Muslim kid tries to blow up school, Obama invites him to White House

[Tgo01]

not specifically the PD or the school, but the Mayor of Irving, Texas happens to stoke the flames a bit on that front:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckrak...n-duyne-sharia

Stoke the flames by vowing to never allow Sharia law to trump state or local city laws? The bitch!

Does that influence attitudes one way or the other in this situation? Couldn't tell you.

I can tell you. The answer is no.

The majority of Americans don't agree with just about everything the president of the US does. If he said the sky was blue there are a fair number of people who would argue the sky is purple. Yet you think a school teacher and the police department are going to be swayed by what the mayor of city says? Shit.

Except he didn't whip this out to cause a panic. He took it to school to show his engineering teacher.

Well gosh! As long as he says so then case closed! Hear that everyone? Kembal here has a way to save billions of dollars on lawyers, courts, judges, and court houses, we just take the person's word for it!!!

Kid didn't show it to anyone else, but the alarm accidentally went off in his English class and irritated his English teacher, so he showed it to her after class was over, and then that started the whole chain of events.

So the kid "invented" a clock with an alarm and didn't even think to turn the alarm off during school? Gee, I can't imagine why the teacher was worried that something with a time on it, inside of something that looks like a briefcase, with a bunch of wires in it, then made an alarm noise during class, thought that maybe he made something that looked like a bomb.

So he wasn't intending to cause a panic (had he shown it to others, you could argue that). Again, what's the reason for the arrest?

So your "proof" that he wasn't intending to cause panic is the fact that he never intended to show it to any other teachers, yet he carried it around with him all day and it just so happened to "go off" during class, and that was all by accident?

I"m telling ya, Kembal, you just found the way to save us billions of dollars in the justice system! Take the person's word for it! Kembal for president!

I think your specific example is nonsensical

Of course you do because you know I'm 100% right. Why bother arguing against something when it's easier to just dismiss it as being "nonsensical."

but if a white kid did the exact same thing as this kid did and got arrested, I'd get pissed off about it too.

Interesting. What would your outrage be? Can't use "racist", or "Islamaphobic."? Just curious what your angle would be.

That's how we kill science and engineering education in this country, because we arrest kids who like tinkering with stuff.

That's an interesting way of looking at things. I guess going back to my gun clock scenario we could say "That's how we kill people believing in the bill of rights, because we arrest people for bringing a replica of a gun to school."

That actually has something that looks like an explosive brick, genius.

Where exactly, genius?

[Kembal]

Stoke the flames by vowing to never allow Sharia law to trump state or local city laws? The bitch!



I can tell you. The answer is no.

The majority of Americans don't agree with just about everything the president of the US does. If he said the sky was blue there are a fair number of people who would argue the sky is purple. Yet you think a school teacher and the police department are going to be swayed by what the mayor of city says? Shit.

Wait, did you just argue that the police department of a city is not swayed by what a mayor says? Do you view police departments to be entirely autonomous and not reporting to the Mayor at all?

Well gosh! As long as he says so then case closed! Hear that everyone? Kembal here has a way to save billions of dollars on lawyers, courts, judges, and court houses, we just take the person's word for it!!!

Notably, the police department has not disputed this series of facts at all. So it's not just his word for it.

So the kid "invented" a clock with an alarm and didn't even think to turn the alarm off during school? Gee, I can't imagine why the teacher was worried that something with a time on it, inside of something that looks like a briefcase, with a bunch of wires in it, then made an alarm noise during class, thought that maybe he made something that looked like a bomb.

Ever hear of absentmindedness?

So your "proof" that he wasn't intending to cause panic is the fact that he never intended to show it to any other teachers, yet he carried it around with him all day and it just so happened to "go off" during class, and that was all by accident?

Stop twisting words. In this case, he not only didn't intend to show it to any other teachers, he didn't show it to any other teachers until the alarm went off.

If he wanted to cause a panic, he didn't need the alarm to go off. He could've just showed it off in any class and scared not just the teacher, but everyone else in the class as well. Therefore, by Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation is the alarm went off by accident.

Of course you do because you know I'm 100% right. Why bother arguing against something when it's easier to just dismiss it as being "nonsensical."

Ok. How precisely would you hollow out a gun to make a clock?

Interesting. What would your outrage be? Can't use "racist", or "Islamaphobic."? Just curious what your angle would be.

I think the criminalization of dumb things done by kids simply not thinking things though (when it doesn't cause any actual harm to anyone else) needs to stop. It's very prevalent in Texas. (middle school kids have been arrested here for writing on a wall with a marker that can be washed off. And yes, they were white.)

That's an interesting way of looking at things. I guess going back to my gun clock scenario we could say "That's how we kill people believing in the bill of rights, because we arrest people for bringing a replica of a gun to school."

Could you at least come up with a better example involving a gun replica before we continue this line of debate? I'll even accept a pop-tart being chewed into a shape of a gun. (which, yes, has happened, and yes, the school entirely overreacted.)

Where exactly, genius?

The black bricks on the left side, which I guess are the batteries you referred to in your previous post.

[GS4Pirate]

I'd still defend the kid if my son was at that school.

So as a parent you would think "hey son, that's a great idea, bring that suitcase clock to school"?

Parent of the year award.

[Astray]

So as a parent you would think "hey son, that's a great idea, bring that suitcase clock to school"?

Parent of the year award.

Right? Whatever happened to the Potato, man?

[Tgo01]

Wait, did you just argue that the police department of a city is not swayed by what a mayor says? Do you view police departments to be entirely autonomous and not reporting to the Mayor at all?

Do I think police officers are going to be "swayed" to view all Muslims as terrorists because the mayor said she doesn't want Sharia law in her town?

No, no I don't think police officers are going to be swayed in such a scenario.

Notably, the police department has not disputed this series of facts at all. So it's not just his word for it.

They haven't supposedly disputed anything because they dropped the charges. Not necessarily because they think they were wrong or don't have a case, but because this has obviously turned into a world wide media circus and they don't want the attention.

Ever hear of absentmindedness?

Ever hear of people doing shit on purpose?

Stop twisting words. In this case, he not only didn't intend to show it to any other teachers, he didn't show it to any other teachers until the alarm went off.

Not twisting words at all. The only one twisting anything is you twisting logic. "He didn't intend to show any teachers therefore it proves he didn't want to cause a panic! LOL!" You have literally made logic ashamed. He is hanging his head in dishonor.

If he wanted to cause a panic, he didn't need the alarm to go off. He could've just showed it off in any class and scared not just the teacher, but everyone else in the class as well. Therefore, by Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation is the alarm went off by accident.

You can't even attempt to be serious. Fucking Occam's Razor proves the alarm went off by accident?

Occam's Razor suggests the theory with the fewest assumptions is the one that should be considered.

So let's look at the theories the alarm might have went off:

The kid for some reason built a clock (NOT AN ALARM CLOCK) with an alarm, turned the alarm on by "accident", kept the clock turned on with him all day at school (even though he didn't intend to show it to anyone else), and the alarm just happened to go off during one of his classes.

The other theory:

The kid did it on purpose.

Hmm...........Yup, you got me. Occam's Razor proves you are correct.

Ok. How precisely would you hollow out a gun to make a clock?

I have no idea, I'm not the engineering genius this kid is apparently.

The black bricks on the left side, which I guess are the batteries you referred to in your previous post.

Yes, the batteries. Thank you for proving that even a self avowed bomb expert such as yourself cannot correctly identify all of the parts of a bomb.

[Parkbandit]

So as a parent you would think "hey son, that's a great idea, bring that suitcase clock to school"?

Parent of the year award.

In his defense, he doesn't have much contact with his kid(s), so it's not really fair.

[Androidpk]

In his defense, he doesn't have much contact with his kid(s), so it's not really fair.

I don't??

[drauz]

Not twisting words at all. The only one twisting anything is you twisting logic. "He didn't intend to show any teachers therefore it proves he didn't want to cause a panic! LOL!" You have literally made logic ashamed. He is hanging his head in dishonor.

If he didn't intend to show anyone other than his shop teacher then how is he intending to cause panic?

[Warriorbird]

[Tgo01]

If he didn't intend to show anyone other than his shop teacher then how is he intending to cause panic?

We need to get this kid a grant with unlimited funding if he can invent a device that allows me to slap people through the internet.

Yes, if he didn't intend to show anyone the clock and he didn't intend for the clock to go off in the middle of class then I absolutely agree he didn't intend to cause panic.

However, and this part is important so I'm going to scream it to make sure you read/hear it, THAT'S WHAT THE KID CLAIMED HAPPENED.

Here's a shocker for everyone (and no not the 3 fingered kind), people sometimes lie in order to not get in trouble.

I know. It's amazing. I was shocked the first time I learned about this a couple of months ago. I had lived my entire life up until that point assuming people always told the truth when they were facing disciplinary action.