More Obamacare fuckups

[Warriorbird]

"This" congress? Refresh my memory, how many Republicans voted for the current version of Obamacare?

Are you going to be daft about this again? Yes of course you are. It's what you do. None. It's why Obama's year of abasement to people who weren't ever going to support him was so stupid.

[Tgo01]

Obama was so stupid.

Agreed. Finally we agree on something.

[ClydeR]

This isn't what I was told. I had 2 basal cells removed in November of last year and 3 different insurance companies told me that it would be less expensive if I waited until August 2015 to contact them for a quote.

The myth of the Affordable Care Act eliminating pre-existing conditions and making healthcare more affordable is just that: a myth.

I can't imagine what is supposed to happen in August.

Regardless of whether a plan is sold on an exchange or outside of an exchange, the plan cannot exclude or charge more for pre-existing conditions if the plan is purchased during an open enrollment period. If you have a significant life changing event, such as getting married or losing employer provided coverage, then you can buy a plan on an exchange outside of the open enrollment period. Because of adverse selection issues, getting sick is not one of the events that qualifies you to purchase insurance through an exchange outside of an open enrollment period.

You can probably buy a plan directly from an insurance company outside of the open enrollment period, but you're not likely to find a plan that does not either exclude or charge more for pre-existing conditions.

The next open enrollment starts on November 1. Policies purchased between November 1 and the end of the year will be effective on January 1, 2016.

[ClydeR]

We have an important Supreme Court ruling coming up very soon, probably on Friday. If the court strikes down the subsidies, then health insurance will be a big issue in the 2016 election. If the court does not strike down the subsidies, then it won't. Although the candidates would never admit it, the Democrat candidates are secretly hoping that the court strikes down the subsidies, and the Republican candidates are secretly hoping that the court upholds the subsidies.

[Wrathbringer]

Are you going to be daft about this again? Yes of course you are. It's what you do. None. It's why Obama's year of abasement to constitutional law was so stupid.

Fixed. Fascist.

[Kembal]

Are you going to be daft about this again? Yes of course you are. It's what you do. None. It's why Obama's year of abasement to people who weren't ever going to support him was so stupid.

I don't think all 60 Dem Senators at the time would've voted for single-payer either. Certainly not Kent Conrad or Ben Nelson. If we couldn't even get a public option, single payer wasn't going anywhere.

[Kembal]

You seem to think cheaper == affordable.

You're also assuming things are actually cheaper than before for everyone.

You are on drugs.



A) How do you know?
B) So that means we just settle for this shit stain we got instead?



Well I can't argue with this awesome debating tactic.



Forcing someone to buy health insurance == they can reasonably afford the health insurance? Are you even reading your own posts before clicking the "Submit Reply" button?



SIGH.



I love how your argument has shifted from "The ACA has made healthcare affordable" to "The ACA has made healthcare afford for MANY people" and you are saying I am bad at this. Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.



Cheaper != affordable! For fuck's sake.

Just to make sure we're all on the same page in regards to what affordable means:

1) to manage to bear without serious detriment
2) to be able to bear the cost of

You've been suckered by the fucking Democrats into believing that Obamacare will mean no one will ever have to file for bankruptcy again due to medical expenses. WRONG!

You've been suckered by the Democrats into thinking that forcing someone to buy health insurance means they will be able to meet all of their healthcare obligations financially. WRONG!



Look you toolbag, I understand perfectly why they forced young and healthy people to buy insurance. I just think you are the world's biggest joke for telling these people that healthcare is now "affordable" to them when they did not even need or necessarily want health insurance to begin with.

Kembal: Hey Mr. 23 Year Old, how much are you paying in premiums right now?
23 Year old: Nothing.
Kembal: Well HEY! I'm forcing you to pay X amount of dollars per month! BAM! It is now affordable for you.

That is literally what you are saying and you have the nerve to say I look stupid.



That's great, what you provided deals with total federal spending/deficits, not federal healthcare spending.

Don't worry, I didn't expect you to say "Oh shit, my bad! I was wrong." I fully expected you to turn this around on me.

Alright, you want single payer. Nothing else suffices. Again, are you going to vote for Bernie Sanders? Because no other candidate, Republican or Democrat, is going to push for it.

[Warriorbird]

I don't think all 60 Dem Senators at the time would've voted for single-payer either. Certainly not Kent Conrad or Ben Nelson. If we couldn't even get a public option, single payer wasn't going anywhere.

Yep. It wouldn't have happened without a Frank Underwood (or his inspiration, Lyndon Johnson.) It makes Tgo01's line on this all the more ridiculous.

Alright, you want single payer. Nothing else suffices. Again, are you going to vote for Bernie Sanders? Because no other candidate, Republican or Democrat, is going to push for it.

I expect he won't vote again. I hope he keeps it up.

[Tgo01]

Yep. It wouldn't have happened without a Frank Underwood (or his inspiration, Lyndon Johnson.) It makes Tgo01's line on this all the more ridiculous.

How am I being ridiculous?

You and Kembal are in the "Well Obamacare if better than nothing!" camp.

I'm in the "Obamacare is worse than nothing" camp.

Why is your camp better than my camp?

I bet your camp doesn't even have bugjuice.

[Warriorbird]

How am I being ridiculous?

You and Kembal are in the "Well Obamacare if better than nothing!" camp.

I'm in the "Obamacare is worse than nothing" camp.

Why is your camp better than my camp?

I bet your camp doesn't even have bugjuice.

You both A. Want Bernie Sanders level socialism while whining about anything that helps anyone and B. Buy into the childish conceit that Obama raised rates rather than insurance companies. It is the idiotic equivalant of people who declare that Obama is responsible for high ammo prices and not firearms manufacturers.

Truly staggering.