Tyranny of the ATF

[Seran]

Sure. There is plenty of evidence on that topic, but probably the best is from Alexander Hamilton. He wrote this in Federalist papers which predates the Bill of Rights:



And also:

That's cute, but Alexander Hamilton may have been a Constitutional Convention delegate, but he played little part in drafting the Constitution. He wasn't even one of the original drafters of the 23 approved articles written. The fact he wrote about it afterwards in the Federalist Papers is moot.

[Suppressed Poet]

That's cute, but Alexander Hamilton may have been a Constitutional Convention delegate, but he played little part in drafting the Constitution. He wasn't even one of the original drafters of the 23 approved articles written. The fact he wrote about it afterwards in the Federalist Papers is moot.

The Federalist Papers were written before the ratification of the Constitution, but ok. I don’t believe you are open to logic of reason. I can’t fix stupid.

You a Star Wars fan? Ever see Revenge of the Sith? You know when Palpatine takes over and reorganizes the Republic as a Galactic Empire, do you find yourself cheering with thunderous applause? I bet you must think to yourself immediately after that scene “there are entirely too many rebel scum running around with unregistered blasters & lightsabers”.

[Methais]

That's cute, but Alexander Hamilton may have been a Constitutional Convention delegate, but he played little part in drafting the Constitution. He wasn't even one of the original drafters of the 23 approved articles written. The fact he wrote about it afterwards in the Federalist Papers is moot.

Right, because some soy based NPC bot who can barely construct a coherent sentence 90% of the time like yourself totally knows better than someone like Alexander Hamilton.

[Seran]

The Federalist Papers were written before the ratification of the Constitution, but ok. I don’t believe you are open to logic of reason. I can’t fix stupid.

You claimed the second amendment was written on the basis of an altercation with the British and cited one of the Federalist papers. This proved false because the constitution wasn't drafted by the Hamilton, and his 'opinion piece' followed the drafting by the Framers and the signatures of all of the delegates. Now you wanna split hairs because it was still pending ratification, ignoring the fact the constitution wasn't amended prior to said ratification. Stop being a loser and just admit you were wrong.

[Suppressed Poet]

You claimed the second amendment was written on the basis of an altercation with the British and cited one of the Federalist papers. This proved false because the constitution wasn't drafted by the Hamilton, and his 'opinion piece' followed the drafting by the Framers and the signatures of all of the delegates. Now you wanna split hairs because it was still pending ratification, ignoring the fact the constitution wasn't amended prior to said ratification. Stop being a loser and just admit you were wrong.

By all means Seran, since you are so knowledgeable on the subject and are making the argument that the 2nd Amendment has no historical context tied to the events of the American Revolution, why did our founders write that in the Bill of Rights and ratify in 1791?

(Federalist papers were published in 1788, also included James Madison & John Jay, and were specifically written to promote the ratification of the Constitution for context. Alexander Hamilton should be your hero as he advocated for the necessity of a strong federal government as opposed to a loose confederacy of states)

Did the third amendment also have nothing to do with the Revolution and the Quartering Act the British passed in 1765? How about the 1st Amendment or the 4th Amendment for that matter? It seems to me that the Bill of Rights was specifically written to limit the power of the federal government and acknowledge definitive liberties of the people since those were not afforded when America was a British colony, but let’s hear your take on it.

[Suppressed Poet]

Separate question for you Seran. If Trump took over as a dictator, suspended the Constitution & all elements of democracy, and all your worst fears came true…would you be better or worse off owning and knowing how to use one of those scary assault weapons of war? Would it be a problem in that situation if only Trump’s federally employed loyalists were the only ones that had access to firearms?

[Parkbandit]

Separate question for you Seran. If Trump took over as a dictator, suspended the Constitution & all elements of democracy, and all your worst fears came true…would you be better or worse off owning and knowing how to use one of those scary assault weapons of war? Would it be a problem in that situation if only Trump’s federally employed loyalists were the only ones that had access to firearms?

His limp wrist will snap like a twig if he ever shot a gun.

[Methais]

Stop being a loser and just admit you were wrong.

I'd like to submit this quote as an entry to be permanently displayed in the Fail Wing of the Internet Smithsonian for its incredible lack of self awareness.

[Suppressed Poet]

I'd like to submit this quote as an entry to be permanently displayed in the Fail Wing of the Internet Smithsonian for its incredible lack of self awareness.

He really stabbed my heart deep with that zinger.

Seran, I thought we were friends bro? What the hell?

[Seran]

By all means Seran, since you are so knowledgeable on the subject and are making the argument that the 2nd Amendment has no historical context tied to the events of the American Revolution, why did our founders write that in the Bill of Rights and ratify in 1791?

(Federalist papers were published in 1788, also included James Madison & John Jay, and were specifically written to promote the ratification of the Constitution for context. Alexander Hamilton should be your hero as he advocated for the necessity of a strong federal government as opposed to a loose confederacy of states)

Did the third amendment also have nothing to do with the Revolution and the Quartering Act the British passed in 1765? How about the 1st Amendment or the 4th Amendment for that matter? It seems to me that the Bill of Rights was specifically written to limit the power of the federal government and acknowledge definitive liberties of the people since those were not afforded when America was a British colony, but let’s hear your take on it.

Again, the publishing of the Federalist Papers followed the drafting and signing of the Constitution, quit trying to argue they had any impact on it's signing.

Everything else is just speculation on your part, which you're welcome to, but I'll not waste my time on arguing what amounts to little more than your point of view.