A thread for Ashliana

[Parkbandit]

PB asserted that the KKK was a democrat creation.

It doesn't appear his position that democrats had created the KKK is undercut by that sentence quoted above.

That's a very broad statement. How do you know it was only conservatives? Could it not also have been people with less conservative values opposing changes in order to preserve the status quo, preserve their wealth? Weren't the Quakers opposed to slavery? Quakers who were religious probably held conservative values as you'd say yes?

Stop looking for logic, signs of intelligent life or any semblance of rational thought in any post made by Ashliana.

It doesn't exist.

[Parkbandit]

This is wishful "thinking" on your part. Please educate yourself: https://www.history.com/topics/recon...n/ku-klux-klan

"Please educate yourself!" said the guy whose position was undercut literally by the first sentence in the link he provided. This is what earned you that championship diaper, TB.

It doesn't appear his position that democrats had created the KKK is undercut by that sentence quoted above.

No, he said the entire paragraph that I quoted. You're trying to limit my assertion that his source undercut him by only applying what I said only to his first sentence, and pretending it's his entire position.

Maybe it was Kierphe that mentioned first paragraph.....

[Ashliana]

Tuesday reminder for Parkbandit to post in this ever-increasing monument to the emotional devastation Trump's loss caused him, a hilarious prison of his own making that he can't figure a way out of while saving face.

S

Stop looking for logic, signs of intelligent life or any semblance of rational thought in any post made by Ashliana. It doesn't exist.

No amount of conservative wishes transforms either the KKK or the Confederacy into anything but the product of racist, rural white southerners, whose descendants form the biggest block of the modern-day GOP.

Maybe it was Kierphe that mentioned first paragraph.....

Sorry you're butthurt you've repeatedly tried to sell the fantasy that the KKK is the product of anything other than racist, rural white southerners. Facts don't care about your feelings, and nobody made you fall flat on your face -- you did that all your own, which you always do -- it's what made you RCT.

But it's okay, TB. If you post just a few more times in this thread, history will be magically changed into one where you aren't a 60 year old man.. exposed as having obsessively stalked other men for over a decade in order to leave as many sociopathic, sexually graphic messages full of impotent rage as possible .. that you sent because you were humiliated at having lost in political discussions in a forum dedicated to an ancient game you haven't even played in years .. wherein you had a spectacular, months-long meltdown because you were so emotionally distraught that Trump lost.

Just a few more posts and your wishes and fantasies will somehow distort the universe to suit your delusions.

Also:



Best of luck coping.

[Neveragain]

In April 1864, the Senate, responding in part to an -------->active abolitionist<-------- petition campaign, passed the Thirteenth Amendment to abolish slavery in the United States. ----------->Opposition from Democrats<-------- in the House of Representatives prevented the amendment from receiving the required two-thirds majority, and the bill failed.

The exceptions were Kentucky and -------->Delaware<---------, where slavery was finally ended by the Thirteenth Amendment in December 1865.

For the geographically retarded:

[Ashliana]

For the geographically retarded:

That doesn't address anything that I said. You claimed "abolitions were considered right-wing extremists." You spectacularly failed to substantiate that assertion. (Pro-tip: You can't, because it's hilariously wrong, and your entire position is based on an intellectually dishonest shell game of swapping "Democrat" with "left-wing," which certainly wasn't true in that era). Conservatives, by definition, have opposed every single social change that America benefited from: the end of slavery, the subjugation of women, gays, etc.

Rural, white southern conservatives made the KKK. Rural, white southern conservatives formed the Confederacy. Rural, white southern conservatives form the biggest block of the modern-day GOP. Your wishes don't change reality.

Best of luck with those fantasies, Alwaysracist (Macguyver).

[Methais]

For the geographically retarded:

Why is nobody addressing the Alaska/Mexico border?

[Methais]

Tuesday post-10am CST reminder for Ashlianus to CTRL+V some more butthurt.

[Neveragain]

Quaker abolitionists
Quakers in particular were early leaders in abolitionism. In 1688 Dutch Quakers in Germantown, Pennsylvania, sent an antislavery petition to the Monthly Meeting of Quakers. By 1727 British Quakers had expressed their official disapproval of the slave trade.[12] Three Quaker abolitionists, Benjamin Lay, John Woolman, and Anthony Benezet, devoted their lives to the abolitionist effort from the 1730s to the 1760s, with Lay founding the Negro School in 1770, which would serve more than 250 pupils.[13] In June 1783, a petition from the London Yearly Meeting and signed by over 300 Quakers was presented to Parliament protesting the slave trade.[14]


Christian abolitionism in the United States
In the United States, the abolition movement faced much opposition. Bertram Wyatt-Brown notes that the appearance of the Christian abolitionist movement "with its religious ideology alarmed newsmen, politicians, and ordinary citizens. They angrily predicted the endangerment of secular democracy, the mongrelization, as it was called, of white society, and the destruction of the federal union. Speakers at huge rallies and editors of conservative papers in the North denounced these newcomers to radical reform as the same old “church-and-state” zealots, who tried to shut down post offices, taverns, carriage companies, shops, and other public places on Sundays. Mob violence sometimes ensued."[15]

A postal campaign in 1835 by the American Anti-Slavery Society (AA-SS) – founded by African-American Presbyterian clergyman Theodore S. Wright – sent bundles of tracts and newspapers (over 100,000) to prominent clerical, legal, and political figures throughout the whole country, and culminated in massive demonstrations throughout the North and South.[16] In attempting to stop these mailings, New York Postmaster Samuel L. Gouverneur unsuccessfully requested the AA-SS to cease sending it to the South. He therefore decided that he would “aid in preserving the public peace” by refusing to allow the mails to carry abolition pamphlets to the South himself, with the new Postmaster General Amos Kendall affirming, even though he admitted he had no legal authority to do so.[17][18][19][20] This resulted in the AA-SS resorting to other and clandestine means of dissemination.

Despite such determined opposition, many Methodist, Baptist, and Presbyterian members freed their slaves and sponsored black congregations, in which many black ministers encouraged slaves to believe that freedom could be gained during their lifetime. After a great revival occurred in 1801 at Cane Ridge, Kentucky, American Methodists made anti-slavery sentiments a condition of church membership.[21] Abolitionist writings, such as "A Condensed Anti-Slavery Bible Argument" (1845) by George Bourne,[22] and "God Against Slavery" (1857) by George B. Cheever,[23] used the Bible, logic and reason extensively in contending against the institution of slavery, and in particular the chattel form of it as seen in the South. In Cheever's speech entitled, "The Fire and Hammer of God’s Word Against the Sin of Slavery", his desire for eliminating the crime of slaveholding is clear, as he goes so far as to address it to the President.

Other Protestant missionaries of the Great Awakening initially opposed slavery in the South, but by the early decades of the 19th century, many Baptist and Methodist preachers in the South had come to an accommodation with it in order to evangelize the farmers and workers. Disagreements between the newer way of thinking and the old often created schisms within denominations at the time. Differences in views toward slavery resulted in the Baptist and Methodist churches dividing into regional associations by the beginning of the Civil War.[24]

Catholic abolitionism
Roman Catholic statements against slavery also grew increasingly vocal during this era. In 1741, Pope Benedict XIV condemned slavery generally. In 1815, Pope Pius VII demanded the Congress of Vienna to suppress the slave trade. In the Bull of Canonization of Peter Claver, one of the most illustrious adversaries of slavery, Pope Pius IX branded the "supreme villainy" (summum nefas) of the slave traders;[25]

In 1839 Pope Gregory XVI condemned the slave trade in In supremo apostolatus;[26] and in 1888 Pope Leo XIII condemned slavery in In Plurimis.[27]

Roman Catholic efforts extended to the Americas. The Roman Catholic leader of the Irish in Ireland, Daniel O'Connell, supported the abolition of slavery in the British Empire and in America. With the black abolitionist Charles Lenox Remond, and the temperance priest Theobold Mathew, he organized a petition with 60,000 signatures urging the Irish of the United States to support abolition. O'Connell also spoke in the United States for abolition.

Preceding such, and while not explicitly expressing an abolitionist point of view, the Portuguese Dominican Gaspar da Cruz in 1569 strongly criticized the Portuguese traffic in Chinese slaves, explaining that any arguments by the slave traders that they "legally" purchased already-enslaved children were bogus.[28]

In 1917, the Roman Catholic Church's canon law was officially expanded to specify that "selling a human being into slavery or for any other evil purpose" is a crime.[29]

[Neveragain]

Swap the Democrat argument to keep their slaves with their modern day abortion arguments. They are the same "it's not human / I own it".

[Ashliana]

If I wish really hard, will my fantasies turn the comically trivial debunking of right-wing nonsense into butthurt on someone else's part? Here goes! HHHHNNNnnnnnnnnnhhhhh..!!!

Quaker abolitionists
Quakers in particular were early leaders in abolitionism. In 1688 Dutch Quakers in Germantown, Pennsylvania, sent an antislavery petition to the Monthly Meeting of Quakers. By 1727 British Quakers had expressed their official disapproval of the slave trade.[12] Three Quaker abolitionists, Benjamin Lay, John Woolman, and Anthony Benezet, devoted their lives to the abolitionist effort from the 1730s to the 1760s, with Lay founding the Negro School in 1770, which would serve more than 250 pupils.[13] In June 1783, a petition from the London Yearly Meeting and signed by over 300 Quakers was presented to Parliament protesting the slave trade.[14]


Christian abolitionism in the United States
In the United States, the abolition movement faced much opposition. Bertram Wyatt-Brown notes that the appearance of the Christian abolitionist movement "with its religious ideology alarmed newsmen, politicians, and ordinary citizens. They angrily predicted the endangerment of secular democracy, the mongrelization, as it was called, of white society, and the destruction of the federal union. Speakers at huge rallies and editors of conservative papers in the North denounced these newcomers to radical reform as the same old “church-and-state” zealots, who tried to shut down post offices, taverns, carriage companies, shops, and other public places on Sundays. Mob violence sometimes ensued."[15]

A postal campaign in 1835 by the American Anti-Slavery Society (AA-SS) – founded by African-American Presbyterian clergyman Theodore S. Wright – sent bundles of tracts and newspapers (over 100,000) to prominent clerical, legal, and political figures throughout the whole country, and culminated in massive demonstrations throughout the North and South.[16] In attempting to stop these mailings, New York Postmaster Samuel L. Gouverneur unsuccessfully requested the AA-SS to cease sending it to the South. He therefore decided that he would “aid in preserving the public peace” by refusing to allow the mails to carry abolition pamphlets to the South himself, with the new Postmaster General Amos Kendall affirming, even though he admitted he had no legal authority to do so.[17][18][19][20] This resulted in the AA-SS resorting to other and clandestine means of dissemination.

Despite such determined opposition, many Methodist, Baptist, and Presbyterian members freed their slaves and sponsored black congregations, in which many black ministers encouraged slaves to believe that freedom could be gained during their lifetime. After a great revival occurred in 1801 at Cane Ridge, Kentucky, American Methodists made anti-slavery sentiments a condition of church membership.[21] Abolitionist writings, such as "A Condensed Anti-Slavery Bible Argument" (1845) by George Bourne,[22] and "God Against Slavery" (1857) by George B. Cheever,[23] used the Bible, logic and reason extensively in contending against the institution of slavery, and in particular the chattel form of it as seen in the South. In Cheever's speech entitled, "The Fire and Hammer of God’s Word Against the Sin of Slavery", his desire for eliminating the crime of slaveholding is clear, as he goes so far as to address it to the President.

Other Protestant missionaries of the Great Awakening initially opposed slavery in the South, but by the early decades of the 19th century, many Baptist and Methodist preachers in the South had come to an accommodation with it in order to evangelize the farmers and workers. Disagreements between the newer way of thinking and the old often created schisms within denominations at the time. Differences in views toward slavery resulted in the Baptist and Methodist churches dividing into regional associations by the beginning of the Civil War.[24]

Catholic abolitionism
Roman Catholic statements against slavery also grew increasingly vocal during this era. In 1741, Pope Benedict XIV condemned slavery generally. In 1815, Pope Pius VII demanded the Congress of Vienna to suppress the slave trade. In the Bull of Canonization of Peter Claver, one of the most illustrious adversaries of slavery, Pope Pius IX branded the "supreme villainy" (summum nefas) of the slave traders;[25]

In 1839 Pope Gregory XVI condemned the slave trade in In supremo apostolatus;[26] and in 1888 Pope Leo XIII condemned slavery in In Plurimis.[27]

Roman Catholic efforts extended to the Americas. The Roman Catholic leader of the Irish in Ireland, Daniel O'Connell, supported the abolition of slavery in the British Empire and in America. With the black abolitionist Charles Lenox Remond, and the temperance priest Theobold Mathew, he organized a petition with 60,000 signatures urging the Irish of the United States to support abolition. O'Connell also spoke in the United States for abolition.

Preceding such, and while not explicitly expressing an abolitionist point of view, the Portuguese Dominican Gaspar da Cruz in 1569 strongly criticized the Portuguese traffic in Chinese slaves, explaining that any arguments by the slave traders that they "legally" purchased already-enslaved children were bogus.[28]

In 1917, the Roman Catholic Church's canon law was officially expanded to specify that "selling a human being into slavery or for any other evil purpose" is a crime.[29]

What a fascinating non-sequitur that in no way demonstrates your assertion. Best of luck coming to terms with reality, Alwaysracist (Macguyver).