Things that made you frown today (Political Version)

[RichardCranium]

Aren't you a veteran? How do you not know that suppressors don't work like movie silencers?

I've started to respond to a few of his opinions this morning but it just isn't worth it. I'm honestly starting to believe that it's just a time4fun alt.

[cwolff]

I was about to address this, but I think you're too set into your ignorance for it to matter. Suppressors are already easy to get, have been for a long time. Calling a suppressor a silencer is pure ignorance. The discharge still makes a very loud noise, as the bullet is still breaking the sound barrier. The suppressor doesn't muffle that in any way. The only way to prevent that is to have a subsonic round, which means you are damn near stabbing distance anyways.

I keep forgetting you are a massive fearmonger and blow everything out of proportions.

Aren't you a veteran? How do you not know that suppressors don't work like movie silencers?

I've started to respond to a few of his opinions this morning but it just isn't worth it. I'm honestly starting to believe that it's just a time4fun alt.

You guys act so confident but don't know shit. Believe me, I've had this talk for 30+ years about silencing weapons, how to make your own, how to buy them, how effective they are etc... That doesn't change the fact that they're called silencers. They can also be called suppressors and that's become the popular word by people who are trying to sell them, but the two words are at best interchangeable.


That is unless you're dealing with federal regs and licensing with places like the ATF. In that case the proper word is silencer or muffler even, but not suppressor.


Firearms Verification
Gun Control Act Definitions
Silencer
18 U.S.C., § 921(A)(24)
The term “Firearm Silencer” or “Firearm Muffler” means any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for the use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.

This link even has a nice picture of a silencer. How the fuck do none of you know this?

[Gelston]

You guys act so confident but don't know shit. Believe me, I've had this talk for 30+ years about silencing weapons, how to make your own, how to buy them, how effective they are etc... That doesn't change the fact that they're called silencers. They can also be called suppressors and that's become the popular word by people who are trying to sell them, but the two words are at best interchangeable.


That is unless you're dealing with federal regs and licensing with places like the ATF. In that case the proper word is silencer or muffler even, but not suppressor.


Firearms Verification
Gun Control Act Definitions
Silencer
18 U.S.C., § 921(A)(24)
The term “Firearm Silencer” or “Firearm Muffler” means any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for the use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.

This link even has a nice picture of a silencer. How the fuck do none of you know this?

Fine, they are also called silencers. Do you have any other point other than their name? Are you scared of the name? Do you still think they actually make weapons silent? What about all these cops that are getting assassinated by suppressed weapons?

[Taernath]

You guys act so confident but don't know shit. Believe me, I've had this talk for 30+ years about silencing weapons, how to make your own, how to buy them, how effective they are etc... That doesn't change the fact that they're called silencers. They can also be called suppressors and that's become the popular word by people who are trying to sell them, but the two words are at best interchangeable.

So your entire rebuttal to what we're saying is focused on terminology and not actual function? If you want to go around calling magazines "clips", semi-auto rifles "assault rifles", or a barrel shroud a "shoulder thing that goes up", go ahead, you just come off as someone who's incredibly ignorant about guns.

[cwolff]

Check this out. This article by the ATF uses the term silencer 16 times on this webpage and the term suppressor 0 times.

Eight Men Indicted for Manufacturing and Dealing AR-15 Type Rifles and Silencers Without a License
Scores of Unmarked Assault Rifles and Silencers Seized

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A federal grand jury returned a 70-count indictment today against eight men, charging them with various firearms offenses involving manufacturing and dealing firearms without a license, United States Attorney Benjamin B. Wagner and ATF Special Agent in Charge Jill A. Snyder announced.

Joseph Latu, 29, of Elk Grove, is charged with conspiracy to deal firearms without a license, dealing firearms without a license, conspiracy to manufacture and deal firearms without a license, possession of an unregistered short-barreled rifle, possession of an unregistered silencer, possession of an unserialized firearm.

Algernon Tamasoa, 27, of Sacramento, is charged with conspiracy to deal firearms without a license, dealing firearms without a license, possession of an unserialized firearm, and distribution of MDMA.

John Ortiz, 43, of Vallejo, and Keith White, 40, of Vallejo, are charged with conspiracy to deal firearms without a license, dealing firearms without a license, and possession of an unserialized firearm.

Charles Tucker, 29, of Stockton, and Ionel Pascan, 28, of Riverbank, are charged with dealing firearms without a license, conspiracy to manufacture and deal firearms without a license, possession of an unregistered short-barreled rifle, possession of an unregistered silencer, and possession of an unserialized firearm.

Daniel Bennett, 39, of Stockton, and David Bennett, 27, of Stockton, are charged with conspiracy to manufacture and deal firearms without a license.

According to court documents, between February 6 and September 28, 2015, on 24 occasions, the defendants, either individually or together, met with an undercover ATF agent and sold him a variety of firearms, including rifles, AR-15 type rifles, AR-15 type short-barreled rifles, revolvers, pistols, and silencers. In all, the sales involved 67 firearms and 38 silencers. Additionally, 71 firearms and 62 silencers were recovered during the arrest of certain defendants and ensuing execution of search warrants. In total, 238 firearms and silencers were recovered. Many of the firearms did not have a serial number or other identification markings and were manufactured from unfinished lower receivers, commonly known as “80 percent” lower receivers or “ghost guns.” None of the silencers had a serial number or other identification marking, as is required for firearms under the law. Further, many of the firearms were short-barreled rifles, which must be registered on the National Firearms Registration and Record. None of the short-barreled rifles sold to the undercover agent were registered to any of the defendants.

[cwolff]

So your entire rebuttal to what we're saying is focused on terminology and not actual function? If you want to go around calling magazines "clips", semi-auto rifles "assault rifles", or a barrel shroud a "shoulder thing that goes up", go ahead, you just come off as someone who's incredibly ignorant about guns.

They're called silencers. They have always been called silencer. Suppressor is a recent term and I'd bet my bottom dollar it's use is in vogue today because of industry jargon.

The bottom line is this: Use either word. Don't be so sanctimonious about it and good luck looking for the ATF Suppressor Application.

[Gelston]

Fine cwolff. You were right. they can be called silencers too. Whoopty doo.

You going to address the stuff we've actually been saying about them other than the name?

[Neveragain]

Check this out. This article by the ATF uses the term silencer 16 times on this webpage and the term suppressor 0 times.

Is that kind of like informant being a synonym for spy?

[Wrathbringer]

They're called silencers. They have always been called silencer. Suppressor is a recent term and I'd bet my bottom dollar it's use is in vogue today because of industry jargon.

The bottom line is this: Use either word. Don't be so sanctimonious about it and good luck looking for the ATF Suppressor Application.

You're retarded.

[Taernath]

Fine cwolff. You were right. they can be called silencers too. Whoopty doo.

You going to address the stuff we've actually been saying about them other than the name?

BUT WHY WOULD THEY BE CALLED SILENCERS IF THEY DON'T MAKE GUNSHOTS SILENT? - cwolff, probably