Tyranny of the ATF

[Parkbandit]

Maybe I want to buy one or more guns from my neighbor. This certainly makes that process more difficult. That’s an infringement. It’s really that simple.

What this is really about is the government wants to track and know who owns what firearm. That is why they previously went after “ghost guns” and that is why they are doing this. It has nothing to do with background checks, or preventing crime, or any of that. Gun control is about control, and it should be alarming to us all.

My hope is that the current Court sees multiple gun control cases so we can finally get some Constitutionally sound opinions from the Court. Then, people like Seran, will accept the opinions of the SCOTUS and feel comfort in knowing that everything is working as intended.

[Suppressed Poet]

LOL, 18 USC 923 pertains only to limiting the ability of the federal government to create registries of firearms owners, or transactions. The ATF rule you're crying about is limited to requiring individuals obtain a license as a firearms dealer and be subject to a background check, which isn't a contradiction the 923. Nice try tho!

Seran, do you have trouble remembering what you said in your last post? The great thing about it being in writing is you can go back and read it for yourself. Allow me to remind me on the stupid thing you said which is why I referenced that law.

It's your own stupidity you seem to be struggling to address, nothing in the Heller opinion limits the ability of the federal government to regulate the registry requirements of arms sales.

[Parkbandit]

What I still don’t understand how this “infringes” on your right to own a gun. Regarding going to a store, absolutely nothing has changed, zero.. it’s still the same exact process as before. The only difference is now private sellers need to get more paperwork.

Your complaint is. It infringes because private sellers need to be on par with licensed sellers? The ability to buy a gun hasn’t changed, at all. All that has changed is, now you need to have documents to buy a gun from private sellers, instead of zero documents.

This change doesn’t make it more difficult or time consuming to buy a gun at all, as I can just go to a gun store, like before the law and buy a gun.

You answered your own question.

[Suppressed Poet]

My hope is that the current Court sees multiple gun control cases so we can finally get some Constitutionally sound opinions from the Court. Then, people like Seran, will accept the opinions of the SCOTUS and feel comfort in knowing that everything is working as intended.

Yes. Many of the anti-gun states & the ATF are openly defying the Bruen standard & SCOTUS. They know they will lose eventually but are willing to waste tax dollars fighting it in court. Unfortunately the judicial system moves slowly.

[Methais]

You answered your own question.

Part 1 for context


The process to get the TV is still exactly the same, the only difference is that have to wear a tuxedo, crawl through a tiny door, deal with an alligator, etc.

[Suppressed Poet]

Part 1 for context


The process to get the TV is still exactly the same, the only difference is that have to wear a tuxedo, crawl through a tiny door, deal with an alligator, etc.

In Nazi Germany 1938, laws decreed that Jewish men must take the middle name ‘Israel’ and women ‘Sarah’. All German Jews would have their passports marked with a ‘J’.

But they didn’t say that Jews couldn’t travel! I don’t see any government infringement. It’s just a little paperwork and showing identification when “papers please” is demanded by the government. If it saves just one life it’s totally worth giving up a little freedom. -modern day far left logic

[Seran]

Seran, do you have trouble remembering what you said in your last post? The great thing about it being in writing is you can go back and read it for yourself. Allow me to remind me on the stupid thing you said which is why I referenced that law.

And the ATF ruling addresses specifically the registration for arms dealers, which isn't a contradiction of 18 USC 923, not quite sure where you're going with that beyond struggling with reading comprehension.

[Suppressed Poet]

And the ATF ruling addresses specifically the registration for arms dealers, which isn't a contradiction of 18 USC 923, not quite sure where you're going with that beyond struggling with reading comprehension.

You didn’t say registry of arms dealers. You said registry of arms sales.

Regarding the illegality of the ATF changing the definition of a dealer & making a new rule:

1) Bruen vs NY State Pistol Association: This restriction does not meet the standard of having the history, text, or tradition at the time the Bill of Rights was ratified.

2) Sackett vs EPA: This decision effectively ended the reliance of chevron deference doctrine that bureaucratic agencies can make up their own interpretation of the law & implement their own rules. The courts have the ultimate authority to interpret laws written by Congress, not the ATF.

We’ll see it play out in the courts. It just takes time.

[~Rocktar~]

My hope is that the current Court sees multiple gun control cases so we can finally get some Constitutionally sound opinions from the Court. Then, people like Seran, will accept the opinions of the SCOTUS and feel comfort in knowing that everything is working as intended.

Yeah, almost all of the current firearm cases in the courts today should have been settled by SCOTUS decisions back in the 1800s when they first came up. But nooooooooo, cowardly courts not wanting to take a position and clarifying the law along with shitbag legislators not stepping up. Just like most things, fail to address it the first time, it causes problems over and over again.

[Realk]

Not my hill not my fight, but I'll about the fact that it's clearly an overstep and allowing an inch they will eventually go a mile.