George Floyd killing and the aftermath

[Tgo01]

George Floyd and the police officer worked together at a nightclub in 2009.

Any chance this wasn't a hate crime and there is more to the story?

I have seen zero evidence this was a hate crime at all. People are just assuming it was racial because like I said this has turned into a political shitstorm.

It's possible the officer had some sort of beef with the guy in particular, or he could just be a shitty cop. I doubt we will ever know because no one seems interested in investigating this further, probably because they are worried if they do people will think they are looking for excuses for the cop or something.

[Seran]

George Floyd and the police officer worked together at a nightclub in 2009.

Any chance this wasn't a hate crime and there is more to the story?

Without a lot more information, I wouldn't make the leap to hate crime. Specific instances of the usage of deadly force and submission takedowns resulting in death in the form of police brutality is what I've been seeing on slogans.

[time4fun]

George Floyd and the police officer worked together at a nightclub in 2009.

Any chance this wasn't a hate crime and there is more to the story?

Possibly. Though it is difficult to imagine that officer doing that to a white man.

And ultimately that's what this is about. It's not about whether or not that particular police officer was intentionally trying to attack someone because they were black. It's about a system that provides so much cover and impunity that the police officers involved in the situation clearly didn't think they had anything to fear. They could kill an unarmed black man in public, surrounded by witnesses, and there was nothing to worry about.

The privilege that comes with not being black in this situation, is that it allows people- if they so choose- to treat Floyd's murder as an isolated, independent incident.

The reality of being black in this country is that you know better. It's the latest in a lifetime of reminders that your life has less value, institutionally speaking, than those of your fellow Americans who happen to have a different skin color. That plays out with the police, it plays out with the Death Penalty, and it's playing out with COVID. (to name 3 of about a million examples).

[Hleef]

Possibly. Though it is difficult to imagine that officer doing that to a white man.

And ultimately that's what this is about. It's not about whether or not that particular police officer was intentionally trying to attack someone because they were black. It's about a system that provides so much cover and impunity that the police officers involved in the situation clearly didn't think they had anything to fear. They could kill an unarmed black man in public, surrounded by witnesses, and there was nothing to worry about.

The privilege that comes with not being black in this situation, is that it allows people- if they so choose- to treat Floyd's murder as an isolated, independent incident.

The reality of being black in this country is that you know better. It's the latest in a lifetime of reminders that your life has less value, institutionally speaking, than those of your fellow Americans who happen to have a different skin color. That plays out with the police, it plays out with the Death Penalty, and it's playing out with COVID. (to name 3 of about a million examples).

Why do white people pretend to know what it's like to be black? BLM and Antifa are setting blacks back with all of this.

[Astray]

Ah shit, here we go again.

[Blazar]

Man, this moves too fast to respond to everything. I'm tired already.

To the post you made about Seran being the worst kind of person, I really think you need to get your perspective checked out. Personally, the worst type of person in the world in my opinion would be murders and rapists, and we've got tons of laws protecting their rights. Someone who believes differently than you or is biased, left or right? Not so much. Debate that if you want, but I will continue to disagree with you. I don't think I'm above anything, but I do actively try to look at things from other points of view, if for no other reason than to better understand the person's motivation. I understand we're all people, with our own struggles and experiences, and I also understand that if we took away the hate, replaced it with an effort to work together and find mutually beneficial solutions, the world would be a better place. If you disagree with that, I'd really like to understand how. Human nature runs completely counter to this, so it would take conscious effort to succeed from everyone. will we ever succeed? Who knows, but I sure hope so.

And while I called you guys out, you're also the ones that constantly flame people, and even in the past have hidden behind neg rep, ugly comments for personal view points. If I saw that from anyone, I'd call them out too. There are others who have spoken kindly of Trump here that don't get that kind of attention, so perhaps that should be an opportunity for you to reflect on why that is? perhaps it is in the delivery instead of the content? Just as I acknowledged I made a mistake in sending terrible neg rep messages, so too can you admit your mistakes. And so can Trump. Would you agree that Trump has made mistakes? A good person admits when they make a mistake, and then take steps to be accountable and make changes for it. Has Trump ever done that? if you say yes, I really do hope you provide some proof. A tweet even would be cool. I'd like to read it.

Saying you deal with this stuff is a little skewed as well. You choose to post here. Just as I will choose not to continue posting if my self control is strong enough (sure do wish I could just see new posts for Merchant's Market only, would make this a lot easier). I have better things to do with my time than post on these boards and debate with people who aren't open to compromise and finding a common ground, but willful ignorance just hurts me, so I felt inclined to speak up. I'm not insane, so I won't continue trying to help you understand that you're not perfect, and that it would be more constructive if you responded differently. It's almost as if you don't realize you're doing the exact same thing that you're accusing others of... providing biased view points that support your ideology contrary to the facts, and then attacking people that have different view points. Believing that your view point is the only one that matters. Everyone matters. Dem. Rep. Everyone. That's not for you to decide and it's not in your power. There's value in both sides, both sides have good and bad people, and the focus should be in bringing them together, not driving them farther away.

[time4fun]

Why do white people pretend to know what it's like to be black? BLM and Antifa are setting blacks back with all of this.

It's called listening and learning. It's not pretending- it's taking the message that was communicated to you and helping to amplify it. It's on the "literally the least you can do" ally list. Silencing that instead of engaging with it doesn't help black people in this country.

And growing up in a biracial family with siblings whose skin is much darker than mine and watching them navigate the world around them and seeing how differently it treated me vs them....let's just say that, while I will never understand what it means to be black in America or even what it means to be my siblings and other family members on that side, the issue of institutionalized racism in this country is neither novel nor hypothetical for me.

[Tgo01]

And while I called you guys out, you're also the ones that constantly flame people, and even in the past have hidden behind neg rep, ugly comments for personal view points. If I saw that from anyone, I'd call them out too.

You must have the biggest blinders on in the world if you think only the people you called out resort to personal attacks. Get off it, dude. You're biased and just like the Democrats and Never Trumpers here you won't admit to it.

I have better things to do with my time than post on these boards and debate with people who aren't open to compromise and finding a common ground

Ah yes, here we come to the "I'm better than you all" portion of this shtick.

[Tgo01]

It's on the "literally the least you can do" ally list.

"Ally." Christ. The virtue signaling is off the charts.

[Solkern]

You must have the biggest blinders on in the world if you think only the people you called out resort to personal attacks. Get off it, dude. You're biased and just like the Democrats and Never Trumpers here you won't admit to it.



Ah yes, here we come to the "I'm better than you all" portion of this shtick.

And you can honestly say you’re not bias?