Russia Investigation Heating Up

[time4fun]

Yo, T4F, have you seen any reports about Weisselberg being granted complete immunity from prosecution vs. transactional or use immunity and does that mean anything?

So transactional immunity actually IS complete immunity from prosecution. (I know- it's weird because it makes it sound like it's a "lesser" immunity) Use immunity is possible, but I'm not sure that's likely given how much other stuff is going on right now. (There's not a lot of incentive for Weisselberg to agree to use immunity under the circumstances)

One of the things that has been driving me crazy about the reporting on this is everyone keeps saying he got immunity "In the Cohen case". But the thing is- the Cohen case clearly implicates Trump Org in a wide variety of crimes- so "Cohen case" is sort of a nebulous concept right now. Does that just mean Cohen's part of the SDNY Case? Does that count all of the Trump Org pieces too?

The Trump Foundation case also directly implicates Weisselberg- literally in the indictment. He had his hands in EVERYTHING

It's totally possible that these are all being looked at separately- they're definitely being tried by different jurisdictions at this point. But in Federal plea bargain deals, for example, it's typical to include a cooperation clause that applies to local/state investigations if there are any. So it would actually be really strange for SDNY to grant immunity to this one thing and not be thinking about what's going on with the Manhatten DA and the New York State AG office.

All of this honestly gets into the practical pieces of investigations, which tend to go beyond my academic knowledge of law. But if were to make a stab at what's going on, I would say that there's a larger plea deal Weisselberg is involved in that includes some culpability for him and also a lot of cooperation.

But that's just a guess right now.

[Parkbandit]

So you didn't argue that Clinton was going to be indicted?

No. Not because she wasn't guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.. but because she is a Clinton and they have always been able to do some shady ass shit and get away with it.

And you didn't argue vehemently against the notion that Russia was responsible for meddling in our elections?

No. You keep saying this, even after being corrected time and time and time again... I'm beginning to believe you really do have a learning disability. There is a difference between Russian meddling (Spoiler alert: All countries do it) and President Trump colluding with Russia to fix the election which is the reason Hillary lost.

And you never once argued that Comey's firing wasn't a big deal and was so obviously legal there was no need for an investigation?

Yes. The head of the FBI works at the pleasure of the President and can be terminated at anytime. The reason why there is an investigation now is because of politics, plain and simple. I realize this hurts your world view, but it's the truth.

And you didn't argue that the lawyer in the Trump Tower meeting was "just a lawyer who happened to be Russian"?

No.

And you didn't repeatedly call the Steel Dossier completely fictional and unverified?

It's opposition research... mostly unverified and mostly fictional. Even the author has stated as much.

You didn't claim that the Carter Page FISA warrant was completely based on the Steel Dossier, or that they didn't actually mention it was opposition research?

Cite a source? Don't honestly remember. Fuck, I'll even give this gift to you... let's call it 1-4.

And you didn't repeatedly say that the Muslim bans were ALL legal? (There were three sweetie, and two were struck down by the Courts)

I stated that it's not a surprise that the 9th Circuit Court wrongly stopped the travel bans from some countries... something the SCOTUS later overturned. You were wrong on this, as I pointed out that SCOTUS would overturn it. 1-5

Let me help you out- You argued ALL of that. And so much more. You laughed and jeered at those of us who pointed out what was really going on. You called outlets like Washington Post, CNN, and The New York Times "fake news" for the stories they broke on these 18 subjects (and more)- which all ended up being true.

You and I have disagreed on every single one of these 18 topics and more. And I was right about all of them. So in order for your revisionist history trick to be right- we'd all have to believe that you and I have been in agreement on these subjects. And, well, THAT'S some fake news.

Sometimes laughing at you and stating that you are indeed a fucking dumb cunt isn't arguing against anything. It's literally stating a fact.

And let's be really clear on this- I've had hundreds upon hundreds of political posts over the last two years on virtually every subject that has come up. The only things you were able to come up with were the election (totally correct...also 2 years ago), 1 out of 3 Muslim Bans (you were wrong on the other two), and your fake claim that there was no collusion between Trump and Russia- which isn't a fact no matter how you slice it. That's just you repeating some silly talking point.

Wait.. you are taking credit for the 9th circuit court decisions that were overturned? I literally stated that if they go to the SCOTUS, they would NOT be upheld. Sorry.. I don't give partial credit for really stupid responses. STill 1-5

So if that's all you could come up with, and you and I haven't been on the same side of any of these discussions- then honey, you have been nothing but wrong for 2 straight years.

In your head.. you probably really believe this. Reality has been a harsh mistress to you and when you actually wake up, you'll realize you're still 1-5 (and that 1 is me giving it to you)

[Parkbandit]

From what I recall Parkbandit didn't say Hillary was going to be indicted, not because he thought she was innocent, but because people like her always get away with this shit.

The only person I can remember saying Hillary was going to be indicted was your new boy toy Androidpk.

Shhhhh! Don't bring facts into this! She's 18-0 in her head!!

[Androidpk]

He still thinks this is a vast left wing conspiracy..

[Fortybox]

No. Not because she wasn't guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.. but because she is a Clinton and they have always been able to do some shady ass shit and get away with it.



No. You keep saying this, even after being corrected time and time and time again... I'm beginning to believe you really do have a learning disability. There is a difference between Russian meddling (Spoiler alert: All countries do it) and President Trump colluding with Russia to fix the election which is the reason Hillary lost.



Yes. The head of the FBI works at the pleasure of the President and can be terminated at anytime. The reason why there is an investigation now is because of politics, plain and simple. I realize this hurts your world view, but it's the truth.



No.



It's opposition research... mostly unverified and mostly fictional. Even the author has stated as much.



Cite a source? Don't honestly remember. Fuck, I'll even give this gift to you... let's call it 1-4.



I stated that it's not a surprise that the 9th Circuit Court wrongly stopped the travel bans from some countries... something the SCOTUS later overturned. You were wrong on this, as I pointed out that SCOTUS would overturn it. 1-5



Sometimes laughing at you and stating that you are indeed a fucking dumb cunt isn't arguing against anything. It's literally stating a fact.



Wait.. you are taking credit for the 9th circuit court decisions that were overturned? I literally stated that if they go to the SCOTUS, they would NOT be upheld. Sorry.. I don't give partial credit for really stupid responses. STill 1-5



In your head.. you probably really believe this. Reality has been a harsh mistress to you and when you actually wake up, you'll realize you're still 1-5 (and that 1 is me giving it to you)

Brah...you’re spending WAY too much responding to her. Waste of time but entertaining nonetheless.

[Androidpk]

Andrew Miller has been granted immunity by the feds in exchange for his cooperation. This is the guy that Mueller has been trying to get in front of a grand jury but he's been fighting it. Credico's due to appear in front of the grand jury two weeks from now too.

[cwolff]

Andrew Miller has been granted immunity by the feds in exchange for his cooperation. This is the guy that Mueller has been trying to get in front of a grand jury but he's been fighting it. Credico's due to appear in front of the grand jury two weeks from now too.

For real? I just saw a thing about him today saying what libertarian he is and he was going to fight it all the to the Supreme Court. Apparently Roger Stone doesn't know his buddy as well as he thought.

[Androidpk]

For real? I just saw a thing about him today saying what libertarian he is and he was going to fight it all the to the Supreme Court. Apparently Roger Stone doesn't know his buddy as well as he thought.

Stone was just saying earlier that Miller would never talk to the feds

[cwolff]

Stone was just saying earlier that Miller would never talk to the feds

Saw this floating around today too:

Rep. Ted Lieu says the reason President Trump would want to pardon Paul Manafort "is because he doesn’t want Paul Manafort to flip on him and give information to the government -- that would also be obstruction of justice."


Short of a full and open accounting about his actions it will be very difficult for trump to prove that he didn't obstruct justice if those charges are brought. For one thing, we've seen him tamper with witnesses going back to Sally Yates and we've seen him bitch out his AG for not killing the investigation into Russian interference.

[Fortybox]

Saw this floating around today too:

Rep. Ted Lieu says the reason President Trump would want to pardon Paul Manafort "is because he doesn’t want Paul Manafort to flip on him and give information to the government -- that would also be obstruction of justice."


Short of a full and open accounting about his actions it will be very difficult for trump to prove that he didn't obstruct justice if those charges are brought. For one thing, we've seen him tamper with witnesses going back to Sally Yates and we've seen him bitch out his AG for not killing the investigation into Russian interference.

Isn't going to happen. Next topic: soybeans for soywolf