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    During President Donald Trump's tenure, the United States participated in several ongoing military conflicts and operations. While these may not be classified as traditional "wars," they did involve the deployment of U.S. military forces. Some of the notable military operations and conflicts that involved U.S. military participation during Trump's presidency include:


    1. Afghanistan: The U.S. continued its involvement in the long-running war in Afghanistan, which began in 2001.


    2. Iraq: U.S. forces remained in Iraq to support the Iraqi government in its fight against ISIS and conduct counterterrorism operations.


    3. Syria: The U.S. was involved in the conflict against ISIS in Syria and also conducted military operations against the Assad regime.


    4. Yemen: The U.S. provided support to Saudi Arabia and its coalition partners in the conflict in Yemen against Houthi rebels.


    5. Counterterrorism operations: U.S. military forces were engaged in counterterrorism efforts in various countries, including Somalia, Libya, and Niger.


    It's important to note that the level and nature of U.S. military involvement varied in each of these conflicts and operations. While U.S. troops were deployed in these regions, these situations may not meet the traditional criteria for declaring full-scale wars. Instead, they often involved counterterrorism efforts, training and advising local forces, and supporting partner nations in their conflicts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anebriated View Post
    You want him to be at fault so bad... I cant believe we have to keep going down this road. Tell me how much involvement do we have with Ethiopia? Now tell me how involved are we with Ukraine and Israel? There is a very real line of delineation here and it comes down to our hands are in these current situations vs what you are trying to lay at Trumps feet. Im sorry that everything has to be so cut and dry for you and you are incapable of seeing the reality of the situation. THE BIDEN FAMILY IS DIRECTLY INVESTED IN UKRAINE. Can you really not see how that is different than a re-escalation of a civil war from the 90's?

    As for what Trump would have done differently its pretty simple. He would have shut down Ukraines bid to join NATO and given up the bio-labs(that hunter is profiting from). If its real, he would have shut down the baby factories too. Basically he wouldn't have supported and sent weapons and money the Nazi's.
    No, I don’t want him to be at fault because he’s not, just like Biden isn’t at fault for Russia invading Ukraine and what’s happening in Israel.

    Next Biden’s family isn’t “directly” invested in Ukraine, just like Trump isn’t “directly” invested in Russia.
    Biden’s son worked for a Ukrainian company, just like Jared has business dealings with the Middle East that are turning our backs on us, as you so like to put it, why aren’t you worried about that?




    Anebriated, let’s clear one thing up since you and republicans can’t seem to get your heads wrap around this.

    Biden wasn’t the one the to remove the Viktor Shokin, you really need to understand that. Biden was responsible for delivering the news/message/ultimatum or whatever you want to call it, but it wasn’t his decision, his call or his choice. He was following the orders he was given. You republicans like to think it was his call and his decision, when it wasn’t.

    Joe Biden leveraged aid to remove top prosecutor as part anti-corruption efforts

    It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. But it wasn't because Shokin was investigating Burisma. It was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians.

    It was a decision to leverage the aid by the American government and our European allies. It wasn’t just Biden.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...or/5991434002/

    the International Monetary Fund — which threatened to delay $40 billion in aid for similar reasons — and others with the prosecutor's removal.

    the claim that Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion from Ukraine to save his son's job is FALSE. The then-vice president leveraged aid dollars to persuade the country to oust its top prosecutor as part of anti-corruption efforts endorsed by other international players that were unrelated to his son, Hunter Biden.

    You should read about it.

    Read this one as well:
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...or/3785620002/

    You might learn the facts of it, instead of spouting shit that is just not true. Like for example:

    Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.

    Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau. The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

    Facts do matter, a timeline is important. Shokin NEVER investigated Burisma when Hunter was there, or after he was there. He investigated the company two years before Hunter even arrived.

    Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev.

    "Civil society organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation," Kaleniuk said, "but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to go."

    The EU was threatening to withhold 40 billion dollars, FOURTY BILLION DOLLARS while Biden was threatening to withhold 1billion.




    Next,
    Trump was actively trying to pursue multiple business dealings in Russia for millions and millions of dollars, don’t you think it’s a little suspicious that the president of the United States had previous dealings in Russia, and was continuing to try to do more business dealings in Russia?

    Regarding the biolabs, do you even know where that story originated from? I bet you don’t, let me help you it came from RIA Novosti, Russian state-owned domestic news agency, Russia’s biggest propaganda machine. You seriously find that source credible? Even the Russians don’t believe it yet here you are believing it… lol? On top of that, it was proven to be false.

    You talk about Nazis there’s literally one small group of Nazis in Ukraine, we have more Nazis in America than Ukraine, and you have no problem, arming them and give me them guns? On top of that the President of Ukraine is a Jew.
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    Biden and the current administration are 100% at fault...

    Just as Obama and Biden were when Russia invaded in 2014...

    Everyone who for 6+ years clamored about Trump starting WW3... Just don't want to admit they're fucking morons and hate someone for his Tweets and what the "media" fills their head with...

    It's all good though... everything going according to plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaps View Post
    Biden and the current administration are 100% at fault...

    Just as Obama and Biden were when Russia invaded in 2014...

    Everyone who for 6+ years clamored about Trump starting WW3... Just don't want to admit they're fucking morons and hate someone for his Tweets and what the "media" fills their head with...

    It's all good though... everything going according to plan.
    Keep telling yourself those lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    No, I don’t want him to be at fault because he’s not, just like Biden isn’t at fault for Russia invading Ukraine and what’s happening in Israel.

    Next Biden’s family isn’t “directly” invested in Ukraine, just like Trump isn’t “directly” invested in Russia.
    Biden’s son worked for a Ukrainian company, just like Jared has business dealings with the Middle East that are turning our backs on us, as you so like to put it, why aren’t you worried about that?




    Anebriated, let’s clear one thing up since you and republicans can’t seem to get your heads wrap around this.

    Biden wasn’t the one the to remove the Viktor Shokin, you really need to understand that. Biden was responsible for delivering the news/message/ultimatum or whatever you want to call it, but it wasn’t his decision, his call or his choice. He was following the orders he was given. You republicans like to think it was his call and his decision, when it wasn’t.

    Joe Biden leveraged aid to remove top prosecutor as part anti-corruption efforts

    It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. But it wasn't because Shokin was investigating Burisma. It was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians.

    It was a decision to leverage the aid by the American government and our European allies. It wasn’t just Biden.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...or/5991434002/

    the International Monetary Fund — which threatened to delay $40 billion in aid for similar reasons — and others with the prosecutor's removal.

    the claim that Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion from Ukraine to save his son's job is FALSE. The then-vice president leveraged aid dollars to persuade the country to oust its top prosecutor as part of anti-corruption efforts endorsed by other international players that were unrelated to his son, Hunter Biden.

    You should read about it.

    Read this one as well:
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...or/3785620002/

    You might learn the facts of it, instead of spouting shit that is just not true. Like for example:

    Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.

    Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau. The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

    Facts do matter, a timeline is important. Shokin NEVER investigated Burisma when Hunter was there, or after he was there. He investigated the company two years before Hunter even arrived.

    Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev.

    "Civil society organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation," Kaleniuk said, "but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to go."

    The EU was threatening to withhold 40 billion dollars, FOURTY BILLION DOLLARS while Biden was threatening to withhold 1billion.




    Next,
    Trump was actively trying to pursue multiple business dealings in Russia for millions and millions of dollars, don’t you think it’s a little suspicious that the president of the United States had previous dealings in Russia, and was continuing to try to do more business dealings in Russia?

    Regarding the biolabs, do you even know where that story originated from? I bet you don’t, let me help you it came from RIA Novosti, Russian state-owned domestic news agency, Russia’s biggest propaganda machine. You seriously find that source credible? Even the Russians don’t believe it yet here you are believing it… lol? On top of that, it was proven to be false.

    You talk about Nazis there’s literally one small group of Nazis in Ukraine, we have more Nazis in America than Ukraine, and you have no problem, arming them and give me them guns? On top of that the President of Ukraine is a Jew.
    This is a lot of words for saying Biden leveraged his sons job to remove the prosecutor.

    Having a Hotel or clothing line is different than being part owner of a biolab who is accused of creating biological weapons. Oh and he also invested in a pandemic response company... How convenient.

    https://www.peoplesworld.org/article...n%20propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anebriated View Post
    This is a lot of words for saying Biden leveraged his sons job to remove the prosecutor.

    Having a Hotel or clothing line is different than being part owner of a biolab who is accused of creating biological weapons. Oh and he also invested in a pandemic response company... How convenient.

    https://www.peoplesworld.org/article...n%20propaganda.

    The Nazi's in America should be eradicated as well. Period.
    Leveraged him for what? The dude never even investigated his son, or the company when Hunter was there. You should get your facts straight.

    Or you can continue to bury your head in the sand and ignore facts, truth, and the timeline.

    Burisma was investigated from 2010-2012. Hunter joined in 2014, Shokin removed in 2016, with zero investigations after the initial one, or attempts to investigate.

    Next, I never said there weren’t bio labs in Ukraine, they just had nothing to do with Burisma, or the Biden family.
    And we weren’t creating biological weapons in Ukraine, Ukraine has level three bio labs and lower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anebriated View Post
    This is a lot of words for saying Biden leveraged his sons job to remove the prosecutor.

    Having a Hotel or clothing line is different than being part owner of a biolab who is accused of creating biological weapons. Oh and he also invested in a pandemic response company... How convenient.

    https://www.peoplesworld.org/article...n%20propaganda.

    The Nazi's in America should be eradicated as well. Period.
    So please elaborate for me.

    You claim Biden fired the prosecutor to protect his son from an investigation.

    His son was never investigated at all.
    Burisma was investigated 2 years before he even arrived.
    Shokin made no request or attempts to investigate Burisma or Hunter since Hunter joined in 2014 or after the initial investigation completed in 2012.

    Those are the facts.

    So please tell me, why was the prosecutor fired for investigating Hunter Biden? When he was never investigated or attempted to be investigated? Please do tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    I already did that earlier, and Trump had 250+ wars started during his presidency or some shit, while Biden was at 130 or something. Methais asked me. We even talked about it remember?
    No, that was you harping about "armed conflicts" when I asked who the world was more peaceful overall under, which your entire answer was some weak screenshot of a google result to that didn't really say much of anything, and the actual numbers in the rulac.org link from said screenshot stopped after 2018 when I looked through it, which had you bothered to click or look at the actual site you would have seen this, all while you were trying to say that the world is more peaceful overall under Biden than it was under Trump:


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    I want the specific link you clicked, so that there is no confusion or differences in the numbers. Since you know, Google will give you 43724982374320 results for literally any search, and the contents of said results tend to have varying information in them.

    Should be a simple copy/paste, no? Sourcing your info is pretty commonplace and all.
    It was literally just this.
    Keep clicking back in the quotes if more context is needed.

    But anyway, how many WARS did Trump start again? Because random "armed conflicts" in Nigeria or whatever isn't it.
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