US Oil Producers Fail to Produce

[Neveragain]

You're referring to climate change? I would say the multi-year severe droughts being experienced by 90% of the entire west half of the United States speaks for itself there. I don't think that putting a veritable instantaneous stop on greenhouse gasses is even remote viable, even if the United States led that charge, countries like India and China more than make up the difference as emerging industrial power houses. No, I think putting some serious money into perfecting fusion power, biofuels or alternate fuels for industries where combustion is required.

I think the naysayers against electric vehicles are tilting at windmills though, with a Big Oil bumper sticker plastered right on their hairy Caucasian asses. There's a few dozen papers on both the Hubbard Peak and the growing scarcity of oil in oilfields that are played out, our country /will/ run out of oil and we can't wait for that to happen before replacements are perfected.

It's "Hubbert peak" a theory from 1956 that predicted oil production in the lower 48 states would peak by the 1970's. The theory has already been disproven with the Dakota oil discoveries.

Biofuels produce more CO2 through the lines of production. Environmentalists won't allow for more nuclear energy production.

You're referring to climate change? I would say the multi-year severe droughts being experienced by 90% of the entire west half of the United States speaks for itself there.

California does not = 90% of the western United States. I can't even recall the last time we had a drought in the mid-west, I would wager that the majority of the Louisiana territory has been rather drought free.

I would suggest that California isn't even experiencing a drought considering California is mainly a desert that they have been dumping water on for decades. Pretty much everything west of the continental divide has been a desert for thousands of years. Before the last glacial event the mid-west was a desert as well.

At this point the climate change alarmists are more like side-show palm readers.

[~Rocktar~]

Well, I am 52, I have heard all the cries of global warming, global cooling, climate change and all the doomsday scenarios since I was literally 6. That is the first time I read about it in Ranger Rick magazine as a kid. The polar ice caps have been melting and coastal cites would be inundated all the way to we have an impending ice age to the end of all human life in 12 years and everything in-between. Sad fact is, it's a cult whos leaders are lying to people to gain power and control. I have also head the BS about there are just X years of oil left and so on, also, all of them proven wrong again and again. Yes, theoretically, we could run out, right now, we have proven reserves for more than 100 years at reasonable growth rates and enough natural gas in the US for 250+ years. It's not a "gonna die in 12 years" situation. The problem with electric cars right now is 2 fold and both issues are massive elephants in the room. First, scarcity of materials. They use some pretty limited resources and a lot of them for a battery that needs reconditioned/remanufactured every 6 years or so. Those materials are owned by some pretty nasty countries in pretty remote locations, you think OPEC is bad, you haven't seen anything yet. Second, all electric cars are charged by the grid, the same grid that right now can't support all the AC being on at the same time and in the winter is susceptible to winter storms and so on.

This ignores the lack of ability to repair major portions of the vehicle without hideously expensive equipment, the fact that if you mess up doing a repair, you can be instantly killed and have large parts of your body vaporized, incinerated or suffer explosive combustion and the fact that they need special handling equipment to deal with the large battery. Then there is range, lack of cargo/towing/people capacity, reliability issues, the sudden fires and the fact that they produce a shit ton of industrial waste to make, a lot more than IC engines. It's like flat screens, old CRTs make a few pounds of waste and large parts of them are recyclable, flat screens make around 10 times the waste and most of the flat screen is practically unusable for any recycling. It's robing Peter to pay Paul. The same with US pollution emissions, we reduced them in the US and they go up in India and China because we exported the manufacturing and thus the pollution associated with it. Nice dodge, if you don't pay attention to things like math.

So, in the end, it's a cult based on lies that aren't provable, aren't realistic and offers a cure that isn't possible, isn't plausible and only seeks to manipulate control and rob the people even more.

Fusion sounds nice, we have been working on it for decades with not a lot of development because it's hideously expensive to build and modify large test reactors and that money doesn't buy votes like welfare does.

What you say had nothing to do with facts, history or the real intentions of those behind the curtain. In this matter, you are again being the useful idiot.

[Seran]

It's "Hubbert peak" a theory from 1956 that predicted oil production in the lower 48 states would peak by the 1970's. The theory has already been disproven with the Dakota oil discoveries.

Biofuels produce more CO2 through the lines of production. Environmentalists won't allow for more nuclear energy production.



California does not = 90% of the western United States. I can't even recall the last time we had a drought in the mid-west, I would wager that the majority of the Louisiana territory has been rather drought free.

I would suggest that California isn't even experiencing a drought considering California is mainly a desert that they have been dumping water on for decades. Pretty much everything west of the continental divide has been a desert for thousands of years. Before the last glacial event the mid-west was a desert as well.

At this point the climate change alarmists are more like side-show palm readers.

As of March 8, 2022, drought conditions are most severe in the States of Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon, Nevada, Utah, Montana, and New Mexico. According to the USDM, on March 8, 2022, more than 20 percent of land in Western States was classified as experiencing extreme or exceptional drought. Data reported by the USDM demonstrate that the incidence of drought in the Western U.S. during the summer of 2021 exceeded all past droughts in the region since 2000. Drought conditions in the Western U.S. gradually subsided since the latter months of 2021.

https://www.ers.usda.gov/newsroom/tr...onal%20drought.

44.3% of the U.S. and 49.42% of the lower 48 states are in drought this week.

Up 4.2% since last week
Up 10.5% since last month

118.4 Million people in the U.S. and 114.6 Million in the lower 48 states are affected by drought this week.

Up 8.5% since last week
Up 28.9% since last month

https://www.drought.gov/current-conditions

No, it isn't just California and you're an uneducated moron to make that ascertain without availing yourself of facts.

/Some/ biofuels produce more CO2 in creation, but the post was not about them as an environmentally friendly alternative, but as an alternative for petrochemicals as supplies in the future begin to dwindle. Like it or not, available oil does have a limit and the world can't wait until it's all gone to research further alternatives.

[Seran]

Well, I am 52, I have heard all the cries of global warming, global cooling, climate change and all the doomsday scenarios since I was literally 6. That is the first time I read about it in Ranger Rick magazine as a kid. The polar ice caps have been melting and coastal cited would be inundated all the way to we have an impending ice age to the end of all human life in 12 years and everything in-between. Sad fact is, it's a cult whos leaders are lying to people to gain power and control. I have also head the BS about there are just X years of oil left and so on, also, all of them proven wrong again and again. Yes, theoretically, we could run out, right now, we have proven reserves for more than 100 years at reasonable growth rates and enough natural gas in the US for 250+ years. It's not a "gonna die in 12 years" situation. The problem with electric cars right now is 2 fold and both issues are massive elephants in the room. First, scarcity of materials. They use some pretty limited resources and a lot of them for a battery that needs reconditioned/remanufactured every 6 years or so. Those materials are owned by some pretty nasty countries in pretty remote locations, you think OPEC is bad, you haven't seen anything yet. Second, all electric cars are charged by the grid, the same grid that right now can't support all the AC being on at the same time and in the winter is susceptible to winter storms and so on.

This ignores the lack of ability to repair major portions of the vehicle without hideously expensive equipment, the fact that if you mess up doing a repair, you can be instantly killed and have large parts of your body vaporized, incinerated or suffer explosive combustion and the fact that they need special handling equipment to deal with the large battery. Then there is range, lack of cargo/towing/people capacity, reliability issues, the sudden fires and the fact that they produce a shit ton of industrial waste to make, a lot more than IC engines. It's like flat screens, old CRTs make a few pounds of waste and large parts of them are recyclable, flat screens make around 10 times the waste and most of the flat screen is practically unusable for any recycling. It's robing Peter to pay Paul. The same with US pollution emissions, we reduced them in the US and they go up in India and China because we exported the manufacturing and thus the pollution associated with it. Nice dodge, if you don't pay attention to things like math.

So, in the end, it's a cult based on lies that aren't provable, aren't realistic and offers a cure that isn't possible, isn't plausible and only seeks to manipulate control and rob the people even more.

Fusion sounds nice, we have been working on it for decades with not a lot of development because it's hideously expensive to build and modify large test reactors and that money doesn't buy votes like welfare does.

What you say had nothing to do with facts, history or the real intentions of those behind the curtain. In this matter, you are again being the useful idiot.

Yeah, environmental scientists aren't cultist for starters and when the vast majority of worldwide scientific communities agree there is a problem, the deniers are the 'cultists' as you put it. Sooo, yes currently China, Bolivia, Argentina and Chile have the largest production processing capabilities for cobalt, lithium and nickel, but the United States has several startups getting ready to go into swing for producing cobalt and lithium are both obtainable through onshore brine extraction or offshore cobalt collection. There's a lot of hype right now about who controls current supplies, but a lot of those are either fear mongering over the evils of EV or to artificially drive up supply side worries to drive prices higher.

We're 8-10 years away from when EV batteries start to give up the ghost and need to be replaced and that is because EV sales have only recently picked up. 10-20 years is the expected lifespan of an EV battery depending on manufacturer, not all that far off of the average lifespan of your car's combustion engine. Like your cars engine block, the materials in an EV battery are largely recyclable and the industry has already grown more than ten-fold and will continue to grow as efficiencies and new recycling methods are developed.

A lot more than is currently recycled could be recycled. According to the US Department of Energy (DOE), less than 5% of lithium-ion batteries were collected and recycled in 2019. However, the DOE estimates that recycled material could “provide one-third of United States cathode material needs for lithium-ion batteries by 2030”. According to the DOE, the low recycling rate can be explained by the limited supply chain for collecting, sorting, storing and transporting spent lithium-ion batteries, as well as the cost of recycling compared with the value of end-of-life batteries.

Recyclers are continuously developing the technology and techniques to process Li-ion batteries. At first, recyclers used high-temperature smelting to melt the material. However, smelting takes a lot of energy and does not recover all valuable materials. That is why it has been so important to develop new recycling methods specifically for Li-ion batteries.

One new method is a wet-chemistry process used by Li-Cycle. First, the batteries are processed by 'submerged shredding', which creates a ‘black mass’ that contains critical minerals. In another facility, battery-grade minerals are subsequently extracted. This method reduces the risk of the batteries catching fire and recovers more valuable materials than smelting.

Nevertheless, Li-Cycle and multinational Umicore say technological advances mean that around 95% of the materials in an EV battery can already be recovered. Moreover, unlike some materials such as plastic, there is no limit to how many times the critical minerals in Li-ion batteries can be recycled, making the prospect of a circular supply chain even more attractive.


“They can be recycled indefinitely, without a loss of quality, and can therefore be used again and again in new applications,” says Caroline Jacobs, media relations manager at Umicore. “This avoids unnecessary pressure on natural resources and mining.”

https://www.energymonitor.ai/sectors...pent-batteries

I fear a lot of what people are scaremongering about with EV car sales is either deliberately misconstruing the facts or people just being ignorant of the technology since EV batteries are now in the mainstream and most won't have to worry about replacing their battery pack for a decade or longer.

[Parkbandit]

Maybe indirectly. I think you’re giving this administration more credit than it deserves as to its ability to affect the market.

Not really.

Doesn't take much effort on their part to push for higher gas prices to get the desired effect as you described.

[Parkbandit]

You're referring to climate change? I would say the multi-year severe droughts being experienced by 90% of the entire west half of the United States speaks for itself there.

this is the "proof" you used to back up this claim:

44.3% of the U.S. and 49.42% of the lower 48 states are in drought this week.

Up 4.2% since last week
Up 10.5% since last month

118.4 Million people in the U.S. and 114.6 Million in the lower 48 states are affected by drought this week.

Up 8.5% since last week
Up 28.9% since last month

No, it isn't just California and you're an uneducated moron to make that ascertain without availing yourself of facts.

A week does not multi-years make.

You failed to cite a source that claims that there is a "multi-year severe droughts being experienced by 90% of the entire west half of the United States"

To aid you in your quest, this is a map of the "western half of the United States"

[Methais]

Saying that a giant asteroid may hit our planet again doesn't mean every action we take from now until the end of time should be in preparation of that event. Your hypothetical is no different.

This is the stupidest analogy I've ever heard. Makes sense that it came from you though.

[Methais]

You know when you guys start flinging feces like a bunch of angry chimps at the zoo, instead of presenting counter evidence, you're online underscoring just how massively you were proven wrong in the first place.

Quoting relevant information. Fucking moron.

Didn't you just complain about people calling eachother names? And here you are.

lol Seran

[~Rocktar~]

Yeah, environmental scientists aren't cultist for starters and when the vast majority of worldwide scientific communities agree there is a problem, the deniers are the 'cultists' as you put it. Sooo, yes currently China, Bolivia, Argentina and Chile have the largest production processing capabilities for cobalt, lithium and nickel, but the United States has several startups getting ready to go into swing for producing cobalt and lithium are both obtainable through onshore brine extraction or offshore cobalt collection. There's a lot of hype right now about who controls current supplies, but a lot of those are either fear mongering over the evils of EV or to artificially drive up supply side worries to drive prices higher.

We're 8-10 years away from when EV batteries start to give up the ghost and need to be replaced and that is because EV sales have only recently picked up. 10-20 years is the expected lifespan of an EV battery depending on manufacturer, not all that far off of the average lifespan of your car's combustion engine. Like your cars engine block, the materials in an EV battery are largely recyclable and the industry has already grown more than ten-fold and will continue to grow as efficiencies and new recycling methods are developed.

https://www.energymonitor.ai/sectors...pent-batteries

I fear a lot of what people are scaremongering about with EV car sales is either deliberately misconstruing the facts or people just being ignorant of the technology since EV batteries are now in the mainstream and most won't have to worry about replacing their battery pack for a decade or longer.

Yeah, no. First words out of most cultists are "This is not a cult." Science isn't about consensus and the facts are not in. Hell, they aren't even consistent among the "experts". I never denied the problem but you Leftist extremists always argue to the extreme and dismiss everyone since they don't swallow your lies hook, line and sinker. Processing the material is one thing, where it is located is another and I pointed that out, but like most other things you ignored it because it doesn't support your cult. It's not fear mongering to state facts about the shortcomings of supply. Hoping on a wish and a prayer to solve the battery problem in 10 years when poor people can't afford the vehicle and the grid can't support the vehicle now is the same kind of mush headed wishing that saw us depend on Russia to launch and recover our astronauts because we did fuck all on building a replacement to the shuttle though we knew it was out of date 10 years before we retired it.

What I fear is that useful idiots like yourself, filled with supposedly well meaning mental mush will vote our rights away and end up hurting and killing millions to assuage your Leftist white guilt over living in a decent country trying to enforce your wrong headed environmental cultism.

[Seran]

Pretty consistent amongst angsty Conservatives; pushing off opinions as fact, rather than citing sources.