He NEEDS to just stop talking.Originally Posted by cwolff
He has utterly destroyed his credibility. Cooper and Toobin are both laughing at him with good reason.
He's also on here pretending like he didn't say things he clearly said.
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He NEEDS to just stop talking.
He has utterly destroyed his credibility. Cooper and Toobin are both laughing at him with good reason.
He's also on here pretending like he didn't say things he clearly said.
Black Mamba
The same goes for Rudy.
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Indeed. I don't get it. Maybe it's the intoxication of being close to power that is driving these guys off the deep end. Their careers were made, their legacies set and at the end of their time in the public eye they will leave a trail of head scratching quotes for posterity. Dershowitz was ranting like a crazy old man. And I understand his friend on Martha's Vineyard won't sit with him at dinner anymore. LOL
OMG! This Democrat who puts the constitution and law above partisan politics needs to shut up!
That really does sum up your entire world view doesn't it.
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<YAWN> More blathering from the trolls
Black Mamba
They're making the mistake of trusting what Donald tells them.
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Let's get this part of the talking points figured out. I think that we all have agreed at one time or another that there was collusion. Is that the case or are some still saying, "No collusion"?
You continue to say this.. with no evidence or anything of the like. Even the Mueller team has indicated that there is no evidence.. but that doesn't stop you! You just continue to hope and pray there IS collusion, so you wouldn't look like the biggest idiot falling for the biggest scam.
But you've always been the biggest idiot
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Jesus Christ your self awareness has reached a new low, which I honestly thought was no longer possible.
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I saw this on Seth Abramsons twitter feed today. It's some good background to remember where we are and what can happen. In January trump was riding high in part because he was so sure Manafort would never "flip" on him.
A few weeks ago he was discussing pardons for Manafort:WASHINGTON — Donald Trump is telling friends and aides in private that things are going great — for him.
Some reasons: He's decided that a key witness in the Russia probe, Paul Manafort, isn't going to "flip" and sell him out, friends and aides say. He believes Robert Mueller, who heads the investigation, can be crushed, if necessary, without being fired. Sweeping tax and regulatory cuts will juice the economy and get him re-elected in 2020, he is predicting. He thinks he's learned how to handle the dysfunction of Congress. And he's even come to like the White House, the bad plumbing and drafty halls notwithstanding. "I love this place!" he told one friend.
…[and later in the article]
Instead, as is now becoming plain, the Trump strategy is to discredit the investigation and the FBI without officially removing the leadership. Trump is even talking to friends about the possibility of asking Attorney General Jeff Sessions to consider prosecuting Mueller and his team.
"Here's how it would work: 'We're sorry, Mr. Mueller, you won't be able to run the federal grand jury today because he has to go testify to another federal grand jury,'" said one Trump adviser.
The point Abramson is making is that trump is scared shitless Manafort could "flip" on him. We are also seeing approval of Muellers investigation has gone up by about 11 points in polling this Summer so trumps strategies aren't working out and there's no telling what he's going to do.By Carol D. Leonnig
August 23rd at 2:03 PM
President Trump asked his lawyers for their advice on the possibility of pardoning his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort several weeks ago, his lawyer said Thursday.
The subject of pardoning Manafort came up while he was on trial for multiple counts of bank fraud and tax evasion and the president was expressing his anger at how federal prosecutors had “beat up” and mistreated Manafort, Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani said in an interview.
The January article ends with this tidbit from a friend of trumps who was interviewed: "You have to understand that you are dealing with a guy whose most fundamental, minute-by-minute fear in life is of boredom," said a friend. "He's decided that the presidency is the best way in the world not to be bored."
EDIT: And as Sam Stein points out- Let’s just cut through the bullshit here. Rudy has just told Manafort he’s getting a pardon when the Mueller investigation is done. That’s nutty
EDIT2: Mueller seems to have anticipated this and put one of his guys on researching the pardon power of the President. We will see who can win this legal argument if/when trump pardons Mueller, but until then we're left to wonder if trump just shot himself in the foot by telegraphing his intention to pardon Manafort pending the outcome of Muellers investigation.
From Bloomberg Oct. 2017
Mueller’s all-star team of prosecutors, with expertise in money laundering and foreign bribery, has an answer to that. He’s Michael Dreeben, a bookish career government lawyer with more than 100 Supreme Court appearances under his belt.
Acting as Mueller’s top legal counsel, Dreeben has been researching past pardons and determining what, if any, limits exist, according to a person familiar with the matter. Dreeben’s broader brief is to make sure the special counsel’s prosecutorial moves are legally airtight. That could include anything from strategizing on novel interpretations of criminal law to making sure the recent search warrant on ex-campaign adviser Paul Manafort’s home would stand up to an appeal.
Last edited by cwolff; 08-23-2018 at 05:24 PM.
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