Things that made you Facepalm today (Political Version)

[Parkbandit]

This article is about carrying nonviable pregnancies to term to me. I do not want to discuss the amount of abortions vs babies born dead.

FTFY.

[Solkern]

Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. The State of Texas didn’t deny this woman an abortion. The doctor should have made an emergency medical exemption. What this woman had to endure was awful, but blaming it on Texas abortion laws doesn’t make sense to me.

“The plaintiffs are asking the courts to clarify when doctors can make medical exceptions to the state’s ban."

“I find it very telling that the state is claiming the doctors are to blame for not understanding exactly what is and what isn't considered legal in terms of when abortion is medically necessary. These women are now asking for clarification of when abortions are allowed and they won't even do that.

Looks like the law seems pretty vague according to these articles, but I haven’t read the law myself, so I can’t really comment on it from my perspective.

The punsihments are so draconian, from taking medical license away to tens of thousands of dollars in fine, to being procecuted for murder, that they rather be safe than sorry. How can you really blame the doctors?”

[Solkern]

I did indeed read the article.

Did you read the part about the doctor denying the procedure, and the State attorney’s argument that they have never once prosecuted any doctor for making the determination of a medical emergency exemption? Seems to me like the wrong party is being sued here.

“Well you wouldn't find any now would you? when every single doctor in the state is afraid to touch a patient because it could cost them hundreds of thousands in legal fees defending themselves, loss of license or worse....prison.”

That’s the issue.

[Parkbandit]

This is what the left gets when they kept pushing and pushing and pushing the limits of abortions.

I believe most normal people are ok with abortion as long as it's within reason. Personally, I believe 12-15 weeks is plenty of time. 6 weeks might be a little too early, but that's my opinion.

But when you have the left claiming it's the woman's body and they can do anything they want to the "clump of cells" up to and including birth.. then they become less normal and more inhumane.

Everything has an equilibrium.

[Parkbandit]

“Well you wouldn't find any now would you? when every single doctor in the state is afraid to touch a patient because it could cost them hundreds of thousands in legal fees defending themselves, loss of license or worse....prison.”

That’s the issue.

When someone uses the phrase "Every single".. it should throw up a red flag in your head.

There's no such thing as "every single" anything when it comes to human behavior.

[Solkern]

This is what the left gets when they kept pushing and pushing and pushing the limits of abortions.

I believe most normal people are ok with abortion as long as it's within reason. Personally, I believe 12-15 weeks is plenty of time. 6 weeks might be a little too early, but that's my opinion.

But when you have the left claiming it's the woman's body and they can do anything they want to the "clump of cells" up to and including birth.. then they become less normal and more inhumane.

Everything has an equilibrium.

Most liberals, or the left want 16-20 weeks, there are a few crazy that think to term is perfectly ok, which it’s not. The only time I think a late term abortion is ok, is if the mother’s life is at risk, or the baby isn’t going to live.

[Seran]

That is not what I was trying to imply at all. You are playing word salad games. I’m asking what specifically about the change in abortion law do you propose caused an increase in infant mortality rates at birth, especially since there are defined medical exemptions past the 6 week point of time.

You're asserting your own conjecture in opposition to Solkern's statement and made the declaration thatstatistical correlation is not causation. I appreciate that you're walking back your own post.

[Seran]

I did indeed read the article.

Did you read the part about the doctor denying the procedure, and the State attorney’s argument that they have never once prosecuted any doctor for making the determination of a medical emergency exemption? Seems to me like the wrong party is being sued here.

A lack of enforcement of a law that adds penalties for an act isn't a good argument the state has no skin in the game. No more than it is a valid argument to get out of a speeding ticket for exceeding the legally posted speed limit you've exceeded for months prior to finally pulled over and ticketed. A crime not observed is no less a crime in a law abiding society.

[Gelston]

You're asserting your own conjecture in opposition to Solkern's statement and made the declaration thatstatistical correlation is not causation. I appreciate that you're walking back your own post.

So, you don't have an actual answer, you just want to attack his wording... You are the last person that should be doing that, with all the formatting and spelling errors that plague nearly every post you ever make.

[Suppressed Poet]

“The plaintiffs are asking the courts to clarify when doctors can make medical exceptions to the state’s ban."

“I find it very telling that the state is claiming the doctors are to blame for not understanding exactly what is and what isn't considered legal in terms of when abortion is medically necessary. These women are now asking for clarification of when abortions are allowed and they won't even do that.

Looks like the law seems pretty vague according to these articles, but I haven’t read the law myself, so I can’t really comment on it from my perspective.

The punsihments are so draconian, from taking medical license away to tens of thousands of dollars in fine, to being procecuted for murder, that they rather be safe than sorry. How can you really blame the doctors?”

I can find common ground with you that Texas abortion laws could be more specific and use widely accepted medical terminology as to help eliminate any possible confusion.

On this doctor and this case, I call bullshit about not blaming the doctor. You and I are not doctors, but I think we can both agree a medical exemption was warranted & lawful according to the State’s law.