Portland.

[Bhaalizmo]

Worthless piece of shit mayor of Portland joined the rioters last night. They heckled him most of the night and threw shit at him, when he decided to leave the rioters followed him, screamed in his face, heckled him, threatened him, and threw shit at him and his security detail as he tried to enter a building to leave the lunacy behind.

Oh yeah the mayor also got a front row seat to watch as rioters climbed the fence protecting the federal courthouse and tried to storm the building, tear down the walls, and set it on fire, he then went on to say he saw no reason for feds to use tear gas in response to these violent (is it okay to call setting buildings on fire "violent", Bob?) actions.

But oh yeah, it's the feds who are escalating the violence. Darn those dastardly feds! Sitting inside the courthouse! Doing...nothing.......until those peaceful misunderstood protesters accidentally climbed the fence and started a campfire so some nearby homeless orphans could keep warm.

Doesn't sound the same at all the way I heard it.

PORTLAND, Ore. — The mayor of Portland, Ted Wheeler, was left coughing and wincing in the middle of his own city Wednesday night after federal officers deployed tear gas into a crowd of protesters that Mr. Wheeler had joined outside the federal courthouse.

Mr. Wheeler, who scrambled to put on goggles while denouncing what he called the “urban warfare” tactic of the federal agents, said he was outraged by the use of tear gas and that it was only making protesters more angry.

“I’m not going to lie — it stings; it’s hard to breathe,” Mr. Wheeler said. “And I can tell you with 100 percent honesty, I saw nothing which provoked this response.”

He called it an “egregious overreaction” on the part of the federal officers, and not a de-escalation strategy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/u...gas-mayor.html

[Tgo01]

Doesn't sound the same at all the way I heard it.

PORTLAND, Ore. — The mayor of Portland, Ted Wheeler, was left coughing and wincing in the middle of his own city Wednesday night after federal officers deployed tear gas into a crowd of protesters that Mr. Wheeler had joined outside the federal courthouse.

Mr. Wheeler, who scrambled to put on goggles while denouncing what he called the “urban warfare” tactic of the federal agents, said he was outraged by the use of tear gas and that it was only making protesters more angry.

“I’m not going to lie — it stings; it’s hard to breathe,” Mr. Wheeler said. “And I can tell you with 100 percent honesty, I saw nothing which provoked this response.”

He called it an “egregious overreaction” on the part of the federal officers, and not a de-escalation strategy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/u...gas-mayor.html

So what is the proper "de-escalation strategy" for rioters climbing the fences and setting the building on fire?

This outta be good!

[drauz]

I'll say this. It's always the extremes that ruin it for the rest.

The bad cops using force to often, tarnish the majority who are actually there to protect and serve.

The violent protesters take away from the good the peaceful protesters are doing.

I think both sides need to get their houses in order so they can come back to the table in a meaningful way.

[Alfster]

Link?

https://lawandcrime.com/legal-analys...-constitution/

[Alfster]

First, your understanding of being detained and so on is deeply flawed. Second, prove it.

Read the link. Someone tried claiming you self identified as a libertarian, which is obviously not the case if you don't see a problem with what's happening.

[~Rocktar~]

Read the link. Someone tried claiming you self identified as a libertarian, which is obviously not the case if you don't see a problem with what's happening.

I have never claimed to be Libertarian, I have claimed to be Conservative. First mistake. The DHS people describing "proactively arresting people" don't elaborate and they clearly indicate that the local law enforcement is not doing the arrests which is the usual case in non-Leftist retarded jurisdictions. So a massive amount of assumptions by the author and people such as yourself due to confirmation bias. Second mistake. Next, the people were not placed under arrest, they were detained, it is not the same thing. And unless you are smart enough to ask to leave, it's considered voluntary. See the link . Since the people were detained, given Miranda rights, asked if they wanted to waive the rights to answer questions and then released, there has been no violation of law or rights. That is, unless of course, you argue that they have a constitutional right to riot, loot, burn things, attack people and murder people in which case you are so full of shit that the whites of your eyes should be brown. Third mistake.

These people are no more a constitutional lawyer than you are, the media is aiding and abetting in their crimes and the cover up of said crimes and now they are crying when the Feds are doing the job that the local law enforcement has refused to do. The fact that there have not been beatings, police dogs, gunfights and so on should speak well to the professionalism and commitment of the federal law enforcement people involved.

BTW, probable cause for detaining these people, assuming they don't have them on video could easily be considered the fact they are dressed in garb consistent with participants in a riot, in the general area on foot and acting in a suspicious manner. It has been adequate in the past as probable cause to detain people and question them.

So, in the end, you are wrong on all counts.

[Tgo01]

https://lawandcrime.com/legal-analys...-constitution/

Two DHS Officials Apparently Just Admitted Their Troops Have Been Violating the Constitution

Well that's as far as I got in that clickbaity link. Thanks for trying I guess.

[~Rocktar~]

Well that's as far as I got in that clickbaity link. Thanks for trying I guess.

I scanned it, it's just more of the same clickbait conjecture.

[Alfster]

Well that's as far as I got in that clickbaity link. Thanks for trying I guess.

God forbid you read something that goes against your narrative, with actual citing of case law. Just keep screaming fake news and refuse to educate yourself.

[Alfster]

I scanned it, it's just more of the same clickbait conjecture.

[A] person’s mere propinquity to others independently suspected of criminal activity does not, without more, give rise to probable cause to search that person. Where the standard is probable cause, a search or seizure of a person must be supported by probable cause particularized with respect to that person.