You still like Trump?

[Geijon Khyree]

Cringe worthy start from this guy and his teams. I was a no before he got elected. How about you folks? Yes or no.

[BigWorm]

In before...

He's a business man
what about her emails?
He won get over it
snowflake
Your tears are delicious
lamestream media
soros paid protestors

[Geijon Khyree]

Lol

[Geijon Khyree]

Target and major corporations are slashing costs and overhead. Are they concerned? Is this the turtling of America to wait and see? Apple, Google, IBM and big tech are contributing funds to the labor groups to fight his immigration ban.

Where is this 3% growth and all these jobs expected to come from? The 45 full time and 15 part time employees that the XL pipeline creates them these 27000 jobs that are peripheral to oil and metal at 45,000 anually. I'm not buying it.

His vocabulary is about at a 5th grade level. He says great, excellent and good in just about every press statement about 6 times and every 10th word.

[Soulance]

I think they are both pieces of garbage, but Hillary is worse garbage.

I didn't vote for any of them though so I can't say much. I do see a lot of things coming out over the next few years though as to how the whole political system has been so corrupt. You'll see taxes upon taxes and redundancies that aren't necessary. Who knows what's burried out there.

Trump is an ecological moron and I hate him for his views on the planet. The XL pipeline thing is a DISASTER amd we will find out why soon enough.

I'm hoping for a huge Clorox Bleaching of many departments and the Political system after this.

[BigWorm]

Sorry, the Hillary card has already been played. The election is over, he won, get over it.

[time4fun]

I think they are both pieces of garbage, but Hillary is worse garbage.

I didn't vote for any of them though so I can't say much. I do see a lot of things coming out over the next few years though as to how the whole political system has been so corrupt. You'll see taxes upon taxes and redundancies that aren't necessary. Who knows what's burried out there.

Trump is an ecological moron and I hate him for his views on the planet. The XL pipeline thing is a DISASTER amd we will find out why soon enough.

I'm hoping for a huge Clorox Bleaching of many departments and the Political system after this.

He put a religious-based ban on people entering the country on Holocaust Remembrance Day.

How can you possibly say she would have been worse? I feel genuinely sick inside right now over what's going on.

[Ardwen]

Hey he didn't ban from any country that has ever had a citizen actually attack the US, of course every one of those countries has current or future Trump businesses in it, amazing coincidence.

[chalion]

If I was stupidly rich I would put up those billboards of George W. Bush again with the "Miss me yet?" slogan on them. I think they are apt again.

[drauz]

He put a religious-based ban on people entering the country on Holocaust Remembrance Day.

How can you possibly say she would have been worse? I feel genuinely sick inside right now over what's going on.

She would have taken in them without proper vetting, how has that worked out for Europe?

Could the timing have been better, sure. I am for it though.

[BigWorm]

If I was stupidly rich I would put up those billboards of George W. Bush again with the "Miss me yet?" slogan on them. I think they are apt again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whde50AacZs&feature=youtu.be&t=6m55s

[BigWorm]

She would have taken in them without proper vetting, how has that worked out for Europe?

It's pretty hard for Syrians to cross the ocean to America on a homemade boat so it is much easier for the US to control which ones enter.

How has the US vetting worked out for the 15,000 Syrian refugees who came here last year? I haven't heard of any of them committing terrorist attacks.

[drauz]

It's pretty hard for Syrians to cross the ocean to America on a homemade boat so it is much easier for the US to control which ones enter.

How has the US vetting worked out for the 15,000 Syrian refugees who came here last year? I haven't heard of any of them committing terrorist attacks.

She also wanted to take in 65,000.

[MesaPaen]

I don't know how anyone, regardless of political affiliation, can think this "executive order" is the answer. Detaining an Iraqi refugee who worked as a translator for the US military for years, and then claiming it's the "weekend in Washington", is simply ridiculous. The man risked his life for this country, and in response, after two years of vetting, he's kept in airport jail? Where are the Republicans, with sense, in Washington? How can they not see that due to this order, men and women will only become reticent to join with us in the fight against ISIS?

And the man himself, so graciously complimenting this country upon his release ...

Seriously, WTF?

[BigWorm]

She also wanted to take in 65,000.

Cool story bro but she lost and he won so it doesn't really matter what she said.

Trump is up for accepting zero refugees. We were able to accept 15,000 Syrians last year without incident, so I suspect that an administration that made proper vetting a priority would be able to safely allow more than zero refugees into the country per year. A blanket ban makes zero sense and harms American interests.

We were able to accept about 70,000 Bosnians in St. Louis and our city is better off for it. Knoxville seems better off for accepting this Syrian refugee (http://wate.com/2015/11/22/syrian-refugee-talks-about-life-in-east-tennessee/).

[drauz]

I don't know how anyone, regardless of political affiliation, can think this "executive order" is the answer. Detaining an Iraqi refugee who worked as a translator for the US military for years, and then claiming it's the "weekend in Washington", is simply ridiculous. The man risked his life for this country, and in response, after two years of vetting, he's kept in airport jail? Where are the Republicans, with sense, in Washington? How can they not see that due to this order, men and women will only become reticent to join with us in the fight against ISIS?

And the man himself, so graciously complimenting this country upon his release ...

Seriously, WTF?

Its anecdotal, you are trying to paint all the refugees as having been American patriots. The ban for Iraqis is 90 days I think. It is Syrian refugees that have the indefinite ban.

[Wrathbringer]

He put a religious-based ban on people entering the country on Holocaust Remembrance Day.

How can you possibly say she would have been worse? I feel genuinely sick inside right now over what's going on.

Lol /clowns

[drauz]

Cool story bro but she lost and he won so it doesn't really matter what she said.

Trump is up for accepting zero refugees. We were able to accept 15,000 Syrians last year without incident, so I suspect that an administration that made proper vetting a priority would be able to safely allow more than zero refugees into the country per year. A blanket ban makes zero sense and harms American interests.

We were able to accept about 70,000 Bosnians in St. Louis and our city is better off for it. Knoxville seems better off for accepting this Syrian refugee (http://wate.com/2015/11/22/syrian-refugee-talks-about-life-in-east-tennessee/).

Blah blah blah.

You realize you are replying to a conversation regarding "How could she be worse", right? How can you not bring her up in that context? Follow the discussion or don't bother responding.

[BigWorm]

Its anecdotal, you are trying to paint all the refugees as having been American patriots. The ban for Iraqis is 90 days I think. It is Syrian refugees that have the indefinite ban.

Trump is the one painting refugees and immigrants in broad strokes by banning them and refusing to vet them.

[drauz]

Trump is the one painting refugees and immigrants in broad strokes by banning them and refusing to vet them.

https://media.giphy.com/media/10pLqsmIawMAhi/giphy.gif

[MesaPaen]

Its anecdotal, you are trying to paint all the refugees as having been American patriots. The ban for Iraqis is 90 days I think. It is Syrian refugees that have the indefinite ban.

No, I'm not at all attempting to paint all the refugees with a blanket statement, much less as having them all be considered American patriots.

I'm saying that a ban on ALL REFUGEES from these particular handpicked countries is a stupid, shortsighted and poorly planned thing to do.

But I guess that's what we're doing now, isn't it? Act impetuously first, attempt to fix the shitshow after?

[Methais]

In before...

He's a business man
what about her emails?
He won get over it
snowflake
Your tears are delicious

Trump is a business man.
And what about Hillary's emails?
Either way he won get over it.
Snowflake.
Your tears are delicious.

EDIT: Oh shit foiled again!

[BigWorm]

Blah blah blah.

You realize you are replying to a conversation regarding "How could she be worse", right? How can you not bring her up in that context? Follow the discussion or don't bother responding.

I don't give a fuck about Hillary. I'm talking about the policies imposed by the current president of the United States. "She would have been worse" means absolutely nothing and has zero relevance to the debate over this policy. Would you pay attention to me if I tried to defend an Obama policy by saying Romney would have been worse? Of course not because it doesn't fucking matter.

The election is over. Move on and get over it. Now Trump has to govern and explain all these shit policies he is attempting to implement through executive action. You are willing to defend anything he does just so you can feel like you are on the winning side. It's pathetic.

[Vorpos]

I don't give a fuck about Hillary. I'm talking about the policies imposed by the current president of the United States. "She would have been worse" means absolutely nothing and has zero relevance to the debate over this policy. Would you pay attention to me if I tried to defend an Obama policy by saying Romney would have been worse? Of course not because it doesn't fucking matter.

The election is over. Move on and get over it. Now Trump has to govern and explain all these shit policies he is attempting to implement through executive action. You are willing to defend anything he does just so you can feel like you are on the winning side. It's pathetic.

Trump doesn't have to explain shit. He won.

[BigWorm]

Trump is a business man.
And what about Hillary's emails?
Either way he won get over it.
Snowflake.
Your tears are delicious.

EDIT: Oh shit foiled again!

You forgot to call someone an SJW and say safe space or triggered to complete the combo. Sad!. Can you go back to posting goatse memes? They are much more intelligent than the ones where you type words.

[drauz]

I don't give a fuck about Hillary. I'm talking about the policies imposed by the current president of the United States. "She would have been worse" means absolutely nothing and has zero relevance to the debate over this policy. Would you pay attention to me if I tried to defend an Obama policy by saying Romney would have been worse? Of course not because it doesn't fucking matter.

The election is over. Move on and get over it. Now Trump has to govern and explain all these shit policies he is attempting to implement through executive action. You are willing to defend anything he does just so you can feel like you are on the winning side. It's pathetic.


How can you possibly say she would have been worse?

If I asked the question then yes I would pay attention.... She asked, I answered. You commented on it, and I responded again.

Keep up with the conversation, seriously.

[BigWorm]

Trump doesn't have to explain shit. He won.

Well he'll actually have to do a lot of explaining in court with all the legal challenges these executive orders will trigger but I guess he's pretty used to getting sued by now.

[Androidpk]

How can you possibly say she would have been worse?

Her history speaks for itself. That you can possibly think she'd be a better candidate is really sad.

[drauz]

No, I'm not at all attempting to paint all the refugees with a blanket statement, much less as having them all be considered American patriots.

I'm saying that a ban on ALL REFUGEES from these particular handpicked countries is a stupid, shortsighted and poorly planned thing to do.

But I guess that's what we're doing now, isn't it? Act impetuously first, attempt to fix the shitshow after?

Sure seemed like it, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since I've never seen you post.

Temporary bans on all but Syria. I'll definitely give you it was poorly planned given the day it was announced.

[BigWorm]

If I asked the question then yes I would pay attention.... She asked, I answered. You commented on it, and I responded again.

Keep up with the conversation, seriously.

You know, you almost have a point. He is actually probably trying to implement the worst policy on Syrian refugees of any candidate. Even Gary Johnson was willing to accept Syrian refugees after proper vetting and he doesn't even know what an Aleppo is.

[drauz]

You know, you almost have a point. He is actually probably trying to implement the worst policy on Syrian refugees of any candidate. Even Gary Johnson was willing to accept Syrian refugees after proper vetting and he doesn't even know what an Aleppo is.

That's your opinion and you are welcome to it, I don't share your view of it.

Everyone makes mistakes, even Gary Johnson.

[Vorpos]

Well he'll actually have to do a lot of explaining in court with all the legal challenges these executive orders will trigger but I guess he's pretty used to getting sued by now.

I don't recall any legal challenges when Obama banned Iraqi's for six months in 2011. It doesn't matter though, every time someone tries to bring down Trump he comes back stronger. It should be fun to watch.

[Geijon Khyree]

Sure seemed like it, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since I've never seen you post.

Temporary bans on all but Syria. I'll definitely give you it was poorly planned given the day it was announced.

Closest thing to regret or withdrawal of support we'll get I suppose.

[Allereli]

It should be fun to watch.

about as fun as watching him mock a disabled reporter.

[Geijon Khyree]

I don't recall any legal challenges when Obama banned Iraqi's for six months in 2011. It doesn't matter though, every time someone tries to bring down Trump he comes back stronger. It should be fun to watch.

So are explosions. Do you want to see America combust? If its burninate America I could probably understand the viewpoint but a lot of Trump supporters love America and his executive orders are unheard of governance ideas for most of us who arent from 1940.

[Vorpos]

about as fun as watching him mock a disabled reporter.

Yup.

[Vorpos]

So are explosions. Do you want to see America combust? If its burninate America I could probably understand the viewpoint but a lot of Trump supporters love America and his executive orders are unheard of governance ideas for most of us who arent from 1940.

If you have a problem with it go stop it.

[drauz]

Closest thing to regret or withdrawal of support we'll get I suppose.

Look thru the last few weeks of the political make me smile folder and tell me I'm a Trump supporter...

I agree with a policy and now I have to support everything he does? That's not how this works, that's not how this works at all. I agree it could have been done better, but I'm not sad it's done.

[BigWorm]

I don't recall any legal challenges when Obama banned Iraqi's for six months in 2011. It doesn't matter though, every time someone tries to bring down Trump he comes back stronger. It should be fun to watch.

Oh yes, I remember him making this a top priority in his platform while running in 2012. It was probably how he deflected all the criticism for being a secret muslim. I also remember you supporting him for implementing this policy at the time because you thought it was a good idea.

[Methais]

You forgot to call someone an SJW and say safe space or triggered to complete the combo. Sad!. Can you go back to posting goatse memes? They are much more intelligent than the ones where you type words.

I was waiting for you to call me a racist fascist bigot sexist misogynist xenophobe homophobe islamophobe transphobe something something first. Be patient for fuck's sake.

I do understand how one's patience can eventually wear thin though. Take yourself for example. There might still be at least one person on here who thought that after 14 years you would have contributed something that wasn't a complete waste of bandwidth other than a picture of a hot chick in a rainbow thong, and still haven't given up hope that you might one day come through for them.

[BigWorm]

At least I have my avatar. What have you done with your life other than fail and cry about it on the PC?

[Methais]

about as fun as watching him mock a disabled reporter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8JqT2atxD8

I'm curious what's different about the way he mocked any of these people, disabled or not. I would think if he was mocking the disabled reporter'a actual disability, he wouldn't be making the same gestures when mocking those without disabilities.

Perhaps someone will be kind enough to explain, preferably using facts instead of opinions and emotions.

[Methais]

At least I have my avatar. What have you done with your life other than fail and cry about it on the PC?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2zo1RXXUAEGdIU.jpg

You should probably not be making your avatar your waifu btw. Just some friendly advice. :)

[Wrathbringer]

Methais, did you get my shart rep?

[Methais]

Methais, did you get my shart rep?

YES AND IT WAS 100% ACCURATE

[BigWorm]

You should probably not be making your avatar your waifu btw. Just some friendly advice. :)

Sorry I don't live in my mom's basement so I'm not sure what waifu means but it sounds like you have had relationship troubles in the past which might explain some of your issues.

[Methais]

Sorry I don't live in my mom's basement so I'm not sure what waifu means but it sounds like you have had relationship troubles in the past which might explain some of your issues.

She finally kicked you out? Bummer man. Bummer.

[BigWorm]

How many hot dogs you sell this week?

[Candor]

I didn't vote for Trump (or Clinton, for that matter). I had the opinion that most of the original Republican candidates would have been a better choice for President. That opinion has not changed.

[Latrinsorm]

She would have taken in them without proper vetting, how has that worked out for Europe? Could the timing have been better, sure. I am for it though.The question is how did it work out for us (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89vian_Conference) the last time we went down this path.

The answer is that children were murdered because we did not act then.

And children will be murdered because we have not acted now.

.

These are facts. Not Methais' much maligned emotions and opinions. We had a chance to take in refugees but refused because of their religion, in incontrovertible violation of our supposed founding principles.

Twice.

I really hope we never have a third opportunity to make up for it. Because we probably won't then either.

.

As a moderate American I apologize to the Muslims, and the Jews, and whatever minority we're told is really super scary next time around.

[Tgo01]

In before...

He's a business man
what about her emails?
He won get over it
snowflake
Your tears are delicious

Come up with some new material for why you hate the man and maybe you'll hear some new responses as to why your "reasons" are stupid. But honestly, the whole he's a racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe who couldn't run a business without filing for bankruptcy is getting a tad old.


The 45 full time and 15 part time employees that the XL pipeline creates them these 27000 jobs that are peripheral to oil and metal at 45,000 anually. I'm not buying it.

Of course the vast majority of the jobs being created by the XL pipeline are "temporary", that's the nature of construction. If you hire a crew of 20 people to build your house do you then continue to employ them as full time workers to maintain your house?

[BigWorm]

Come up with some new material for why you hate the man and maybe you'll hear some new responses as to why your "reasons" are stupid. But honestly, the whole he's a racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe who couldn't run a business without filing for bankruptcy is getting a tad old.

Only people in this thread to use those terms so far are Trump supporting cry babies.

The refugee policy is garbage. How is that for new material?

[Tgo01]

The refugee policy is garbage. How is that for new material?

Why is it garbage? Try to explain your position without using the words or implying Trump is a racist, bigot, Islamophobe.

[BigWorm]

Why is it garbage? Try to explain your position without using the words or implying Trump is a racist, bigot, Islamophobe.


Trump is up for accepting zero refugees. We were able to accept 15,000 Syrians last year without incident, so I suspect that an administration that made proper vetting a priority would be able to safely allow more than zero refugees into the country per year. A blanket ban makes zero sense and harms American interests.

We were able to accept about 70,000 Bosnians in St. Louis and our city is better off for it. Knoxville seems better off for accepting this Syrian refugee (http://wate.com/2015/11/22/syrian-refugee-talks-about-life-in-east-tennessee/).

Or do you think that entirely stopping the US refugee acceptance program serves long term American interests?

[Parkbandit]

Cringe worthy start from this guy and his teams. I was a no before he got elected. How about you folks? Yes or no.

I could not be happier at his first week in office.

Look at how people like you are reacting! It's amazing how fucking salty liberals are.

Best election result ever.

[Tgo01]

Or do you think that entirely stopping the US refugee acceptance program serves long term American interests?

Oh my mistake, I forgot to include "Don't buy into media hysteria that totally and completely blows his actions way out of proportion."

Trump entirely stopped the US refugee program? Why do you mention Bosnians? They weren't even in the list of countries to temporarily cease accepting refeugees from. Try again, but this time without the hysterical hyperbole.

[BigWorm]

Oh my mistake, I forgot to include "Don't buy into media hysteria that totally and completely blows his actions way out of proportion."

Trump entirely stopped the US refugee program? Why do you mention Bosnians? They weren't even in the list of countries to temporarily cease accepting refeugees from. Try again, but this time without the hysterical hyperbole.

The executive order puts a complete stop to the US Refugee acceptance program for at least 120 days with no defined criteria to restart it. I'm not being hyperbolic at all. This is the text of that section:



Sec. 5. Realignment of the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for Fiscal Year 2017. (a) The Secretary of State shall suspend the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) for 120 days. During the 120-day period, the Secretary of State, in conjunction with the Secretary of Homeland Security and in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, shall review the USRAP application and adjudication process to determine what additional procedures should be taken to ensure that those approved for refugee admission do not pose a threat to the security and welfare of the United States, and shall implement such additional procedures. Refugee applicants who are already in the USRAP process may be admitted upon the initiation and completion of these revised procedures. Upon the date that is 120 days after the date of this order, the Secretary of State shall resume USRAP admissions only for nationals of countries for which the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the Director of National Intelligence have jointly determined that such additional procedures are adequate to ensure the security and welfare of the United States.

[Vorpos]

The executive order puts a complete stop to the US Refugee acceptance program for at least 120 days with no defined criteria to restart it. I'm not being hyperbolic at all. This is the text of that section:

No need to get your panties in a bunch. Trudeau said Canada will take in all refugees. We can move onto more important things now.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trudeau-canada-refugees-banned-u-s/

[Tgo01]

with no defined criteria to restart it.

It says right there in the part you yourself quoted:


Upon the date that is 120 days after the date of this order, the Secretary of State shall resume USRAP admissions only for nationals of countries for which the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the Director of National Intelligence have jointly determined that such additional procedures are adequate to ensure the security and welfare of the United States.

[Tgo01]

Or do you think that entirely stopping the US refugee acceptance program serves long term American interests?

It's also interesting how I asked you to explain why his refugee plan was garbage without saying or implying Trump was an Islamophobe so what's the one example you go to? Bosnians, a country where the majority practice Islam and most of the refugees who settled in St. Louis from Bosnia are indeed Muslim.

But I'm sure that was just a coincidence, right?

[SHAFT]

Trump is doing exactly what he said he'd do. If you voted for him please don't be shocked. I didn't vote for him but, I do give him credit for being swift on acting what he said he'd do in his campaign.

[Ardwen]

I still am waiting for an explanation on how not banning people from the countries that have had EVERY single terrorist attacker in the US an banning people form places that have not done a damned thing here helps our security? I mean I know the reason of course, but I'd love hear his supporters reasons.

[BigWorm]

It's also interesting how I asked you to explain why his refugee plan was garbage without saying or implying Trump was an Islamophobe so what's the one example you go to? Bosnians, a country where the majority practice Islam and most of the refugees who settled in St. Louis from Bosnia are indeed Muslim.

But I'm sure that was just a coincidence, right?

Because I live in St. Louis and that is by far the biggest refugee population here? Weird coincidence. Also why does mentioning the existence of previously resettled Muslim immigrants trigger your Islamophobe sensor? Just a coincidence, right?

[Geijon Khyree]

I could not be happier at his first week in office.

Look at how people like you are reacting! It's amazing how fucking salty liberals are.

Best election result ever.

Go back under your bridge.

[time4fun]

Update-. Emergency stay has been granted by a Federal Judge for this monstrous EO.

[Tgo01]

Also why does mentioning the existence of previously resettled Muslim immigrants trigger your Islamophobe sensor?

Well it is kind of strange how people have been arguing that Trump is doing this because he hates Muslims then you point towards a group of mostly Muslim refugees and say "They are good people." Almost as if trying to say Trump is only doing this because of Muslims and we have had success with Muslim refugees in the past.

[rolfard]

8343

[BigWorm]

Jesus christ you are projecting. Sorry if I hurt your feelings by mentioning a large refugee population in the city that I live in. Are we only allowed to discuss non-muslim refugees?

[Tgo01]

Jesus christ you are projecting. Sorry if I hurt your feelings by mentioning a large refugee population in the city that I live in. Are we only allowed to discuss non-muslim refugees?

You can discuss whatever you want, just don't be surprised if someone says shit like "he won", "snowflake", "your tears are delicious", when people call you out for repeating the same bullshit we have been hearing for months now.

Years really. Back in 2008 we heard the barrage of "Obama's victory has really brought out the racists and the bigots!" And now we're hearing "Trump's victory has really brought out the racists and the bigots!"

Yeah. Just doesn't work anymore. Try coming up with actual arguments.

[Vorpos]

Jesus christ you are projecting. Sorry if I hurt your feelings by mentioning a large refugee population in the city that I live in. Are we only allowed to discuss non-muslim refugees?

We can discuss other refugees. Let's discuss the end of the wet foot, dry foot policy.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cuba-immigration-idUSKBN14W2ZO

[Geijon Khyree]

Clearly folks do not regret voting and electing Trump so far. I wonder what it will take.

[time4fun]

Clearly folks do not regret voting and electing Trump so far. I wonder what it will take.

Polls suggest they do. His approval rating is terrible.

[time4fun]

We can discuss other refugees. Let's discuss the end of the wet foot, dry foot policy.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cuba-immigration-idUSKBN14W2ZO

Why don't we discuss the fact that in his first two weeks as President, Trump has already been slapped by the Courts for ILLEGALLY detaining people.

Wake the hell up. This is scary.

[Vorpos]

Why don't we discuss the fact that in his first two weeks as President, Trump has already been slapped by the Courts for ILLEGALLY detaining people.

Wake the hell up. This is scary.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FidD5XOuwsY

[Tgo01]

Clearly folks do not regret voting and electing Trump so far. I wonder what it will take.

It will take a hell of a lot more than him implementing stricter screening for refugees. Perhaps you're not aware of all of the shit some refugees have been doing in Europe lately?

I don't agree with the executive order targeting legal residents who happened to be out of the country at the time and are now being denied entry back into the country. Not sure if that was an oversight or not but I'm sure the courts will quickly strike down at least that part of Trump's executive order.

[Ardwen]

it takes up to 2 years to gain refugee status in the US, they can't just cross a river and enter here. The situation is totally different and you know it. And again not one person from any of the targetted countries has ever done a thing on US soil, the countries he didn't ban not so much

[barbarous]

Cringe worthy start from this guy and his teams. I was a no before he got elected. How about you folks? Yes or no.

TPP is dead. That's what I voted on. Now it's just about farming tears and calling everything and everyone racists. I'm having a ball calling everyone woman and #peopleofcolor racist and watching them shit bricks. The tears and rage. God damn I wish I could grab their heads and lick the tears off of their faces then send them to Yemen or an African country to help increase diversity.

[Vorpos]

it takes up to 2 years to gain refugee status in the US, they can't just cross a river and enter here. The situation is totally different and you know it. And again not one person from any of the targetted countries has ever done a thing on US soil, the countries he didn't ban not so much

What did the Cuban refugees do to deserve to get shit on by Obama? Was it payback for swinging Florida for Trump?

[Latrinsorm]

It will take a hell of a lot more than him implementing stricter screening for refugees. Perhaps you're not aware of all of the shit some refugees have been doing in Europe lately?

I don't agree with the executive order targeting legal residents who happened to be out of the country at the time and are now being denied entry back into the country. Not sure if that was an oversight or not but I'm sure the courts will quickly strike down at least that part of Trump's executive order.This is what you're fighting against, Terry. (https://twitter.com/yjtorbati/status/825548787120734208)

Sad.

[Tgo01]

This is what you're fighting against, Terry. (https://twitter.com/yjtorbati/status/825548787120734208)

Sad.

Should I just go ahead and list all of the terrorist attacks, rapes, assaults, murders, and etc committed by refugees in European countries in an effort to prove that "not all" refugees are good, or would that just fly right over your head?

[drauz]

The question is how did it work out for us (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89vian_Conference) the last time we went down this path.

The answer is that children were murdered because we did not act then.

And children will be murdered because we have not acted now.

.

These are facts. Not Methais' much maligned emotions and opinions. We had a chance to take in refugees but refused because of their religion, in incontrovertible violation of our supposed founding principles.

Twice.

I really hope we never have a third opportunity to make up for it. Because we probably won't then either.

.

As a moderate American I apologize to the Muslims, and the Jews, and whatever minority we're told is really super scary next time around.

Are you comparing the Syrian civil war to the Nazis? These people aren't fleeing religious persecution. It's sad that because so many people took advantage of the situation there and have migrated under the guise of the Syrian civil war. This wouldn't be an issue otherwise.

I have done my research regarding Islam, have you?

[Geijon Khyree]

TPP is dead. That's what I voted on. Now it's just about farming tears and calling everything and everyone racists. I'm having a ball calling everyone woman and #peopleofcolor racist and watching them shit bricks. The tears and rage. God damn I wish I could grab their heads and lick the tears off of their faces then send them to Yemen or an African country to help increase diversity.

Anonymous internet persona isn't valid. If you can actually live with it. Enjoy. It's not as if you didn't exist in our worlds reality before and if you actually believe this you're not of much value anyways.

[Latrinsorm]

Should I just go ahead and list all of the terrorist attacks, rapes, assaults, murders, and etc committed by refugees in European countries in an effort to prove that "not all" refugees are good, or would that just fly right over your head?You can list all the terrorist murders committed by immigrants to the United States from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. Here, let me do it for you:

Oops, there haven't been any.

Just stop, Terry. Just stop.

[Latrinsorm]

Are you comparing the Syrian civil war to the Nazis? These people aren't fleeing religious persecution. It's sad that because so many people took advantage of the situation there and have migrated under the guise of the Syrian civil war. This wouldn't be an issue otherwise.

I have done my research regarding Islam, have you?Dictator, totalitarianism, war crimes, refugees turned away by the cowardice of the Western world. Yes, I'm comparing that to the Nazis. Why aren't you?

You've done research, great. Explain to me how a people that has produced Medal of Honor winners isn't one we want in America.

[Tgo01]

You can list all the terrorist murders committed by immigrants to the United States from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. Here, let me do it for you:

So only refugees from countries which have had citizens specifically carry out acts of terrorism inside of the US can be dangerous?

Do liberals/liberals pretending to be Republicans realize how utterly stupid that sounds?

[Candor]

Dictator, totalitarianism, war crimes, refugees turned away by the cowardice of the Western world. Yes, I'm comparing that to the Nazis. Why aren't you?

I think you need to read up on what Nazi Germany was really like.

I also think you need to look up the terms "dictator", "totalitarianism", and "war crimes".

[BigWorm]

You can discuss whatever you want, just don't be surprised if someone says shit like "he won", "snowflake", "your tears are delicious", when people call you out for repeating the same bullshit we have been hearing for months now.

Years really. Back in 2008 we heard the barrage of "Obama's victory has really brought out the racists and the bigots!" And now we're hearing "Trump's victory has really brought out the racists and the bigots!"

Yeah. Just doesn't work anymore. Try coming up with actual arguments.

I've made zero accusations of racism or bigotry in this thread. Persecution complex much? I posted the text of the executive order and said that the policy wasn't fully defined and didn't serve long term American interests. All you've done is cry about how your feelings get hurt when people call you names. Even when they don't call you names. Your tears don't even taste good.

[barbarous]

Anonymous internet persona isn't valid. If you can actually live with it. Enjoy. It's not as if you didn't exist in our worlds reality before and if you actually believe this you're not of much value anyways.


I don't see what the problem is. Those are progressive countries that follow a progressive religion that believes all women and homosexuals are valuable and will treasure them. You know, the same countries that progressives are angry that trump stopped coming into the nation for 4 months? If the people are so great, why haven't any of the #diversity crowd moved there to increase racial and religious diversity in those nations. All the rocket scientists and surgeons immigrating to European nations should show how enlightened they are. And clearly their home nations aren't dangerous since they're using welfare money to go on vacation back to their home nations.

What I won't see is my female family members go through the same thing European women are going through, getting gang raped multiple times while it's broadcast on facebook for 3 hours. I won't see my neighbors kid raped due to a sexual emergency and the rapist serving 7 months in prison. I won't see my nieces pimped out by "asian men" like in britian by cabbies and it be covered up so it can persist for a couple of decades. I'm not interested in seeing a 5 year old gang raped and pissed on while the Iowa state attorney general threatens to charge anyone with a hate crime if they post about it on social media.

If it takes sending those who scream for #racism at everything to those nations to prevent that from happening, so be it.

It's funny, I used to not have this attitude.

I decided after this bit of racial politics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv08fAXj76Y that I was done with the bullshit of special snowflakes and now going to say what I want to say rather than be polite, on the internet, in person, wherever.

[Latrinsorm]

So only refugees from countries which have had citizens specifically carry out acts of terrorism inside of the US can be dangerous?

Do liberals/liberals pretending to be Republicans realize how utterly stupid that sounds?It is an incredibly stupid question, yes. I'm not sure why you asked it either.

[Latrinsorm]

I think you need to read up on what Nazi Germany was really like.

I also think you need to look up the terms "dictator", "totalitarianism", and "war crimes".You have misunderstood the context. Germany in this analogy is Syria.

[drauz]

Dictator, totalitarianism, war crimes, refugees turned away by the cowardice of the Western world. Yes, I'm comparing that to the Nazis. Why aren't you?

You've done research, great. Explain to me how a people that has produced Medal of Honor winners isn't one we want in America.

When you say cowardice of the western world, do you really mean that or do you just mean the USA? Did Jewish refugees have a percentage that wanted to kill western civilization? Again, this wouldn't even be a problem if a great many people didn't use this situation to provide themselves with an economic benefit.

Who are you speaking of regarding Medal of Honor recipients?

[Tgo01]

All you've done is cry about how your feelings get hurt when people call you names.

It's adorable you think I cry over anything you say. No, pointing out your bullshit (and the bullshit of people like time4fun) does not equal me crying. You and time4fun and the other snowflakes throwing a fit over everything Trump does just makes me laugh.

He won, get over it already. As Americans aren't we supposed to support our president? At least that's what I've heard for the past 8 years. Oh. I guess only racists say that who think we should support our president when he's black but not when he's white.

[Tenlaar]

It says right there in the part you yourself quoted:

Did you stop reading after the part you bolded? Here, let me reverse that for you.


Upon the date that is 120 days after the date of this order, the Secretary of State shall resume USRAP admissions only for nationals of countries for which the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the Director of National Intelligence have jointly determined that such additional procedures are adequate to ensure the security and welfare of the United States.

It says that after 120 days they'll maybe start letting some people in if they decide to. You consider that some well defined criteria?

[Tgo01]

It says that after 120 days they'll maybe start letting some people in if they decide to. You consider that some well defined criteria?

I mean sure, if you're some brain dead moron who really thinks these people aren't going to agree that any country is deemed safe enough to accept refugees from.

But those of us in reality don't think Trump and his administration is literally Hitler. Maybe you should join us over here.

[Ardwen]

Also why the fuck is that shitstain Steve Bannon now a member of the National Security Council and the head of the joint chiefs not?

[Allereli]

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousands-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/

[BigWorm]

Exactly, Tenlaar. No chance Tgo1 will debate the actual policy though.

The Tgo1 argument: Trump is not literally Hitler thus QED checkmate atheists

[Tenlaar]

I mean sure, if you're some brain dead moron who really thinks these people aren't going to agree that any country is deemed safe enough to accept refugees from.

So you agree that the order says that they're going to stop until they decide to start again and gives no specifications beyond that, then. Glad we're on the same page.

[Tgo01]

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousands-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/

So now we are directly comparing Trump to Hitler.

Snowflake, he won, tears are delicious, etc.

See why we resort to these same comments now, Bigworm?

[drauz]

So now we are directly comparing Trump to Hitler.

Snowflake, he won, tears are delicious, etc.

See why we resort to these same comments now, Bigworm?

Sounds like she is comparing him to FDR.

[Tgo01]

So you agree that the order says that they're going to stop until they decide to start again and gives no specifications beyond that, then. Glad we're on the same page.

Look, I realize people such as yourself and BigWorm can't possibly win arguments without resorting to pathetic logical fallacies, but go on, Tenlaar. Try. Just once? Please? For me?

If you had actually, you know, followed along with the conversation, you would see BigWorm's original statement was, and I quote:


The executive order puts a complete stop to the US Refugee acceptance program for at least 120 days with no defined criteria to restart it.

I mean shit, the bold part there is even the part I originally quoted.

And yet there is defined criteria as to when to restart the program, right? Do you agree to that or are you going to engage more goal post moving, more backpeddling, and more logical fallacies and tap dance around answering my simple question?

[BigWorm]

Assad is the Hitler analogue dumbass

[Tgo01]

Sounds like she is comparing him to FDR.

You're right, I probably could have phrased that better.

So we're saying Trump is going to throw people back into the arms of people like Hitler?

[Tgo01]

Assad is the Hitler analogue dumbass

Go ahead and tell me again how there is no defined criteria to restart the refugee program then quote the part of the executive order that specifically spells out when and how the refugee program will be started again.

That one always makes me laugh.

At least I was big enough to admit I was wrong about my Hitler comparison just now. Are you man enough to do that? Or you going to just keep talking in circles like a pathetic weasel?

[Tenlaar]

And yet there is defined criteria as to when to restart the program, right?

No, there isn't. Saying "after 120 days we either will or won't" doesn't become defined criteria of when we will start again just because it has a number in it.

[Warriorbird]

Go ahead and tell me again how there is no defined criteria to restart the refugee program then quote the part of the executive order that specifically spells out when and how the refugee program will be started again.

That one always makes me laugh.

At least I was big enough to admit I was wrong about my Hitler comparison just now. Are you man enough to do that? Or you going to just keep talking in circles like a pathetic weasel?

As many local PC posters have pointed out recently it's tough to question somebody doing behavior we do ourselves.

[Tgo01]

No, there isn't. Saying "after 120 days we either will or won't" doesn't become defined criteria of when we will start again just because it has a number in it.

So saying after 120 days we will resume the refugee program for countries these people have deemed safe to accept refugees from isn't considered "defined criteria"?

I mean hell, how much more "defined" do you want it? Do you want it specifically spelled out as to how these people will decide if it's safe or not?

Look, maybe it could be argued that the criteria is vague, but it is defined. Pull your head out of your ass for once.

[Back]

So now we are directly comparing Trump to Hitler.

Snowflake, he won, tears are delicious, etc.

See why we resort to these same comments now, Bigworm?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFICRFKtAc4

[BigWorm]

"When I say so" isn't a defined process. You want to avoid "goal post moving, more backpeddling, and more logical fallacies", so you should really expect better defined policies from our president.

[Tgo01]

"When I say so" isn't a defined process.

So the continue to act like a pathetic weasel is the road you decided to continue down?

I can't say I'm at all shocked.

[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFICRFKtAc4

Snowflake, he won, get over it, your tears are delicious, etc etc.

[Tenlaar]

So the continue to act like a pathetic weasel is the road you decided to continue down?

I can't say I'm at all shocked.

What else do you want anybody to say? The order literally says that in 120 days we'll start again if we decide to and gives no other criteria, regardless of whether you want to argue some semantic point between "well defined" and "defined." You want to agree that it's not defined and argue that it is at the same time. Yes, when a parent tells a child "you're done when I tell you you're done" it is an answer to when they will be done, but we both know that it's really not, and that's exactly the kind of answer this order gives as to how long the ban will last.

[BigWorm]

Tgo1 will always see five lights.

[Tgo01]

What else do you want anybody to say? The order literally says that in 120 days we'll start again if we decide to and gives no other criteria, regardless of whether you want to argue some semantic point between "well defined" and "defined."

Semantic point? That was like the entire point that was in contention.

So I see you're going with the "moving the goalposts" and "backpeddling" routes. Again, can't say I'm at all surprised.

[Tgo01]

Tgo1 will always see five lights.

"There is no defined criteria!!! Well, I mean, there is, but not defined by me so it doesn't count!"

Keep up the good work, BigWorm.

Just remember; Trump won, get over it, and your tears are ever so delicious.

[Neveragain]

What else do you want anybody to say? The order literally says that in 120 days we'll start again if we decide to and gives no other criteria, regardless of whether you want to argue some semantic point between "well defined" and "defined." You want to agree that it's not defined and argue that it is at the same time. Yes, when a parent tells a child "you're done when I tell you you're done" it is an answer to when they will be done, but we both know that it's really not, and that's exactly the kind of answer this order gives as to how long the ban will last.

You act like telegraphing to the people we are trying to stop is a good thing.

Yo, hold off for 4 months then you will be clear to bring in the bomb vests.

[Geijon Khyree]

Trump is no longer winning the challenge that counts and that one is being a just, dignified and balanced leader of the most powerful nation on earth. This is why 53.9% of votes cast in our election were against him.

This entire thread is the simple question. Is he still winning? Are the 46.1% of voters doubting their decision? What will it take?

His election was precarious in the first place to put it lightly.

[Neveragain]

Trump is no longer winning the challenge that counts and that one is being a just, dignified and balanced leader of the most powerful nation on earth. This is why 53.9% of votes cast in our election were against him.

This entire thread is the simple question. Is he still winning? Are the 46.1% of voters doubting their decision? What will it take?

His election was precarious in the first place to put it lightly.

I think the result would still be the same if the Democrat candidate was Hillary Clinton. It's only been a week and the media has been trying to spread fear. My favorite so far is the doomsday clock.

We have this paper clock you see and we look really serious about it.

Fuck sakes we were practicing duck and cover when I was a kid. It ain't nothing like that now. All I'm seeing is everyone flipping out over their own shadow.

[Tenlaar]

Semantic point? That was like the entire point that was in contention.

So I see you're going with the "moving the goalposts" and "backpeddling" routes. Again, can't say I'm at all surprised.

The point of contention is that you want to argue that "when we say so" is defined criteria at all while admitting that it is entirely vague. A synonym of which is indefinite, which means not clearly defined. So again, you admit that it is not defined while adamantly insisting that it is defined. I'm not moving the goal post, you're just running in circles around it because for some reason you refuse to admit that it is a completely open-ended ban that could last for the next four years if they want it to.

[Stolis]

The point of contention is that you want to argue that "when we say so" is defined criteria at all while admitting that it is entirely vague. A synonym of which is indefinite, which means not clearly defined. So again, you admit that it is not defined while adamantly insisting that it is defined. I'm not moving the goal post, you're just running in circles around it because for some reason you refuse to admit that it is a completely open-ended ban that could last for the next four years if they want it to.

Bolded, because don't you think that's kind of a bold assumption? I mean, it could also last 120 days too, no? Could a result of the 120 day hold be to buy some time for a committee look into our visa/vetting process and see what can be done about it to make sure it's more effective in stopping sketchy people from coming into the US from no matter what country?

[Furryrat]

I'm an immigrant to the United States from Canada, born of a US citizen mother and kin to a now naturalized father and older brother.

I cautiously and optimistically supported Trump during the campaign for his fiscal policies and pro-business approach.

This action offends me to the core, violates everything that I believe in, and stains the very words upon our most revered monument.

Ten thousand fists.

[Neveragain]

I'm an immigrant to the United States from Canada, born of a US citizen mother and kin to a now naturalized father and older brother.

I cautiously and optimistically supported Trump during the campaign for his fiscal policies and pro-business approach.

This action offends me to the core, violates everything that I believe in, and stains the very words upon our most revered monument.

Ten thousand fists.

Canadians weren't strapping on bomb vests and blowing themselves up on street corners. They just threatened us with shitty beer and bacon that is really just ham. There are people in Syria that rape women, kill people who won't convert to their religion and have said they wish to destroy Western society. I sense your outrage is more or less just tears over a Democrat loss.


P.S. The list of nations was made by the Obama admin.

[Parkbandit]

Go back under your bridge.

Poor thing is so scared!

Sorry.. elections have consequences.

[Parkbandit]

Wake the hell up. This is scary.

http://bestanimations.com/Careers/Entertainment/Clowns/clown-car-animation-2.gif

[Parkbandit]

Trump is no longer winning the challenge that counts and that one is being a just, dignified and balanced leader of the most powerful nation on earth. This is why 53.9% of votes cast in our election were against him.

This entire thread is the simple question. Is he still winning? Are the 46.1% of voters doubting their decision? What will it take?

His election was precarious in the first place to put it lightly.

He's winning so hard right now, I'm almost tired of all the winning.

Almost.

[Ceyrin]

Not really enthused about this. . .

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-issues-epa-media-blackout-suspends-agencys-grants/

[loxe]

Breaking news. President Trump signs an executive order requiring all forums to have an option to completely ignore threads/topics that bore me.

[time4fun]

I'm an immigrant to the United States from Canada, born of a US citizen mother and kin to a now naturalized father and older brother.

I cautiously and optimistically supported Trump during the campaign for his fiscal policies and pro-business approach.

This action offends me to the core, violates everything that I believe in, and stains the very words upon our most revered monument.

Ten thousand fists.

You knew he supported a Muslim Ban when he was running. What the hell were you thinking then?

[Allereli]

I'm an immigrant to the United States from Canada, born of a US citizen mother and kin to a now naturalized father and older brother.

I cautiously and optimistically supported Trump during the campaign for his fiscal policies and pro-business approach.

This action offends me to the core, violates everything that I believe in, and stains the very words upon our most revered monument.

Ten thousand fists.

so honest question: You believed him about his questionable economic policies, which are a return to trickle down economics (doesn't work), and not about his discriminatory policies, which are a disgusting?

[Neveragain]

Not really enthused about this. . .

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-issues-epa-media-blackout-suspends-agencys-grants/

I'm guessing it's because the EPA doesn't really give a shit about the environment and is more about money grabs, just a couple of examples:

Tying up a family in Wyoming for building a pond on his land, $37,000 dollar a day fine, 3 year court battle that the EPA ended up losing:

http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/wyoming-man-wins-epa-lawsuit-over-stock-pond/article_4e39fb68-173d-11e6-9b7f-c3df0a4d97b9.html

EPA employees shitting in the hallways, these sound like some real winners here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2014/06/25/epa-employees-asked-to-stop-pooping-in-hallway-poop-bandit-may-still-be-on-the-loose/?utm_term=.d18288eb75e0

EPA tells Alaskans to fuck off and freeze to death, threatens fines for heating homes with firewood:

http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/01/02/epa-alaskans-we-might-fine-you-burning-wood-stay-warm

I would say the EPA needs to be resorted.

Let's not forget about this little gem: EPA Colorado river mine spill

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/09/us/colorado-epa-mine-river-spill/

[time4fun]

I'm guessing it's because the EPA doesn't really give a shit about the environment and is more about money grabs, just a couple of examples:

Tying up a family in Wyoming for building a pond on his land, $37,000 dollar a day fine, 3 year court battle that the EPA ended up losing:

http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/wyoming-man-wins-epa-lawsuit-over-stock-pond/article_4e39fb68-173d-11e6-9b7f-c3df0a4d97b9.html

EPA employees shitting in the hallways, these sound like some real winners here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2014/06/25/epa-employees-asked-to-stop-pooping-in-hallway-poop-bandit-may-still-be-on-the-loose/?utm_term=.d18288eb75e0

EPA tells Alaskans to fuck off and freeze to death, threatens fines for heating homes with firewood:

http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/01/02/epa-alaskans-we-might-fine-you-burning-wood-stay-warm

I would say the EPA needs to be resorted.

Why don't you do back to spamming lnet with racist garbage?

[Neveragain]

You knew he supported a Muslim Ban when he was running. What the hell were you thinking then?

Clinton, Russia and Uranium. Where's the outrage?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

[Neveragain]

Why don't you do back to spamming lnet with racist garbage?

Why don't you come up with some more unfounded assumptions?

I don't expect an apology, it's OK.

[Parkbandit]

so honest question: You believed him about his questionable economic policies, which are a return to trickle down economics (doesn't work), and not about his discriminatory policies, which are a disgusting?

Heads up time4fun.. someone has entered the ring with an eye towards your belt!

[Tgo01]

The point of contention is that you want to argue that "when we say so" is defined criteria at all while admitting that it is entirely vague.

Nice goalpost moving.

The executive order clearly lays out when the order will be lifted. Using your lame argument no matter what they put in there it could be considered as "when we say so."

I really don't see what is so hard to understand about this: suspend the program for 120 days while they come up with more measures to ensure people coming in via the refugee program won't pose a threat to the US, after 120 days the program will be reinstated on a country by country basis based on whether the heads of these 3 agencies feel the measures put in place ensure the safety of the US.

If you want to play this bullshit game that this is all a farce and the three heads never intend to reinstate the program for any country in the entire world well then I just don't know what to tell you other than; Trump won, get over it, you're a special snowflake, and your tears are delicious.

[time4fun]

Clinton, Russia and Uranium. Where's the outrage?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

There is none because some of us are capable of fact checking, Pirate

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFICRFKtAc4

Well fortunately President Obama is no longer President. So we don't need to worry about his rise to power anymore.

[Furryrat]

You knew he supported a Muslim Ban when he was running. What the hell were you thinking then?

You know, I don't have a defense for this. Blanket optimism, I suppose. Through all the vitriol, it was hard to see what could become actual policy.

[Shaps]

This thread cracks me up.

OMG! People in their own country have to live in their own country! The horror! Down with America! How dare you make people live where they were born!!

/yawn

If you all are losing your shit because he put in a 120 restriction on certain places WHILE they are doing a review of the procedures, just relax.

Lastly, if you think there are problems in all of these parts of the world... maybe you should look at who was in power the past 8 years (Obama for those that still want to blame GB)... and see the horrible mess that he left it in for what it really is.

You guys crying about every single thing need to examine it and just relax a moment. Cause if Trump really does fuck something up, that is the time to go nuts on him.

[drauz]

You know, I don't have a defense for this. Blanket optimism, I suppose. Through all the vitriol, it was hard to see what could become actual policy.

Its weird, because its a "politician" that is actually making good on his promises.

[Neveragain]

There is none because some of us are capable of fact checking, Pirate

It's from the NY times, it must be true.

And what racist stuff did I spam on lnet?

[Furryrat]

so honest question: You believed him about his questionable economic policies, which are a return to trickle down economics (doesn't work), and not about his discriminatory policies, which are a disgusting?

I'm far too deep into self-loathing right now to argue for the merits of small government and the effect that the pleasure of Wall Street has on the rest of us, and those in business, like myself.

I showered twice this morning and still feel dirty.

[Tgo01]

OMG! People in their own country have to live in their own country! The horror! Down with America! How dare you make people live where they were born!!

But how are we going to assuage white guilt unless we import other countries problems into our country?

[Shaps]

But how are we going to assuage white guilt unless we import other countries problems into our country?

No idea. I'm personally fine with refugees (if properly vetted) coming to the US. Nothing Trump has done so far that absolutely turns off that process. A new administration just came in, and they are doing a review of all the procedures around that.. and he is asking for recommendations from different departments on how to make it more secure. Nothing seems radical about that, except you see everyone losing their shit over it.. and other politicians trying to capitalize on it for sound bites.

Now if after the review and recommendations are completed, and he doesn't fix/change/or implement them.. and decides to just keep a blanket ban on things.. I'll disagree with his actions and say WTF.

But to review and examine something, before moving forward should not be a big issue.

[Tgo01]

No idea. I'm personally fine with refugees (if properly vetted) coming to the US. Nothing Trump has done so far that absolutely turns off that process. A new administration just came in, and they are doing a review of all the procedures around that.. and he is asking for recommendations from different departments on how to make it more secure. Nothing seems radical about that, except you see everyone losing their shit over it.. and other politicians trying to capitalize on it for sound bites.

Now if after the review and recommendations are completed, and he doesn't fix/change/or implement them.. and decides to just keep a blanket ban on things.. I'll disagree with his actions and say WTF.

But to review and examine something, before moving forward should not be a big issue.

You're sounding a bit like a racist. Lose your shit, demand Trump be impeached, and unfriend all Trump supporters on Facebook.

[Shaps]

You're sounding a bit like a racist. Lose your shit, demand Trump be impeached, and unfriend all Trump supporters on Facebook.

Lol :)

Yea, I suppose wanting a secure and prosperous US for all it's citizens is racist. /sigh

Not sure how I live with myself on a day to day basis. :(

[Allereli]

I'm far too deep into self-loathing right now to argue for the merits of small government and the effect that the pleasure of Wall Street has on the rest of us, and those in business, like myself.

I showered twice this morning and still feel dirty.

he hired all Wall St. CEOs to run the economy!

I do encourage you though to not beat yourself up and do something to support those organizations who are fighting against the discriminatory policies instead :)

[Neveragain]

he hired all Wall St. CEOs to run the economy!

I do encourage you though to not beat yourself up and do something to support those organizations who are fighting against the discriminatory policies instead :)

Wait, you're mad because he hired people that understand economics to "run the economy"?

Clinton received $64.3 million in contributions from Wall Street donors:

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/oct/06/donald-trump/how-much-money-have-wall-street-and-hedge-funds-gi/

Please just stop.

[Neveragain]

Lol :)

Yea, I suppose wanting a secure and prosperous US for all it's citizens is racist. /sigh

Not sure how I live with myself on a day to day basis. :(

These retard protesters were screaming out "No borders!, No nation!" at the airport protests. This is their goal, they live in a fantasy land and they will lie, riot and destroy peoples lives to get it.

[Parkbandit]

I'm far too deep into self-loathing right now to argue for the merits of small government and the effect that the pleasure of Wall Street has on the rest of us, and those in business, like myself.

I showered twice this morning and still feel dirty.

Fucking stupid pics..

It was a picture of an industrial strength steel wool pad.

[Furryrat]

Canadians weren't strapping on bomb vests and blowing themselves up on street corners. They just threatened us with shitty beer and bacon that is really just ham. There are people in Syria that rape women, kill people who won't convert to their religion and have said they wish to destroy Western society. I sense your outrage is more or less just tears over a Democrat loss.


P.S. The list of nations was made by the Obama admin.

Missed this one. Drunk and Roger fan, 3:30 AM start was harsh.

No.

Do you not understand that those that are going through the proper process, whether through immigration/visa or refugee status, are the most scrutinized, inspected, and researched people on this fucking planet, throwing themselves at our mercy with nothing more than pure hope that maybe tomorrow will be better than today?

There's a right way to secure our borders, this isn't it.

[Neveragain]

Missed this one. Drunk and Roger fan, 3:30 AM start was harsh.

No.

Do you not understand that those that are going through the proper process, whether through immigration/visa or refugee status, are the most scrutinized, inspected, and researched people on this fucking planet, throwing themselves at our mercy with nothing more than pure hope that maybe tomorrow will be better than today?

There's a right way to secure our borders, this isn't it.

Dude it's 120 days, it's not a ban on Islam there are Christians there too. I know you want to think with your heart, I understand, but these nations harbor and fund terrorists. Yemen, are you serious? What do you suggest, most these nations don't or can't keep track of these peoples background. Is waiting 4 months that terrible of a thing to prevent another Pulse nightclub or any other attack? Saudi Arabia won't take them in, an Arab nation right on their border. These peoples situation is being used as pawns to further a far left agenda.

[Parkbandit]

I wish we would institute Sharia Law... that would finally give the liberal women something to cry over that wasn't just in their little heads.

[macgyver]

Dude it's 120 days, it's not a ban on Islam there are Christians there too. I know you want to think with your heart, I understand, but these nations harbor and fund terrorists. Yemen, are you serious? What do you suggest, most these nations don't or can't keep track of these peoples background. Is waiting 4 months that terrible of a thing to prevent another Pulse nightclub or any other attack? Saudi Arabia won't take them in, an Arab nation right on their border. These peoples situation is being used as pawns to further a far left agenda.

Some facts:

15 out of the 19 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia which is conspiciously exempt from the travel ban.

Omar Mateen , the Pulse Nightclub shooter, was born in New Hyde Park, New York, USA .

This "travel ban" is disgusting and an affront to all Americans.

[Wrathbringer]

Some facts:

I am disgusting and an affront to all Americans.

Finally talking sense.

[Furryrat]

Dude it's 120 days, it's not a ban on Islam there are Christians there too. I know you want to think with your heart, I understand, but these nations harbor and fund terrorists. Yemen, are you serious? What do you suggest, most these nations don't or can't keep track of these peoples background. Is waiting 4 months that terrible of a thing to prevent another Pulse nightclub or any other attack? Saudi Arabia won't take them in, an Arab nation right on their border. These peoples situation is being used as pawns to further a far left agenda.

You had no way to know, but I live in the Orlando metro area, pal. Don't quote that shit to me, and last I heard, that bastard was born in New York.

I'm curious about how you think the current immigration process works, did you honestly think that people were let in in less than 120 days previously? Are you aware of some form of governmental expedience than I am not?

[Shaps]

I wish we would institute Sharia Law... that would finally give the liberal women something to cry over that wasn't just in their little heads.

It would be sort of funny if we just let it happen. I'd be okay, cause 1. I'm male.. and 2. Ana adrus wtkelm arabia.

Then women could complain about not voting, being told to cover themselves, and getting smacked around by their husbands and told to STFU and then getting smacked around by the police they told, because they were disrespecting their husband.

Homosexuals could look forward to "hanging parades" and instead of tossing salads, getting tossed off buildings.

Minorities could expect their taxes to go up, unless they convert.. then they may be okay.. or we could just re-institute indentured servitude (that's PC for slavery).

At least we'll be an "understanding" and "inclusive" nation then.

I'm sold.. Sharia for everyone!!

Oh!! And don't forget.. little boys.. you worried about the Priesthood.. well better cover your bums because sex with minors is just fine. So all the pedophiles out there will be having a field day.

[Neveragain]

So your willing to risk more American lives for "No Borders! No Nation!" Please show more fake outrage.

[Neveragain]

Some facts:

15 out of the 19 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia which is conspiciously exempt from the travel ban.

Omar Mateen , the Pulse Nightclub shooter, was born in New Hyde Park, New York, USA .

This "travel ban" is disgusting and an affront to all Americans.

Totally cool with temporary travel ban from there too, remember this list was compiled by Obama's Admin.

[Latrinsorm]

When you say cowardice of the western world, do you really mean that or do you just mean the USA?The western world in general. There are a few exceptions, but not enough, and it's not surprising that there aren't. We are the leaders of the western world. What we do, people follow.
Did Jewish refugees have a percentage that wanted to kill western civilization?Of course. There's a percentage of every group that wants to kill western civilization. More on this in a bit.
Again, this wouldn't even be a problem if a great many people didn't use this situation to provide themselves with an economic benefit.You're dreaming if you think the resistance against Muslim immigration has anything whatsoever to do with economics.
Who are you speaking of regarding Medal of Honor recipients?Peruse the list for yourself. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Medal_of_Honor_recipients) Germans, Japanese, Russians, Muslims... every supposed threat to western civilization is represented. There are no groups in human history that are homogeneous. There are heroes and villains in every group. Heck, Muslims were heroes for us literally 30 years ago (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095956/).

Step back.

Try and see the pattern.
So we're saying Trump is going to throw people back into the arms of people like Hitler?That is literally what he just did.

[Tgo01]

Try and see the pattern.That is literally what he just did.

Literally? So surely you have a source of people being rounded up and sent off to be gassed?

[BigWorm]

He's winning so hard right now, I'm almost tired of all the winning.

Almost.

Actually seems like he is losing multiple court challenges so far: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html



I hope Trump enjoys losing. He’s going to lose so much we’re going to get sick and tired of his losing,” ACLU national political director Faiz Shakir told Yahoo News shortly after the decision was announced.

[Neveragain]

There is some good news, We killed 14 terrorists in Yemen. Thank God for our soldiers trying to make the world safe again, more than can be said about the morons protesting against our nations sovereignty.

[BigWorm]

Also surprised more of the small government types aren't upset that this regulation is negatively affecting American businesses: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-companies-idUSKBN15C0SC

[Neveragain]

Also surprised more of the small government types aren't upset that this regulation is negatively affecting American businesses: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-companies-idUSKBN15C0SC

Damn shame silicon valley will have to train and hire American citizens rather than importing workers for lower wages.

[BigWorm]

Damn shame silicon valley will have to train and hire American citizens rather than importing workers for lower wages.

Lol hilarious you think that foreign workers in Silicon Valley work for lower wages. We can't find enough Americans to fill the positions we have open. Maybe you should get some job skills and get hired there yourself? I'm sure you won't because its easier to complain about how women and minorities are taking all the opportunities instead of taking personal responsibility for your failures like the pathetic cuck that you are.

[BigWorm]

Becoming more and more obvious how much influence Bannon has on policy. Really making Trump look like a bootlicking cuck who will sign any executive order Bannon puts in front of him. Maybe we should be talking about President Bannon instead?

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/29/512295108/with-national-security-council-shakeup-steve-bannon-gets-a-seat-at-the-table

[drauz]

You're dreaming if you think the resistance against Muslim immigration has anything whatsoever to do with economics.

I was suggesting that economic migrants flooding in under the guise of being refugees has exasperated the situation. Europe could have taken in the numbers that were trying to leave Syria for refugee status.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/six-out-of-10-migrants-to-europe-come-for-economic-reasons-and-are-not-refugees-eu-vice-president-a6836306.html


If the economic migrants were sent back, Mr Timmermans said, it would make a big difference to the care given to refugees fleeing conflict in countries such as Iraq and Syria.

[Tgo01]

We can't find enough Americans to fill the positions we have open.

So let me get this straight; we need immigrants (illegal or otherwise) to pick our crops because "no American would do that kind of work" and apparently not enough Americans want these high paying and good jobs because, why again? So what are Americans doing exactly? Somewhere between the low paying and "hard" work of picking crops and the cushy high paying jobs of working for a company like Google?

[Neveragain]

Lol hilarious you think that foreign workers in Silicon Valley work for lower wages. We can't find enough Americans to fill the positions we have open. Maybe you should get some job skills and get hired there yourself? I'm sure you won't because its easier to complain about how women and minorities are taking all the opportunities instead of taking personal responsibility for your failures like the pathetic cuck that you are.

What? I Operate, maintain and make ready 8 color printing presses. OMG I just realized they are made in Germany...... holy shit I'm a NAZI

[BigWorm]

So let me get this straight; we need immigrants (illegal or otherwise) to pick our crops because "no American would do that kind of work" and apparently not enough Americans want these high paying and good jobs because, why again? So what are Americans doing exactly? Somewhere between the low paying and "hard" work of picking crops and the cushy high paying jobs of working for a company like Google?

Hey dumbass I am talking about high paying technology jobs and didn't propose filling them with illegal immigrants. Most decent sized tech companies have legal teams to ensure they can get their candidates here legally because it is not at all worth the risk of hiring someone illegally. These companies want to hire world-class talent which definitionally means also hiring people from outside the US. It's not that Americans don't want these high paying jobs - I am one of them and so are many of my coworkers and colleagues; there just aren't enough qualified Americans for all the positions that need to be filled. We're working on training more people to have the skills for these positions, but its hard even to find people willing to go through the training.

Bringing the best and brightest to American companies has been a competitive advantage for a long time. I don't understand why this administration wants to destroy that.

[BigWorm]

What? I Operate, maintain and make ready 8 color printing presses. OMG I just realized they are made in Germany...... holy shit I'm a NAZI

Jesus christ you cucks are going out of your way to call yourself and your dear leader nazis in this thread. Be careful or you might make Tgo1 cry about it again.

PS you got insurance on those printing presses?

[Tgo01]

Hey dumbass I am talking about high paying technology jobs and didn't propose filling them with illegal immigrants.

Did I say or even imply you did? Might want to tone down the strawman just a smidgen.


These companies want to hire world-class talent which definitionally means also hiring people from outside the US. It's not that Americans don't want these high paying jobs - I am one of them and so are many of my coworkers and colleagues; there just aren't enough qualified Americans for all the positions that need to be filled.

Funny how your argument went from "We can't find enough Americans to fill the positions we have open." to "there just aren't enough qualified Americans for all the positions that need to be filled."

Might want to try to be consistent in your arguments if you're going to lose your shit whenever someone calls you out on your bullshit.

[Tgo01]

Jesus christ you cucks are going out of your way to call yourself and your dear leader nazis in this thread.

It's totes adorbs how you're acting like people haven't been referring to Trump as Hitler for over a year now. Hitler has been mentioned twice so far in this thread, once as a direct comparison, by people who hate Trump.

But yes, no one has referred to "our" leader as Hitler in this thread.

Maybe you should have your chest replaced with glass so you can actually read posts with your head shoved so far up your ass.

[BigWorm]

"We can't find enough Americans to fill the positions we have open." to "there just aren't enough qualified Americans for all the positions that need to be filled."

How are these different? Maybe hiring works differently at your hot dog stand, but at my company we don't place people in positions they are not qualified for. It's pretty basic really.

[BigWorm]

It's totes adorbs how you're acting like people haven't been referring to Trump as Hitler for over a year now. Hitler has been mentioned twice so far in this thread, once as a direct comparison, by people who hate Trump.

But yes, no one has referred to "our" leader as Hitler in this thread.

Maybe you should have your chest replaced with glass so you can actually read posts with your head shoved so far up your ass.

Oh I'm sorry is that not politically correct to say? Maybe you should go back to your safe space.

[Tgo01]

How are these different? Maybe hiring works differently at your hot dog stand, but at my company we don't place people in positions they are not qualified for. It's pretty basic really.

What's the difference between "We can't find enough Americans to fill positions" and "we can't find enough qualified Americans for the positions"?

Serious question, are you mentally retarded?

This is like your defined criteria bit all over again.

[Neveragain]

Jesus christ you cucks are going out of your way to call yourself and your dear leader nazis in this thread. Be careful or you might make Tgo1 cry about it again.

PS you got insurance on those printing presses?

The butt hurt is strong in you. Embrace the butt hurt.

[Neveragain]

How are these different? Maybe hiring works differently at your hot dog stand, but at my company we don't place people in positions they are not qualified for. It's pretty basic really.

Unless they are anything but white Christian males.

P.S. There's only 2 genders.

[Geijon Khyree]

America has strict employment rules in how they are verified. I've linked it for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-9_(form)

[BigWorm]

What's the difference between "We can't find enough Americans to fill positions" and "we can't find enough qualified Americans for the positions"?

Serious question, are you mentally retarded?

This is like your defined criteria bit all over again.

Not surprising that qualifications aren't important to you since you thought Trump was qualified to be president. I'll try to use smaller words so that you can understand. You probably haven't been hired too many times so I'll try to explain how the process works at a real company:

Company wants to fill a position
They interview people and select the candidate best qualified for the job
If they can't find anyone qualified for the position, the position remains open

I don't know why I have to explain that companies hire only qualified candidates. It must work differently in your mom's basement.

[Nathala Crane]

What's the difference between "We can't find enough Americans to fill positions" and "we can't find enough qualified Americans for the positions"?

Serious question, are you mentally retarded?

This is like your defined criteria bit all over again.

Let's take this slowly, because you're either slipping and have resorted to arguing semantics, or your reading comprehension is below the level of a 5th grader.

1.) Company has positions to fill.

2.) The positions that need to be filled require certain qualifications.

3.) Company looks to hire within U.S. Some applicants are qualified, some are not. Company hires applicants who are qualified.

4.) Company still has positions to fill!

5.) Company can't find enough American applicants to fill positions, so looks outside.

This doesn't seem very hard to understand.

[Tgo01]

Not surprising that qualifications aren't important to you since you thought Trump was qualified to be president. I'll try to use smaller words so that you can understand. You probably haven't been hired too many times so I'll try to explain how the process works at a real company:

Company wants to fill a position
They interview people and select the candidate best qualified for the job
If they can't find anyone qualified for the position, the position remains open

I don't know why I have to explain that companies hire only qualified candidates. It must work differently in your mom's basement.

So you're a bleeding heart liberal, right? What is the reason again we can't find Americans who want to do the work immigrants do? Is it because the Americans aren't qualified to pick crops or clean toilets? Or is it because "no American" is willing to do the work?

Do you, do you see why the word "qualified" is important in your sentence?

Here let me see if I can try to dumb this down some more for you.

What you originally said: We can't find enough Americans to fill positions.

This gives NO indication as to whether or not enough Americans are qualified for these positions. In fact the implication is not enough Americans even want the positions. You see, this is how the English language works. If you want someone to understand what you are talking about you might want to try using more verbs and adjectives. Surely you understood this at some point which is why you then added the word "qualified" later on, but now you just refuse to admit you were originally wrong. Again.

Don't worry, you've made it pretty clear you'll never admit you were wrong and will instead continue to move the goalposts and attack the person pointing out your bullshit so I don't expect anything different this time.

[Tgo01]

This doesn't seem very hard to understand.

You're right, it's not hard at all.

Someone saying "We can't find enough Americans to fill positions" gives no indications of the reason why they can't find enough Americans to fill positions.

If I say my local McDonald's can't find enough Americans to fill positions so they are looking towards foreign labor does this imply not enough "qualified" Americans are looking to fill positions?

I get it, you and dipshit BigWorm are trying to be cute in saying it's just "obvious" since we're talking about tech firms here. But, no, you, much like BigWorm, need to pull your head out of your ass and just realize that his original sentence was wrong and gave the wrong impression.

What is with you Trump haters? Can't admit a Trump supporter was right and you were wrong? Even though everyone can read the posts and see exactly how wrong you were?

[Geijon Khyree]

So the conservative answer to everything is blame and shame? That's about the only response given. It's not a reasoned or factual one. How are your marriages?

[Neveragain]

It's fun to listen to people that just months ago were protesting for a $15 an hour minimum wage turn around and talk about American workers not taking jobs because those jobs pay less than minimum wage. Fucking baffles the mind

[Neveragain]

It's no more evident than now that the Democrat party is the pro-slavery party

[Jeril]

I am guessing the mention of Silicon Valley was part of BigWorms original and unaltered post and last I checked it wasn't famous for it's jobs at McDs or minimum wage jobs either. Which makes you guys look silly for barking up that tree.

To me it does seem like this ban was poorly thought out though. Trump had about two and a half months to figure out something better than a stall tactic. It shouldn't have been that difficult to hire enough lawyers and other specialists to come up with something more concrete within that time.

[Tgo01]

There there. *pats* Just stick to spellbotting. - Nathala-Crane

Someone sounds jealous.

[Nathala Crane]

Someone sounds jealous.


Very.

[Tenlaar]

Bolded, because don't you think that's kind of a bold assumption? I mean, it could also last 120 days too, no?

Sure, it could. The only point that I have been arguing is that the language of the order makes it effective until they say it's not regardless of whether it has "120 days" in it or not.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I really enjoyed telling my son's grandparents that he won't be going to Florida with them tomorrow so don't bother flying up. Also enjoyed telling them that for the forseeable future they will never be alone with him because I only allow people with actual sense be alone with my one and only child.

They were pretty unhappy, and to be frank, I am too. I have a trip to Santorini planned for September that a) I'm not sure if I'll even be able to go on it and 2) now I need to pay for a live-in babysitter for a week and a half. I'll be able to take care of it though, good luck to them finding a stand in grandson since they're clearly not mentally there enough to be responsible for anything that matters, let alone a child.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Also I'll just say this much- I had a friend who got completely fucked by this order. His family risked their lives to help the US and to get to come here, and they only return to Iraq at their peril to try to keep their remaining family safe. It's really easy to handwave away the actual ramifications until you're at the airport at an odd hour because your friend is fucking TERRIFIED because your asshole of a president decided to do something ethically disgusting, which is exactly where I was yesterday. A cowardly draft dodger and his followers don't need or get to tell me what actual patriotism is.

[Tgo01]

I really enjoyed telling my son's grandparents that he won't be going to Florida with them tomorrow so don't bother flying up. Also enjoyed telling them that for the forseeable future they will never be alone with him because I only allow people with actual sense be alone with my one and only child.

You honestly let politics interfere with the relationship between you, your son, and your parents/in-laws?

Unless I misunderstood something and this isn't because they are Trump supporters?

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

You honestly let politics interfere with the relationship between you, your son, and your parents/in-laws?

Unless I misunderstood something and this isn't because they are Trump supporters?

1- Until things settle down, I won't be separated from my child. I am legitimately terrified at this point.

2- They prop up this lunatic, police my social media, and haven't given a single thought to people who get hurt. They aren't to be trusted.

Actions have consequences. His dad agrees with me, so for them, no access without supervision.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Also at what point can we stop calling it "politics" and start calling it "beach volleyball with human rights and the players just are not sexy at all"?

[Tgo01]

Also at what point can we stop calling it "politics" and start calling it "beach volleyball with human rights and the players just are not sexy at all"?

Please. Obama murdered thousands of people with his drone policies, were you afraid to leave your son alone with Obama supporters who propped up such an evil mad man who killed hundreds of innocent children because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Or are you only worried about brown people when they try to enter the US?

I always knew you were one of our more liberal posters but you always seemed level headed about it. This action just seems to have come out of left field for you. I guess it just goes to show that even the level headed liberals aren't safe from Trumphobia.

[Neveragain]

Ummm, it's not Trump supporters rioting in the streets and attacking anyone they deem a Trump supporter. I'm sorry for your family that Democrats don't understand what peaceful transfer of power means.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2011/02/obama_87446079.jpg

Y'all have fun with this dumpster fire! I'm off to get ready for work tomorrow and make dinner for the kidlet. I doubt I'll be back any time soon.

[Wrathbringer]

http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2011/02/obama_87446079.jpg

Y'all have fun with this dumpster fire! I'm off to get ready for work tomorrow and make dinner for the kidlet. I doubt I'll be back any time soon.

mmmmm liberal tears nomnomnom

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Please. Obama murdered thousands of people with his drone policies, were you afraid to leave your son alone with Obama supporters who propped up such an evil mad man who killed hundreds of innocent children because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Or are you only worried about brown people when they try to enter the US?

I always knew you were one of our more liberal posters but you always seemed level headed about it. This action just seems to have come out of left field for you. I guess it just goes to show that even the level headed liberals aren't safe from Trumphobia.

When I had to buy a thousand dollar ticket to get past TSA and hold a weeping nearly 30 year old man who I've known since 6th grade because he wasn't being allowed to stay in his home country despite having the correct paperwork.

FYI, he's home now and I breathe easier.

You know what levelheadedness is now? People who voted for this asshole acknowledging they made a mistake and apologizing for it, not doubling down that this sort of thing is ok. I am beyond disgusted.

I am tolerant of other views and try to be fair minded, but nah, I'm done. Y'all are out for blood--- fuck you, I'm protecting everything I love and I won't apologize.

[Warriorbird]

When I had to buy a thousand dollar ticket to get past TSA and hold a weeping nearly 30 year old man who I've known since 6th grade because he wasn't being allowed to stay in his home country despite having the correct paperwork.

FYI, he's home now and I breathe easier.

You know what levelheadedness is now? People who voted for this asshole acknowledging they made a mistake and apologizing for it, not doubling down that this sort of thing is ok. I am beyond disgusted.

I am tolerant of other views and try to be fair minded, but nah, I'm done. Y'all are out for blood--- fuck you, I'm protecting everything I love and I won't apologize.

Don't mind them. They're just playing Iraqi Information Minister. I'm sure you've got much more important stuff to deal with.

[Tgo01]

http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2011/02/obama_87446079.jpg

Yup. The man who classified children as enemy combatants to lower his civilian death count, who murdered an American citizen in cold blood without providing him due process, and who signed a law that gave the president the power to lock up American citizens indefinitely.

Can we stop referring to this man as a "politician" and start referring to him as a cold blooded murderer of a dictator?

[Tgo01]

I'm protecting everything I love and I won't apologize.

"Protecting" your son by destroying the relationship he had with his grandparents?

Whatever helps you sleep better at night. As long as the father agreed with your decision I guess that makes it okay in your mind.

You want to say "fuck you" to me and Trump supporters? Fine. Why the fuck are you dragging your son into this? Don't give me this bullshit that you're "protecting" him from his grandparents.

[Nathala Crane]

Yup. The man who classified children as enemy combatants to lower his civilian death count, who murdered an American citizen in cold blood without providing him due process, and who signed a law that gave the president the power to lock up American citizens indefinitely.

Can we stop referring to this man as a "politician" and start referring to him as a cold blooded murderer of a dictator?

Meanwhile, in the real world, Trump has repeatedly referred to him as a "great man." So, what does that make Trump, using your own bullshit logic?

[Tgo01]

Meanwhile, in the real world, Trump has repeatedly referred to him as a "great man." So, what does that make Trump, using your own bullshit logic?

Talk about "whoosh."

Just how retarded are you?

[Neveragain]

Yea we are out to legally destroy the people that spent 8 years calling any dissenting voice a racist, bigot, a sexist..... bashed our religious beliefs. What did you expect us to do? Cower like little bitches? Everybody dismissed us and we put our noses to the grindstone while they acted like first class citizens. Pffft, now you all blame us and spread fear and terrorize anyone that doesn't fit in their defined box.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Ummm, it's not Trump supporters rioting in the streets and attacking anyone they deem a Trump supporter. I'm sorry for your family that Democrats don't understand what peaceful transfer of power means.

My friend's family risked their lives to pass information to the United States during Hussein's regime.

They were allowed to come and after both of his parents died in a car crash, my friend has struggled to keep the process going. America is his home though. I feel extremely strongly because the day after 9-11 someone shoved him and I was in the group of students who made a shield around him.

He is my friend. His mom's favorite color is yellow. His dad has a really black sense of humor. He likes to run, just like me, but we run at the same pace. We have laughed together "Either I (Nikki) am great at running or I (Mo) am just terrible)." He has two sisters and his parents were extremely strict about their grades-- "Your job is to learn" is what he was told and they lived every day eternally they had access to the things we all take for granted. They were kind. I never dated him and we were always just friends-- his mother touched my feet the first time I entered their home when I was a junior in high school.

This isn't political, this is personal. I can forgive political, I can understand political. This is personal. And sending a person away from their home to their potential death? That isn't peaceful.



You should stop crying about the protests, BTW. Protests mean democracy is alive. Embrace the protests, if your party isn't doing anything wrong.

[Wrathbringer]

Talk about "whoosh."

Just how retarded are you?

I'm reading an 8.6 on the impairment scale, Tgo.

[BigWorm]

I mean I don't necessarily expect you to cower like a little bitch but this immigration policy is basically Bannon telling Trump to cower like a bitch because he is scared of refugees.

[Nathala Crane]

Talk about "whoosh."

Just how retarded are you?

I know resorting to name-calling is your go-to when you can't manage to articulate a meaningful response (which is often) but humor me here.

[Wrathbringer]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaa

pretty sweet tears here.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

"Protecting" your son by destroying the relationship he had with his grandparents?

Whatever helps you sleep better at night. As long as the father agreed with your decision I guess that makes it okay in your mind.

You want to say "fuck you" to me and Trump supporters? Fine. Why the fuck are you dragging your son into this? Don't give me this bullshit that you're "protecting" him from his grandparents.

I'm glad it upsets you.

There are ramifications for behaviors.

Being a bigoted piece of shit = you don't get to be alone with my kid.

Shocking!

[Tgo01]

I know resorting to name-calling is your go-to when you can't manage to articulate a meaningful response (which is often) but humor me here.


I'm reading an 8.6 on the impairment scale, Tgo.

I don't know, I think your device is reading a bit low.

[tyrant-201]

Yup. The man who classified children as enemy combatants to lower his civilian death count, who murdered an American citizen in cold blood without providing him due process, and who signed a law that gave the president the power to lock up American citizens indefinitely.

Can we stop referring to this man as a "politician" and start referring to him as a cold blooded murderer of a dictator?

Sure - as soon as you acknowledge you voted a dictator into office. One that wants to bring back torture. One that thinks building a wall is going to solve illegal immigration. One who's been caught in countless lies (typical politician) since he ran for office, but hasn't actually apologized for any of them. One that's said disgusting things about women, ignorant things about muslims. One that refuses to be honest about his finances.

Already you guys only have a handful of people defending him here. I'm wondering what it will take for you to admit he's crossed a line. At the rate he's going, I don't see him lasting four years.

Also, in before that old pathetic geezer of a fuck ParkBandit says something about 'liberal tears'.

[Nathala Crane]

I don't know, I think your device is reading a bit low.

http://i.imgur.com/himZD0M.gif

You two enjoy the circle jerk. <3

[Tgo01]

I'm glad it upsets you.

Yeah, I guess I do have a soft spot for little kids being used by their parents because they have a political agenda to push. I'm just silly like that.


Being a bigoted piece of shit = you don't get to be alone with my kid.

Wait, so your parents/in-laws have always been bigoted pieces of shit but you just now decided to sever the relationship? Or are you saying being a Trump supporter automatically makes one a bigoted piece of shit? Walk me through the thought process here.

[BigWorm]

I mean even Jeril thinks Trump crossed a line with this EO. I was not even aware that Jeril had boundaries.

[Tgo01]

Sure - as soon as you acknowledge you voted a dictator into office. One that wants to bring back torture. One that thinks building a wall is going to solve illegal immigration. One who's been caught in countless lies (typical politician) since he ran for office, but hasn't actually apologized for any of them. One that's said disgusting things about women, ignorant things about muslims. One that refuses to be honest about his finances.

What, you want me to say I think Trump is perfect or something? Of course he's not, he's said and done some stupid and horrible shit.

Obama has said and done some stupid and horrible shit but there is no way I would base relationships with someone based on whether they voted for him or not. That's just insane on the surface of it.

[Wrathbringer]

I'm glad it upsets you.

There are ramifications for behaviors.

Being a bigoted piece of shit = you don't get to be alone with my kid.

Shocking!

LOL /clowns

[Wrathbringer]

I'm seriously butthurt over this.

you lost hahahaha

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Yeah, I guess I do have a soft spot for little kids being used by their parents because they have a political agenda to push. I'm just silly like that.



Wait, so your parents/in-laws have always been bigoted pieces of shit but you just now decided to sever the relationship? Or are you saying being a Trump supporter automatically makes one a bigoted piece of shit? Walk me through the thought process here.

One of my number 1 jobs as a parent is teaching my kids morals.

This isn't about a political agenda. It's about our souls. I don't let people who are KKK members or who hate gay people be alone with him either. Oh the humanity!

[Neveragain]

My friend's family risked their lives to pass information to the United States during Hussein's regime.

They were allowed to come and after both of his parents died in a car crash, my friend has struggled to keep the process going. America is his home though. I feel extremely strongly because the day after 9-11 someone shoved him and I was in the group of students who made a shield around him.

He is my friend. His mom's favorite color is yellow. His dad has a really black sense of humor. He likes to run, just like me, but we run at the same pace. We have laughed together "Either I (Nikki) am great at running or I (Mo) am just terrible)." He has two sisters and his parents were extremely strict about their grades-- "Your job is to learn" is what he was told and they lived every day eternally they had access to the things we all take for granted. They were kind. I never dated him and we were always just friends-- his mother touched my feet the first time I entered their home when I was a junior in high school.

This isn't political, this is personal. I can forgive political, I can understand political. This is personal. And sending a person away from their home to their potential death? That isn't peaceful.



You should stop crying about the protests, BTW. Protests mean democracy is alive. Embrace the protests, if your party isn't doing anything wrong.

They are not protests, these are riots. They have an agenda to end our sovereignty. 100's of thousands have died protecting that sovereignty, my own family included. I'm not going to roll over to a bunch of mislead sniveling teens and adults who never grew up.

[tyrant-201]

you lost hahahaha

I think we all lost.

I wouldn't vote for Hillary, and I wouldn't vote for Trump.

You lost too.

[Tgo01]

I don't let people who are KKK members or who hate gay people be alone with him either.

So now you're equating your child's grandparents with KKK members or gay bashers because of who they voted for?

[tyrant-201]

They are not protests, these are riots. They have an agenda to end our sovereignty. 100's of thousands have died protecting that sovereignty, my own family included. I'm not going to roll over to a bunch of mislead sniveling teens and adults who never grew up.

A small fraction of them are 'riots'. Most of the gatherings have been true protests. But continue making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

[Wrathbringer]

One of my number 1 jobs as a parent is teaching my kids morals.

This isn't about a political agenda. It's about our souls. I don't let people who are KKK members or who hate gay people be alone with him either. Oh the humanity!

completely dodged the question.

[tyrant-201]

completely dodged the question.

As usual you have nothing to add to the discussion.

[Wrathbringer]

I think we all lost.

I wouldn't vote for Hillary, and I wouldn't vote for Trump.

You lost too.

Whatever. Brown people are being kept out. I'm winning big time. Been a long time coming.

[tyrant-201]

Whatever. Brown people are being kept out. I'm winning big time. Been a long time coming.

The reason you all tolerate Trump in a nutshell.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

And nah, I gave Trump a chance. If you look back I even defended him and stood back and held my breath and had the fucking young ignorance in me enough to hold my breathe hoping for the best.

You can't accuse me of not doing that because LOOK at what he's done his first week. That's why I turned. How long do I let him be a complete and total fuck up and absolute natural disaster and destroy the world I desperately want to preserve for my progeny before I say fuck it?

Give me Bush, Romney, or (oh my god please) give me McCain. Give me a person that doesn't behave in a way that results in terrified texts and 1k plane tickets for me to do the Christian thing to be there for my brother's hour of need.

Nah, don't play moral high ground with me and the millions of people like me who are gearing up or are doing this. Maybe the baby boomers will wake up and realize the world doesn't belong to them exclusively.

[Wrathbringer]

The reason you all tolerate Trump in a nutshell.

Tolerate him? I celebrate him. He's doing a bang up job thus far.

[Tgo01]

Nah, don't play moral high ground with me

You're the one justifying destroying the relationship between your son and his grandparents by equating them to the KKK and gay bashers. Believe me, I have the moral high ground here.

[Nathala Crane]

I'm sure the rest of the forum's Trump supporters are glad they have Wrathbringer to say all the things they want to say but simply don't have the balls to vocalize! Kudos, Shartflinger. You're a rare fucking breed.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

So now you're equating your child's grandparents with KKK members or gay bashers because of who they voted for?

IDK

My brother in law is gay and his fiance mentioned that he's scared only to get shouted down that they're taking it too personally and they both have every right to marry women.

I guess that's not homophobia though.

The GOP is a party of bigots and your words and behaviors and laws have meaning. I stand with my BIL, not with you. And I want my son to live in a world where the loving adults of his life stand with his uncles.

You are on a sinking ship. FFS, get off.

[Warriorbird]

You're the one justifying destroying the relationship between your son and his grandparents by equating them to the KKK and gay bashers. Believe me, I have the moral high ground here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf

[Wrathbringer]

IDK

My brother in law is gay and his fiance mentioned that he's scared only to get shouted down that they're taking it too personally and they both have every right to marry women.

I guess that's not homophobia though.

The GOP is a party of bigots and your words and behaviors and laws have meaning. I stand with my BIL, not with you. And I want my son to live in a world where the loving adults of his life stand with his uncles.

You are on a sinking ship. FFS, get off.

this is great. Please, keep being triggered and posting.

[tyrant-201]

IDK

My brother in law is gay and his fiance mentioned that he's scared only to get shouted down that they're taking it too personally and they both have every right to marry women.

I guess that's not homophobia though.

The GOP is a party of bigots and your words and behaviors and laws have meaning. I stand with my BIL, not with you. And I want my son to live in a world where the loving adults of his life stand with his uncles.

You are on a sinking ship. FFS, get off.

BUT TRUMP WON! LIBERAL TEARS! SOMETHING SOMETHING!

[Tgo01]

You are on a sinking ship. FFS, get off.

Or what, you'll destroy the relationship between your son and other relatives he got along with?

[Wrathbringer]

I'm sure the rest of the forum's Trump supporters are glad they have Wrathbringer to say all the things they want to say but simply don't have the balls to vocalize! Kudos, Shartflinger. You're a rare fucking breed.

Damn right.

[BigWorm]

Whatever. Brown people are being kept out. I'm winning big time. Been a long time coming.


Believe me, I have the moral high ground here.

Please no fake news or alternate facts.

[Tgo01]

The GOP is a party of bigots and your words and behaviors and laws have meaning.

Spare me. Like your party isn't the party of identity politics? I mean just look at this shit YOU yourself have posted.

The GOP is the party of bigots and racists and homophobes? Black people attacking white people because they voted for Trump? Women attacking other women because they voted for Trump? Blacks calling other blacks "Uncle Tom" because they voted for Trump? Gays calling other gays "faggot traitors" because they voted for Trump?

How many people severed relationships with family members because of the shit Obama did?

Obama is directly responsible for the murder of thousands of people during his time in office. Race relations have only gotten worse due to his and his party's divisive rhetoric and virtue signaling.

People are sick of you and your party's bullshit. Proof? Trump won! Get over it.

[Tgo01]

Please no fake news or alternate facts.

Why am I not surprised BigWorm thinks it's okay for a mother to destroy the relationship between her young child and his grandparents because of who the grandparents voted for?

You Trump haters are beyond pathetic at this point.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I'm sure the rest of the forum's Trump supporters are glad they have Wrathbringer to say all the things they want to say but simply don't have the balls to vocalize! Kudos, Shartflinger. You're a rare fucking breed.

Nah you know what kills me.. is that I love so many people on this board. I've been bitching with them for years. I LOVE PB and his wife's mac and cheese and his chili, I know his fucked sense of humor and love it to pieces. I know that 99.9 percent of them are good people even when we disagree and we frequently do because I can be a psycho cunt, etc. But if I heard their family and friends were being hurt, I would pause. And I would apologize if it was because of me. I don't expect them to become dems. But I'd expect them to do what my brother did this morning-- He called me and said I'll never be a democrat but this shouldn't have happened to you or your friend.


I am exhausted and don't know what to do anymore. The entire idea of empathy or compassion feels foreign. I shared this about my son because I want you who voted for Trump to really think about what empathy burn out looks like. Who it effects. My son has no idea things have changed. They will miss him, not the other way around. The things we do have consequences. Never, ever forget it guys. And don't laugh about licking liberal tears when the owners of those tears deem you dangerous and you stop seeing your grandchildren as a result.

My trust is destroyed. Earn it back, or not. All that matters is the tiny human in my care.

[Neveragain]

A small fraction of them are 'riots'. Most of the gatherings have been true protests. But continue making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

80 people have been kept from returning home, let's talk about mountains and mole hills. We watched last week 100's of rioters set fires, destroy public and private property and assault any dissenting voice. Movie stars talking about blowing up the White House. We have seen children tortured because they may have voted Trump. We have seen neighborhoods burnt up over street thugs getting what they deserved. Please don't tell me about mountains and mole hills.

[BigWorm]

People are already sick of Trump's bullshit after barely a week. Proof? Unprecedented, large, nationwide protests across the country.

[Wrathbringer]

Nah you know what kills me.. is that I love so many people on this board. I've been bitching with them for years. I LOVE PB and his wife's mac and cheese and his chili, I know his fucked sense of humor and love it to pieces. I know that 99.9 percent of them are good people even when we disagree and we frequently do because I can be a psycho cunt, etc. But if I heard their family and friends were being hurt, I would pause. And I would apologize if it was because of me. I don't expect them to become dems. But I'd expect them to do what my brother did this morning-- He called me and said I'll never be a democrat but this shouldn't have happened to you or your friend.


I am exhausted and don't know what to do anymore. The entire idea of empathy or compassion feels foreign. I shared this about my son because I want you who voted for Trump to really think about what empathy burn out looks like. Who it effects. My son has no idea things have changed. They will miss him, not the other way around. The things we do have consequences. Never, ever forget it guys. And don't laugh about licking liberal tears when the owners of those tears deem you dangerous and you stop seeing your grandchildren as a result.

My trust is destroyed. Earn it back, or not. All that matters is the tiny human in my care.

MOAR TEARS PLS THX!

[tyrant-201]

People are already sick of Trump's bullshit after barely a week. Proof? Unprecedented, large, nationwide protests across the country.

But that's just the MSM! Most of those people are sheeple! Liberal tears! Riots! MY PRESIDENT WON WHY CAN'T I CELEBRATE.

[Tgo01]

People are already sick of Trump's bullshit after barely a week. Proof? Unprecedented, large, nationwide protests across the country.

Please. They were already rioting and protesting the day he was sworn in, before he had time to even officially do anything.

They were protesting, rioting, crying, screaming, and torturing mentally handicapped white men before Trump was even sworn in.

Don't act like you pieces of shit gave Trump a chance and are just dismayed at what he has done. You morons were never going to give the man a chance.

I can't wait to see people suddenly "care" about children getting killed in drone strikes under Trump, because you fuckers sure didn't give a single shit when it happened under Obama.

Remember that civilian hospital that Obama bombed? Where were you guys telling your children they were no longer allowed to spend time with Obama supporters over that? Oh that's right, you guys only care about brown people as long as they are affected by a Republican.

Pathetic.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Spare me. Like your party isn't the party of identity politics? I mean just look at this shit YOU yourself have posted.

The GOP is the party of bigots and racists and homophobes? Black people attacking white people because they voted for Trump? Women attacking other women because they voted for Trump? Blacks calling other blacks "Uncle Tom" because they voted for Trump? Gays calling other gays "faggot traitors" because they voted for Trump?

How many people severed relationships with family members because of the shit Obama did?

Obama is directly responsible for the murder of thousands of people during his time in office. Race relations have only gotten worse due to his and his party's divisive rhetoric and virtue signaling.

People are sick of you and your party's bullshit. Proof? Trump won! Get over it.


No. He lost the popular vote by a landslide.

I work in Risk, I am impressed beyond FUCK at the social engineering he's done. But there's a reason he isn't a popular president: because the majority hates him.

You are racists, bigots, and homophobes. People vote against their own self interest all the time. I reconciled with my husband only 8 days ago because prior to that his mother insulting my mother and grandmother sent things to a flash point.

I'm never playing nice again. And why should I. When someone or something is wrong, it deserves to get called out.

If you cared you'd denounce it. Not side with me but call a do over.

Your party is a party of treasonous cowards. Your opinion used to matter to me. It matters less now than a cow's fart in the wind, and that breaks my heart.

How could a group so strong get so easily bent over, fucked, and then yell they actually like it?