Russia Investigation Heating Up

[cwolff]

I was mainly talking about average citizens discussing politics, not the politicians themselves. It's really hard to have any discussions about issues anymore because it devolves reeeeeeealllly quick into a shouting match between far left and far right. As far as the party and platform, the sad thing to me (a dirty lib!) is it seems like the Democrats are a party without a platform at this point. There is no leader or singular voice, nobody popular enough on a national scale to get democrats out to the polls in two years. The HRC Project failed twice and they don't really stand for anything anymore. Bernie is old as hell and anything even approaching socialism is a very difficult sale in America. Running on a "We Aren't Trump" message is not going to cut it in 2020.

We're definitely going to have to figure this out. Biden vs. Bernie won't cut it and I'm hard pressed to think of one dem. that's got the charisma to win.

Not too worried about the platform yet. I'm hoping they will plant a flag for Medicare for all, min wage, unions and the dreamers. It feels like playing it safe right now. I get that its tough with the GOP controlled congress, WH and majority conservative supreme court. Its forcing a lot of defense, but I am ready to see some offense.

[audioserf]

By all means, please point out to where I "assumed you were a Republican." I didn't. I said your brand of false equivalency - of the crazy left and the crazy right - is what gives the right cover.

Leftists buy into it, too. Is there a crazy left? Sure. Is there a crazy right? You bet. Except the crazy left is far more marginalized than the crazy right, which has taken over Fox News, and in Trump, the GOP itself.

It read to me like you were assuming I was Republican. My mistake then!

The weird thing about the crazy left is that they haven't established a platform like Fox News has for the right. There's nobody of prominence on the left willing to be at all incendiary and passionate. I feel like the Democrats are in this constant contest to "out decorum" the Republicans and always be the adult in the room. The problem with that is you don't win elections by writing West Wing fan fiction. 2016 proved that the nice guy squad is never going to win a presidential election again. Maybe the left could use a little more crazy.

[audioserf]

We're definitely going to have to figure this out. Biden vs. Bernie won't cut it and I'm hard pressed to think of one dem. that's got the charisma to win.

Not too worried about the platform yet. I'm hoping they will plant a flag for Medicare for all, min wage, unions and the dreamers. It feels like playing it safe right now. I get that its tough with the GOP controlled congress, WH and majority conservative supreme court. Its forcing a lot of defense, but I am ready to see some offense.

Joe Biden is going to be #metoo'd into the shadow realm if he even hints at a run. There's no way a guy with that many lecherous photos with young women hasn't gotten handsy. I don't think he can run. He's damaged goods.

[Parkbandit]

It read to me like you were assuming I was Republican. My mistake then!

The weird thing about the crazy left is that they haven't established a platform like Fox News has for the right. There's nobody of prominence on the left willing to be at all incendiary and passionate. I feel like the Democrats are in this constant contest to "out decorum" the Republicans and always be the adult in the room. The problem with that is you don't win elections by writing West Wing fan fiction. 2016 proved that the nice guy squad is never going to win a presidential election again. Maybe the left could use a little more crazy.

Maybe the left could use a little LESS crazy.

Right now, they are spending all their time on figuring out a provable excuse for losing in 2016 instead of looking to 2020.

Hopefully, they keep looking back and thinking that everyone is just anti-Trump like they are.

[audioserf]

Maybe the less could use a little LESS crazy.

Right now, they are spending all their time on figuring out a provable excuse for losing in 2016 instead of looking to 2020.

Hopefully, they keep looking back and thinking that everyone is just anti-Trump like they are.

It's mainly old guard Dems looking to save face. The Clinton Wing of the party knows their time could be up and are desperately scrambling to deflect responsibility for running an awful campaign for a flawed candidate.

For what it's worth, I believe Russia exerted influence (primarily via manipulation of social media messaging), but I do not believe that influence was the reason Trump won.

[Wrathbringer]

By all means, please point out to where I "assumed you were a Republican." I didn't. I said your brand of false equivalency - of the crazy left and the crazy right - is what gives the right cover.

Leftists buy into it, too. Is there a crazy left? Sure. Is there a crazy right? You bet. Except the crazy left is far more marginalized than the crazy right, which has taken over Fox News, and in Trump, the GOP itself.

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[Wrathbringer]

I seriously think Trump will get a 2nd term if 1.) Mueller doesn’t pull through 2.) Economy doesn’t tank. I’ve spoken with a lot white people and although they don’t really jive on his values, there was always this subtle point they would throw in, “yeah but he’s white like me.” When the economy is doing OK and no major wars are going on shit always reverts back to identity politics without fail.

stfu&gtfo you retarded troll.

[Ashliana]

I really need to seek some professional mental care. I have difficulties keeping all my stories "straight".

LOL. I see what you did there.

And really, you can continue to use this forum as your online psychologist. I'll do my part in trying to figure out what is wrong with you... but that really is a gigantic job.

You are the embodiment of cringe. Kudos, though, on working some bigotry in there. Who would've expected that of an septuagenarian reactionary?

[cwolff]

It read to me like you were assuming I was Republican. My mistake then!

The weird thing about the crazy left is that they haven't established a platform like Fox News has for the right. There's nobody of prominence on the left willing to be at all incendiary and passionate. I feel like the Democrats are in this constant contest to "out decorum" the Republicans and always be the adult in the room. The problem with that is you don't win elections by writing West Wing fan fiction. 2016 proved that the nice guy squad is never going to win a presidential election again. Maybe the left could use a little more crazy.

It's mainly old guard Dems looking to save face. The Clinton Wing of the party knows their time could be up and are desperately scrambling to deflect responsibility for running an awful campaign for a flawed candidate.

For what it's worth, I believe Russia exerted influence (primarily via manipulation of social media messaging), but I do not believe that influence was the reason Trump won.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bos...gkTXL/amp.html

The study from researchers at Ohio State University finds that fake news likely played a significant role in depressing Hillary Clinton’s support on Election Day 2016. The study, which has not been peer reviewed but which may be the first look at how fake news impacted voter choices, suggests that roughly 4 percent of Barack Obama’s 2012 supporters were dissuaded from voting for Clinton in 2016 by belief in fake news stories.

We're learning abkut this as we get further from the election, and the trend is that the information warfare so help him win. The trend is also that trump and his people had much more contact with Russians than they admit. There are missing links to absolutely proving corruption, but the only information we get is worse, not better for the "no collusion" theory.

Edit: I do like that the left has no alex Jones, fox news, rush Limbaugh types with any success. It gives me hope for the country.

[Ashliana]

I seriously think Trump will get a 2nd term if 1.) Mueller doesn’t pull through 2.) Economy doesn’t tank. I’ve spoken with a lot white people and although they don’t really jive on his values, there was always this subtle point they would throw in, “yeah but he’s white like me.” When the economy is doing OK and no major wars are going on shit always reverts back to identity politics without fail.

stfu>fo you retarded troll.

Oh, Wrathbringer. What's that dripping from your lips? Oh! It's: