What do grunts do when the "paper tiger" Russia is dropping ICBM's on their head at MACH 10?Originally Posted by Gelston
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What do grunts do when the "paper tiger" Russia is dropping ICBM's on their head at MACH 10?
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duck and cover.
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Same shit they do when getting shelled by 152mm HE, 82mm mortar HE or any other ordinance, they go to ground and seek cover. You know we have ways to shoot those things down, don't you? Also, how many ICBMs do you think they have? They are shitty to face, for sure but really, they are super expensive and only for very high value targets. It's a fear tactic that only works against those directly under fire and dumb people.
Russia facing US troops in a war would look a whole lot different than the Ukraine - Russia conflict. Single biggest change, every significant military target within 1000+ miles would be targeted from the air long before troops engage. It's a tried and effective tactic and we like it a lot.
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So effective that we haven't won a war since WW2.
Will you be sending your children or grandchildren off to fight in the trenches of eastern Europe? You know they will come back in a box, right?
The lifespan of a Ukrainian soldier is 4 hours RN.
https://www.businessinsider.com/east...grinder-2023-2
What weapons system do we have that will take down an object moving at 10x the speed of sound?
Last edited by Neveragain; 11-24-2024 at 01:15 PM.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. ~ Marcus Aurelius“It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.”
― George Orwell, 1984
“The urge to shout filthy words at the top of his voice was as strong as ever.”
― George Orwell, 1984
We haven't been in a declared war since WW2.
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Exactly, we've been in conflicts where we spend ungodly amounts of money then hand the place right back.
What made any of you think this was going to be any different?
Don't mean to hurt your pride, but, our military command and control sucks.
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― George Orwell, 1984
“The urge to shout filthy words at the top of his voice was as strong as ever.”
― George Orwell, 1984
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The US has not been in a declared war since WWII. But, for shits and giggles, let's look at combat since then.
Korea, the US did not fully commit, we faced the full brunt of the Chinese military at the time supported by Soviet military and equipment. We fought them from a crippling initial attack back to winning and holding ground and a political standstill. The military won in the end by pretty much every military measure of victory. That's why MacArther wanted to go ahead at go into China to end the Chinese threat. The politicians said no, he lost his job. He was right.
Vietnam, the US went in under dubious treaty obligations and again, from the military stand point won every major battle, absorbed every major offensive and beat the VC and Chinese into the dirt. Again, politics "lost" the war there though again, the military won every significant engagement by every meaningful measure. Had the politicians not abandoned our allies and reneged on the like for like replacement pledge, Vietnam would not have had to suffer for decades under Communist rule.
Kuwait and then Iraq, no matter what you think about how we got there, the military won and stomped the shit out of a numerically larger force with modern equipment and infrastructure. They were the epitome of the Soviet military structure and philosophy, they were armed with top of the line Soviet/Russian equipment other than air force and they got roflstomped into paste. They used ICBMs, every scummy tactic, had chemical weapons and so on. They still lost by every measure of loss there is even in an urban environment in some of the worst city fighting US troops have faced since WWII.
Afghanistan. Again, the military won every major objective, every major conflict and waged a war against a gorilla force, hampered by political BS (come on now, hiding across border in our "ally" Pakistan only to cross the border to attack us and we can't go get you, political bullshit) and still roflstomped the fuck out of them with insanely small losses given the environment.
When it comes to ships, the Russian navy is just a bunch of targets to our sub fleet. They had a lot of subs, they have never caught up to our ability to track them despite defense contractors selling secrets and so on. China isn't even in the same book militarily much less the same page.
Let me make this absolutely, abundantly and glaring clear so that you and all the chucklefucks here can understand.
Biden put us into this war so his defense contractor puppet masters, among others could make bank. I want out of it. I hate war, it's just about the most horrible thing we humans do to do each other.
Ukraine is a corrupt shithole of politics and stupidity. They were stupid after the fall of the USSR. They had enough nuclear arsenal to be the #3 nuclear power in the world and the people and skills to maintain it. They gave it up on promises from Russia, the US and UK that they would be safe. Look what happened.
If we can't end this quickly, we will, sooner or later, be committing troops on the ground much more than the current crop of "advisers." Should that happen, I am an advocate for complete, total and unrestrained war. If we get into a shooting war with Russia, China and North Korea, we should, from the start, go full out. No stepped response, no measured force, we should go all out from the beginning to wipe them and their shitbag, communist, governments off the face of the earth. We should be so violent, destructive and horrible in a war that our own allies beg us to stop. Our enemies should be so beaten that to mention raising a stick against an American should make them break out in a cold sweat.
We had the opportunity on my father's generation to put this threat down, unify the world and keep our kids safe. We failed because of lack of will.
If Russia nukes anyone or anything. Hell, if anyone deploys a nuke first, they should get wiped from the face of the earth. Doesn't even have to be with nukes. Mutually Assured Destruction works only if you have the will to do it, otherwise you are just a windbag with a jelly spine.
So yes, if certain things happen I am just fine sending our kids to go kill an existential threat to America, secure the Freedoms and rights our forefathers fought for for us and our posterity from now until the sun goes dark.
And if I was in charge, I would make the decision. And then I would be there when the coffins came home to cry over them. And then I would thank the American people for their sacrifice and teach them how and why it's important. I am a great proponent of the following:
“If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace; and this single reflection, well applied, is sufficient to awaken every man to duty.”
― Thomas Paine, The Crisis
As too taking down ICBMs, look at things like Aegis SM-3 Block IIA. The latest version of the Patriot. And I am sure there are several things that are not declassified enough that us civies can even know their names.
BTW, I also think that if you take an American hostage as a terrorist, you should die, publicly, spectacularly, and as quickly as it can be made to happen. Again, to safeguard Americans now and into the future.
Last edited by ~Rocktar~; 11-24-2024 at 02:55 PM.
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An actual declaredd war would be way different from anything either of us have been alive for. All means of production would shift to military, the draft would be in effect, and we'd fight until the enemy was annihilated. You are comparing a declared war to policing actions that require constant Congressional oversight.
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It's not our military that sucks.. is our politicians.
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^^ This is correct.
Though to be fair, in peacetime, the military gets a lot of dead wood in the chain of command that are more politicians than war fighters and it can be hard to get them out. Which is part of why DEI in the military needs to be a clarion call for retirement/the boot. Our military has one job, to kill people and break things and anything that causes a problem with that doesn't need to be in the military.
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"It took 2000 mules to install one Jackass." Diamond and Silk Watch the Movie
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