NFL players kneeling during National Anthem

[time4fun]

You should research things before you speak, it makes you look like an idiot. He didn't kneel to pray during the National Anthem. He did it prior to the National Anthem.

Okay, he did it before the national anthem.

Does it matter?

Both of them kneeled for something they believe in. Last I checked- that was admirable, not a crime against country.

[Gelston]

Okay, he did it before the national anthem.

Does it matter?

Both of them kneeled for something they believe in. Last I checked- that was admirable, not a crime against country.

Um, yes it matters. People are pissed at Kaepernick for kneeling DURING the National Anthem. that is the entire root cause of the outrage.

[Astray]

Um...no?

People praised him and started referring to it as "Tebowing"

I'm pretty positive he received tons of hate as well. I mean, most of what I'm finding is 2016 on why his faith ruined his career. Also he sucked.

[Gelston]

I think most people were making fun of Tebow the Virgin.

[cwolff]

People were pissed. Now they're cool with it. Maybe just the die hard trumplicans care anymore and that group could even be changing.

[Methais]

Okay, he did it before the national anthem.

Does it matter?

Both of them kneeled for something they believe in. Last I checked- that was admirable, not a crime against country.

Are you being this stupid intentionally or is it by accident?

[Astray]

I think most people were making fun of Tebow the Virgin.

Yeah, there were a couple scathing blog posts like "God doesn't exist that's why Tebow can't win" and shit.

[Gelston]

Yeah, there were a couple scathing blog posts like "God doesn't exist that's why Tebow can't win" and shit.

He is just one of the many guys who were great against amateurs but just couldn't play well against professionals.

[Astray]

He is just one of the many guys who were great against amateurs but just couldn't play well against professionals.

I'm not a sports person but I remember the 'controversy' well enough to remember bad shit was being spewed at him.

[cwolff]

Tebow definitely got made fun of. He also made the righties and the religious adore him even more though.

If there is a God who answers prayers then Timmies answer was "No"

[Methais]

People were pissed. Now they're cool with it. Maybe just the die hard trumplicans care anymore and that group could even be changing.

It is changing. Black people are getting on board the Trump train too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9StAIVCTko4

[Gelston]

Tebow definitely got made fun of. He also made the righties and the religious adore him even more though.

If there is a God who answers prayers then Timmies answer was "No"

Incorrect, God gave him a Heisman and got him into the NFL.

[time4fun]

Um, yes it matters. People are pissed at Kaepernick for kneeling DURING the National Anthem. that is the entire root cause of the outrage.

That being the real cause of the outrage is a dubious claim at best. I don't believe for a second that if he were kneeling at a different time to protest racial injustice, that people would be any less angry.

This was a moment politicized by Trump to help him with his political narrative. And, for the record, I'm no fan of Nike's- I've been boycotting them for a LONG time and will continue to do so. But in this instance- they did the right thing.

But if you look at this situation- it has at least three basic pieces to it:

1) The protest of systemic racial injustice black people (especially men) face at the hands of law enforcement. (Black men account for about 6% of the population and 17% of the people killed by police (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.4d19cbd3bf62). Black people also make up about 39% of the unarmed police shooting victims (https://www.vox.com/cards/police-brutality-shootings-us/us-police-racism))
2) A sitting US President trying to pressure people into attacking a US Citizen for exercising their right to protest
3) A black athlete (and now a sports clothing company) using his position (and rights as an American citizen) to remind people of said racial injustice during the national anthem


And if, out of those three, you're MOST concerned about #3- you need to check your priorities. Because #3 isn't the one that's damaging to society.

[cwolff]

Incorrect, God gave him a Heisman and got him into the NFL.

Ya you're right. He probably quit praying for football success when he got drafted.

[Gelston]

Ya you're right. He probably quit praying for football success when he got drafted.

Haven't you ever seen Angels in the Outfield, asshole? They only take you so far, you have to do shit yourself.

[Astray]

Tebow definitely got made fun of. He also made the righties and the religious adore him even more though.

Do you see any correlation between this and the Kaepernick incident? I mean, it's pretty telling but I want to see how aware you are.

[cwolff]

Haven't you ever seen Angels in the Outfield, asshole? They only take you so far, you have to do shit yourself.

No I haven't but that made me laugh.

Do you see any correlation between this and the Kaepernick incident? I mean, it's pretty telling but I want to see how aware you are.

If you want to say something just say it.

[Methais]

That being the real cause of the outrage is a dubious claim at best. I don't believe for a second that if he were kneeling at a different time to protest racial injustice, that people would be any less angry.

This was a moment politicized by Trump to help him with his political narrative. And, for the record, I'm no fan of Nike's- I've been boycotting them for a LONG time and will continue to do so. But in this instance- they did the right thing.

But if you look at this situation- it has at least three basic pieces to it:

1) The protest of systemic racial injustice black people (especially men) face at the hands of law enforcement. (Black men account for about 6% of the population and 17% of the people killed by police (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.4d19cbd3bf62). Black people also make up about 39% of the unarmed police shooting victims (https://www.vox.com/cards/police-brutality-shootings-us/us-police-racism))
2) A sitting US President trying to pressure people into attacking a US Citizen for exercising their right to protest
3) A black athlete (and now a sports clothing company) using his position (and rights as an American citizen) to remind people of said racial injustice during the national anthem


And if, out of those three, you're MOST concerned about #3- you need to check your priorities. Because #3 isn't the one that's damaging to society.

It doesn't matter why you boycotted them before. If you're still boycotting them, the only possible reason is because you're racist and hate black people.

Reported for being a racist. I'm sure cwolff will make an exception for you though.

[Astray]

If you want to say something just say it.

Some things you gotta figure out on your own, man.

[Methais]

Some things you gotta figure out on your own, man.

You're assuming that cwolff is capable of independent thought vs. being told what to think by the news.

http://www.mediagin.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/poorly.jpg

[Astray]

We'll kung-fu fight, Methais. I swear to Black Jesus Kaepernick.

[Methais]

We'll kung-fu fight, Methais. I swear to Black Jesus Kaepernick.

Better watch yourself, I'm a black belt in kung fu, as you can see below:

https://i.gifer.com/3vea.gif

I also have 2 PhD's in kung fu.

[RichardCranium]

We'll kung-fu fight, Methais. I swear to Black Jesus Kaepernick.

Challenge him to Mortal Kombat.

[Methais]

Challenge him to Mortal Kombat.

I challenge you to Gemstone!

[Tgo01]

9159Looks like Nike is winning the culture war.

Nike is making money off of gullible morons by riding a wave of hatred to sell overpriced shoes. They're winning the culture war!

How can one man be so dumb?

[Tgo01]

Like it or not they took a gamble and bet on civil rights

Took a gamble on civil rights. You somehow get more and more dumb by the day, it's amazing to watch unfold in real time.

[Methais]

Nike is making money off of gullible morons by riding a wave of hatred to sell overpriced shoes. They're winning the culture war!

How can one man be so dumb?

I mean just look at him.

Does this look like the face of a smart man, who according to my anonymous source, is cwolff himself?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BCfN7B0ugU

[Tgo01]

I don't believe for a second that if he were kneeling at a different time to protest racial injustice, that people would be any less angry.

Man you really are competing with cwolff for biggest retard on these forums. That's exactly why people are pissed and he explicitly stated he kneels during the anthem because he has no pride for this country.

Straight from the asshole's mouth:


"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game.

[Seizer]

Better watch yourself, I'm a black belt in kung fu, as you can see below:
https://i.gifer.com/3vea.gif
I also have 2 PhD's in kung fu.
Why do you hate midgets? I can clearly see you kicking midgets.

[Methais]

Man you really are competing with cwolff for biggest retard on these forums. That's exactly why people are pissed and he explicitly stated he kneels during the anthem because he has no pride for this country.

Straight from the asshole's mouth:

Kaepernick is oppressing me.

[Tgo01]

Kaepernick is oppressing me.

ROFL oh honey...does the millionaire black man who can't catch a break in the US because he's black scare you because he's expressing his first amendment rights?

[Methais]

ROFL oh honey...does the millionaire black man who can't catch a break in the US because he's black scare you because he's expressing his first amendment rights?

Plot twist: Kaepernick is Rachel Dolezal's younger brother.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Djj1AzANXr7fRCRnW0Nmh0UpWr0=/0x0:4000x2700/1200x675/filters:focal(1680x1030:2320x1670)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/59438149/colinkaepernick2.1524084033.jpg
https://starschanges.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/rachel-dolezal-height-weight-age-0.jpg

[RichardCranium]

Plot twist: Kaepernick is Rachel Dolezal's younger brother.

Adopted brother. His parents are white.

[Parkbandit]

Okay, he did it before the national anthem.

Does it matter?

Both of them kneeled for something they believe in. Last I checked- that was admirable, not a crime against country.

You do realize the entire problem with the kneeling is that it is being done DURING the National Anthem.. right?

If they knelt down prior to the Anthem and then stood for the Anthem, we probably wouldn't even be talking about this now because no one would care.

[Parkbandit]

That being the real cause of the outrage is a dubious claim at best. I don't believe for a second that if he were kneeling at a different time to protest racial injustice, that people would be any less angry.

This was a moment politicized by Trump to help him with his political narrative. And, for the record, I'm no fan of Nike's- I've been boycotting them for a LONG time and will continue to do so. But in this instance- they did the right thing.

But if you look at this situation- it has at least three basic pieces to it:

1) The protest of systemic racial injustice black people (especially men) face at the hands of law enforcement. (Black men account for about 6% of the population and 17% of the people killed by police (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.4d19cbd3bf62). Black people also make up about 39% of the unarmed police shooting victims (https://www.vox.com/cards/police-brutality-shootings-us/us-police-racism))
2) A sitting US President trying to pressure people into attacking a US Citizen for exercising their right to protest
3) A black athlete (and now a sports clothing company) using his position (and rights as an American citizen) to remind people of said racial injustice during the national anthem


And if, out of those three, you're MOST concerned about #3- you need to check your priorities. Because #3 isn't the one that's damaging to society.


Yes, yes.. can you imagine all the outrage... "HE IS KNEELING RIGHT BEFORE THE ANTHEM, BUT THEN STANDING FOR THE ANTHEM.. I'M OUTRAGED!"

You're being stupid just to be stupid at this point. Stop. You already have that title shot. You don't need to waste your worst moves on this silliness.

Act like a champion ffs.

[Parkbandit]

Nike is making money off of gullible morons by riding a wave of hatred to sell overpriced shoes. They're winning the culture war!

How can one man be so dumb?

Hey now.. my prize fighter said that even if Kaepernick was kneeling prior to the National Anthem, everyone would still be upset.

Don't think your champion is any dumber than mine!

[Tgo01]

Hey now.. my prize fighter said that even if Kaepernick was kneeling prior to the National Anthem, everyone would still be upset.

Don't think your champion is any dumber than mine!

I totally thought cwolff had the title belt locked up with little to no challenge. But time4fun really has been making some dumb comments the past few days.

Maybe she'll remember her greatest strength is to say dumb shit then ignore everyone who questions her dumb shit. Her dumbassness really shines when she attempts to defend the dumb things she says.

[Candor]

And, for the record, I'm no fan of Nike's- I've been boycotting them for a LONG time and will continue to do so.

At the risk of being the only regular poster here who doesn't know, why have you been boycotting Nike?


3) A black athlete (and now a sports clothing company) using his position (and rights as an American citizen) to remind people of said racial injustice during the national anthem

He has the right to remind people of racial injustice. But if he does so by kneeling when the national anthem is being played and thus disrespecting the flag and what it stands for, I have the right to be upset about it.

I can assure you there are black men (especially veterans) who don't approve of this practice either.

[Wrathbringer]

At the risk of being the only regular poster here who doesn't know, why have you been boycotting Nike?



He has the right to remind people of racial injustice. But if he does so by kneeling when the national anthem is being played and thus disrespecting the flag and what it stands for, I have the right to be upset about it.

You're retarded.

[Neveragain]

That being the real cause of the outrage is a dubious claim at best. I don't believe for a second that if he were kneeling at a different time to protest racial injustice, that people would be any less angry.

This was a moment politicized by Trump to help him with his political narrative. And, for the record, I'm no fan of Nike's- I've been boycotting them for a LONG time and will continue to do so. But in this instance- they did the right thing.

But if you look at this situation- it has at least three basic pieces to it:

1) The protest of systemic racial injustice black people (especially men) face at the hands of law enforcement. (Black men account for about 6% of the population and 17% of the people killed by police (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.4d19cbd3bf62). Black people also make up about 39% of the unarmed police shooting victims (https://www.vox.com/cards/police-brutality-shootings-us/us-police-racism))
2) A sitting US President trying to pressure people into attacking a US Citizen for exercising their right to protest
3) A black athlete (and now a sports clothing company) using his position (and rights as an American citizen) to remind people of said racial injustice during the national anthem


And if, out of those three, you're MOST concerned about #3- you need to check your priorities. Because #3 isn't the one that's damaging to society.

Nike using their positon to remind people of social injustice is fucking stupid.

Slave labor is pretty damaging to society........................or is it only black slavery that's a social injustice?

P.S. Taxes are slavery.

[Astray]

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/41380346_10156935375031282_4170925973316829184_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&oh=41b6965ee82c542f9f05a35251a97073&oe=5C353183

See you in Hell, Methais.

[time4fun]

At the risk of being the only regular poster here who doesn't know, why have you been boycotting Nike?

Sweatshop labor. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to find clothing that isn't made under terrible conditions (or, more accurately, which you can guarantee aren't), but when there's a spotlight on a particular provider who has been doing terrible things- that's a good opportunity to make your voice heard. They've actually taken some big steps to remedy the situation over the years, but I prefer to send the message that isn't something you can just PR your way through.


He has the right to remind people of racial injustice. But if he does so by kneeling when the national anthem is being played and thus disrespecting the flag and what it stands for, I have the right to be upset about it.

I can assure you there are black men (especially veterans) who don't approve of this practice either.

Actually, some of the most vocal supporters have been veterans. They fought to protect someone's right to protest, and there's nothing more American than protest. And to emphasize my earlier point- a true American should be much more concerned about a US President who is encouraging the punishment of people who use that right. That's a desecration of our constitution.

And the fact that black citizens are 39% of the unarmed deaths by police shootings is much more problematic than someone using their American right to protest during the national anthem.

This country has a long history of outright disdain and even violence when it comes to black people using their right to protest, but it doesn't have a long history of sitting US Presidents attacking private citizens for daring to use that right.

Our flag- and what it stands for- is definitely being attacked right now, but it's not Kaepernick who is attacking it.

[Gelston]

No it isn't Kaepernick attacking it. He is no longer employed by the NFL so he can't.

[Fortybox]

That being the real cause of the outrage is a dubious claim at best. I don't believe for a second that if he were kneeling at a different time to protest racial injustice, that people would be any less angry.

This was a moment politicized by Trump to help him with his political narrative. And, for the record, I'm no fan of Nike's- I've been boycotting them for a LONG time and will continue to do so. But in this instance- they did the right thing.

But if you look at this situation- it has at least three basic pieces to it:

1) The protest of systemic racial injustice black people (especially men) face at the hands of law enforcement. (Black men account for about 6% of the population and 17% of the people killed by police (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.4d19cbd3bf62). Black people also make up about 39% of the unarmed police shooting victims (https://www.vox.com/cards/police-brutality-shootings-us/us-police-racism))
2) A sitting US President trying to pressure people into attacking a US Citizen for exercising their right to protest
3) A black athlete (and now a sports clothing company) using his position (and rights as an American citizen) to remind people of said racial injustice during the national anthem


And if, out of those three, you're MOST concerned about #3- you need to check your priorities. Because #3 isn't the one that's damaging to society.

This is why I don't believe you went to a prestigious school. You just Google up arguments from other sources and vomit it on this forum, which is probably why you focus your trolling on here rather than on message boards you'd actually have an impact on.

You cannot assume a similar proportion in the US population vs. the population killed by police or killed by police while not attacking. Black Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people of other races, especially violent crime. As such, the statistics will disproportionately veer towards the black population. Comparing these statistics to the overall black population of the country is just flat out wrong and manipulative on the part of Dara Lind -- interestingly enough, someone who has been accused of number manipulations by other sources.

Please provide the source where a sitting US President pressured people into attacking a US Citizen for exercising their right to protest.

[Fortybox]

Sweatshop labor. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to find clothing that isn't made under terrible conditions (or, more accurately, which you can guarantee aren't), but when there's a spotlight on a particular provider who has been doing terrible things- that's a good opportunity to make your voice heard. They've actually taken some big steps to remedy the situation over the years, but I prefer to send the message that isn't something you can just PR your way through.



Actually, some of the most vocal supporters have been veterans . They fought to protect someone's right to protest, and there's nothing more American than protest. And to emphasize my earlier point- a true American should be much more concerned about a US President who is encouraging the punishment of people who use that right. That's a desecration of our constitution.

And the fact that black citizens are 39% of the unarmed deaths by police shootings is much more problematic than someone using their American right to protest during the national anthem.

This country has a long history of outright disdain and even violence when it comes to black people using their right to protest, but it doesn't have a long history of sitting US Presidents attacking private citizens for daring to use that right.

Our flag- and what it stands for- is definitely being attacked right now, but it's not Kaepernick who is attacking it.

Please cite the source where the most vocal supporters have been veterans.

[~Rocktar~]

Sweatshop labor.

Fair enough, this may be one of the few (less than 5) times you have answered a question directly. Now that we know you CAN do it, when you DON'T do it, we know it's a will vs skill issue and you are simply avoiding things.


Actually, some of the most vocal supporters have been veterans. They fought to protect someone's right to protest, and there's nothing more American than protest. And to emphasize my earlier point- a true American should be much more concerned about a US President who is encouraging the punishment of people who use that right. That's a desecration of our constitution.

And then you are back to being you. You make statements without proof and then tell Candor and others how they should think with a completely illogical assertion based on your skewed views. You don't get to tell other people what their opinion is or should be, that's not an argument it's a brat wanting to get their own way.


And the fact that black citizens are 39% of the unarmed deaths by police shootings is much more problematic than someone using their American right to protest during the national anthem.

Leaving 61% of police shootings of unarmed people being non-black. Since we know that more white people are killed by cops than black people and a white person has a greater chance of dying in police custody than a black person, one must ask, is this racism or because there is a culture of lawlessness and disrespect for cops in the black community?


This country has a long history of outright disdain and even violence when it comes to black people using their right to protest, but it doesn't have a long history of sitting US Presidents attacking private citizens for daring to use that right.

You need to read some history books. There are lots of times sitting POTUS have attacked individuals and their rights directly or in the case of Obama, using the IRS or other government agencies.


Our flag- and what it stands for- is definitely being attacked right now, but it's not Kaepernick who is attacking it.

Yes he is, as well as Antifa, Leftists, Socialists, the DNC and all the people out there supporting sanctuary cities, unrestricted borders, fighting cops and a whole host of other offenses far too numerous to list.

[Candor]

Sweatshop labor. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to find clothing that isn't made under terrible conditions (or, more accurately, which you can guarantee aren't), but when there's a spotlight on a particular provider who has been doing terrible things- that's a good opportunity to make your voice heard. They've actually taken some big steps to remedy the situation over the years, but I prefer to send the message that isn't something you can just PR your way through.

This is a different topic than what the thread is about so I won't go into it here. But I do appreciate your position on the issue.




Actually, some of the most vocal supporters have been veterans. They fought to protect someone's right to protest, and there's nothing more American than protest. And to emphasize my earlier point- a true American should be much more concerned about a US President who is encouraging the punishment of people who use that right. That's a desecration of our constitution.

And the fact that black citizens are 39% of the unarmed deaths by police shootings is much more problematic than someone using their American right to protest during the national anthem.

This country has a long history of outright disdain and even violence when it comes to black people using their right to protest, but it doesn't have a long history of sitting US Presidents attacking private citizens for daring to use that right.

Our flag- and what it stands for- is definitely being attacked right now, but it's not Kaepernick who is attacking it.

I'll just say that we can agree to disagree that kneeling during the anthem is the right way to protest racial injustice in this country.

[Gelston]

Nike's stock is now higher than what it was when they announced the endorsement. Money over Bitches 100%.

[Methais]

Sweatshop labor. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to find clothing that isn't made under terrible conditions (or, more accurately, which you can guarantee aren't), but when there's a spotlight on a particular provider who has been doing terrible things- that's a good opportunity to make your voice heard. They've actually taken some big steps to remedy the situation over the years, but I prefer to send the message that isn't something you can just PR your way through.

No, it's because you hate black people. Racist.

[Fortybox]

Have they gone after John McEnroe for sexism yet because he (probably) never lost a match due to going off on a judge 30 years ago?

And who the fuck is your avatar? That might be one of the most punchable faces I've ever seen. Like Screech trying to be on Glee or something.

https://media.giphy.com/media/L7i2GzkuS7WKc/giphy.gif

My avatar is TF4.

My signature has Adam Samberg. You haven’t heard of him? Where have you been??!!1 former SNL cast member and very funny.

[RichardCranium]

My avatar is TF4.

My signature has Adam Samberg. You haven’t heard of him? Where have you been??!!1 former SNL cast member and very funny.

*Andy Samberg. One of the greatest rappers alive.

[Methais]

My avatar is TF4.

My signature has Adam Samberg. You haven’t heard of him? Where have you been??!!1 former SNL cast member and very funny.

Yeah, I meant sig.

time4trump is pretty great too though :lol:

[Methais]

I’m going to hell. Straight to hell.

https://i.imgur.com/FuEJgxj.jpg

[Astray]

Shared to facebook.

[Fortybox]

Yeah, I meant sig.

time4trump is pretty great too though :lol:

time4trump is definitely the better version. Nothing "fun" about the other version unless you're into trans-chicks with "resting-b-face".

[Fortybox]

This is a real hero who believed in something, even if it meant sacrificing everything. Kudos to Mike Rowe for bringing this up on this day:

https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/posts/2090919067584892

Screw Nike. I think this did more damage to their brand in the long run. It's not always about revenue or stock price. Perception is a big thing and may affect election outcome.

[cwolff]

Nike’s share prices hit an all-time high 10 days after taking an initial hit following its announcement that former San Francisco 49er Colin Kaepernick would be the face of its latest "Just Do It" ad campaign.

On Thursday, shares for the sportswear brand closed at $83.47 a week after dipping more than 3 percent following the announcement of their endorsement deal with Kaepernick, who was the first NFL player to protest racial inequality and police brutality by taking a knee during the national anthem before games.

Though Bloomberg News noted it will be months before the business impact of the partnership can be fully measured, it pointed out data released from Edison Trends, a digital commerce research company based in Silicon Valley, that showed Nike's growth in sales tracking much higher than last year.

Good news for Nike and Kaepernick.

[RichardCranium]

This is a real hero who believed in something, even if it meant sacrificing everything. Kudos to Mike Rowe for bringing this up on this day:

https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/posts/2090919067584892

Holy shit, that's awesome.

[cwolff]

"Schoolchildren cannot unilaterally refuse to participate in the pledge,” Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/09/28/pledge-allegiance-law-texas-attorney-general-student-expelled/1440878002/) said in a statement this week, noting that Texas is one of 26 states with similar Pledge statutes. "Requiring the pledge to be recited at the start of every school day has the laudable result of fostering respect for our flag and a patriotic love of our country."


Holy shit. How is this legal? Unbelievable to see them shit on the flag and all it stands for while patting themselves on the back for fostering respect and patriotic love of country. Might as well be the USSR down there.

[Androidpk]

This was settled with West Virginia State Board of Education vs Barnette. Students cannot be forced to participate in this. Hope they sue the school into oblivion.

[Gelston]

This was settled with West Virginia State Board of Education vs Barnette. Students cannot be forced to participate in this. Hope they sue the school into oblivion.

Not quite. It and all subsequent cases had a Freedom of Religion component too. It could be argued that this falls under the first case, but it could also be argued that that case was a religious exemption. This case should make it to the Supreme Court, hopefully, to clear that up.

Either way, it is great when you have a Judge like Brett Kavanaugh with who strictly follows the legal principles of Stare Decisis.

[Methais]

Holy shit. How is this legal? Unbelievable to see them shit on the flag and all it stands for while patting themselves on the back for fostering respect and patriotic love of country. Might as well be the USSR down there.

Stop being such a soy drama queen.

[ClydeR]

In his continuing attempt to unite the country and reconcile divisions, Trump hinted in this tweet that the NFL better not start allowing players to kneel during the National Anthem.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ9h_7xWsAsxZBh?format=png&name=small








Here is Goddell's statement..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmSS5lQJ_68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmSS5lQJ_68

[Methais]

In his continuing attempt to unite the country and reconcile divisions, Trump hinted in this tweet that the NFL better not start allowing players to kneel during the National Anthem.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ9h_7xWsAsxZBh?format=png&name=small








Here is Goddell's statement..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmSS5lQJ_68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmSS5lQJ_68

Shut the fuck up Fallen.

Fucking loser. :lol:

[Axhinde]

As a Veteran myself, I never was offended by Kaepernick kneeling during the anthem. I did not see it as disrespecting the US, the flag, or soldiers fighting overseas. His actions, to me, were exactly the types of freedoms being fought for.

[~Rocktar~]

As a Veteran myself, I never was offended by Kaepernick kneeling during the anthem. I did not see it as disrespecting the US, the flag, or soldiers fighting overseas. His actions, to me, were exactly the types of freedoms being fought for.

The issue is, for many of us, two fold. I don't get to protest while I am on the clock at my job and that is what he did. I would bet that while on base, on duty in the military, you didn't get to protest either. Off duty, off work, we can both protest if we want, on our own time. Second, I and many others don't think the protest is about protesting or changing things, I feel that it's about him attention whoring when he was no longer the center of attention since he wasn't winning as many games and the media wasn't fawning all over him like it was before. Lots of people do it, it's just a variation of a theme and it's what Smollett did as well and it's bullshit.

[Gelston]

The issue is, for many of us, two fold. I don't get to protest while I am on the clock at my job and that is what he did. I would bet that while on base, on duty in the military, you didn't get to protest either. Off duty, off work, we can both protest if we want, on our own time. Second, I and many others don't think the protest is about protesting or changing things, I feel that it's about him attention whoring when he was no longer the center of attention since he wasn't winning as many games and the media wasn't fawning all over him like it was before. Lots of people do it, it's just a variation of a theme and it's what Smollett did as well and it's bullshit.

Why does this bother you? Were you Kaepernick's supervisor?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Players kneeling IMO is disrespectful to the flag, but other than me not liking it (nor do I like it when our flag is burned), it doesn't affect me. I don't believe they dislike our country any more or less than I do based on that act.

[Axhinde]

Smollet also committed a crime, Kaep did not. I also think that's quite a leap in logic going from, "He's not winning games." to "If I can't have an opinion at work then nobody should." Even the NFL commissioner put out a statement that he, in fact, was wrong in that situation.

[Gelston]

Smollet also committed a crime, Kaep did not. I also think that's quite a leap in logic going from, "He's not winning games." to "If I can't have an opinion at work then nobody should." Even the NFL commissioner put out a statement that he, in fact, was wrong in that situation.

I hope a team grabs him for a season so everyone can see how garbage he is.

[Axhinde]

I hope a team grabs him for a season so everyone can see how garbage he is.

He had 1 good year. Once teams could game plan against him, he couldn't get it done. He had opportunities, but he wanted way more money than his skills were worth. The thing that got out of hand, I thought, was his insistence on a conspiracy theory even after being invited by the NFL to do a workout, and not showing up.

[Tgo01]

As a Veteran myself, I never was offended by Kaepernick kneeling during the anthem. I did not see it as disrespecting the US, the flag, or soldiers fighting overseas. His actions, to me, were exactly the types of freedoms being fought for.

He has specifically said he has issues with the flag itself and even strong armed Nike into not releasing a shoe featuring the flag because he hates the flag so much.

Sure it's his right to protest and all, but you can be exercising your rights and still be disrespectful.

My main issue was is "protest" seemed to start and end with the national anthem. He did hardly any "protesting" in his free time until he snagged that lucrative deal with Nike and forced them to not release an American flag shoe.

His issue was always about the flag and the national anthem because it's pretty obvious he hates this country that has treated him so well.

It's a good thing I never cared much for football to begin with so it was pretty easy for me to say I won't watch football again after the commissioner recently came out and actually apologized for standing up for the flag and national anthem.

[Axhinde]

He has specifically said he has issues with the flag itself and even strong armed Nike into not releasing a shoe featuring the flag because he hates the flag so much.

Sure it's his right to protest and all, but you can be exercising your rights and still be disrespectful.

My main issue was is "protest" seemed to start and end with the national anthem. He did hardly any "protesting" in his free time until he snagged that lucrative deal with Nike and forced them to not release an American flag shoe.

His issue was always about the flag and the national anthem because it's pretty obvious he hates this country that has treated him so well.

It's a good thing I never cared much for football to begin with so it was pretty easy for me to say I won't watch football again after the commissioner recently came out and actually apologized for standing up for the flag and national anthem.

Those are all valid points. My argument wasn't so much defending his actions. Simply a statement on my opinion of them. He can hate the flag and this country all he wants, it doesn't change my opinion on it.

[Tgo01]

Those are all valid points. My argument wasn't so much defending his actions. Simply a statement on my opinion of them. He can hate the flag and this country all he wants, it doesn't change my opinion on it.

That's the beauty of this country; he can hate the flag and this country all he wants, that's his right. It's also the right of others to not want to watch football because they don't like the now openly endorsed disrespect of this country and the flag.

I wonder if the media will recognize this and report truthfully on both sides of the issue, or will they castigate the latter group as racists who don't care about black lives.

[Axhinde]

That's the beauty of this country; he can hate the flag and this country all he wants, that's his right. It's also the right of others to not want to watch football because they don't like the now openly endorsed disrespect of this country and the flag.

I wonder if the media will recognize this and report truthfully on both sides of the issue, or will they castigate the latter group as racists who don't care about black lives.

My parents are among those that refuse to watch the NFL now for that very reason. I agree with you that is part of the beauty of this country. I am grateful I live here, because some people aren't so lucky.

I'm going to guess the media is going to continue doing what the media does best...sensationalize, and sell advertising.

[Parkbandit]

Smollet also committed a crime, Kaep did not. I also think that's quite a leap in logic going from, "He's not winning games." to "If I can't have an opinion at work then nobody should." Even the NFL commissioner put out a statement that he, in fact, was wrong in that situation.

To be fair, the commissioner would say or do anything to save his job.

I love the NFL and have been in a fantasy league since 1989.. and if they start doing the same type of bullshit they did 2 years ago, I'll be cancelling my NFL Sunday Ticket as well as my NFL Game Pass subscription.

If you want to protest, do it on your own time.

[Parkbandit]

He had 1 good year. Once teams could game plan against him, he couldn't get it done. He had opportunities, but he wanted way more money than his skills were worth. The thing that got out of hand, I thought, was his insistence on a conspiracy theory even after being invited by the NFL to do a workout, and not showing up.

He was lazy.. nothing more.

Didn't want to spend the time in the film room like all great QBs do.

[Parkbandit]

I wonder if the media will recognize this and report truthfully on both sides of the issue, or will they castigate the latter group as racists who don't care about black lives.

When has the media ever report truthfully on both sides of any issue?

[~Rocktar~]

Why does this bother you? Were you Kaepernick's supervisor?

Because he is an ungrateful, entitled prick with all the breaks that life could give him and he is still a whiny brat that is spreading racism and hate while shitting on the country that made it possible for him to have everything.


Smollet also committed a crime, Kaep did not. I also think that's quite a leap in logic going from, "He's not winning games." to "If I can't have an opinion at work then nobody should." Even the NFL commissioner put out a statement that he, in fact, was wrong in that situation.

You are pants on head retarded. Being an attention whoring prick takes a lot of forms, criminal and not. The behavior makes no distinction between the tools used or the stage it's performed on. Goodall is a patronizing cunt and is trying to placate a bunch of spoiled brats to try and save the NFL since it's lost tons in revenue from this selfish brat's media stunt.

[Gelston]

Because he is an ungrateful, entitled prick with all the breaks that life could give him and he is still a whiny brat that is spreading racism and hate while shitting on the country that made it possible for him to have everything.



You are pants on head retarded. Being an attention whoring prick takes a lot of forms, criminal and not. The behavior makes no distinction between the tools used or the stage it's performed on. Goodall is a patronizing cunt and is trying to placate a bunch of spoiled brats to try and save the NFL since it's lost tons in revenue from this selfish brat's media stunt.

So, basically, you’re envious.

[Axhinde]

Because he is an ungrateful, entitled prick with all the breaks that life could give him and he is still a whiny brat that is spreading racism and hate while shitting on the country that made it possible for him to have everything.



You are pants on head retarded. Being an attention whoring prick takes a lot of forms, criminal and not. The behavior makes no distinction between the tools used or the stage it's performed on. Goodall is a patronizing cunt and is trying to placate a bunch of spoiled brats to try and save the NFL since it's lost tons in revenue from this selfish brat's media stunt.

:lol: If you say so. I forget that some people know everything.

[~Rocktar~]

So, basically, you’re envious.

Nah, somewhat disappointed and mostly disgusted. Gratitude is a thing and I was raised to value the chances you get and not shit on those that gave you a chance.

[Methais]

The issue is, for many of us, two fold. I don't get to protest while I am on the clock at my job and that is what he did. I would bet that while on base, on duty in the military, you didn't get to protest either. Off duty, off work, we can both protest if we want, on our own time. Second, I and many others don't think the protest is about protesting or changing things, I feel that it's about him attention whoring when he was no longer the center of attention since he wasn't winning as many games and the media wasn't fawning all over him like it was before. Lots of people do it, it's just a variation of a theme and it's what Smollett did as well and it's bullshit.

Go work somewhere that allows it then.

[~Rocktar~]

Go work somewhere that allows it then.

Most companies of any significant size don't allow such things while on the clock.

As to working elsewhere, I am in the slow process and I have a plan.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I make too much money on the corporate dollar to work somewhere else.

I just keep my mouth shut about all the SJW bullshit going on, and collect my paycheck.

[Gelston]

I typically just don't give a fuck about what other people do at a company I don't even work at.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I typically just don't give a fuck about what other people do at a company I don't even work at.

Yeah, there's that as well.

[Tgo01]

Let the expensive virtue signaling begin!!!

Pete Carroll Says There’s An NFL Team ‘Interested’ In Signing Colin Kaepernick (https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/11/pete-carroll-colin-kaepernick-interested/)

Wasn't Kaepernick like a subpar quarterback anyways? Think they'll actually run him on first string just for the woke points? Maybe the opposing team will let him win just to prove how woke they are.

[~Rocktar~]

Let the expensive virtue signaling begin!!!

Pete Carroll Says There’s An NFL Team ‘Interested’ In Signing Colin Kaepernick (https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/11/pete-carroll-colin-kaepernick-interested/)

Wasn't Kaepernick like a subpar quarterback anyways? Think they'll actually run him on first string just for the woke points? Maybe the opposing team will let him win just to prove how woke they are.

Maybe someone will sack his ass so hard that he will take his whiny ass home and shut up.

[Ashlander]

Maybe someone will sack his ass so hard that he will take his whiny ass home and shut up.

Nah man that'd be racist. Besides it'd be hard to sack him on the bench.

[~Rocktar~]

Nah man that'd be racist. Besides it'd be hard to sack him on the bench.

A black linebacker sacking him would be racist? OK. The bench does increase the difficulty, that is true.

[Methais]

Let the expensive virtue signaling begin!!!

Pete Carroll Says There’s An NFL Team ‘Interested’ In Signing Colin Kaepernick (https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/11/pete-carroll-colin-kaepernick-interested/)

Wasn't Kaepernick like a subpar quarterback anyways? Think they'll actually run him on first string just for the woke points? Maybe the opposing team will let him win just to prove how woke they are.

I hope this happens so everyone can see what a shitty QB he is.

[Bhaalizmo]

I hope this happens so everyone can see what a shitty QB he is.

I hope it happens just cause it seems like a dumb reason for him to have been let go.

[Furryrat]

I hope this happens so everyone can see what a shitty QB he is.

He was terrible. Once the 49ers lost the rushing attack of Frank Gore after 2014 season, he was exposed, unable to carry a game, and brutalized.

[Methais]

I hope it happens just cause it seems like a dumb reason for him to have been let go.

Yes being a shitty QB is a terrible reason to be let go.

[Parkbandit]

He was terrible. Once the 49ers lost the rushing attack of Frank Gore after 2014 season, he was exposed, unable to carry a game, and brutalized.

You can't blame a lack of rushing attack..

Being a physical beast will only get you so far in the NFL. He had all the tools.. he just lacked the discipline.

[Furryrat]

You can't blame a lack of rushing attack..

Being a physical beast will only get you so far in the NFL. He had all the tools.. he just lacked the discipline.

If you don't have a reliable run game, opposing defenses can blitz more often, or drop more back into coverage, either of which force a subpar QB into making mistakes.

[Furryrat]

So the run game carried him, is my point. He was only able to put up the numbers he did when opposing defenses had to stack the box to defend the run.

[Wrathbringer]

Yes being a shitty QB is a terrible reason to be let go.

Yeah, he was riding the pine before he started kneeling.

[Parkbandit]

If you don't have a reliable run game, opposing defenses can blitz more often, or drop more back into coverage, either of which force a subpar QB into making mistakes.

In 2015 (the year 49ers didn't have Gore) there were 11 teams that rushed for fewer yards than the 49ers.

ALL of those 11 teams still had more passing yards than SF.

The problem with Kaepernick was that he didn't have the drive or discipline to study film or spend time in the classroom... and once teams studied film on him and his tendencies.. he was easily countered.

He wasn't a subpar QB.. he was just a subpar student of the game that didn't put in the time to study the game.

[Gelston]

I think the extra baggage the kneeling controversy gave him led him to not being signed as a backup on other teams. He wasn't going to start for anyone.

[beldannon5]

Kap wanted to be a starter. In fact at one point I think he said that's all he would do. Also didn't the NFL settle with him a few years ago for a lot of money?

[Gelston]

Kap wanted to be a starter. In fact at one point I think he said that's all he would do. Also didn't the NFL settle with him a few years ago for a lot of money?

They settled for under 10m to stop his lawsuit. It doesn't bar him from ever playing again though.

[Parkbandit]

They settled for under 10m to stop his lawsuit. It doesn't bar him from ever playing again though.

What owner would want that type of cancer on their team though?

His cons definitely outweigh his pros. He's what.. 4 years removed from playing at that level?

He wouldn't sign for cheap like he's worth either..