Frozen Babies in Alabama

[ClydeR]

As you surely heard by now, the Alabama Supreme Court ruled that extra frozen embryos from fertilization treatments are people, and they said anybody who destroys one can be charged with homicide. But they haven't said what should happen to the frozen babies that they granted personhood. Are their parents committing a crime by keeping them frozen? If their parents die, will the frozen babies get a cut of the inheritance?

This is what the Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court wrote in his official opinion in the case..

In summary, the theologically based view of the sanctity of life adopted by the People of Alabama encompasses the following: (1) God made every person in His image; (2) each person therefore has a value that far exceeds the ability of human beings to calculate; and (3) human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God, who views the destruction of His image as an affront to Himself. Section 36.06 recognizes that this is true of unborn human life no less than it is of all other human life -- that even before birth, all human beings bear the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory.

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[Tgo01]

and they said anybody who destroys one can be charged with homicide.

No. No the supreme court didn't say that. What they said was under the Alabama "Wrongful Death of a Minor Act", parents can sue if their child is wrongfully killed, even if that child is an embryo that is located outside of a womb.

You can disagree with the court's decision all you like, but is it too much to ask for you to get at least the very basics of the case right?

[~Rocktar~]

You can disagree with the court's decision all you like, but is it too much to ask for you to get at least the very basics of the case right?

You know it is . . .

[Neveragain]

As you surely heard by now, the Alabama Supreme Court ruled that extra frozen embryos from fertilization treatments are people, and they said anybody who destroys one can be charged with homicide. But they haven't said what should happen to the frozen babies that they granted personhood. Are their parents committing a crime by keeping them frozen? If their parents die, will the frozen babies get a cut of the inheritance?

This is what the Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court wrote in his official opinion in the case..

Was there ever a time when one group of human beings granted another group of human beings "personhood" and were they affiliated with any political party?

[ClydeR]

Feb 22 (Reuters) - At least three Alabama providers of in vitro fertilization have halted treatments since the state Supreme Court on Friday said frozen embryos in test tubes should be considered children, casting doubt on future access to the procedure in the state.

The ruling by the court, whose elected judges are all Republican, has left doctors and patients wondering how to legally store, transport, and use embryos in Alabama.

Health advocates say by enshrining the idea of "fetal personhood," the ruling could also inspire further restrictions on women's reproductive freedom around the United States.

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They have a new excruciating nitrogen gas method of executing killers in Alabama. Nobody is going to risk it. If you can't have a baby in the normal way, then you need to move somewhere else.

[Neveragain]

If you can't have a baby in the normal way, then you need to move somewhere else.

Not having humans is better than killing humans.

I don't support capital punishment, sooo, not sure what you're argument is.

[Suppressed Poet]

They have a new excruciating nitrogen gas method of executing killers in Alabama. Nobody is going to risk it. If you can't have a baby in the normal way, then you need to move somewhere else.

You don’t live in Alabama. As a middle aged gama male, society has judged for the survival of the human race that your genes should not be passed down to the next generation. Therefore, I struggle to understand why you are so worked up about this. It has absolutely 0 impact to you personally.

[Suppressed Poet]

Not having humans is better than killing humans.

I don't support capital punishment, sooo, not sure what you're argument is.

I’m not sure ClydeR knows what his argument is, but I’d wager he is having a good cry.

[Tgo01]

They have a new excruciating nitrogen gas method of executing killers in Alabama. Nobody is going to risk it. If you can't have a baby in the normal way, then you need to move somewhere else.

I'll give you a quarter pass for this one because you didn't specifically say that the court enshrined "fetal personhood" in this case, but you're still 75% responsible because you went out of your way to find a dumb article that understands the issue less than even you do apparently.

The court didn't enshrine "fetal personhood" in this case. Once again, all the supreme court did was say the "Wrongful Death of a Minor Act" law doesn't make an exception for an embryo located outside of the womb, thus IN THE CASE OF THIS ONE SPECIFIC LAW, an embryo is considered a child and thus a lawsuit can be brought against the hospital for the wrongful death of their children. You see, this is how courts are supposed to operate: they read and interpret the law to decide if the law is constitutional and they also decide what the law does and does not say. They don't act like Democrats when they control the US supreme court and just create law out of thin air.

The Alabama congress can just as easily make an amendment to this law tomorrow which states embryos located outside of the womb don't count as a child in regards to the "Wrongful Death of a Minor Act" and the Alabama supreme court would presumably say "Okay that's fine."

Once again, you can disagree with the ruling all you like, but can you get the very basics right before you go around spreading literal fake news?

Also these lawsuits were brought about because these families trusted this hospital to safeguard their embryos and protect them. Instead they allowed a patient to wander around the hospital and access the freezer where the embryos were being stored and the patient killed several embryos. The hospital didn't have a secured area only accessible by employees by a locked door and keypad, the freezer didn't have a lock on it, apparently they didn't even bother to have a security guard to make sure patients didn't just start opening up freezer doors.

You people are more upset that the Alabama supreme court said the law as written doesn't make an exception for embryos than you are at the hospital for not even having the most basic of safeguards in place to ensure this didn't happen in the first place.

[Parkbandit]

you went out of your way to find a dumb article that understands the issue less than even you do apparently.

Have you even read a ClydeR post before in the past 20 years?

This is all he does.