#winning

[ClydeR]

The U.S. and Ukraine have agreed on the terms of a draft minerals deal central to Kyiv's push to win Washington's support as President Donald Trump seeks to rapidly end the war with Russia, two sources with knowledge of the matter said on Tuesday.

Isn't that the same thing that happened with Persia after World War II? They were coerced into signing away their natural resources in exchange for guarantees of peace. And everybody lived happily ever after.

[ClydeR]

[QUOTE=Solkern;2315788]The autocrat added that Russian and American negotiating teams hadnÂ’t discussed ending the war, either, during a meeting in Saudi Arabia last week./QUOTE]

If they weren't talking about tending the war, what were they talking about?

[Suppressed Poet]

Isn't that the same thing that happened with Persia after World War II? They were coerced into signing away their natural resources in exchange for guarantees of peace. And everybody lived happily ever after.

What in the hell are you talking about? Do you even know? Did you just make this up or are you repeating some dumb narrative you heard today?

[Suppressed Poet]

[QUOTE=ClydeR;2315792]

The autocrat added that Russian and American negotiating teams hadnÂ’t discussed ending the war, either, during a meeting in Saudi Arabia last week./QUOTE]

If they weren't talking about tending the war, what were they talking about?

Tend deez nuts.

[Suppressed Poet]

Meanwhile, Ukrainian officials have said Kyiv has agreed a framework for an economic deal with the US which will see them trade rights to rare minerals in exchange for continued aid.

The deal sets out the terms to create a new fund to invest in Ukraine's minerals, rare earth materials and other valuable natural resources.

It no longer contains an initial demand by the United States for a right to $500bn (£394bn) in potential revenue from the resources.

This deal is laying the ground work for further assistance to Ukraine with a possibility of more weapons, it has nothing to do with ending the war.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-a...-kyiv-13317021

On top of that.

https://us.yahoo.com/news/vladimir-p...225637363.html

“I am in serious discussions with President Vladimir Putin of Russia concerning the ending of the War, and also major Economic Development transactions which will take place between the United States and Russia,” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social. “Talks are proceeding very well!”


During remarks on Russian state television Monday, Putin said he had yet to have any detailed talks with Trump about ending the conflict in Ukraine, according to the Associated Press.

The autocrat added that Russian and American negotiating teams hadnÂ’t discussed ending the war, either, during a meeting in Saudi Arabia last week.


Didn’t he say over and over again that this war would be over on day 1 of his presidency?

I don’t know what Putin is telling his people or the motives behind it, but it sounds to me like we are very close to a ceasefire and resolution.

Let me ask you this…if the war ends this week or next week, are you still going to complain that Trump didn’t solve this on day 1, or will you be satisfied that he was able to negotiate peace where Biden could not?

[Parkbandit]

I don’t know what Putin is telling his people or the motives behind it, but it sounds to me like we are very close to a ceasefire and resolution.

Let me ask you this…if the war ends this week or next week, are you still going to complain that Trump didn’t solve this on day 1, or will you be satisfied that he was able to negotiate peace where Biden could not?

He will give credit to Biden for ending the war... since Kamala was the Ukraine Czar.

[ClydeR]

What in the hell are you talking about? Do you even know? Did you just make this up or are you repeating some dumb narrative you heard today?

You wouldn't believe it if I told you. But I will anyway. During WW2, the Allies and Soviets invaded Persia, or Iran, and overthrew its government so that the country could be used as a supply route and to control its oil. After the war, Iran's oil interests were divided between the Soviets and mostly British companies on terms that were highly unfavorable to Iran. Iran began to democratize. They had open elections with a secular, progressive government, including elected women who spoke and were respected members of Parliament. The government, among other things, wanted to nationalize its oil resources, taking them back from foreign powers. Because of potential disruption of oil supplies, the CIA orchestrated the overthrow of Iran's democratic government and replaced that government with a brutal dictator, who was hated so much that he was overthrown by the revolutionaries who control and oppress Iran today. This short summary leaves out a lot of interesting plot twists! It's a sad tale, but fascinating and, more importantly, cautionary.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Meanwhile...

I could GAF what happens to Ukraine, but getting something out of them is winning.

Didn’t he say over and over again that this war would be over on day 1 of his presidency?

He did, yes. Are you happy it is taking him longer because T-T-T-Trump!?

[Solkern]

I don’t know what Putin is telling his people or the motives behind it, but it sounds to me like we are very close to a ceasefire and resolution.

Let me ask you this…if the war ends this week or next week, are you still going to complain that Trump didn’t solve this on day 1, or will you be satisfied that he was able to negotiate peace where Biden could not?

It sounded like they were close to a ceasefire and resolution, according to who? Trump? Because in Russia news and media and from the president of Russia himself, they didn’t discuss shit, and he said it openly on TV, and not behind closed doors.
We both know Trump is a pathological liar, and he’s lying about this as well.

How can you be close to a ceasefire when one of the countries involved wasn’t involved in the “discussion”?

You act like it’s America and Russia at war, and needing a ceasefire and resolution…pretty sure Ukraine needs to be in the talks for it to happen, cause you know.. they are the ones fighting?

That’s like your wife and your kid’s teacher planning a fantastic trip to Disney world for a week for you and the kids, on your dime.

Doesn’t work that way.

[Suppressed Poet]

It sounded like they were close to a ceasefire and resolution, according to who? Trump? Because in Russia news and media and from the president of Russia himself, they didn’t discuss shit, and he said it openly on TV, and not behind closed doors.
We both know Trump is a pathological liar, and he’s lying about this as well.

How can you be close to a ceasefire when one of the countries involved wasn’t involved in the “discussion”?

You act like it’s America and Russia at war, and needing a ceasefire and resolution…pretty sure Ukraine needs to be in the talks for it to happen, cause you know.. they are the ones fighting?

That’s like your wife and your kid’s teacher planning a fantastic trip to Disney world for a week for you and the kids, on your dime.

Doesn’t work that way.

Give it a week or two. One of us is wrong.

I’m going to give it to you straight: Ukraine has no leverage. They can’t continue without the support of the USA, and Europe to a lesser extent. They have been a useful meat grinder against our mortal enemy but that usefulness is beginning to fade along with their military aged males. It’s time to make peace. They will do what we (USA and Europe to a lesser extent) tell them to do, else they will get steamrolled by Russia when their support is cut off.