Tyranny of the ATF

[Suppressed Poet]

Another consideration is how does this practicality reduce gun violence & who is being targeted by this bill?

Convicted criminals don’t purchase firearms legally and won’t be paying this tax. Rich people can afford the tax and will be minimally impacted. The poor and working class law abiding citizens who seek to exercise their 2nd Amendment right is who really will suffer. This tax contributes to make the acquisition of firearms prohibitively expensive for the economically challenged. Think of it just like a poll tax to vote. The cherry on top is that this tax will be used to further fund gun control measures that work against those people from exercising their rights.

[Suppressed Poet]

That's dumb. Sales taxes, excise taxes, import fees, registration fees, etc., almost all of which have been in place long before you were born. Your argument is as unfounded as it is stupid. There is no caveat to the Constitution that lists an exception to taxation if someone views a product as a 'right'. Your examples don't even come close to being representative of a simple 11% tax on firearms to fund school protection. Stop being an ultra conservative sheep.

You know how they say in criminal court that a defendant has a right to council and government will grant them an attorney if they can’t afford one? Why is that? Perhaps government should charge a tax to anyone that makes use of a public defender, and it can be justified by that money to be used for some benevolent service like funding our schools. Would you be ok with that?

[Seran]

You know how they say in criminal court that a defendant has a right to council and government will grant them an attorney if they can’t afford one? Why is that? Perhaps government should charge a tax to anyone that makes use of a public defender, and it can be justified by that money to be used for some benevolent service like funding our schools. Would you be ok with that?

Taxes to fund government services and fees associated with court filings are also something not new in the last 100 years, so once again your hyperbolic statement is way off base. Your side has done way too much attacking or flagrant disregard of the Constitution for political expedience, now it's the Right to Counsel? Unbelievable.

[Suppressed Poet]

Taxes to fund government services and fees associated with court filings are also something not new in the last 100 years, so once again your hyperbolic statement is way off base. Your side has done way too much attacking or flagrant disregard of the Constitution for political expedience, now it's the Right to Counsel? Unbelievable.

Both sides and all states should follow & adhere to the US Constitution (all of it including those they may not like or find politically convenient), or we lack any common ground that binds us together as Americans. Newsom fully understands that this is a blatant violation. In addition to this one there were other gun control measures like naming pretty much every public place a sensitive area where the carry of a firearm is prohibited. This is petty retaliation for Benitez striking down magazines capacity limits.

If Gavin Newsom can do this and take advantage of the slow wheels of justice in our judicial system without any repercussions, other governors and officials can do the same for other Constitutional rights. Maybe some Republican governor may pass a law requiring a poll tax and literacy test requirement for voter registration (use some creative rebranding of it with a justification or intent to do good). My point is open defiance of SCOTUS and the Constitution is going to bring our country to a dark place. It’s time we either stand together on common ground laws, or face the consequences of a dying Republic.

[Seran]

Both sides and all states should follow & adhere to the US Constitution (all of it including those they may not like or find politically convenient), or we lack any common ground that binds us together as Americans. Newsom fully understands that this is a blatant violation. In addition to this one there were other gun control measures like naming pretty much every public place a sensitive area where the carry of a firearm is prohibited. This is petty retaliation for Benitez striking down magazines capacity limits.

If Gavin Newsom can do this and take advantage of the slow wheels of justice in our judicial system without any repercussions, other governors and officials can do the same for other Constitutional rights. Maybe some Republican governor may pass a law requiring a poll tax and literacy test requirement for voter registration (use some creative rebranding of it with a justification or intent to do good). My point is open defiance of SCOTUS and the Constitution is going to bring our country to a dark place. It’s time we either stand together on common ground laws, or face the consequences of a dying Republic.

You're arguing things specifically prescribed against in the Constitution will be adopted by Republican governors in retaliation for taxation and regulation which is specifically allowed by the Constitution. Wow..

Trump's arguing people should be executed without trial, that MSNBC should have it's ability to present in violation of the First Amendment, that the only fair trial he can receive is one that never happens. He was violating the emoluments clause his first year in office. The list goes on and on. Why do Republicans hate the Constitution?

[Suppressed Poet]

You're arguing things specifically prescribed against in the Constitution will be adopted by Republican governors in retaliation for taxation and regulation which is specifically allowed by the Constitution. Wow..

Trump's arguing people should be executed without trial, that MSNBC should have it's ability to present in violation of the First Amendment, that the only fair trial he can receive is one that never happens. He was violating the emoluments clause his first year in office. The list goes on and on. Why do Republicans hate the Constitution?

Not what I am saying at all. I’m trying to put things in perspective for you, which is obviously not possible. I will argue with you no further on the matter.

[Parkbandit]

Seems in line with the exorbitant taxes heaped on tobacco products over the years supposedly in an attempt to make them less appealing. Or... taxes on alcohol, or even taxes applied to sex work in NV, or legal weed in Colorado. How is this one thing uniquely immune to such taxation you've not previously objected to? Do these other taxes not defy our constitution?

Right on queue....

Edit: Before Seran or some other retard asks me how this is defying our Constitution…. It’s very simple. You cannot tax a right.

[Seran]

Not what I am saying at all. I’m trying to put things in perspective for you, which is obviously not possible. I will argue with you no further on the matter.

Your perspective is that irrelevancy is made relevant because you disagree with the Untied States Constitution. If you're unable to support you the premise of your own arguments, why make them at all?

[Parkbandit]

Your perspective is that irrelevancy is made relevant because you disagree with the Untied States Constitution. If you're unable to support you the premise of your own arguments, why make them at all?

He didn't say he couldn't support his own argument.. he's saying that having a debate on the argument with someone who has the IQ of a dead stalk of broccoli isn't worth the time it would take to explain it in the most basic and simplest terms imaginable.

[Seran]

He didn't say he couldn't support his own argument.. he's saying that having a debate on the argument with someone who has the IQ of a dead stalk of broccoli isn't worth the time it would take to explain it in the most basic and simplest terms imaginable.

On the contrary, demonstrating a heavy handed misunderstanding of the United States Constitution to decry taxation as an impingement of rights requires pretty epic amounts of mental gymnastics. Particularly when you consider an example was used, illustrative or no, that some sort of poll tax which is specifically not allowed by a constitutional amendment is the same as an excise tax, which is allowed, is reaching far far up ones own ass.