to say? If you can't have even a little bit of respect for people then you aren't worth talking to. Now go ahead and claim that being such an incredibly rude and disrespectful person that I literally just do not want to exchange words with you any more is a great victory for you.

[Androidpk]

I don't care about their reasons.

Yes, you have made that abundantly clear.

[Androidpk]

Tell us again how you're so angry at Trump for grabbing you by the pussy.

You can try deflecting all you want, it won't work.

[Tgo01]

You want to talk to me this way and expect me to respond to anything you have to say?

Get over it. You always whine about how "uncivil" I am yet you are like the poster boy for incivility. I presented my argument with facts and quotes and I explained why I felt the way I do. You come back with: You're wrong. You're so wrong I can't believe how stupid you are for being wrong.

This is basically 90% of your posts too. You aren't interested at all in a debate or hearing another person's perspective. You're just interested in insisting your opinion is fact and then you wait around to pounce on anyone for being stupid for disagreeing with your opinion-fact.

It's like playing pigeon chess with you; doesn't matter how well I present my argument or even how "nice" you want me to be, ultimately you're just going to knock over the pieces and shit all over the board and then claim the moral high ground like some sort of Obi Wan Kenobi on steroids.

[Tgo01]

Yes, you have made that abundantly clear.

So clear even a simpleton such as yourself understood it. See? Progress!


You can try deflecting all you want, it won't work.

Deflecting from what? How "angry" I'm getting? How I'm a "snowflake"? You got me. I'm an angry snowflake.

[Ashliana]

"I used bold, italics, bold italics and capital bold italics. I use this as a defense mechanism because I hope to distract you from realizing I have never had anything intelligent to say that I didn't parrot off Huffingtonpost.com and moveon.org. Also, my womb, MY CHOICE!"

-Assliana

"Anything that the LIE-BRUHL media reported on must be false! Oh, how I love my get-out-of-reality-free card! What do you mean, I still couldn't come up with an actual counterargument to anything you said? Sh-shut up!"
-PB


And Obama said the police act stupidly.

What Obama said:

"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately."

Wow! What a race baiter! You totally win this point, and Obama definitely should've deferred to the magic shield from criticism you seem to think they have. In reality, Obama later said he regretted contributing to "the media frenzy," hoped it could become a teachable moment, and reiterated his support for police.



He stoked racial anger by claiming if he had a son he would have looked like Trayvon Martin.

Please. Obama was the first black president, and the various protests about killings were explicitly related to race relations. You can characterize it as "stoking racial anger" all you want -- the reality is, anything he said would've "stoked racial anger" -- racists' anger -- and you just wanted him to stay silent. Martin died at the end of February 2012, and Obama didn't make the "son" comment until almost a full month later.



He stood before Congress and repeated the lie that women earn 70 cents for every dollar a man makes.

That he did. A dumb comment. And guess who called him out for it? That's right! Your favorite site that you like to pretend ignores liberals and thus can't possibly hold conservatives accountable, Politifact! (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/21/barack-obama/barack-obama-ad-says-women-are-paid-77-cents-dolla/)



He broke presidential tradition by mostly staying out of the election of who is going to replace him, while past presidents typically just endorsed someone, Obama went above and beyond in regards of actively campaigning for Hillary, telling black people he would take it as a personal insult if they did not vote for Hillary, and attacking Trump at every possible term.

One: It's funny hearing a conservative complaining about whatever norms Obama broke. Hello? Have you turned on a television in the last 18 months? Have you seen our Cheeto-in-Chief?

Two: We now know the Obama administration had lots of intel about how Trump's campaign was working with Russia, and weren't sure of how to deal with it without -- ding, ding, ding -- people like you, Wrathbringer and Parkbandit being utterly incapable of divorcing American interests from partisan parochial interests. If anything, Obama should've done more -- much more.


But you were fine with all of that apparently. I'm assuming you're also fine with Obama defending current Muslim murderous terrorists by attacking Christians for the crusades. For the fucking crusades!

What Obama said: "And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ."

It's true that many people (including Obama) get the jist of the crusades wrong. However, the point itself remains valid. The Inquisition? Burned people at the stake, and Christianity was repeatedly used to justify slavery. Jefferson Davis -- remember that guy? -- when he was still a US senator from Mississippi, declared:

"It is enough for me elsewhere to know, that it was established by decree of Almighty God, that it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelations; that it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts." There are hundreds of similar examples there. Certain major church factions were explicitly founded because of slavery-related issues, like the Southern Baptist Convention, which exists to this day.

Your characterization, however, that he "bashed Christians" -- is totally absurd on its face. Not only does he, again, still practice the religion, he used the above as an example that Christians have already risen above those issues, as a reminder that Muslims can do the same.


How about that professor bullshit shortly after he became president. Without knowing the facts he said the police "acted stupidly."

See above.


How about shortly after the Michael Brown shooting, before the grand jury had even finished he said "Too many young men of color feel targeted by law enforcement. Guilty of walking while black, driving while black, judged by stereotypes that fuel fear and resentment and hopelessness." Of course the grand jury interviewed witness after witness who said it happened the way the police officer said it happened and that investigators found the "hands up don't shoot" narrative was complete bullshit.

But Obama had to get in front of the cameras first to let everyone know black people mistrust the police and for good reason. But don't let facts get in the way of your morale outrage.

Again, you wish he would simply not say anything about race relations. Not only did he not rush to judgment on Michael Brown (his statements repeatedly say: "it's being investigated"), those more general comments remain valid, regardless of whether you find yourself capable of empathizing with them. I realize it must be fun for you to lump Obama in with other "clickbaity, pandery liberal media types," but it's in your imagination. Obama was largely muted on race issues throughout his presidency, critical of the only major group protesting (BLM) and wasn't the type to rush to judgment regarding anything.


Are you for real? His stupid crusades comment? Get out of here.

See above.


Wrong.

Oh? You didn't vote for the Cheeto-in-Chief? Good for you. You're ever so slightly less irredeemable than your contemporaries.

[Tgo01]

What Obama said:

"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately."

Wait, you somehow think this paints Obama in a positive light? LOL!

"Yeah I don't have all of the facts but what I do know is the police acted stupidly and the police are racist assholes. Those are the facts."

Wow. Honestly his entire quote is worse than what I remembered. I just remember the "acting stupidly" part.

[Ashliana]

Sees 10 things, responds to 1 he delusionally believes is rhetorically weakest.

It certainly doesn't equal Obama "bashing the police" -- much less Democrats "being proud" of him doing so -- as you retardedly claimed.

[Tgo01]

Sees 10 things, responds to 1 he delusionally believes is rhetorically weakest.

No my eyes literally start to bleed when I see a long post of yours, I can usually only muster to reply to the first couple of things I see before my vision completely blacks out.


It certainly doesn't equal Obama "bashing the police" -- much less Democrats "being proud" of him doing so -- as you retardedly claimed.

Taking that opportunity to imply all police are racist assholes wasn't bashing the police? You high?

And Democrats weren't "proud" of him for stating that? The fuck they weren't. They were cheering him on, and now 8 years later Democrats (not all!) absolutely loathe the police. The facts don't seem to match up well with your revision of recent history.

[Ashliana]

No my eyes literally start to bleed when I see a long post of yours, I can usually only muster to reply to the first couple of things I see before my vision completely blacks out.

Perhaps you shouldn't make so many incredibly stupid assertions if you don't want people rebutting them.


Taking that opportunity to imply all police are racist assholes wasn't bashing the police? You high?

And Democrats weren't "proud" of him for stating that? The fuck they weren't. They were cheering him on, and now 8 years later Democrats (not all!) absolutely loathe the police. The facts don't seem to match up well with your revision of recent history.

He did no such thing. You're interpreting any criticism of an individual police officer, or pointing out the storied history that the black community has with police in general, as "bashing" all police, regardless of whatever other (even immediately subsequent) comments he's made in complete support of them. "He criticized a cop! COPS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MAGIC, ANTI-CRITICISM SHIELD, YOU GUYS!!!!!shift+1! That means HE HATES POLICE, AND DEMOCRATS ARE SO PROUD OF HIM!

Which Democrats were "proud," exactly? Individual citizens? Lawmakers? Who? And no, a large percentage are mistrustful of police, especially on matters of race relations, but "loathe" the police? Good luck proving that one, buddy.

[Fortybox]

The President is attempting to influence private companies to curtail the freedom of expression that it's employees have been allowed to have. Again, this is the President, and I expect more from the President than any other person. Clearly holding the President to a higher standard has pretty much been shot to shit at this point though, with how many people fully embrace his childishness, personal attacks, and apparent belief that he is still a reality TV star on a TV show where he has to authority to fire anybody. Whether they work for him or not.

Oh I see. So it's wrong for a President, who is a businessman, who knows business, to express an opinion about...business. But NFL players, making millions, are not acting like little brats with their opinions.

So glad that this was cleared up.

[Fortybox]

BTW, this whole thing is stupid. Prior to 2009 football players weren't generally on the field for the national anthem (they were in the locker room).

Oh, and guess what administration paid thousands of dollars of tax payer money to teams to line up on the sidelines to show support for troops and increase recruitments? That would be Obama.

Paid patrionism at its best!

[drauz]

Perhaps you shouldn't make so many incredibly stupid assertions if you don't want people rebutting them.



He did no such thing. You're interpreting any criticism of an individual police officer, or pointing out the storied history that the black community has with police in general, as "bashing" all police, regardless of whatever other (even immediately subsequent) comments he's made in complete support of them. "He criticized a cop! COPS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MAGIC, ANTI-CRITICISM SHIELD, YOU GUYS!!!!!shift+1! That means HE HATES POLICE, AND DEMOCRATS ARE SO PROUD OF HIM!

Which Democrats were "proud," exactly? Individual citizens? Lawmakers? Who? And no, a large percentage are mistrustful of police, especially on matters of race relations, but "loathe" the police? Good luck proving that one, buddy.

There is no denying that race relations went to shit under Obama. What caused it is up for debate. He sure didn't help it though in my opinion.

That isn't to say Trump is doing wonder either.

[Tenlaar]

Oh I see. So it's wrong for a President, who is a businessman, who knows business, to express an opinion about...business. But NFL players, making millions, are not acting like little brats with their opinions.

So glad that this was cleared up.

Yes, it is wrong for a President to purposefully raise a public outcry in order to try to force American citizens to stop peacefully protesting or suffer consequences.

So sad that this is something that apparently needs to be "cleared up."

[Tgo01]

Yes, it is wrong for a President to purposefully raise a public outcry in order to try to force American citizens to stop peacefully protesting or suffer consequences.

"Or suffer consequences"? So Trump literally threatened to take action against someone? Stop. You're being beyond ridiculous at this point.

[Tenlaar]

I presented my argument with facts

Your "argument" was listing things that you personally interpret in a negative way, not facts. And then your argument was stating that I agreed with all of those things, because unless I've stated how opposed I am to something directly to you, I was in full agreement with it and am a huge fan of everything that Obama ever did regardless of the fact that I have been critical of him. You are aggressive at every turn, insulting at every chance, and frankly, just not worth really engaging in any meaningful discussion. You can act like that's on me all you want, but here is an actual fact - I don't really want to discuss things with you any more because of how you behave in discussions, not because of how bigly awesome and unbeatable your "facts" are.

[Fortybox]

Yes, it is wrong for a President to purposefully raise a public outcry in order to try to force American citizens to stop peacefully protesting or suffer consequences.

So sad that this is something that apparently needs to be "cleared up."

More of your double speak. These NFL idiots are causing outcry. Here's a snippet from Dallas:


https://youtu.be/kL3H5cI67WY

The American people are behind Trump on this. You just don't get it.

[Tgo01]

Your "argument" was listing things that you personally interpret in a negative way, not facts.

Do you know what facts are? It means shit that actually happened. So yes, me "listing things" THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, and using said facts to back up my argument is exactly what I said I did, and what you just said I did. You are free to "interpret" things differently and tell me why and how. This is how a normal conversation works. How your idea of a "conversation" typically works is you just telling everyone they are wrong because their opinions don't match up with your opinion-fact. Oh yeah, and then you proceed to lose your shit when people call you out on this abnormal behavior.

[Parkbandit]

"Anything that the LIE-BRUHL media reported on must be false! Oh, how I love my get-out-of-reality-free card! What do you mean, I still couldn't come up with an actual counterargument to anything you said? Sh-shut up!"
-PB


"I am an avid MSNBC watcher and never question anything they say, because quite frankly, I'm too dumb to question anything. And I typically use bold and italics to bolster my argument because it's pretty. I also like to catfish and pretend to be something I'm not on the Internet.. because really, who is going to check?"

-It.

[Ashliana]

"I am an avid MSNBC watcher and never question anything they say, because quite frankly, I'm too dumb to question anything. And I typically use bold and italics to bolster my argument because it's pretty. I also like to catfish and pretend to be something I'm not on the Internet.. because really, who is going to check?"

-It.

One of these days you might actually want to look up what "catfishing" means. Because every time you say it here, this is you:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-q4bEULG64

And let me know how hysterically claiming things that have been established as fact (like Trump Jr's explicit admission that he knowingly colluded with the Russian government) -are somehow not real because "MSNBC TOLD YOU THAT!!" I'm sure that screaming "THAT'S WHAT RACHEL MADDOW SAID!" will shield the Trump circle from the imminent indictments.

[Parkbandit]

One of these days you might actually want to look up what "catfishing" means.

Easy Catfish.... I'm sorry that I'm ruining your opportunities.. but I think the public has a right to know about you.


And let me know how hysterically claiming things that have been established as fact (like Trump Jr's explicit admission that he knowingly colluded with the Russian government) -are somehow not real because "MSNBC TOLD YOU THAT!!" I'm sure that screaming "THAT'S WHAT RACHEL MADDOW SAID!" will shield the Trump circle from the imminent indictments.

So, It complains that people regurgitates from Breitbart or Fox.. does the exact same thing with MSNBC.. but somehow that's ok!

Bold, italics and caps... like clockwork.

[Methais]

SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MAGIC, ANTI-CRITICISM SHIELD, YOU GUYS!!!!!shift+1! HE HATES POLICE, AND DEMOCRATS ARE SO PROUD OF HIM!

From this day forth, only the bold, italic, and/or underlined parts of Ashliana's posts shall be acknowledged.

http://i.imgur.com/9B3XjBv.gif

[Ashliana]

Still doesn't know what catfishing is, still can't explain in what way anyone has supposedly "catfished" anyone.

Very impressive, dotard.


So, It complains that people regurgitates from Breitbart or Fox.. does the exact same thing with MSNBC.. but somehow that's ok!

Bold, italics and caps... like clockwork.

Translation: "You can't bring up documented, factual events that were reported by <Insert News Network Here, Though I Have No Evidence You Watched That Network> because that's my get-out-of-planet-Earth free card!"

By all means, feel free to point out the equivalent of what you're repeatedly trying to do here with something I've ever done -- which would have to be my outright dismissal of an actual event that Breitbart just happened to report on, which -- Spoiler Alert -- has never happened. This, uhh, "argument," isn't really working for you. Then again, your arguments are always retarded.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/iruWFyF.jpg

[Parkbandit]

I have to catfish guys.. have you seen what I look like? How else would I get dates?

TMI....


Translation: "YOU CAN TELL I AM FULL OF SHIT WHEN I HAVE TO USE bold, italics, bold italics, BOLD CAPITALS, BOLD ITALICS CAPITALS... It's like the old saying: How do you know when a politician is lying? When their lips are moving.

We know.

[Ashliana]

I'm just one of many conservative """"heterosexuals""" who for some reason is constantly talking about gays, mixed with a dash of dementia.

I know, it must have been hard being raised in the 1940s when you were taught to suppress your fee-fees. Unfortunately, PB, I'm not the right person to vent your fantasies to. Try the Craigslist M4M section -- that's where you closeted dinosaurs typically end up.


Me saying for the thousandth time "YOU USED BOLD, ERMIGHERD" means whatever you said didn't count!

Thanks for your -- what, thousandth? consecutive -- concession.

[Parkbandit]

I 'm GAY I'M GAY I'M GAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!! I also like to catfish guys into giving me stuff. Have I mentioned I'm flaming gay yet? Well I did.. BUT IF YOU DO YOU ARE A HOMOPHOBE! I mean, I can make fun of someone's age.. because that's fine.. BUT ERMIGHERD YOU BETTER NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT HOW I LIKE MY COCKS BECAUSE THAT'S MEAN MEAN MEAN MEAN MEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Being a raging hypocritical douchebag is one of your better qualities.


I'm a catfishing mother fucker

We know. We've always known. I'm not sure why you are so defensive about it...

[Methais]

I know, it must have been hard being raised in the 1940s when you were taught to suppress your fee-fees. Unfortunately, PB, I'm not the right person to vent your fantasies to. Try the Craigslist M4M section -- that's where you closeted dinosaurs typically end up.

Are you trying to insinuate that PB is gay and then using said insinuation as an insult toward him? You must think gay people are inferior if you're using an accusation of gayness as an insult!

Bigot!

https://media.tenor.com/images/0e346bc3fa24dccbab7b88b5eeeedad8/tenor.gif

[Parkbandit]

Are you trying to insinuate that PB is gay and then using said insinuation as an insult toward him? You must think gay people are inferior if you're using an accusation of gayness as an insult!

Bigot!

https://media.tenor.com/images/0e346bc3fa24dccbab7b88b5eeeedad8/tenor.gif

Being a raging hypocritical douchebag is one of It's better qualities.

[Ashliana]

Being a raging hypocritical douchebag is one of your better qualities.

Now not only is it "catfishing" -- except you've never been able to provide an example of it -- now it's catfishing "for stuff." Which "stuff" would that be?

And ooh! We're back to your totally nonsensical charges of """hypocrisy""" for insinuating that your years-long, angry obsession with the sexuality of other men is somehow equivalent to someone implying you're old.

You lost then, just as you're going to lose now (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?110661-Sarah-Huckabee-Sanders-Pwnage&p=1969992#post1969992).


We know. We've always known. I'm not sure why you are so defensive about it...

Your fantasies reflect only on you, my deluded friend.

[Parkbandit]

Now not only is it "catfishing" -- except you've never been able to provide an example of it -- now it's catfishing "for stuff." Which "stuff" would that be?

And ooh! We're back to your totally nonsensical charges of """hypocrisy""" for insinuating that your years-long, angry obsession with the sexuality of other men is somehow equivalent to someone implying you're old.

You lost then, just as you're going to lose now (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?110661-Sarah-Huckabee-Sanders-Pwnage&p=1969992#post1969992).

Yes, yes... back to your "making fun of someone being gay is completely different than making fun of someone because they're gay" song and dance.

Get the fuck out of here with your dick sucking stupidity.


Your fantasies reflect only on you, my deluded friend.

There is no sexual fantasy I have ever had where another guy is involved. Or that you are a friend of mine.

Sorry, that probably ruins your day, but sometimes the truth is the best option. Don't worry though, there are plenty of catfish in the ocean.

[Methais]

Now not only is it "catfishing" -- except you've never been able to provide an example of it -- now it's catfishing "for stuff." Which "stuff" would that be?

And ooh! We're back to your totally nonsensical charges of """hypocrisy""" for insinuating that your years-long, angry obsession with the sexuality of other men is somehow equivalent to someone implying you're old.

You lost then, just as you're going to lose now (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?110661-Sarah-Huckabee-Sanders-Pwnage&p=1969992#post1969992).



Your fantasies reflect only on you, my deluded friend.

But were you trying to insinuate that PB is gay and then using said insinuation as an insult toward him? You must think gay people are inferior if you're using an accusation of gayness as an insult!

Bigot!

https://media.tenor.com/images/0e346bc3fa24dccbab7b88b5eeeedad8/tenor.gif

@Whirlin hate speech

[Ashliana]

Yes, yes... back to your "making fun of someone being gay is completely different than making fun of someone because they're gay" song and dance.

Get the fuck out of here with your dick sucking stupidity.

I'm making fun of you for being continuously obsessed with the sexuality of other men, while claiming to be heterosexual. You've left total strangers vitriolic anti-gay comments for years. Insinuating that you're one of a bunch of closeted, repressed old conservative men is hardly "hypocritical." We get it. You thought you had a free "get out of criticism free" card, and you've fallen on your face repeatedly. You don't, I'm afraid. Nor have you in any way, shape or form established how the act of criticizing you is "hypocritical."


There is no sexual fantasy I have ever had where another guy is involved. Or that you are a friend of mine.

Sorry, that probably ruins your day, but sometimes the truth is the best option. Don't worry though, there are plenty of catfish in the ocean.

Again, you've spent years sending angry, sexualized messages to strangers on the Internet. Clearly, you're thinking about it.


But were you trying to insinuate that PB is gay and then using said insinuation as an insult toward him? You must think gay people are inferior if you're using an accusation of gayness as an insult!

Bigot!

The negative aspect isn't that he's gay -- it's that he's repressed/obsessed/demented. Take your pick. Amusing, though. You get full points for trying.

[Methais]

for years

You can't just says "for years" without context and expect people to know what you're talking about!

https://m.popkey.co/4b1abc/9wXEv.gif

[Ashliana]

You can't just says "for years" without context and expect people to know what you're talking about!

https://m.popkey.co/4b1abc/9wXEv.gif

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?110661-Sarah-Huckabee-Sanders-Pwnage&p=1969992#post1969992

I bolded the link just for you! <3

[Parkbandit]

I'm making fun of you for being continuously obsessed with the sexuality of other men, while claiming to be heterosexual. You've left total strangers vitriolic anti-gay comments for years. Insinuating that you're one of a bunch of closeted, repressed old conservative men is hardly "hypocritical." We get it. You thought you had a free "get out of criticism free" card, and you've fallen on your face repeatedly. You don't, I'm afraid. Nor have you in any way, shape or form established how the act of criticizing you is "hypocritical."

You've left me vitriolic anti-age comments for years. Using your flawed logic, that must mean you must wish you were an old man?

It makes no sense. You can't cry about someone calling you a fag... and in the same post calling them a dinosaur or born in 1940. It doesn't help you playing the victim role... sorry.


Again, you've spent years sending angry, sexualized messages to strangers on the Internet. Clearly, you're thinking about it.

As pointed out... your logic is as flawed and retarded. Stop being that "guy".


The negative aspect isn't that he's gay -- it's that he's repressed/obsessed/demented. Take your pick. Amusing, though. You get full points for trying.

You made calling me being gay as an insult.

You are the worst kind of homosexual.

The worst.

[Methais]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?110661-Sarah-Huckabee-Sanders-Pwnage&p=1969992#post1969992

I bolded the link just for you! <3


"OH MY GOD! HOW CAN YOU NOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR STATEMENTS, YOU HYPOCRITE! WHERE ON EARTH DO YOU GET "ANTI-GAY FROM"? I JUST DON'T LIKE YOU!"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRsnMUQqPzA

[Ashliana]

You've left me vitriolic anti-age comments for years. Using your flawed logic, that must mean you must wish you were an old man?

It makes no sense. You can't cry about someone calling you a fag... and in the same post calling them a dinosaur or born in 1940. It doesn't help you playing the victim role... sorry.

You're a deranged bigot. That's been established. By you, and your years-long history of angry, sexualized anti-gay messages to strangers on the Internet. Absolutely nothing you say to me changes that. My calling out that pattern doesn't establish """"hypocrisy""" no matter how many times you retardedly claim that it does. Calling you old doesn't erase your years-long history of anti-gay comments. Calling you sexually repressed or closeted, as evidenced by your behavior, also doesn't establish """hypocrisy""" no matter how many times you retardedly claim that it does.


As pointed out... your logic is as flawed and retarded. Stop being that "guy".

All you did was demonstrate your inability to think critically, which, much like your long history of anti-gay comments, is well established.


You made calling me being gay as an insult.

You are the worst kind of homosexual.

The worst.

Nope! Neither in the last thread -- from which you ran with your tail tucked between your legs -- nor in this one. Again, the problem isn't with whatever sexuality you have, it's with your obsession/repression/dementedness. Try again, my eternally deluded friend.

[Methais]

You're a deranged bigot. That's been established. By you, and your years-long history of angry, sexualized anti-gay messages to strangers on the Internet. Absolutely nothing you say to me changes that. My calling out that pattern doesn't establish """"hypocrisy""" no matter how many times you retardedly claim that it does. Calling you old doesn't erase your years-long history of anti-gay comments. Calling you sexually repressed or closeted, as evidenced by your behavior, also doesn't establish """hypocrisy""" no matter how many times you retardedly claim that it does.



All you did was demonstrate your inability to think critically, which, much like your long history of anti-gay comments, is well established.



Nope! Neither in the last thread -- from which you ran with your tail tucked between your legs -- nor in this one. Again, the problem isn't with whatever sexuality you have, it's with your obsession/repression/dementedness. Try again, my eternally deluded friend.

What's the deal with gay people's obsession with "Nuh uh, you're only calling me gay because you're secretly gay!" as their go to response? Asking with a straight face (no pun intended) because it seriously never made any sense.

Going by that logic, wouldn't that mean you are a closeted white supremacist, racist, bigot, homophobe, xenophobe, transphobe, etc. along with every other -ist and -phobe you label people as? If not, what makes it so different? What's the logical difference? Emphasis on logical as opposed to emotional.

[Parkbandit]

Serious question, Ashliana: Why is it bad for me to make fun of you because you are gay?

[Ashliana]

What's the deal with gay people's obsession with "Nuh uh, you're only calling me gay because you're secretly gay!" as their go to response? Asking with a straight face (no pun intended) because it seriously never made any sense.


There's a longstanding trend of conservative men who constantly talk about homosexuality being revealed (https://www.advocate.com/people/2016/4/18/17-antigay-leaders-exposed-gay-or-bi) as self-repressed (or simply hypocritical) men in the closet. It's a cliche at this point. Is every frothingly anti-gay conservative bigot a closeted hypocrite? No. Does the accusation trigger conservative snowflakes? You betcha!


Going by that logic, wouldn't that mean you are a closeted white supremacist, racist, bigot, homophobe, xenophobe, transphobe, etc. along with every other -ist and -phobe you label people as? If not, what makes it so different? What's the logical difference? Emphasis on logical as opposed to emotional.

There's probably different "mechanics" going on in the minds of those people, but sure, sometimes. Plenty of people who accuse other people of racism/prejudice/etc., are racist and prejudiced themselves. Is their racism/etc actually fueling their crusade against racism? Well, I suppose you could make the argument, though it isn't particularly convincing.

[Parkbandit]

What's the deal with gay people's obsession with "Nuh uh, you're only calling me gay because you're secretly gay!" as their go to response? Asking with a straight face (no pun intended) because it seriously never made any sense.

Going by that logic, wouldn't that mean you are a closeted white supremacist, racist, bigot, homophobe, xenophobe, transphobe, etc. along with every other -ist and -phobe you label people as? If not, what makes it so different? What's the logical difference? Emphasis on logical as opposed to emotional.

Logic was time4fun's forte and expertise... she taught logic for fuck sake!

[Ashliana]

Serious question, Ashliana: Why is it bad for me to make fun of you because you are gay?

That's a pretty deep question, and one that probably reveals more about you for asking it than any potential answer I could come up with. That being said, there's a reason why you consistently try to derail every conversation we're in back to these issues: your inability to actually engage on any given topic without embarrassing yourself with how poorly reasoned your positions are, and the underlying animus that motivated you to leave those years of messages to various people to begin with.

[Fortybox]

You've left me vitriolic anti-age comments for years. Using your flawed logic, that must mean you must wish you were an old man?

It makes no sense. You can't cry about someone calling you a fag... and in the same post calling them a dinosaur or born in 1940. It doesn't help you playing the victim role... sorry.



As pointed out... your logic is as flawed and retarded. Stop being that "guy".



You made calling me being gay as an insult.

You are the worst kind of homosexual.

The worst.

But are you a dinosaur?

[Fortybox]

That's a pretty deep question, and one that probably reveals more about you for asking it than any potential answer I could come up with. That being said, there's a reason why you consistently try to derail every conversation we're in back to these issues: your inability to actually engage on any given topic without embarrassing yourself with how poorly reasoned your positions are, and the underlying animus that motivated you to leave those years of messages to various people to begin with.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/26FmPTVxvuGupMAYo/giphy.gif

[Parkbandit]

That's a pretty deep question, and one that probably reveals more about you for asking it than any potential answer I could come up with. That being said, there's a reason why you consistently try to derail every conversation we're in back to these issues: your inability to actually engage on any given topic without embarrassing yourself with how poorly reasoned your positions are, and the underlying animus that motivated you to leave those years of messages to various people to begin with.

That answer says more about you than anything else to be honest...

Let's try again... Here, I'll bold, underline and italics it so you know I'm serious:


Serious question, Ashliana: Why is it bad for me to make fun of you because you are gay?

[Parkbandit]

But are you a dinosaur?

Is that a comment about my age or my freakishly short arms?

WELL!?!?

[Ashliana]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/26FmPTVxvuGupMAYo/giphy.gif

I think that's the first time you've made me laugh. Thanks for that.


That answer says more about you than anything else to be honest...

Let's try again... Here, I'll bold, underline and italics it so you know I'm serious:

Do you ever do anything besides shitpost?

[Parkbandit]

Do you ever do anything besides shitpost?

It's a very simple question, asked in a very serious manner.

What are you so afraid of by answering it?

It can't be that you realize what a flaming hypocritical douchebag you are... you haven't had that clarity of thought ever.

So what is it?

[Ashliana]

It's a very simple question, asked in a very serious manner.

What are you so afraid of by answering it?

It can't be that you realize what a flaming hypocritical douchebag you are... you haven't had that clarity of thought ever.

So what is it?

Already asked and answered. You really like going around in circles. Spoiler Alert: You haven't established, in any way, shape or form how criticizing you for your years-long history of leaving deranged, anti-gay comments is somehow """hypocritical.""" You failed, spectacularly, in the last thread, just as you are here.

"YOU CALLED ME OLD! THAT RETROACTIVELY (lol) EXCUSES MY YEARS OF UNHINGED BEHAVIOR! DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW HATEFUL THOSE COMMENTS CALLING ME A DINOSAUR ARE?! WE'RE THE SAME!"
-unironically reguritated, again, by Parkbandit

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgur.com/1cd52DS.jpg

[Tgo01]

https://i.imgur.com/1cd52DS.jpg

Cute. Let me try.

Protests at work
OMG! JUST DO YOUR FUCKING JOB ALREADY! - Liberals

OMG! THEY ARE HEROES PROTESTING POLICE BRUTALITY AND WHITE SUPREMACY! - Also Liberals

[Parkbandit]

Already asked and answered. You really like going around in circles. Spoiler Alert: You haven't established, in any way, shape or form how criticizing you for your years-long history of leaving deranged, anti-gay comments is somehow """hypocritical.""" You failed, spectacularly, in the last thread, just as you are here.

"YOU CALLED ME OLD! THAT RETROACTIVELY (lol) EXCUSES MY YEARS OF UNHINGED BEHAVIOR! DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW HATEFUL THOSE COMMENTS CALLING ME A DINOSAUR ARE?! WE'RE THE SAME!"
-unironically reguritated, again, by Parkbandit

A simple question. You haven't answered it yet.

I completely understand your hesitation. You're a hypocritical douchebag and answering the question would shine a light on that fact.

It's ok, It. I never, ever expected you to muster up enough courage to answer it.

[Taernath]

Cute. Let me try.

Protests at work
OMG! JUST DO YOUR FUCKING JOB ALREADY! - Liberals

OMG! THEY ARE HEROES PROTESTING POLICE BRUTALITY AND WHITE SUPREMACY! - Also Liberals

I don't remember football players refusing to do their "job".

[Ashliana]

JUST DO YOUR FUCKING JOB ALREADY!

Does it really need to be pointed out that Kim Davis was an agent of the US government with a legal obligation to fulfill her duties equally under the law? Even Scalia (https://books.google.com/books?id=rSW3swT9mjsC&pg=PA231&lpg=PA231#v=onepage&q&f=false) - disgusting though he was - stated this, about federal officials and moral objections to fulfilling their duties:

"In my view, the choice for the judge who believes the death penalty to be immoral is resignation, rather than simply ignornig duly enacted, constitutional laws and sabotaging death cases."

An NFL player has no such legal obligation to fulfill their duties, and if they don't fulfill their contracts, then their team can fire them as they see fit.

[Tgo01]

I don't remember football players refusing to do their "job".

I didn't say liberals said they were.

[Ashliana]

A simple question. You haven't answered it yet.

I completely understand your hesitation. You're a hypocritical douchebag and answering the question would shine a light on that fact.

It's ok, It. I never, ever expected you to muster up enough courage to answer it.

Translation: "I left years of frothing, bigoted anti-gay messages to numerous people to hurt their fee-fees! And you called me old a handful of times, clearly to hurt my feefees! That means we're exactly the same and you're a hypocrite for pointing it out!"

That's your argument. And it's an incredibly stupid one, though again, in the context of the usual "arguments" you make, it's not surprising that that was the strongest one you were able to shit out. We had this same discussion last time, which you lost (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?110661-Sarah-Huckabee-Sanders-Pwnage&p=1969992#post1969992). The same thing will be happening here.

[Tgo01]

Does it really need to be pointed out that Kim Davis was an agent of the US government with a legal obligation to fulfill her duties equally under the law? Even Scalia (https://books.google.com/books?id=rSW3swT9mjsC&pg=PA231&lpg=PA231#v=onepage&q&f=false) - disgusting though he was - stated this, about federal officials and moral objections to fulfilling their duties:

OMG! JUST DO YOUR FUCKING JOB ALREADY!


An NFL player has no such legal obligation to fulfill their duties, and if they don't fulfill their contracts, then their team can fire them as they see fit.

OMG! THEY ARE HEROES PROTESTING POLICE BRUTALITY AND WHITE SUPREMACY!

Thanks, Ashliana. You really helped me prove my point quite well.

[Ashliana]

Yeah, your point that people besides you are able to tell the differences of the circumstances in two entirely different scenarios?

Uhh, yeah. Good job.

[Tgo01]

Yeah, your point that people besides you are able to tell the differences of the circumstances in two entirely different scenarios?

Ohhh! You mean like pk's original pic that I was making fun of?

GOT IT!

It's like shooting fish in a barrel on the PC today.

[Parkbandit]

Translation: "I left years of frothing, bigoted anti-gay messages to numerous people to hurt their fee-fees! And you called me old a handful of times, clearly to hurt my feefees! That means we're exactly the same and you're a hypocrite for pointing it out!"

Translation: "I need to pretend I don't understand the question... DAMMIT, he made it in small words that any moron could understand... ok, ok, ok... don't panic... I know! I will play the victim card again! No one can say anything because I'm gay! YES! That will work again! I haven't gone to that sad excuse in EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION EVER.. have I? Doesn't matter.. if someone calls me out, I'm gay and can call them anti-gay.. or better yet, homophobic!"


That's your argument. And it's an incredibly stupid one, though again, in the context of the usual "arguments" you make, it's not surprising that that was the strongest one you were able to shit out. We had this same discussion last time, which you lost (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?110661-Sarah-Huckabee-Sanders-Pwnage&p=1969992#post1969992). The same thing will be happening here.

You're a 1 trick pony, Catfishliana...

[Parkbandit]

It's like shooting fish in a barrel on the PC today.

It always is with Catfishliana posting...

https://media.tenor.com/images/524bb297efc51cf1a765055f874685c7/tenor.gif

[Ashliana]

Translation: "I need to pretend I don't understand the question... DAMMIT, he made it in small words that any moron could understand... ok, ok, ok... don't panic... I know! I will play the victim card again! No one can say anything because I'm gay! YES! That will work again! I haven't gone to that sad excuse in EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION EVER.. have I? Doesn't matter.. if someone calls me out, I'm gay and can call them anti-gay.. or better yet, homophobic!"

:rofl: Could you be any more deluded? The only one claiming "I CAN'T BE CRITICIZED! YOU HYPOCRITE!" here is you. "YOU CALLED ME OLD, YOU HYPOCRITE!!!! MY VICTIMHOOD OF BEING CALLED OLD MEANS NOTHING YOU SAY MATTERS!!shift+11!" you continue to shriek time after time.

And FYI, if you don't want our conversations to veer back to this topic in "EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION EVER," then perhaps you should stop intentionally bringing it here, which you do, again, because you can't actually substantively comment on topics, can't defend your poorly reasoned stances when you actually do, and prefer to simply express your antipathy.


You're a 1 trick pony, Catfishliana...

You couldn't have summed up your lack of self-awareness in a more succinct message if you tried. Best of luck eventually looking up what "catfishing" means. Meanwhile:

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/MpA2HVftSFntl9HhmhlQA3MEjIU=/0x0:1409x785/1200x800/filters:focal(622x252:846x476)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/55701647/Screen_Shot_2017_07_13_at_1.09.20_PM.0.png

[Ashliana]

Ohhh! You mean like pk's original pic that I was making fun of?

GOT IT!

It's like shooting fish in a barrel on the PC today.

In both circumstances, conservatives end up looking retarded. And by extension, so do you.

[Parkbandit]

:rofl: Could you be any more deluded? The only one claiming "I CAN'T BE CRITICIZED! YOU HYPOCRITE!" here is you. "YOU CALLED ME OLD, YOU HYPOCRITE!!!! MY VICTIMHOOD OF BEING CALLED OLD MEANS NOTHING YOU SAY MATTERS!!shift+11!" you continue to shriek time after time.

And FYI, if you don't want our conversations to veer back to this topic in "EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION EVER," then perhaps you should stop intentionally bringing it here, which you do, again, because you can't actually substantively comment on topics, can't defend your poorly reasoned stances when you actually do, and prefer to simply express your antipathy.

You couldn't have summed up your lack of self-awareness in a more succinct message if you tried. Best of luck eventually looking up what "catfishing" means. Meanwhile:



All I hear when you post in your crazy fashion is "glub glub"

https://media.tenor.com/images/524bb297efc51cf1a765055f874685c7/tenor.gif

[Parkbandit]

https://i.imgur.com/1cd52DS.jpg

I'm on record for being against both bullshit "protests".

Sorry :(

[Methais]

Today I learned that Ashliana still can't make a post without saying "substantive."

Honorable mention goes to "self-awareness."

[Tenlaar]

https://i.imgur.com/YTkUswT.png

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/YTkUswT.png

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/thats-a-penis.gif

[Tgo01]

https://i.imgur.com/YTkUswT.png

Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and decide what is and is not disrespectful. I don't need some moron quoting some code to me to tell me that.

Purposefully disrespecting the US flag and the national anthem? Yeah, um, duh, that's disrespectful.

Being a proud American and wanting your uniform to contain US flag imagery? Yeah, um, duh, not disrespectful.

Displaying a giant flag on the field for all to see? Yeah, not disrespectful.

Being proud of living in the greatest country on earth and owning clothing, bedding, and pillows to remind everyone how proud you are? Again, not disrespectful.

You're gonna have to try harder, Tenlaar.

[Parkbandit]

Today I learned that Ashliana still can't make a post without saying "substantive."

Honorable mention goes to "self-awareness."

You diminish It's use of bold, italics, underlines, capital letters, bold italics, bold underline, italics underline, and the grand daddy of them all... bold italics underline capitals

[Gelston]

The thing about the clothes and napkins and shit, those items were never flags to begin with. It is talking about taking a flag and stitching it into clothing and shit. Not making shit that resembles the flag.

[Ashliana]

All I hear when you post in your crazy fashion is "glub glub"

https://media.tenor.com/images/524bb297efc51cf1a765055f874685c7/tenor.gif

https://cdn.meme.am/images/400x/15207861.jpg


Today I learned that Ashliana still can't make a post without saying "substantive."

Honorable mention goes to "self-awareness."

When the shoe fits..

[Androidpk]

Tgo loves the US so much that he didn't join the military and doesn't vote in elections.

[Tenlaar]

He also doesn't care about the actual definitions of disrespecting the flag that happens constantly, he only cares when the flag can be used to limit free speech.

[Tgo01]

Tgo loves the US so much that he didn't join the military and doesn't vote in elections.

So only people who join the military or vote love their country? Hmm. Interesting perspective you got going on there.

[Gelston]

Tgo loves the US so much that he didn't join the military and doesn't vote in elections.

You didn't join the military either though.

[Tgo01]

He also doesn't care about the actual definitions of disrespecting the flag that happens constantly

Let's see what the senate.gov website has to say about the flag code and not some moron on Twitter with an obvious agenda to push:


The Flag Code itself, however, suggests a general rule by which practices involving the flag may be fairly tested: “No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America.” Therefore, actions not specifically included in the Code may be deemed acceptable as long as proper respect is shown.

Oh, that's gotta sting, Tenlaar.

[Androidpk]

You didn't join the military either though.

:jerkit:

[tyrant-201]

If you were stranded, and the only option for toilet paper was the American flag, would you use it?

Asking the tough questions.

I know I would!

[Parkbandit]

https://cdn.meme.am/images/400x/15207861.jpg



https://memegenerator.net/img/images/600x600/11700245/ugly-tranny-2.jpg

[Tgo01]

If you were stranded, and the only option for toilet paper was the American flag, would you use it?

Asking the tough questions.

I know I would!

I only use a bidet now so I would find me a bidet on said stranded island.

[Ashliana]

https://memegenerator.net/img/images/600x600/11700245/ugly-tranny-2.jpg

http://blackstonian.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ArchieBunker.jpghttps://media.giphy.com/media/fokaptLvSWs6I/giphy-facebook_s.jpg

[drauz]

If you were stranded, and the only option for toilet paper was the American flag, would you use it?

Asking the tough questions.

I know I would!

People have flag underwear, so its pretty close already.

[Androidpk]

some moron on Twitter with an obvious agenda to push

paranoid much?

[Tgo01]

paranoid much?

Still reeling from when Trump grabbed you by the pussy?

[Androidpk]

Still reeling from when Trump grabbed you by the pussy?

You seem awfully proud of Trump's phrase.

[Tgo01]

You seem awfully proud of Trump's phrase.

Someone sounds jealous he doesn't grab as much young pussy as a 70 year old man.

[drauz]

You should all write your senators to try and stop Ajit Pai from being reconfirmed. Fuck this distraction bullshit.