Russia Just Invaded Ukraine

[ClydeR]

When discussing Ukraine, J.D. Vance said on Meet the Press today that World War II ended through negotiation. Is that how you learned it in school?

Unfortunately for Vance, World War II was not brought to an end, but came to a close with the unconditional surrender of Germany on May 7, 1945, and Japan on September 2, 1945.

"Vance says WWII ended in negotiation -someone tell that to Hiroshima," one user wrote on X.

Another added, "World War 2 ended with the exact opposite of a negotiation."

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[~Rocktar~]

When discussing Ukraine, J.D. Vance said on Meet the Press today that World War II ended through negotiation. Is that how you learned it in school?

Yes, actually, because Germany and Japan negotiated surrender. That's how it works since we didn't just go in and kill everyone in the upper command and so on.

[Tgo01]

When discussing Ukraine, J.D. Vance said on Meet the Press today that World War II ended through negotiation. Is that how you learned it in school?

You Democrats are so desperate.

It was a negotiation. The US told Japan "surrender now or we will turn your entire country to rubble" and Japan said "Okay. We surrender."

In case you're not aware, we didn't turn Japan into the 49th US state.

No where did Vance say or even imply that people didn't die in any of those wars. Holy shit you fuckers are absurd.

[Suppressed Poet]

When discussing Ukraine, J.D. Vance said on Meet the Press today that World War II ended through negotiation. Is that how you learned it in school?

Potsdam Agreement 1945

Do you have any idea how close the U.S. & Great Britain were to continuing WW2 against the Soviet Union? No, but I learned that in school.

[Tgo01]

Trump just slapped a 50% tariff on all Indian imports because they keep buying more Russian oil.

Which is odd, you would think Trump, the supposed Russian asset, would be cheering India on. Instead he is risking alienating a US ally and fucking over their economy because they are directly helping Russia.

So weird.

[Gelston]

Trump just slapped a 50% tariff on all Indian imports because they keep buying more Russian oil.

Which is odd, you would think Trump, the supposed Russian asset, would be cheering India on. Instead he is risking alienating a US ally and fucking over their economy because they are directly helping Russia.

So weird.

Tech Support is about to become so expensive.

[Solkern]

Yes, actually, because Germany and Japan negotiated surrender. That's how it works since we didn't just go in and kill everyone in the upper command and so on.

Yeah, no for Germany, and not really for Japan as their ONLY condition was purely symbolic and would have probably surrendered anyways if the allies said fuck no.

Germany did not negotiate peace terms.
The Allies (United States, United Kingdom, Soviet Union, and others) demanded unconditional surrender — meaning Germany had no bargaining power.
Adolf Hitler committed suicide on April 30, 1945.
Germany surrendered unconditionally on May 7–8, 1945.
The surrender documents were signed in Reims, France, and then again in Berlin for the Soviets.

So, Germany’s end came by military defeat and unconditional surrender, not through a negotiated settlement.


The Allies insisted on no negotiation whatsoever.
The German government tried to arrange a separate peace with the Western Allies while continuing to fight the Soviets — but the Allies refused.
In the end, Germany was forced into total, unconditional surrender. There was no middle ground, no negotiated terms.

The Allies deliberately avoided any kind of negotiated settlement because of World War I, they believed that deal had allowed Germany to claim it wasn’t truly defeated and had contributed to World War II.

Japan’s situation was similar: the Allies demanded unconditional surrender in the Potsdam Declaration.
After the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, plus the Soviet Union’s declaration of war against Japan, Japan agreed to surrender.
Japan requested one condition — that the Emperor could remain as a symbolic leader. The Allies accepted this interpretation.
Japan’s surrender was formally signed on September 2, 1945, aboard the USS Missouri in Tokyo.

[Solkern]

Trump just slapped a 50% tariff on all Indian imports because they keep buying more Russian oil.

Which is odd, you would think Trump, the supposed Russian asset, would be cheering India on. Instead he is risking alienating a US ally and fucking over their economy because they are directly helping Russia.

So weird.

India is not an ally of the U.S., A strategic partner at best.

[Gelston]

Yeah, no for Germany, and not really for Japan as their ONLY condition was purely symbolic and would have probably surrendered anyways if the allies said fuck no.

Germany did not negotiate peace terms.
The Allies (United States, United Kingdom, Soviet Union, and others) demanded unconditional surrender — meaning Germany had no bargaining power.
Adolf Hitler committed suicide on April 30, 1945.
Germany surrendered unconditionally on May 7–8, 1945.
The surrender documents were signed in Reims, France, and then again in Berlin for the Soviets.

So, Germany’s end came by military defeat and unconditional surrender, not through a negotiated settlement.


The Allies insisted on no negotiation whatsoever.
The German government tried to arrange a separate peace with the Western Allies while continuing to fight the Soviets — but the Allies refused.
In the end, Germany was forced into total, unconditional surrender. There was no middle ground, no negotiated terms.

The Allies deliberately avoided any kind of negotiated settlement because of World War I, they believed that deal had allowed Germany to claim it wasn’t truly defeated and had contributed to World War II.

Japan’s situation was similar: the Allies demanded unconditional surrender in the Potsdam Declaration.
After the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, plus the Soviet Union’s declaration of war against Japan, Japan agreed to surrender.
Japan requested one condition — that the Emperor could remain as a symbolic leader. The Allies accepted this interpretation.
Japan’s surrender was formally signed on September 2, 1945, aboard the USS Missouri in Tokyo.

So like, there were still leaders from both sides that talked right?

[Solkern]

So like, there were still leaders from both sides that talked right?

…? Talking and negotiating are two completely different things.

With Germany, there was no negotiation whatsoever. It was total unconditional surrender. The allies refused any form of negotiation.

With Japan, if you want to call them begging for one symbolic thing to remain, negotiating… that’s up to you.