Portland.

[Tgo01]

Yeah, your rhetoric seems perfectly logical, completely unbiased, and not at all influenced or skewed in any way.

Where have I ever claimed I'm not biased in my politics?

What exactly in my comment is wrong, other than your disagreement with my overall conclusion?

Did the mayor of Seattle care when rioters took over parts of the city? Nope. She even referred to it as the Summer of Love. She didn't have it dismantled until they protested outside her house.

Did the governor of Washington state care about this? Nope. Days after they took over parts of the city he claimed he wasn't even aware of what was going on.

Has the mayor of Portland done really anything to stop all of the rioting going on in his city? Nope. He has hamstrung the police and hardly made a peep about any of it.

Did any Democrat politicians care when people were being murdered in CHAZ? Not really, in fact some even tried to blame Trump and claimed it was all just Republican hype.

Did Nancy Pelosi recognize that a federal courthouse in Portland was being attacked several nights in a row which is probably what prompted Trump to take action? Nope. She didn't even mention it and instead claimed Trump was disappearing "peaceful protesters" who were just expressing their freedom of speech.

Time and time again Democrats look the other way when violent leftists engage in violence. Literally the minute Trump wants to try to restore law and order he's the bad guy who is quashing freedom of speech.

Doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to see what's going on here.

[Tgo01]

Black officer in Portland explains how the city police have been dealing with violent "protesters" for weeks now, how he and other black officers have racial slurs hurled their way by the "protesters" and how white officers are called racist.

But yeah, nothing to see here! It's all peaceful! Trump is a monster! Yadda yadda yadda.

I don't know why people choose to bury their heads in the sand.

[Neveragain]

It's really scary how quickly you turned against having a functional Democracy after Trump got elected.

The kinds of countries where these things go on are not the ones you want to live in. You people have turned into this dark and twisted version of Americans.

The United States of America is NOT a country where the Federal government sends in its forces to kidnap peaceful protesters by hauling them into unmarked vans without any formal charges.

What the hell happened to you people?

This has been going on from the very first day Trump took office, when there was rioting in DC.

Nancy Pelosi, in her statement, is not only supporting insurrection she's calling our police/service members storm troopers. The "peaceful protester" bullshit went out the door when they locked police in their precinct.

Better pick a side Time4redaction, if you're standing with the side that's destroying cities and marches under the flag of communism, you are the enemy of Democracy. There are zero fucks to give about these "protestors" now, if these states can't handle it, it's the duty of the federal gov. to take control.

[Parkbandit]

Dude, send in the social workers. Trump should let it burn to the ground if the local and state leaders don’t want him there.

Exactly.

Let these cesspools burn to the ground. The people have spoken and they are the ones that elected these Democrats.

Let them finally see exactly what they voted for.

[FlayedAngel]

Where have I ever claimed I'm not biased in my politics?

I'm not talking about partisanship, I'm talking about numerous harmful cognitive and perceptive biases and other pitfalls. We're all a little biased, in our politics and otherwise -- I'm talking about unhealthy and unproductive extremes, or an intractable inability to critically examine one's own viewpoint or the viewpoints of others.

What exactly in my comment is wrong, other than your disagreement with my overall conclusion?

To wit: Seriously what the fuck is wrong with Democrats? Why do you keep electing these monsters into office? This shit is unfolding before our very eyes; people being beaten in the streets, entire city blocks being taken over, these rioters starting buildings on fire on a nightly basis, businesses being looted, people being murdered in zones that the local and state government allowed the rioters to occupy, and you're all fine Democrats continuing to allow this shit to happen because you think it will make Trump look bad when he cracks down on violent criminals.

The entire narrative, I just explained this twice.

Did the mayor of Seattle care when rioters took over parts of the city? Nope. She even referred to it as the Summer of Love. She didn't have it dismantled until they protested outside her house.

Did the governor of Washington state care about this? Nope. Days after they took over parts of the city he claimed he wasn't even aware of what was going on.

Has the mayor of Portland done really anything to stop all of the rioting going on in his city? Nope. He has hamstrung the police and hardly made a peep about any of it.

Did any Democrat politicians care when people were being murdered in CHAZ? Not really, in fact some even tried to blame Trump and claimed it was all just Republican hype.

Did Nancy Pelosi recognize that a federal courthouse in Portland was being attacked several nights in a row which is probably what prompted Trump to take action? Nope. She didn't even mention it and instead claimed Trump was disappearing "peaceful protesters" who were just expressing their freedom of speech.

Time and time again Democrats look the other way when violent leftists engage in violence. Literally the minute Trump wants to try to restore law and order he's the bad guy who is quashing freedom of speech.

So your argument is that Democrats should be held responsible for your own attributions and motivations, but Trump should not? Cool.

Doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to see what's going on here.

Do you like authoritarian dystopias? Because this is how you get authoritarian dystopias... and ants.

[Tgo01]

I'm talking about unhealthy and unproductive extremes, or an intractable inability to critically examine one's own viewpoint or the viewpoints of others.

I could say the same thing about you in this thread where you are actively downplaying the violence in Portland and keep saying "media spin" when all I've ever talked about was the raw video footage I've seen and police reports I've read.

So your argument is that Democrats should be held responsible for your own attributions and motivations, but Trump should not? Cool.

Huh?

Do you like authoritarian dystopias? Because this is how you get authoritarian dystopias... and ants.

See what I mean about you having an "unhealthy and unproductive extremes, or an intractable inability to critically examine one's own viewpoint or the viewpoints of others."

No, I don't consider the federal government enforcing federal laws to lead to an "authoritarian dystopia."

You should cut back on the Nancy Pelosi tweets who heavily implied federal officers and the military are comparable to Nazi Germany stormtroopers.

[Neveragain]

Nancy Pelosi tweets who heavily implied federal officers and the military are comparable to Nazi Germany stormtroopers.

Interestingly enough, Nancy has never had an issue sending the "stormtroopers" to Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria. In fact, Nancy and the Democrats have made it even more difficult to remove the "stormtroopers" from Syria and Afghanistan under Trump's administration.

[~Rocktar~]

I'm not talking about partisanship, I'm talking about numerous harmful cognitive and perceptive biases and other pitfalls. We're all a little biased, in our politics and otherwise -- I'm talking about unhealthy and unproductive extremes, or an intractable inability to critically examine one's own viewpoint or the viewpoints of others.



The entire narrative, I just explained this twice.



So your argument is that Democrats should be held responsible for your own attributions and motivations, but Trump should not? Cool.



Do you like authoritarian dystopias? Because this is how you get authoritarian dystopias... and ants.

That is a whole lot of words to say "If you don't think and act like I want you too then you are ignorant, unproductive, intractable and lack critical thinking skills. Can you be any more arrogant and condescending, really? This is the age old 'you should compromise your beliefs and views to get closer to mine because if you do that enough, I win without having to yield.'

Fuck off.

[Tgo01]

That's Democrat Congressman Conor Lamb's brother and campaign manager wishing death upon Lamb's Republican challenger, who also happens to be a combat veteran.

This is where Democrats ignore this outrageous bullshit yet again because it comes from a Democrat and takes another statement from Trump out of context to make him look like a racist.

[FlayedAngel]

I could say the same thing about you in this thread where you are actively downplaying the violence in Portland and keep saying "media spin" when all I've ever talked about was the raw video footage I've seen and police reports I've read.

"Actively downplayed" is inaccurate, more like warned against false representation of the severity (or lack thereof) of the situation; that's more of a zero-sum situation at best, so we're even. I remarked on factors behind the escalation of violence without denying the occurrence of violence, and the way it's being portrayed in some cases -- as I said -- is a flat-out lie.

I actually live here. The protest area itself is an incredibly small part of the city and the protests have remained largely peaceful, so the narrative of a "city on fire" and "gripped by violence" is a blatant exaggeration (see above).

Once again: You can do whatever you want with that information.

See what I mean about you having an "unhealthy and unproductive extremes, or an intractable inability to critically examine one's own viewpoint or the viewpoints of others."

Is this the response equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I?"

Extreme biases are bad and something to be avoided, that's just a fact. If you want to disagree with that point and be proud of having flagrant biases, well... go ahead, I guess.

Huh?

RE: Did the mayor of Seattle care when rioters took over parts of the city? Nope. She even referred to it as the Summer of Love. She didn't have it dismantled until they protested outside her house.

Did the governor of Washington state care about this? Nope. Days after they took over parts of the city he claimed he wasn't even aware of what was going on.

Has the mayor of Portland done really anything to stop all of the rioting going on in his city? Nope. He has hamstrung the police and hardly made a peep about any of it.

Did any Democrat politicians care when people were being murdered in CHAZ? Not really, in fact some even tried to blame Trump and claimed it was all just Republican hype.

Did Nancy Pelosi recognize that a federal courthouse in Portland was being attacked several nights in a row which is probably what prompted Trump to take action? Nope. She didn't even mention it and instead claimed Trump was disappearing "peaceful protesters" who were just expressing their freedom of speech.

Time and time again Democrats look the other way when violent leftists engage in violence. Literally the minute Trump wants to try to restore law and order he's the bad guy who is quashing freedom of speech.

I was remarking that your chain of logic was fallacious due to attacking (or presuming) motive in all cases; you assume the worst of all Democrats, and decry those assuming the worst of Trump, which is not terribly shocking. Neither are perfect entities, and MISTAKES WERE MADE seems to be shaping up to be the theme of the year all around.

No, I don't consider the federal government enforcing federal laws to lead to an "authoritarian dystopia."

You should cut back on the Nancy Pelosi tweets who heavily implied federal officers and the military are comparable to Nazi Germany stormtroopers.

I don't follow Nancy Pelosi, but sure... undesignated feds dragging citizens into unmarked civilian vehicles without evidence or probable cause is totally constitutional, and has absolutely no parallels to anything else in history.