Pelosi officially announces impeachment inquiry

[gemstonefella]

I understand he said they never reached a determination, that's not my point. The point is, they never were going to charge him because of the OLC opinion.

[Tgo01]

I understand he said they never reached a determination, that's not my point. The point is, they never were going to charge him because of the OLC opinion.

And as I said, Ted Lieu gave him a perfect chance to air his opinion on the matter if the only thing preventing him from charging Trump was the OLC opinion and Mueller stated clearly that they never reached a determination. Instead Mueller left the question for the DOJ who then opted not to charge Trump with a crime based on the evidence Mueller collected. You can say Bill Barr was just covering for Trump in this regard but this is how things unfolded. Mueller did state that they found no evidence that Trump or anyone employed by Trump colluded with Russia.

[Parkbandit]

You cared about Hillary's emails because your party told you to. You ignore Ivanka, kushner, and others using private emails for official business because....they told you it's not a big deal. You're willing to act like it's not a big deal that the president is overheard conducting business with regards to Ukraine in the open in front of aids.

He's a walking national security nightmare. But you're stuck on one point, quid quo pro. That's not even the big deal out of all of this.

You didn't care about Hillary's emails because your party told you it was no big deal. You bring up Ivanka, kushner, and others using private emails for official business because....they told you it's the same thing Hillary did, but only a fool like you would actually believe that. You're willing to pretend like it's a big deal that the president is overheard conducting business with regards to Ukraine because "quid pro quo" but when that's proven not to be the case, you change your mind and go with "bribery" or some other bullshit because using quid pro quo makes you look dumber than usual.

[Seran]

No because this isn't a real impeachment inquiry with bogus bullshit rules. Trump isn't even allowed to have a lawyer there like all other impeachments have allowed for. It's a sideshow, I don't blame the president for not wanting to participate in a sideshow.

Trump cannot decide to not comply with a subpeona, that is text book obstruction of justice. If Trump didn't want to comply with a subpeona, his only recourse was filing a court brief requesting a ruling as to whether or not he was required to comply. That hasn't happened. Trump has unilaterally decided he, his entire staff and every other agency person subpeonad is protected by executive privilege.

I literally can't wait for the Supremely court to rule about the violation of checks and balances and order this criminal to comply.

[Seran]

And as I said, Ted Lieu gave him a perfect chance to air his opinion on the matter if the only thing preventing him from charging Trump was the OLC opinion and Mueller stated clearly that they never reached a determination. Instead Mueller left the question for the DOJ who then opted not to charge Trump with a crime based on the evidence Mueller collected. You can say Bill Barr was just covering for Trump in this regard but this is how things unfolded. Mueller did state that they found no evidence that Trump or anyone employed by Trump colluded with Russia.

That's amazing spin. He said he /couldn't/ reach an opinion due to the OLC brief and so it was never explored. Not being permitted to reach a determination is a hell of a lot different than being unable to conclude due to facts.

[Tgo01]

Trump cannot decide to not comply with a subpeona, that is text book obstruction of justice.

The president also has the power of executive privilege which trumps any sort of bogus subpoena. Again this isn't a real impeachment inquiry, this isn't a real trial, congress doesn't have that kind of power. You think congress has the power to prosecute people for failing to comply with their subpoenas?

I literally can't wait for the Supremely court to rule about the violation of checks and balances and order this criminal to comply.

Yeah, not gonna happen, especially not with Ginsburg too sick to do her job.

[Tgo01]

That's amazing spin. He said he /couldn't/ reach an opinion due to the OLC brief and so it was never explored. Not being permitted to reach a determination is a hell of a lot different than being unable to conclude due to facts.

No spin, Ted Lieu asked him point blank: Would you have charged Trump with a crime if not for the OLC opinion? Mueller gave the same answer he has always given: we did not reach a determination either way.

Are facts to Seran what garlic is to vampires?

[Seran]

No spin, Ted Lieu asked him point blank: Would you have charged Trump with a crime if not for the OLC opinion? Mueller gave the same answer he has always given: we did not reach a determination either way.

Are facts to Seran what garlic is to vampires?

Actually Mueller stood up to the hypothetical and did exactly as an independent Justice Department official should and stood his ground

[Wrathbringer]

Actually Mueller stood up to the hypothetical and did exactly as an independent Justice Department official should and stood his ground

You are a retard.

[Seran]

The president also has the power of executive privilege which trumps any sort of bogus subpoena. Again this isn't a real impeachment inquiry, this isn't a real trial, congress doesn't have that kind of power. You think congress has the power to prosecute people for failing to comply with their subpoenas?

Yeah, not gonna happen, especially not with Ginsburg too sick to do her job.

No, Congress can't prosecute, but they can tee up the obvious impeachment charge for obstruction.